So we have Mario 3D All Stars two weeks from Friday. Then a month later we get Pikmin 3. And of course, Super Mario 3D World in February, just before Valentine’s Day.
So we’re set through the end of next month. But then we have November, December and January. Basically from Halloween to Valentines Day, nothing scheduled. And that is what I’m curious about. Will Bravely Default 2 or Pokemon Snap squeeze in there? Maybe Pokemon Snap for November, Bravely Default for December, nothing in January, and then 3D World in February? Perhaps.
At least we’re covered for another month and a half, at the very least.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced
That’s about it. All the rest have either been ported, gotten sequels which are better versions of the originals, or relied on unique game pad features that wouldn’t work as well on Switch (Kirby Rainbow Curse, although I suppose they could release it as a handheld only game, or, perhaps add gyro for docked play, and Nintendoland, which required dual screen use), or just aren’t very good or worth being ported in the first place.
And I think Xenoblade X is a lock for either 2021 or 2022. The question is, will we see Yoshi’s Wooly World?
There’s also the Zelda games (Windwaker, Twilight Princess) but I don’t consider those Wii U games. They’re GC games. And there’s Star Fox Guard and Zero, but yet again, both of those required dual screen play. So we really are down to the last two games, unless you count the Zeldas in which case there’s 4.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced
As for now, Nintendo will have released no completely new games from July (Origami King) to February (if you count Bowser's Fury). They either have something massive planned next year, were massively hindered by COVID, or something else. But does anyone else feel a little shortchanged by the fact that in what should be the peak of the Switch's lifespan, for the console they're putting all their resources into, we're getting nothing but ports for the forseeable future? Like @rjejr said, I bought the Switch to play new games. Nintendo knows how to balance the ports and new games - after all, they did it in 2017 and 2019 - I expected them to keep up the momentum, but I'm getting flashbacks to the late Wii U days (a console which, at this point, even had N64 and GBA games!) since I'm getting the impression Nintendo is treating the Switch like a system on its way out, not as a platform which is extremely successful and has years ahead of it. Why else would they, after three years, fail to expand the availability of retro games, not add themes or folders, make My Nintendo into a service with meaningful rewards, and make us pay for Online without making it a better, more worthwhile experience. I just don't know.
Sorry for the long post. I just have a lot of thoughts I've been bottling up.
"You feel it? Fawful is also feeling it! I am needing to feel it even more, though!" - The magnificent Fawful
@ianl579
They’re not treating it like a system on the way out, they just have different priorities based on feedback from previous generations. Our versions of folders is the sort option. And there’s no room on the screen for themes to really make any difference anyways. The retro game availability has been expanded- I remember when it was only 20 NES games. They just added DKC, just added Mario All Stars, and are adding the Mario 35th game. The rewards for My Nintendo are as meaningful as they can be- 5% cash back. That’s far better than getting a poster once a year. Making us pay for online is a separate discussion entirely.
Now. With that said, there’s no doubt that this year hasn’t been as strong as we would have liked. I agree with you there. But there’s a lot of reasons that are likely to explain that. For one, C19. And while this years releases don’t seem to be impacted, The rumor is next years games have been impacted, specifically, next years Q3 and Q4 games. As a result, some of this year shifted into next year (3D World), so the early next year can shift into the holidays and take the place of those delayed games. There’s also the fact we have a new Switch on the way, probably in March. That’s not some thing you do if you’re treating a console like it’s on the way out.
We’ve got a good 3-4 years left in the lifespan of this system. And judging by how good the first three years were, we’ve got tons to look forward to. And with Wii U ports essentially run dry, at the very least you can feel rest assured you won’t be getting any more of those. Maybe some GC and Wii ports, but either way, I’m game. Good games are good games.
Lastly, it’s not just ports for the for seeable future. We still have Pokemon Snap, which very well could still come this year. We still have Bravely Default 2, No More Heroes 3, Shin Megami Tensei V, and beyond that, Metroid Prime 4, Bayonetta 3, Zelda Breath of the Wild 2, the all-but-confirmed exclusive Monster Hunter... they’re just leaning into the ports a bit more right now due to this whole Covid mess. Nothing to fret about. Next year is a new year. It will likely still be impacted but thanks to shifting the schedule down will still have a full year. And, they might finally unleash Metroid Prime Trilogy to fill a slot next year. Ya never know.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced
@JaxonH That's what I'm hoping for - Nintendo to really take full advantage of the system. I guess that's just happening (like with a Switch Pro) next year instead of this year like I expected. And if all the games you listed come out next year (one can dream for MP4), it'll be another great year for Switch.
"You feel it? Fawful is also feeling it! I am needing to feel it even more, though!" - The magnificent Fawful
@ianl579 I feel that same way as you currently. Maybe it doesn't feel like WiiU exactly, or, shudder late Wii, but it feels like the last 2 years of ps4 which have been dismal and felt like an abandoned console after that said 2 years ago they were moving into ps5 and even GameStop had to explain to investors that the early abandonment of psxb was impacting their earnings negatively.
What Jax said makes sense to a point, but while switch was my favorite console of all time, this stall has made that hype go dormant. I'm also worried about what the new hardware model will represent. If it's just a refresh with some improvements like usual, great, but if they're gearing up for a "switch 1x" half generation where they'll target it heavily for future games and treat old switch and lite like entry models, it's going to be rocky.
The way i see it is one of two things is going on. Theyre either going to try the half gen thing (technically switch is already a half gen into itself) and theyre holding all the new games for it, or they've truly entered the modern 2k/ea/acti business model and realize offering few games as services and stringing them along with "updates" minimized expenses and maximizes costumer spend. They've become very clever with releasing few games, and ensuring everyone buys it before moving into the next game, and the games are becoming designed around long term social influence. I don't know if that's luck or intent, but nintendos not stupid with money.
We have more wiiu games than switch games from Nintendo at this point. Now they're selling n64/gc collections instead of vc. And all we got new is Paper Mario: Not Shiggys Fault and Mineimal Crafting. The rest is ports and third party. Atlus heals all wounds, but this is kinda barren. Not that I'm complaining, more money for XSeX or ps5. That will be spent before NEW Switch.....
@rallydefault I tried avoiding leaks. It's literally impossible. At one point I avoided all gaming sites. Within hours of a big leak, every time, someone had posted it on some completely unrelated forum, or on twitter, or a friend told me IRL. Literally, the only way to avoid leaks is to cut off all human contact with anyone who plays video games, cause people spam them to high heaven.
Doing what I used to do on here a lot more. A graph of Mario and Zelda games by console (proportion and number). Wii U is still king but the Switch has made up a LOT of ground on Mario. It is however well behind on Zelda. Twilight Princess, Wind Waker and Skyward Sword ports would be very easy wins here but there's also the DS titles, Minish Cap, OoT, Majora's Mask and A Link Between Worlds missing.
For Mario Switch is still missing Land, Land 2, New SMB, 3D Land, New SMB2, Galaxy 2, New SMB Wii and Maker 1. Some of these aren't really that missed I would argue. Galaxy 2 is the biggest gap, 3D Land prob next. But I'd argue in terms of "missing out" on games? If you owned just a Switch you're not missing out on THAT much Mario. I'd say if you're a fan of Mario the Switch is better in its era than the Wii U was
Couple of notes:
1. Probably not 100% accurate but it's close enough for a forum, it's a quick visual not gospel
2. When I say "EOL" I mean the date at which the console's successor launched. Eg for 3DS and Wii U this is the Switch launch. Which is why the NES is at "100%" for Zelda, Links Awakening released after the SNES
3. Gamecube is boosted here because of the Zelda collection disk, hard to justify not counting that
@skywake Teeeechnically (cause a chart like this demands technicalities), the GameCube has the option to play all GBA games, giving it access to all 5 major 2D Marios at the time (Lost Levels was in Super Mario Deluxe), Minish Cap, Link's Awakening, the Oracles, and A Link to the Past. So the only game you can't play on the GameCube is Super Mario 64 out of Mario and Zelda. SNES similarly could play all GB/GBC games with the Game Boy player, giving it access to everything besides the original Legend of Zelda. It looks like you included BC but not those two items, right?
EDIT: Also, what Zelda am I missing? You have the GB/GBC at ~29%, but it had 3 (LA, OoS, OoA) / 8 (LoZ, II, ALttP, OoT, MM) or 37.5%. Are you including Satelliview or CD-I games? Or wait, that's about 2/7, so was a game missing?
@NEStalgia The one thing I will say about their release schedule? If we really do get Gods & Monsters, Bravely Default II, No More Heroes III, Digimon Survive, Disco Elysium, Balan Wonderworld, Sports Story, Axiom Verge 2, Silksong, SMT III, SMT V and Doom Eternal in relatively quick succession, it would heal a lot of my issues with it.
As barren as it's been, we have the potential for an absolutely steady stream of games I'm interested in to come out over the next year, without Nintendo lifting a finger. That feels significantly better than Late Wii / Late Wii U, where once Nintendo gave up everyone else did too.
But yeah, Nintendo's clearly given up. I expect them to release one full size and one smaller new game per year for the next few years, and the rest will be ports.
@skywake Teeeechnically (cause a chart like this demands technicalities), the GameCube has the option to play all GBA games [...] SNES similarly could play all GB/GBC games with the Game Boy player, giving it access to everything besides the original Legend of Zelda. It looks like you included BC but not those two items, right?
Yep, not including the GameBoy player or Super GameBoy. It was GameBoy hardware that plugged into your console. I mean you could argue it being included because I am including backwards compatibility which is kinda similar. But the Super GameBoy was literally GameBoy hardware separate from the SNES itself (and it was similar with the GameBoy player).
Sure, the SNES could play GameBoy games.... but only if you brought a GameBoy for your SNES. That's not really the same as the 3DS being able to play DS titles. Have to draw the line somewhere, I think that's a reasonable place to draw it.
EDIT: Also, what Zelda am I missing? You have the GB/GBC at ~29%, but it had 3 (LA, OoS, OoA) / 8 (LoZ, II, ALttP, OoT, MM) or 37.5%. Are you including Satelliview or CD-I games? Or wait, that's about 2/7, so was a game missing?
I didn't count Oracle of Seasons and Ages as separate titles. 2/7 = 28.6%
@link3710 Yeah, that's the big thing vs the truly and totally abandoned Wii/WiiU late cycles is that there's third party support from real games, not a bunch of weird fitness fad games and the like. So the platform itself isn't languishing, but as far as Nintendo as a publisher rather than Switch as a console, I still feel they're taking the NES era approach that Nintendo games exist only to get you to buy a console, and after that it's just about raking in endless licensing royalties from third parties. They definitely have adopted "one big evergreen game per year, and just let everyone buy it." Smash, ACNH , etc. The rest is ports...and now not just ports, but limited releases of ports. Weird. So as a publisher, Nintendo generally does what EA does. FIFA18, FIFA19, FIFA20, Rogue Squadron, FIFA21, ME trilogy remaster rumor.... SMash 4, Smash 5, Animal Crossing New foliage, Animal Crossing new landmark, Kart 7, Kart 8, Metroid Prime 4, Mario trilogy remaster rumor rerelease..... It's a sad new look for Nintendo.
The whole thing makes me shift a little toward the TV consoles. If I'm playing multiplats, might as well play them at their best. The SMT's however remain the main thing to look forward to on Switch IMO, along with the eventual P5 Scramble.
Bravely Default 2 will have its audience, though I'm not sure how big that audience is currently. I isn't exciting me, personally, unless I see something amazing from it. The first 2 (how is Bravely Second not BD 2? We all thought it was when it came out...thanks, Square...) never really impressed me, and I don't get the endless praise the series got. The characters and writing were wonderful, but the gameplay was kind of meh to me. Mostly a boss grind (against the same bosses!) that dragged on forever, and the environments in between were mostly throw-away connecting points without much sense of adventure. Jobs brought back FFIV's "grind for the sake of grinding" only in the same little closed in areas purely for battle grinding. It's kind of the un-RPG for people who hate a big role playing adventure but love obsessing over RPG battle stats. Isn't that why SRPGs exist? I have the same complaint about Octopath, which I loved at first until discovering it has that same BD sense of adventure, or lack thereof and the endless boss grind takes even longer per battle.
@skywake Oh I know, I just like to nit pick. Although, claiming that Oracle of Ages and Oracles of Seasons aren't separate games is kinda ludicrous IMO. That's like saying Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time are the same game just because they reused assets and gameplay.
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