And... on handheld too for that matter (via GPD Win 2). Let’s hope it comes to Switch. But even if it doesn’t, that’s progress I can live with. Been waiting too long for Halo with gyro and Halo on handheld.
Most importantly, I got gyro working in DOOM on Steam, which... that might just be the thing that gets me into PC gaming. Finally, the ability to play games with amazing graphics and not sacrifice gyro in the process. Tried connecting the switch pro controller but man, Windows has so many issues connecting to that thing I finally gave up. Was about to order a generic 8bitdo when I remembered, oh ya, PS4 controller has gyro. They never use it for anything, but it has it. And that one connected just fine. I’d prefer to use Switch Pro as the analog layout is better and it’s more comfy, but whatever. It works, it has gyro, I’m happy.
This was the thing that finally made me swing over to PC versus power consoles (for games involving aiming and shooting, at least). It's a bit fiddly before you set it up right, but once you get the sensitivity to where you want it, it works beautifully. The Pro Controller doesn't just painlessly connect via Bluetooth like the DS4? Well, here's hoping Microsoft eventually includes a gyroscope in their Scarlett controller.
@Ralizah
I read a lot of people have issues connecting Switch Pro Controller. Mine connected fine initially, but it wouldn’t respond in Portal 2, so I thought something was wrong. It automatically disconnected after five minutes of non-use and ever since, it hasn’t reconnected. Says it’s connected but keeps blinking. Tried special drivers for the joycon and pro controller but that didn’t work either... ya. I’m sure some people will use it and have no issues at all, but I’m one of those people that always seems to have issues.
Turns out even the PS4 controller doesn’t respond in Portal 2. Steam Controller works for Portal 2 though. And that’s one game where the controller actually works really well. As long as that’s the case, I’m good.
DOOM with motion tuned just right, like on Switch, was revelatory. It played exactly how it plays on Switch, but in 1440p 60fps and medium-high settings and ultra high texture quality. Could probably just at 1080p 60fps and crank up the settings. Should be able to at least do that with my current setup. I want a graphics card good enough to produce the same results as the incoming consoles next year though. If I’m going to game on PC you should at least hold parity with the consoles.
Admittedly Series X may be the first time where console gamers have a more powerful system than most PC gamers. It’s a beast. But I have a feeling Microsoft will still use batteries in their controller, and still refuse gyro. And even if they include gyro, the developers won’t actually implement it, as we’ve seen on PS4. But including it would at least mean the controller could be used on PC. And since Xbox controllers have the widest support it would mean having easier access to gyro for PC games. Maybe we should tweet Phil Spencer. He seems like a cool dude who will listen. Just say hey Phil, Series X controller needs to have gyro like all the other controllers. He’d probably go tell the team, “that better have gyro in it too”.
Anyways. DOOM. Gyro with DualShock 4 controller. Amazing. The last barrier is cross save. If only I could cross safe between PC and Switch.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
@JaxonH Yuck. I'm glad I never invested in a Pro Controller. I've been using my Wii U Pro on Switch via an adapter, and it works great.
Series X and PS5 will have great tech, but it's pointless for me if that's primarily aimed at getting games on the system to run at native 4K. On a PC, I can dial down expensive and largely pointless visual settings that barely effect the experience so that I can play the game at 60fps. That sort of customization is impossible on consoles, unfortunately.
I'll probably hold off on buying a new GPU, though. Despite the GTX 970 being quite weak at this point. I want to see how things pan out next gen. Especially with Nintendo.
@Ralizah
Pro Controller is fantastic. Easily my favorite controller I’ve ever owned. It does everything I need (including gyro), has asymmetrical analog layout (which I love), is more ergonomic than the X1 controller for reaching the L/R bumpers, and has USB-C with a decent battery life. I liked the Wii U pro controller also, but I didn’t like how glossy it was and how fingerprints stick to it, and, it’s just not as comfortable as the pro controller.
So for Switch, it’s the dream. For PC, it would be if I could get it working properly, but I think that might also come down to the fact support for it is newer. Hopefully they can iron out whatever connection issues people are having over time. Until then, I’m just glad the PS4 controller works. Otherwise would have needed an SN30Pro+.
I think every game will hit 4K 60 on the new consoles. Even my X1X is almost able to do that now. At the very worst 1080p 60. I was telling my brother that, because of that, and the fact they are so easy to just plug-in and play, there really isn’t any reason to use PC. But then I discovered gyro and my entire stance got flipped upside down. Now, if I can get the same experience on PC as SeriesX/PS5 but with gyro, there really isn’t any reason to use the new consoles (rare exclusive aside, but even many of those eventually work their way to PC nowadays).
I’ll probably hold off on a new GPU as well. Wait and see whatever the new consoles have in them, because whatever it is, that will be hitting the market next year also.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
@La-weejee
This is, one Princess game already on Nintendo Switch.
Hopefully Nippon Columbia as the developer of that girlie games can deliver another girlie games again on Nintendo Switch.
I'm in the same boat. Looking to build my next rig in the next year or two. Will be the third or fourth I've built. I've been assembling some of the time-proof components when I see them on sale (case, power, etc.), but I'm waiting on GPU. There is a GPU "generation" change coming up soon, so there will be huge discounts on existing stuff, even top of the line stuff, over the next year.
What do you think about the CPU? I mean, it’s a nice, hefty upgrade over what I had, and from what I’ve researched it’s at least twice as powerful as what the PS4 Pro has, but is it enough for 4K 60 once I do upgrade the GPU? I used the userbenchmark site and scored, presently, 52% for gaming, 73% for desktop. Which, I suppose isn’t bad given the relatively limited GPU. I guess what I’m asking is, when I do upgrade, should I also go for an even better CPU? Or should this one suffice provided it’s paired with a top shelf GPU?
What do you think about the CPU? I mean, it’s a nice, hefty upgrade over what I had, and from what I’ve researched it’s at least twice as powerful as what the PS4 Pro has, but is it enough for 4K 60 once I do upgrade the GPU?
@JaxonH
Hrm… Ryzen 5 2600? You should be totally fine even for 4k, but you'll definitely need a gpu upgrade. Remember, even though a nice cpu is never a drawback, the old adage for PC gaming remains: your gpu is key.
More PC games are utilizing the Ryzen cores (I'm running a Ryzen 7 1700 with 8 cores right now, actually), which is nice and may give you the bump to reach playable frames in some games at 4k, but your gpu is still going to mostly determine what you can do. The RX 480 you have will struggle with frame rates at 4k. You def won't get 60fps in current games at 4k.
Most people recommend the 1080ti as a "baseline" gpu for 4k gaming. It's 2 years old at this point, but it can still be pricey if you don't find a deal. Not saying you need one, just throwing it out there as maybe a middle ground to look at other cards that are a bit below it. Have you heard of the forum Tom's Hardware? Check it out. Really good place for any PC gaming/hardware questions.
And just to stress: absolutely no need to upgrade that Ryzen cpu. It will be totally fine for 4k gaming. But gpu's that can truly truly handle 4k gaming at 60fps can still cost a pretty penny, which is mostly why people like me aren't taking that plunge yet.
@Ralizah@rallydefault
Well, I was thinking RX 590, but when I ran some simulations on pcbuilds to see how the upgrade would affect framerates at 1080p/1440p/2160p on low/medium/high/ultra settings, I realized it made little to no difference aside from 1080p low settings which jumped the framerate, which was already over 60.
So I did some experimenting in the simulator and I discovered that even with more powerful GPUs, like AMD RX 5700 or Vega-64... same result. Only when I threw in the Nvidia RTX 2080 did I see a tangible jump that could translate into enjoying higher settings or resolution, and even then, it was limited by the CPU.
So I then changed the CPU to the Ryzen 5 3600 and saw a fair bit of additional gain when combined with the RTX 2080 (and an upgrade to 16GB of RAM, but I’m going to do that regardless). So now I’m debating if I should grab both the Ryzen 5 3600 (and just sell the 2600 my bro got me to help cover costs) and RTX 2080 to compliment, or go with a lower RX 5700 or Vega-64 and keep the 2600. But again I didn’t really see any significant gains for that upgrade, be it Monster Hunter World, Rise of the Tomb Raider or Wolfenstein 2.
Which makes me think if I’m going to do it, may as well do it right. Just upgrade both and get a noticeable jump that could push 1440p 60fps at high/ultra settings across the board.
Idk if 4K is worth chasing right now, since 60 FPS would be a priority and not something I’d sacrifice to obtain it. And the price to attain both seems absurd. 1440p 60 at Ultra seems attainable though...
@JaxonH
Yea, you seem to be on the right track in your thinking. 4k gaming is definitely more in reach nowadays, but it still requires expensive gpu's that people like me just can't afford. 2k (1440p) is a nice middle ground that a lot of people have gone to; my next rig will be a 2k rig, for sure.
Like I said, I'm running a Ryzen 7 1700 with a Radeon 390. I have zero issues running stuff like Overwatch and WoW at ultra settings and over 60fps, and even things like Division 2 and Tom Clancy Siege I can usually do around high settings at 60fps, but that's all still at 1080p (although I do have a dual-monitor setup, so something to be said about that taking a bit of power, too).
I have used those websites that will run hardware stats like that, but I'm telling you, your cpu is not going to be the bottleneck for most games. The vast majority of pc games are still gpu dependent, not cpu dependent or even use the cpu as much as they could. As an example, WoW has been out for 15 years and only recently updated its coding to allow for more utilization of cpu's with lots of cores. I did some research into your Ryzen chip, and most people did not see it as a barrier even for 4k gaming as long as you fit your mobo with good RAM (3200). Those hardware configurators are nice to get ballpark figures, but won't be 100% accurate to what you're actually going to get. Multi-monitors, overclocking, clearing RAM, etc. will all also affect your output.
So, in my opinion, your cpu/gpu combo will be good for 2k gaming. I think you can hit 60fps with a lot of games, though absolute cutting-edge intensive stuff might be an issue. And honestly, nudging options down to a mixture of high/ultra is usually not a noticeable difference to the eye but can make huge difference in saving frames.
Interesting, Switch consoles (not the Lite, only the models that can actually switch) are out of stock. Nintendo UK store, GAME, Amazon, etc. all gone except a few MK8 Deluxe bundles on Amazon meanwhile Switch Lite is very plentiful in stock.
Wonder if it's just Nintendo underestimating demand or if it's something to do with that rumoured "Switch Pro".
@Grumblevolcano Since the regular New 3DS models kept selling out, the main reason I preordered the Switch for the midnight launch was to get a switch before stores struggle to keep them in stock. I think Nintendo seems to aim production toward avoiding big surpluses.
Also, I think it's just a matter of time before people endearingly call the regular switch, the "Switch Heavy". Partly because it sounds funny, and to parody the old Public Enemy lyric, "My uzi weighs a ton". If people don't, I still like it
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