@DefHalan I think you can add almost every multiplat game to that list; FIFA, Madden, GTA, Battlefield. The more popular the franchise is (FIFA, COD, Minecraft), the more it will be missed when it's not present. But in the end, every multiplat game matters, and you need more than just one or two. If they don't have these games, then be prepared to end up as a secondary console instead. Just make sure you price your system accordingly.
@Octane I agree, which is part of the reason why I wanted Nintendo to do something similar to XB1/PS4 power wise. If these Nvidia rumors are true, the Tegra X1 was able to do toned down ports of big 3rd Party games kinda easily, so maybe we can get something like that on NX... maybe?
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
@DefHalan It's certainly not impossible. I mean, all the big third party games could technically also be on the Wii U. It's just that the games need to be scaled down quite a bit and ported over. However, when the install base isn't there to support these games, and when you need to put a lot more resources into porting the games, then there's not much hope. I think that the NX (if the rumours are true), will face a similar situation as what the Wii U is in. Different architecture leads to less multiplat games present on the system, which leads to people skipping the NX in favour of a PS4 or Xbox One, which results in less sales for those games. It won't make sense to keep supporting the system and people will abandon it. At least, from a home console perspective. I suspect that we'll see some Japanese support, JRPGs and whatnot. But I don't expect all the AAA games to make an appearance on NX unfortunately.
Unless Nintendo is quite aggressive with marketing this time around and secures all the ports of those games.. But those chances are slim to none..
@FragRed The NX release date is enough to show CoD isn't coming. By March the current CoD cycle will have already been a third completed with Infinite Warfare and Modern Warfare remastered launching in November, Modern Warfare remastered DLC (the 6 maps not in the base game) in December and Infinite Warfare DLC in February.
The problem with the AAA 3rd party support is that the audience simply isn't there on Nintendo platforms. They already have access to those games on their PS4 or XB1. Those that don't own one? They either became a PC gamer, dropped out of the hobby (which I suspect is a fairly substantial number of people), or will buy the platform their friends are on. Nintendo is not an option, and hasn't been for the better part of two decades. Therefore, that support wouldn't have the effect that it should.
Point is, it won't act as a gateway like it would on other platforms. Nintendo is that far removed from the mainstream console space. To claw back into relevancy would take years, as in multiple "generations". That time isn't something the market is willing to give them.
Whether Nintendo likes it or not, they are a secondary platform.
@MarcelRguez Sure, and that's fine, but if the NX replaces both, then I also expect it to an adequate replacement for both. Not a good handheld and a mediocre home console. Maybe I'm biased because I prefer home consoles over handheld consoles, but I'm not looking for another handheld. If the system does both, then that's fine, and I have no doubt that it won't be a good 3DS replacement, but I have my doubts on whether it'll be a good home console replacement.
The problem with the AAA 3rd party support is that the audience simply isn't there on Nintendo platforms. They already have access to those games on their PS4 or XB1. Those that don't own one? They either became a PC gamer, dropped out of the hobby (which I suspect is a fairly substantial number of people), or will buy the platform their friends are on. Nintendo is not an option, and hasn't been for the better part of two decades. Therefore, that support wouldn't have the effect that it should.
Point is, it won't act as a gateway like it would on other platforms. Nintendo is that far removed from the mainstream console space. To claw back into relevancy would take years, as in multiple "generations". That time isn't something the market is willing to give them.
Whether Nintendo likes it or not, they are a secondary platform.
I agree, but the difference is that they once were the go-to platform. Over the years, Sony and Microsoft have taken over. Why not fight back I'd wonder? Seems like they simply ''gave up''.
There's many people that don't care what platform they own and would just want to play FIFA and COD. That audience is huge. If you marketing is right, and if you price you console right, I think that you can win over a chunk of that audience. I agree that becoming relevant again will take years, but when a game like Zelda easily gained the most attention at E3, I still think that there's a chance. Competition is always good. I don't like the fact that Nintendo thinks they live in their own bubble. Not sure what MS is going to do in terms of consoles, but I'd like a company to keep Sony in check as well. I'm not a big fan of monopolies; or at least when companies think they can do whatever they want.
I agree. I was in middle school during the SNES era, and I remember Nintendo being "on top" when it came to 3rd-party stuff. Problem was, it was really just a two-horse race at that point. They now face two entirely separate AND competent competitors in Microsoft and Sony, and Nintendo has spent many years (arguably starting with the N64) falling off the radar when it comes to 3rd party stuff (resurgence on the Wii, perhaps, but many of those games were highly altered from their "real" forms on the other machines).
But anyway, I think your key quote is this: "becoming relevant again will take years."
I agree 100%. And I think they should go for it. And nobody, Nintendo or any of its fans, should expect the change to happen in a night or even a year. It will takes YEARS, and they need to launch a machine here that they are fully confident in for the next better part of a decade.
@Octane They might not find it to be worth it to try to fight back. I agree that I'd like to see a company keep Sony in check, but I don't know if there's much Microsoft can do. Sony is too dominant. I think the only company that can keep Sony in check at this point is, well, Sony.
@IceClimbers If Sony make enough mistakes I think they'll fall. The Pro reveal was poorly received, lots of pre-Black Friday 2016 games being delayed to December or February, Sony always recovers much slower from the annual Christmas DDoS attacks, etc.
@Grumblevolcano I know these kinds of things are big deals for us, but those really don't matter in the end. Despite the lukewarm reveal of the Pro, pre-orders have been pretty good. I still don't know why people were disappointed. Yes, the presentation was boring, but the Pro is exactly what was leaked months before. Nobody had a problem with the Pro back then. It was mainly the presentation itself that was monotonous and dull.
About the games? Yeah, Gravity Rush and TLG won't release before black friday, but FIFA, COD and Battlefield do. Those games are far more important for the average gamer.
I'm more concerned that one of these companies is going to pull another Kinect on us, remove the ability to play used games or something like that. Those are the big issues. Microsoft suffered from it when they tried that. Sony hasn't done anything that royally screwed with their audience this generation. However they were quite a different company during the PS2 / early PS3 era. It happened with Nintendo too when they thought they owned the market back in the 80s and early 90s. It's inevitable that a company pushes too far and crosses a line, so it's good to have a second company at those times to keep them in check.
@Moshugan I think at this point expecting NX reveal before Color Splash is very unrealistic. The question is though is how many weeks Nintendo will dedicate to Color Splash promotion.
What would make it unrealistic? I know of no facts based reason for why the NX reveal could not happen this last week of September. Also, hasn't Nintendo already done plenty of Color Splash promotion? Trailers, Rescue V clips, an accidental (but very viral) early release...
Oh, and yeah, maybe the fall meeting is a more important turning point than my arbitrary middle of October date definitely.
Back to the Minecraft discussion, it's getting cross-platform play between PSN and XBL so from that it seems all versions will be connected except the Wii U version. More evidence that NX is doomed if there's no Minecraft at launch but the extra factor is NX version needs to have cross-platform play with XBL, PSN and PC.
@Moshugan The fact they haven't revealed it already makes me think they want to preserve Color Splash sales despite it likely not doing particularly well.
@Grumblevolcano I think it will and believe it will come out in the launch window. The developers actually seem dumbfounded on how well it's done on the wiiu. I say that's a good sign.
@IceClimbers If Sony make enough mistakes I think they'll fall. The Pro reveal was poorly received, lots of pre-Black Friday 2016 games being delayed to December or February, Sony always recovers much slower from the annual Christmas DDoS attacks, etc.
Yep. Honestly, I think we're seeing a turning point. My opinion, but I think Sony's setting themselves up for a couple slips:
-the Pro: Sure, pre-orders are "good," as someone else mentioned, but I think overall sales will not be what Sony wants, especially as the Scorpio inches closer and people realize they can just wait a bit for the absolute most powerful console and basically the same games
-Their VR push: ridiculous number of "things" needed to make it work (two of those hilarious-looking motion controllers, the PS Camera, the headset itself, and - yea - a console lol), overall price, graphical quality of games will be pretty darn low
-Relatively low number of anticipated exclusives/continued delays: Last Guardian delayed. Again. Nothing else really coming to mind that is exclusive except for that game with the lady shooting a bow against mechanical monsters. Don't even know its name. Horizon or something?
Sony is far from untouchable. And anybody who doesn't think this stuff works in cycles is insane. Sony will not stay on top for much longer - Microsoft and Nintendo are both coming up on an excellent chance to get back into the top spot.
@rallydefault Horizon Zero Dawn (the one you described) got delayed to February. You've also got the FFXV delay where Final Fantasy has been connected with Sony ever since FFVII.
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