And you're factually wrong if you think I am the only one who has ever had these issues with PC. Unless you're talking about just in this chat with only three or four other people who game on PC. And you're arguing that if three other random people didn't have my exact issue, it must not have ever happened?
Which if it is, you're still factually wrong. You haven't polled the tens of millions of PC gamers and asked them what issues they've had or haven't had.
How do you think I solved the issues??? By implementing fixes others found because they had the same issue. They're plastered all over the Internet. Anyone with a search engine can see others have had these issues.
Yes, there exists problems. As it does on all platforms. As an recent Nintendo example, Mario rabbids lose audio sometimes and needs a reboot. Or the previous example of spider man crashing on PS4.
Do I need to give you a search suggestion for games with partial controller support too? Or are you going to argue against that existing also? This is proof enough you're willing to lie to advance your pro-PC narrative. You said 100% nobody ever has had these issues but me, and that's clearly false as the sky is blue. Which is proof enough you will say anything. And you can't trust a person who will say anything..
Nice strawman you have there. Was it fun knocking it down? It is also rich accusing others of lying when you at the same time are attributing me things I haven't said, nor implied.
My entire point is that on forums like this, it sounds like you need a engineering degree to even install a gaming computer. I can promise you, you do not need one. If you buy a brand computer like, say ASUS, they have all drivers installed when you get it. What you need to do is setup the network, install steam and possibly create a steam account. The process isn't that far away from installing a console. @Nestalgia are exactly right in his/her description when it comes to how it was.
What PCs does do though, is allowing people to shoot themselves in the foot by for example building your own rig or do black magic with your graphics drivers. This isn't a flaw, it is a feature. You can go deep into the rabbit hole if you want to, but it isn't a necessity.
And my other point stands, no one can know if you have really experienced those problems or if you have googled them, hence it is meaningless to argue that. I haven't looked into those games, and have no idea if those problems are widespread or not.
@Therad It is a one hundred percent non issue for anyone but you
^^^ Your words.
So everything you just said above is hogwash.
it sounds like you need an engineering degree to install a gaming PC
No, that's just your overly defensive response talking, not reason and logic. What it actually sounds like, is that PCs sometimes have issues. Far more then consoles sometimes have. Which by the way, nowhere did anyone claim consoles are 100% problem free. But they have significantly fewer problems in comparison. That's just the blatant truth of the matter, whether you want to accept it or not. Getting a gaming PC is indeed pretty straightforward. The problems you encounter with the games in your Steam library after installation, however, is another story. Even if 9 out of 10 work without issue, if you have several hundred games, you're going to have several dozen games with issues. And I have indeed had dozens of games with issues, of some kind or another.
no one can know if you have really experienced those problems or if you have googled them
Again, motive. You're acting like this is a court of law. It's a freaking gaming forum where people talk about their experiences. I have no motive to just go google random issues and pretend like I encountered them. To what end? There is none! Unless I'm a sociopathic liar who gets a kick out of fabricating stories just to cause arguments. Or unless I'm a Sony/Xbox fanboy who simply refuses to accept PC has no more issues than consoles (which is not the case). Raise your hand if you believe I am a sociopathic liar. Raise your hand if you think I'm a Sony or Xbox fanboy. Ok then. The people can decide for themselves whether I have a reason to manufacture issues that I've never actually experienced just to slander your precious PC platform.
But the fact you try to dismiss my experiences as lies that can't be proven, in and of itself shows that you feel threatened by the problems I've had. Because if you weren't threatened by these things, you wouldn't try to discredit them
It's an absolutely ridiculous assertion on your part, to accuse me of "just googling issues". But one doesn't need to rely on my reports of problems. Simply looking online and googling the issues is enough to show that plenty of others do indeed encounter these issues. When you said it was a "100% non issue for everyone but me". Which is clearly not the case. Unless every person on the Internet complaining about these "non issues" is also just fabricating stories to slander PC...
The fact you're trying to dismiss my personal experiences as some pre-meditated, fabricated story in order to lure unsuspecting readers into thinking PC is so much worse than it is, is ludicrous. Your entire response to this issue... has been ludicrous. You're not having a discussion from a place of reason and logic and open mindedness. You're trying to shut down and discredit the voice of anyone whose experiences taint the image of PC you wish to portray.
And this is the problem with diehard PC gamers, or fanboys of any console for that matter. Any criticism of any aspect is seen as a direct challenge to their ego. PC gaming must be seen by all as superior in every single way, and any evidence pointing to the contrary must be silenced or questioned. Let me ask, if I came on here and said I had never had a single issue with PC, would your response be "we don't know if you're lying or just saying that". So you won't question my experience if it's what you want to hear. But if my experience is contrary to the narrative you want to push, theeeeen you want to question it. Theeeeeen you're not sure if I'm just making things up. Theeeeen it means nothing unless it can be "proven".
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced
When did the Switch Thread become the History of PC Issues thread? Great stuff! I want in!
Tried building my own with some more experienced friends back in 2005 and SWEET BEJEEBUS did that thing give me problems. It stabilised itself somehow after 2 years and was a nightmare! Finally in 2011 I had a custom made job constructed by a PC Specialist company (yes it was an extra £200 but worth it as it didn't give nearly as many issues). Still I had my issues requiring unstable OS, components failing, etc. As I did use the PC for more than just gaming their life probably did expire more rapidly. Still the experiences and constant need to consider part replacements (something I never enjoyed) saw me all but leave my stint with PC gaming.
At the end of the day I just want to use my limited time to pop in a game and play. Not hope it runs, not search for fixes, not fiddle with files that should be the developer's job. Thats basically why I went fully towards consoles. Undeniably less powerful and flexible than PCs, but they make life easier.
Now back onto Switch....when the heck are they releasing Psyvariar Delta!!
@Therad It is a one hundred percent non issue for anyone but you
Let me rephrase that, since you apparently didn't understand what I said.
"Your integrity is a one hundred percent non issue for anyone but you."
You are projecting far too much on this topic. And definitely stop attributing things to me I haven't said. I never take any claim on the net for granted, that includes anything you said or anyone here for that matter. It is just common sense.
@therad the problem with PC is this: No two hardware configs are alike. No two driver/software configs are alike. Different things interact in unpredictable ways. For business software (other than graphics software like CAD or Photoshop) it's usually fine as everything runs high level. For things like games, CAD, and PS that go lower level and more "bare metal" these problems tend to manifest, and they manifest differently for every machine, at least along a few broad classes. Maybe these days prefab machines can be turned into gaming rigs, but traditionally, at least in the past, a gaming PC meant hand rolled. On paper it's all fine and good. But tons of things can be just somewhat incompatible. RAM/Mobo/CPU combinations tend to have mismatch problems even when it's all on paper the right spec. PCIe/chipset/GPU mismatches tend to occur, where a specific GPU tends to lock when used with a specific motherboard with a specific chipset revision only when a specific CPU series is used. The only way to know that will be an issue is countless hours of troubleshooting post-purchase when things go wrong, or buying late so that hopefully reviews on newegg,amazon and the like already have people identifying the issues. Then there's just the other issues. I had a mobo that developed a bad ATX power socket....it would just randomly lose power. Manufacturing defect? Cable too heavy from the wrong angle just pulled at it over a year or two? Maybe. I had another mobo that just seemed to become intermittant. Maybe the heatsink on the chipset lost adhesion. Maybe it was a bad trace. Maybe it burned a cap. I had a GPU that blew a cap....bad caps were in the market at the time.
But the really ugly part is luck has a lot to do with it. At the time I was building usually right around when a friend of mine built. HE almost never had any problem with PCs back then. He was Steam only, too, of course, I was physical discs. But he'd build, after mylast bad build. He'd buy some generic no-name board, I'd buy the top of the line WS board from a major mfr. He'd get some low tier AMD, I'd get an Opteron with registered ECC ram (after the previous build developed bad ram and started corrupting saves and then files.) He'd get random smatterings of old HDDs, I'd buy barely on the shelves yet SATA drives meant for low end servers. He'd pull a 3 year old PSU from some old rig, I'd buy a 90+ gold/platinum top of the line PSU. His stuff would work without flaw, mine would be constiantly losing a part. It was surreal. The net result, is some people have good luck, put together junk and it works just fine. Some people have perpetually bad luck (I just generally have awful luck, not just in PCs) and have neverending problems. Those who get lucky with PCs don't understand the fuss. Once you've spend the time troubleshooting through weird problems enough times, you get tired of it.
Sure consoles have issues. But the standardized hardware means the issues are also standardized. If something weird happes to me, say, left joycon antennas, it's easy to find tons of people with the same problem, no troubleshooting needed. IF you get RROD/YLOD, it's a know issue, you can accept "the box" broke....and just treat it as one large component rather than spending weeks deducing which part is causing the other parts to perform erratically. When PC s go well, they're wonderful, but when you've spend a lot of time with PCs that don't go well, it feels more like a lottery. When I was a student spending all my nights troubleshooting them was almost fun. Now that I deal with computing all day every day for a living, that's the opposite of fun. When I get home I want to leave regedit behind me, and I'm sure as heck not pulling out the multimeter to check the +12v rails.
@msjubilee I can't imagine why anyone would spend $500 on a console instead of $400+ on a GPU for $1000-2500 of other computer parts for a gaming PC..... sheer madness!
Ultimately the PC/laptop(s) is/are used for a lot more important things than gaming. Gaming is fine living on an appliance box. I've never understood the "but you can use the PC for other things!" as though gaming on a console precludes using PC for non-gaming, and as though doing gaming on a productivity machine is a particularly great or even viable idea outside the walls of academia. Plus for $1500 you can buy a console for games and an excellent ultrabook for productivity, such as Sufrace, rather than dumping $1500-2000 just into a dual purpose desk tethered gaming/work center. It just depends how you divide your entertainmnet/work.
For true work yeah I need a high end desktop. But for normal use, a Surface Pro and a Switch is a nice nimble pair of computing and gaming power that can pick up and go anywhere.
On another topic, does anyone know if it's safe to delete user on switch and just readd it later without affecting any other switch the user is on on the post "link accounts" era? I wanted to add myself in someone's switch to play some of my library on it, but then remove myself from that switch, and the "delete user" and outdated "if the account is linked you must unlink" instructions on the faqs give me pause.
@NEStalgia "instead of $400+ on a GPU for $1000-2500 of other computer parts for a gaming PC..... sheer madness!" The hell are you talking about? You don't have to go for these expensive builds that costs more than all these consoles combined. You can go for a cheap build, you can go for a medium budget build. And with all these PC parts getting cheaper and cheaper you can build a PC that destroys these console to shreds.
Another thing. You can build a cheap PC and upgrade it. Like where are you console dudes getting this ultimatum that "$1500 pc or build nothing at all!".
@NEStalgia
gaming PC's are not prioritised, just optimized, you still have full function of all other software,
but as i always saw it, you can keep your PC (and most regular sized laptops) and just trade out parts when new software requires it, cheaper than going out and buying a new box, plus added bonus of PC backwards compatibility, you want to play a game from 20 years ago, you don't have to hope for a port, or hunt down an older system online or in a flea market or wait/hope for a mini console that only have half the games you like anyway, it's cheaper in the short and long term
alas, too many people use excuses like big bulky, good towers are only about an extra 50% to twice the thickness of your XB/PS, but a lot less cramped when you consider for those who have multiple consoles, plus usually a separate dvd player (not always, but usually) having to have have a huge spider web or cords everywhere
it's just the principal if Sony or Microsoft actually made upgradable game systems rather than new systems every time, they would have the market cornered and keep Nintendo out of the base console, (Nintendo could still keep the hybrids and portables, but consoles would be done for them)
they could be done like a server is setup, have a proprietized set of slots, memory, hdd, disk reader, motherboard, extra, ect, pull to only replace what you want, when you want, ect. full backwards compatibility with the previous consoles would sell them overnight alone.
maybe you've heard about the next system upgrade, maybe you don't feel it has enough games for you, so don't get the upgrade/s, or wait for more games or just wait for the next gen after that and discover it's a great one with a great library, get it and the very few games from the previous upgrade you didn't want
because it would still be a prioritized system, compatibility issues with hardware AND firmware and OS upgrades would not exist as many people use as an excuse with gaming PC's,
it's not up to Sony or Microsoft fully, if enough people demand it, they WILL make it...
Gamedolf the White..."One console to rule them all, one console to find them, One console to bring them all and in the gaming world, bind them !!!"
people just have to speak out
"If failure is the greatest teacher, how come we are not the most superior beings in the universe ???"
@MsJubilee what's the minimum build, links to parts at newegg/Amazon, your choice, that could run rdr2 at 4k native, solid 30fps?
Last pc i built for gaming was 2010 but the gpu alone was 400. 250 for cpu, 200 psu, 200 mobo, 200 or more for ram, that excludes hdds, case, windows, extra cooling, etc.
Maybe parts are cheaper now, but again, I've built several production machines in the last few years, and 1k is the base, with no gpu (onboard graphics only). I can't imagine where you guys are getting gaming rigs surpassing 1x for 500. It what gpu you're using. Isn't the new titan over 1k alone?
(That rig ate 3 gpus, so the actual cost was about 1200 just for gpus.)
@jhewitt3476 laptops? Last gaming laptop i tried also in 2010 was done msi gaming budget laptop for 1k. It barely ran alpha protocol, and non stop froze from overheating.
I imagine a pre verified pc with user interface sold asa console would cost much more thana commodity pc though. Valve tried that game and never even launched it.
@Grumblevolcano yeah. Not that there's much more going on in Playstation land than Nintendo land other than multiplats. But switch has nothing but smash and "everybody hates Pikachu".
@jhewitt3476 of course anyone with an alienware on a pc gaming form will be laughed off the board faster than a Nintendo fan on pushsquare. . It kind of just like buying a console: you pay premium for otherwise off the shelf, substandard parts. Always funny, you go to a console forum and people with premade pcs boast how consoles are inferior. You go to a pc form and anyone with a prefab is ridiculed as not a pc gamer. Heck, i used to be one of the people laughing.
@Grumblevolcano
News can't be happening 24/7. That said, we've actually had quite a lot to talk about recently, but it just seems nobody wants to talk about it.
Dark Souls Remastered and My Hero Ones Justice literally just released, and we have Diablo 3 dropping in a matter of days. Resident Evil 0, 1 and 4 announced for Switch as well as Vampyre. Ark Survival Evolved just got a release date too. Wolfenstein Youngblood has been confirmed for Switch, and Gear Club 2 got some pretty interesting gameplay footage released.
There has been no shortage of news, excitement or topics of discussion.
But in here, it gets a single passing mention and... that's about the extent of it. Very few seem to have an interest discussing the things that are actually happening
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced
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