Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@Ryu_Niiyama were you a pc ganer pre steam with physical games and drm like starforce? That was only 50% if my issues, the rest were windows, weird taiwanese hardware drivers and firmware utils that never worked, problems of scsi/Sata controller issues in Windows, and conversant overheating and breaking hardware. But drm on physical wasa really different world than steam. I mean the drm events actively broke windows, disc drives, etc.

There were always games that required motherboard firmware updates, driver updates, finding some obscure registry setting, or ini file tweak. Maybe it's better now. But as long as the same generic (including the name brands) taiwanese companies are still making the mobos i doubt it.

Funny, I've had issues with xbox (thanks windows!) Mostly is issues like that hard drive power state thing, a few digital games with corrupt install like pc etc. But there's not nearly as much to go wrong. Aco crashing to desktop, how the heck bad do you think the pc version is? It took me 6 weeks too get ac1 running without crashing every time i got to masyaf on pc. That's standard launch condition for an ac game. Ac3 managed to hard lock my wiiu a dozen times requiring plug pulling. UbiFail is so bad they kill Nintendo hardware.

Edit: even Bethesda hadn't managed that trick yet.

@subpopz well, overpaying for premade systems it's a little different. It's the random mish mash if newegg parts where the mobo and RAM never seen to quite be compatible, but if you unlock the voltage, overclock, then install the 3 version old drivers it's fine, but then the old drivers cause some chipset compatibility issue that done hacked chipset driver solves, but then those drivers seem to cause hard lock issues with and game using cryengine, but 30 hours of searching hardform tells you that disabling advanced shaders in the games seems to solve it, etc etc. "Pc gaming" most of the time means hand rolled hardware.

@Link-Hero to be fair while I've been cursed with gaming pcs which sent me to console forever, i haven't built a gaming pc in the last 8 years or so because of that history. Half the people on this site weren't even born yet when i was dealing with the gaming pc nightmares . If you don't remember the word "agp", the 3 revisions of it to pcie, ram coming in SIMMS, DIMMS before dual channel, the wondrous slot based intel cpus, infamous coppermine vs Thunderbird era, and the very very very very very painful early adopter nightmare of moving from ide to sata, the first half of my saga must seem alien. the second half merely from the early 360 era though.

Open up the case and clean the dust out. Other than that and DRM, I can't say I've had the issues with PC that you have (and third parties solved the majority of my DRM issues). I don't think I've ever had to do a firmware update of my mobo to play a game.

Well, well, well....
Let's back to talk about Switch.
Anyway, i really hope SquareEnix will release the Physical version of World of Final Fantasy Maxima + Chocobo Mystery Dungeon Every Buddy + FF Crystal Chronicles HD. Their game's size are definetely UNDER 16 GB by compression, so NO Excuses to Not release them in Physical.

Of course there are

Cart costs. Going by the discussions lots of publishers still think they’re too expensive. But apparantly they feel that a physical release of the game is worth it on Xbox.

I saw a YouTuber playing Spiderman on PS4 pro and the game crashed multiple times during his playthrough. So even flagship titles crash on consoles.

I would say ports to PC from consoles are the worst offenders, they are quite often handled by external studios. Who are quite often under a lot of stress to deliver.

But this will always be the case. There will always be a new refresh in a couple of years.

@NEStalgia
The early adopter nightmare of SATA? SATA was amazing from the start from what I remember. Was very, very happy to finally see the end of IDE... even in that weird period when optical drives were IDE and HDDs were SATA, before the revised connector with the locking mechanism.

Picked up Monster Hunter Generation Ultimate as part of targets 3 for 2 sale today. I'm hoping I can get into it more than I did on the 3DS games. The proper second stick should help a ton alone.

I used a PC for gaming from 1997-2014. In that time my family computer lasted until 2000. I got my own computer which lasted until 2003. I got a new one that lasted until 2007. Then I got a new one (and married) as did my new wife those comps lasted until 2011. Died within a month of eachother. Got a new set. Died 2014 within a month of eachother. She bought an office computer. I got a handmedown laptop from my brother for playing games off of GOG as well as Starcraft II. I'm out of the modern PC playing scene though. I just can't handle tossing an avg of $1500 down for a new gaming PC every 4 years. I'm not particularly tech savvy, so everytime my computers would fail to turn on or repeatedly give me the blue screen of death I'd take them into a computer shop for repair. My first comp from the 2000's needed its power supply replaced three times, then finally suffered from motherboard failure. Every other comp I had also suffered from motherboard failure. So far consoles treat me better and have nearly the same games on them as opposed to the 90s and 2000s when they had vastly different libraries.

Actually legitimately interested/fascinated reading these boards just how many people aren’t fully on-board with digital.

I was always adamant I’d be a physical only person as a lot of people are, but after buying the first few and seeing the ease/convenience & not having to hunt for/store discs/boxes/cartridges I knew I was quickly going to turn over to the dark side. The obnoxious/higher digital costs meant I held out a little longer (anyone remember the digital costs on 360? Absolutely nuts) but once there started being parity & MS/Sony started doing decent sales I was a fully fledged convert. Once Switch came along, given the portable nature it was a no-brainer for me!

Is it just the storage that puts people off digital with Switch? Or the higher digital prices? Lack of trade-in value? All three/something different entirely? Not judging, just interested is all

@subpopz
So you've got two choices here. You can accept that PC has a lot of issues that other peoples deal with, regardless of whether you yourself personally have dealt with them. Or you can call me a liar, and accuse me of making things up, and that these problems never actually happened to me, and that I have a "secret agenda" against PC.

And why would I lie, hmm? Because I'm such a diehard Sony and Xbox fanboy that I just can't stand the thought of PC being better? Raise your hand if you believe that to be the case. Or maybe because I secretly hate PC and I only bought one for my television and a handheld PC to make it seem like I don't hate it? Raise your hand if you believe that to be the case.

I have no motive to lie or exaggerate (and even if I did, I wouldn't)

@BrainOfGrimlock
I WAS an anti-digital guy, and I'm still all physical with my Switch, but yea, it's time to face the music: digital is SO much more convenient.

For a small, small segment of people digital is not good because they are afraid of losing the game if servers go down, game is pulled from eshop, new system and can't figure out the transfer or it breaks, whatever. Even stuff that would never happen. It rarely happens, but yea, some people cling to that explanation.

Very practically, though, sales for physical ARE definitely better, especially if you buy used at Gamestop and take advantage of their sales. They do crazy stuff with used games on the regular that puts online 20-40% discounts to shame, especially on the larger games.

I just reserve physical for games I REALLY want the box art for, like Xenoblade 2 special edition and the DLC. Amazon Prime used to be awesome, but now it's just meh so I don't care either way lol.

@Therad I wouldn't call next gen a "refresh", the only way Scarlett would be a refresh would be if @NEStalgia's theory of Scarlett games being playable on XB1X happens which would damage Scarlett's potential.

I'm pretty much all digital with my Switch, but that runs into the glaring storage problem, and I only go digital because delivery around here is pathetic.

I see no benefit to add an artificial lock between "gens". Having backwards and forwards compatibility is a benefit, not a detriment.

@BrainOfGrimlock
I want to cry & upset if the games i have interest on Nintendo Switch cannot be released in Physical due to cost of cartridge price.
Earthlock that still being digital only made me cry.
And World of Final Fantasy Maxima on Switch will probably digital only for long time unless if SquareEnix announce the Collector edition.

@BrainOfGrimlock I just love the collecting aspect of games. I know that logically digital is by far the best option but something feels so right going into a store and picking up a physical copy and once finished having it sat in your game space with all your other games and collectibles.