Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@DarthNocturnal What exactly about Ubisoft's E3 makes you want to avoid it?

@NEStalgia I liked the panda dance lol.

@Octane I liked it for all the wrong reasons But it's so very French. And so very Ubisoft. And you can't say no to furries.

Also, there's this:

@subpopz I think it's twofold. One, Nintendo's stuff is older and people for some reason assume that means it's now public domain. I would say, plus, KOTR is still for sale on XB and PC, but then, Super Metroid is also still for sale on WiiU, I suppose old Pokeons are not so there's one difference.

The other reason is, unfortunately it does seem like Nintendo's fan base is 40% more mature than other console fan bases and 60% less mature. There's more actual adults carrying on serious debates and conversations in the Nintendo community than PS/XB, but there also seems to be more whiny people that either are children or have a child-like mentality than PS/XB. So we get the best and the worst.

I think, as usual, people just notice what confirms their preconceptions.

@DarthNocturnal True.

The whole "fan game" thing makes me very uncomfortable even at a very high level. The idea that someone's IP is yours to do with as you please, and the mental gymnastics that let them feel guilt free as though it's their right to do so is something I can't comprehend. I find it genuinely troubling that I live on a planet with so many people for whom the very concept of respect for other's things doesn't exist.

@subpopz I never understood why people are mad when a fan-made game goes public and Ninty shuts them down. If they don't do that, they're basically green-lighting all fan-made projects.

Now, if it's about Ninty shutting down ROM sites, and not offering a proper alternative, there's an argument to be made

@Octane
God I love fan made games, true, many kinda suck, but you can run into some really awesome ones too, yah, instead of Nintendo shutting them down, they should get the programmer or modder and say "hay, come work with us"

I hope fan games NEVER die out

Yeah, no one's entitled to use anyone's IPs. People who don't understand copyright or think Nintendo is in the wrong when they shut down fan stuff, you have to remember that Nintendo pays a lot to keep those IPs.

I feel like most fan made games are uninspired anyway and I would rather see these people make their original games. Axiom Verge is a perfect example of what a fan made game should be imo.

@ReaderRagfish I don't think anyone is saying we should be entitled to all of a company's products for free. However, there are arguments to be had around the fact that video games are in desperate need of archiving for future generations. It is often said to be the worst form of entertainment in terms of archiving with a lot already being lost for one reason or another.

Add to that, what happens when in the future, physical consoles such as the PS1, NES or Mega Drive/Genesis become impossible to get hold of due to so many simply failing to function? Most games will never be made available to purchase due to licenses or the publisher/developer no longer being in business, or sometimes the publisher just doesn't care. So from that point of view, the ability to get hold of these games is a good reason to argue that such sites are needed.

@ReaderRagfish
as long as there is a demand for something, there will be a supply
the ONLY true way to get rid of piracy is to eradicate the gold from the face of the earth...
no programs, any type, apps, utilities, games, ect. nothing ever again, but even then
the demand will continue and those who once hacked software, will write them, no,

Pandora's Box has been opened and no matter what security measures are created, they are still just a compilation of 1's & 0's, and there will ALWAYS be someone who will reverse engineer and/or find a path around, even a fully streaming game service will eventually have the game files compiled and put out on the net

The "box" can NEVER be closed again

The only way to reduce (not end) piracy is for software and hardware companies to BE the the suppliers of the demand !!!

Sure, if there's no legal alternative that directs money toward the original distributor.

I make a point of downloading games officially distributed by them via VC if I want to play them, which is why I bought Earthbound twice on both Wii U and New 3DS, even though I've long had access to a ROM of it that works perfectly. I'm not going to not play, say, the english-translated version of Mother 3 when it's available online just because Nintendo isn't keen on making it legally available, though.

If it comes down to my only options being emulation (for free) or purchasing an expensive second-hand copy, then I'll opt for the former, as none of that money goes to Nintendo anyway.

In such a scenario, there is nothing morally dubious at all about piracy.

I didn't realize that VC4 was full price. Ah well GCU to the rescue!

@Ryu_Niiyama it's a new multiplat release from a major publisher... Of course it's full price? (Btw I'm get to the novella on ac:o eventually )

@ReaderRagfish yeah, i really don't get this new argument people have that preservation of games not for sale is some sacred right for the betterment of mankind. I mean, by that argument the Smithsonian shouldn't be buying artifacts for small fortunes from owners, they should just be seizing them by force for the public good.

@NEStalgia Eh no rush. I don’t know but perhaps because VC is still a small franchise I thought it would be cheaper. Ah well.

I'm laughing my rear end off here. Rom sites and emulation have always been legally and ethically dubious at best. Not to mention many of them are sketchy in the extreme. And the claim that there's "nothing morally dubious at all about piracy" is hilarious.

By that same logic it would be perfectly acceptable for someone to break into my apartment and steal my collection of Playstation, Playstation 2, and Gamecube games (and maybe the systems too) just because those specific games aren't legally available outside of potentially expensive 2nd hand markets.

I'll admit to having used emulators in the past to play a few NES and SNES games. And even one or two N64 games as well. And yet I'd much rather either use the original hardware and physical copies of the games or buy a re-release of the games in question. And that's entirely because I've always realized that rom sites were probably illegal, were often sketchy at best (thus risked your computer getting infected), and are definitely morally wrong to use.

I'll be honest here, I thought sites like EmuNation and Cool Roms would be shut down 18 years ago, at the very least. The fact that they weren't shut down by Nintendo and other companies years ago is rather surprising.

@Ryu_Niiyama i paid 60 for vc1 on ps4. 40, i think a was standard price for psp games when i got 2 so that was cheaper... But 4 is ps4 and switch, so yeah.

We won't talk about the jpn vc3 import costs....

@FaeKnight Well, there's a difference, nobody is breaking into your, or anyone else's, house, and nothing is 'stolen' (as in 'removed from the owner').

The point @Ralizah is trying to make is that buying a second hand copy or downloading a ROM doesn't support Nintendo in any way. So if the second hand market is acceptable, why aren't ROMs (for older games)? Neither option is helping Nintendo, but one avoids paying bloated overpriced cartridges for a 30-year old system.

Now, this would be different if they offered their entire backlog of older games on the eShop for example, then you could make the argument that there is a legal option to play said game.

The games I emulate are also games I already own. So I personally don't see the issue. Reasons are for not being tied to old archaic hardware; especially portable hardware without back lighting. Getting the option for multiple saves, etc.

The second hand market does support Nintendo.

@gcunit How? Hunting down a copy of Earthbound on eBay, or just downloading a ROM are equally ''useless'' for Nintendo; they earn nothing from either option.