Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@JohnBlackstar Bayonetta doesn't have a major online component (it's a single player game at heart), so there's no reason for you to be buying it again if you already have it. Splatoon 2 is a full fledged sequel to Splatoon. Given how many shooters are annual, I don't think them releasing a sequel after two years is a black mark against them, that's slow for the genre. Trust me, if you play it, you'll see the difference. Mario Kart though, that one you're right about. But there's nothing stopping you from playing it online on the Wii U still, not like that system's online doesn't function anymore or anything?

...well, at least until they ruthlessly shut down Mario Kart 8's online on WiiU like they did with Mario Kart Wii (as a not-so-subtle nudge to consider upgrading to the latest platform, no doubt - hurt my heart when they did that!)

Yet the things you quoted here are mere opinions. I mean, I am also not inspired by the Switch, and definitely see mine collecting dust for quite some time after I finish Odyssey unless they have something up their sleeves for this year, which I really don't think they do.

@JohnBlackstar Yeah, it sucks. There are people I'd love to play Mario Kart 8 with, some new people that are close to me that I didn't have back in the time of the Wii U... But... I already paid a full $60 for Mario Kart 8, plus I purchased all of the DLC on the Wii U. It all most certainly cost me a pretty penny... Only to have Nintendo's mistakes cause them to have to abandon the Wii U and make a new console, and then port the same game over to it and expect people to pay full price for it like it is actually a new game.

It's a shame. It makes me sad. But I can't justify paying another $60 for a game I already bought within the last few years, just because Nintendo made mistakes. Everything relating to the Switch is also so overpriced. Like I'd have to pay more than that for a Pro Controller. It's so ridiculous.

@zitpig It really depends on the tastes of an individual whether or not the console is actually worth it at this point.

For example, here are my personal main Nintendo (and some Third Parties which release on Nintendo) Franchises of Interest:

The Legend of Zelda
Pokemon
Animal Crossing
Super Smash Bros
Mario Kart
Paper Mario (The original two, not the new entries)
Super Mario (3D series, like 64, Sunshine, Odyssey)
Ace Attorney
Kingdom Hearts

Now tell me honestly, since it's apparently so "easy" to justify getting a Switch for everyone... What does the Switch offer to me that the Wii U already didn't aside from Super Mario Odyssey?

(And for the record, I wouldn't expect a lot of those titles in a console's early lifespan, but it's just when some of them turn out to be ports like Mario Kart, it really takes the wind out of a system for me. Mario Kart is a big part of my enjoyment of a system.)

I think it depends. I mean they can't keep services up forever. And considering the wii u is their red headed step child that they'll want to pretend doesn't exist, they probably won't keep online games up there for that much longer.

That said, I don't think their sole motivation is sinisterly trying to force people to upgrade, it might just be its no longer worth it for them to support such old games

Not to mention, the Wii shutting down so quickly was because the third party service they used for online shut down. That was a mistake they've since corrected, so I wouldn't be so certain 3DS and Wii U servers will go down anywhere near as quickly. I could see them being up for another 2-3 years still at this point, if not longer.

@Harmonie - The Switch doesnt yet host some of those Nintenso games, but there are Indie games that make up for it. For instance there is a Smash Bros style brawler called Brawlout. There is an Animal Crossing style game called Stardew Valley. There are also countless other indie games that are awesome too - I'm actually preferring SteamWorld Dig 2 to Mario Odyssey. You want adventure games? Try OxenFree or OceanHorn or Thimbeweed Park or an RPG? Try GolfStory. Super Mario is represented by Odyssey.

Of course, if you only want Nintendo games, by Nintendo then Mario Kart AND Zelda AND Mario Odyssey boast great versions on the Switch. Those other games you mention will come and more besides. So, I stand by what I said. The Wii and WiiU are now consigned to the history books. The Switch definitely warrants its place in a Nintendo game fan's life.

If you don't think so then you really aren't looking very deeply into what the Switch has to offer. It offers the best versions of some of the games you want already.

@link3710 Who did they use as the third party?

@zitpig Fair point on the Indies. I've never really tried any. Right now I am not really in a financial position to really try any new games, unfortunately. I have only a little bit of spending money right now and want to make sure I get games from franchises I already love. But I will take these titles into account when I have more money again (hopefully this summer!)

I disagree on the rest, though. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is a port of the Wii U version with some added content. Breath of the Wild was a dual release, which I got on the Wii U. Super Mario Odyssey is the only one that counts for me as a Wii U owner. It is a great game, the best 3D Mario that has been released since Sunshine, IMO. But it is the only one title at the end of the day.

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe may be the ultimate version of Mario Kart 8, but what does that really mean for me? It's not worth $60 for some added content when I already have the original.

@Harmonie Disgaea 5 (never bought it on PS4, plays way better thanks to the suspend mode), Rabbids..... if you like strategy, both are top notch. FE Warriors is surprisingly good as well. Just going by first party retail....

@NEStalgia A company called GameSpy. They no longer exist as far as I know, their closure being what prompted the end of DS and Wii internet services.

You completely and utterly missed my point. My point is what is supposed to make the Switch such a worthwhile investment right now for a Wii U owner? Even moreso, I narrowed it down to me and the franchises I enjoy.

Everyone acts like the Switch is a perfectly worthwhile investment for every single Nintendo fan at this point, and I'm pointing out why that isn't always the case.

@Harmonie I don't get how they abandoned the Wii U. It was supported for 4 years, it received some stellar games even when it was clear the system was doomed. You can't expect them to keep supporting it and not releasing a new system just to keep the 13.5 million Wii U owners happy. I was a Wii U owner as well and bought all the big 1st party games and loved everyone one of them but the console wasn't receiving any 3rd party support. Months would go by without any new games because of this. I was more than ready for them to move onto a new system. If they hadn't they were at risk of becoming irrelevant.

As for having to buy a new controller. It's a new console, a break away from the Wii branding. We were lucky that Wii U allowed us to use our Wii controllers. You can't use Playstation 3 controllers on Playstation 4. 360 controllers can be used on One but you need to do a workaround and have them wired and use an adapter. It's not the norm for controllers to carry over to the next generation console so why should Switch be any different? As for the price, it's more expensive as it has more tech inside it. The Wii U Pro didn't have gyro controls or HD Rumble or NFC so it stands to reason it cost more money to manufacture. Plus it's only slightly more expensive than a DS4 or One controller, which don't have the all of the features the Switch Pro has.

Then there is the fact you don't actually need to buy the Pro controller, they supply you everything you need to play out the box. Nothing wrong with the Joy-con, they're great controllers. Also you don't need to buy Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, you can still keep playing on Wii U. I bought it again,albeit grudgingly but I don't regret it. As did over 50% of Switch owners. It's brilliant to have as beautiful a game as that in handheld mode.

These “I have supported and I have to buy again” cries are boring. You look cheap and nobody wants to keep on hearing you’re poor either. It’s time to get over it.

@Harmonie - Zelda is a port, as is Mario Kart - but the Switch versions ARE both definitive - both in content, performance and the way you can play them. You not being able to afford a Switch does not mean that it's not a system that justifies its existance or that it's host to some fantastic Nintendo games.

How can you disagree with the facts? What have I said that is wrong?

Ignoring the indie games is a massive oversight from a so called gamer, as many of them are truly excellent. If you're not prepared to try out indie games over better known games, then that's your loss and a real shame.

The Switch is already home to over 100 games - https://www.imore.com/nintendo-switch-games, with many, many more to come, including some (if not all) of the games you mentioned. They aren't all expensive either, so money for gaming doesn't have to be a huge issue, with games available for just a few pounds/dollars - or with the likes of the pinball games which cost nothing, but give a few tables away for free.

So whether you agree or not, is your business. I'm not going to justify the Switch or its merits any further. If you don't feel it warrants ownership then that's fine. People are excited for the Switch and its future. And there are plenty of reasons for that.

@OorWullie I think it has less to do with how they "abandoned" the Wii U and more with how they've released a new system with the expectation of formerly Wii U games to carry it. As I said previously, Mario Kart is a pretty big deal for me... So to have the Mario Kart on the Switch be a game I already own is super disappointing. I want to enjoy Mario Kart, but I don't want to have to spend $60 again for a game I already own.

The comparison between the PS4 controller and the Pro Controller is not accurate. The PS4 comes with a PS4 controller. The Switch does not come with a Pro Controller. I have to pay $70 to get a Pro Controller at all.

What if I don't care about HD Rumble, gyro controls, etc.? I just want a simple controller, like the Wii U Pro Controller. I didn't ask to pay for all of that.

I've been playing with the Joy Con controller holder that came with the system. I admit, I wasn't even really aware of that to begin with beforehand. I'm sure it was in the original Switch presentation, but I forgot. It will have to be an alternative until I can get a Pro Controller, I suppose. Still just want to have a real controller in my hands, though.

@link3710 Ahh, I had no idea that Wii used GS, or that GS went under. I remember when GS STARTED as a free tool! They were awesome....it was the only way to play Quake online! Then it was bought by IGN/Ziff Davis I believe and went downhill (back in the 90's.) That's a name I haven't heard in a long, long time. I can still remember the server list in the original app (the now obsolete website coyly says "it began as we know it in 1999"....which ignores that's when IGN bought it and destroyed everything it was )

@zitpig My discussion has always been about justifying the Switch for individuals, like Wii U owners. It has never been about justifying the Switch's existence as a whole.

Explain to me how Breath of the Wild on the Switch is the definitive version. I thought they were released pretty evenly for both platforms.

I told you I have a limited amount of money, and I have other non-gaming things I could use that money on as well. I want to be careful. Gaming is not my life. I wouldn't even call myself a "gamer". It's just a side hobby for me. I told you that I would look into these Indies when I had more money. I'm going to look into giving them a real try. Right now just isn't the right time.

@Harmonie Honestly, for you? I would say it's probably not worth it yet. I think it will be in time, no doubt, but I'd wait for price drops, bundles, or just more games to be released. Once the new Pokemon, Yoshi, Kirby, FE, Octopath Traveler and more are out, I think there should be more than enough to justify a purchase. It also really depends on if you've played a lot of the third party games that have come out as of yet already. If you haven't, L.A. Noire, Skyrim, Doom, and more can easily help fill the games list. That said, we'll see what else arrives this year, I suspect it might be easier to make a decision if you wait until the next direct.

I don't have to explain anything. Just look at videos, read reviews, read the forums. The proof is out there. Just open your mind. And you not knowing, doesn't prove my responses wrong.

@NEStalgia Is Fire Emblem Warriors worth full retail price? I did think that game looked kind of fun. I'm the odd kind of person that didn't really take to the strategy gameplay of Fire Emblem, but I do like the characters, and would like straight-up action. However, I've played some Warriors games before and found them to kind of be a shallow experience. So I've had to question whether Fire Emblem Warriors is really worth it or not. It looks like a good rent, at least.

@link3710 I have a Switch, actually... Got it for Christmas. Lol. But yeah, I'm just not interested in those third party titles. Violent, gritty video games are just not for me. I can't even stomach watching people play them, to be honest.

@zitpig I've actually watched a full Lets Play of the Switch version on YouTube. I never got even the slightest bit of an impression that the game being played there was any different from what I was playing on the Wii U.