Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

I think if it's different you want, that's one of the reasons I keep talking about bringing Wuhu Island back and making it a platform for testing out new ideas. Start it with sports, but keep adding to it, puzzles, mysteries, action set-pieces, etc. Then there's the other game ideas, the ones that sound a bit too wacky to work. A JRPG that has vehicle races instead of combat for the main of the gameplay. A parkour-styled game that is all about the flow of movement in a 3D world [properly crafted for such an idea, not the real world stuff of Mirror's Edge or Assassin's Creed].
Just those three alone would fill the library a bit, and be the sort of things the higher ups are hyping.

I want a new RPG Mario Golf and Tennis, in the vein of the GBA ones.

I actually get @YummyHappyPills ' point, Smash 4 this year vs. Smash 5 next year would lean in the later.

And who cares if Pills doesn't want to buy Sm4sh again? The point stands.

@link3710 I disagree, 2014 was a much better Wii U year than 2015.

@Caldorosso-E If we get a Smash 5, I don't think we'd see one until holiday 2020 at the absolute earliest. Another reason why a Smash 4 port in 2018 instead makes more sense.

@FragRed Maybe unless it’s a 3D platformer

Nintendo definitely need to do a 3D adventure/platform game on top of Odyssey. I most wanted it to be a Kirby or Yoshi (or both) vehicle, but as they're both getting side-scrollers this year, let it be DK instead.

Ubisoft will surely step up their presence on Switch soon. I'm hoping for ports of Assassin's Creed (preferably Syndicate to begin with), Watch_Dogs 2, and a new Splinter Cell (even though I'm 2 games behind in that series as it is).

@FragRed Maybe. Depends if they can make it work I guess.

1. Not many people played the Wii U version
2. The 3DS version was always more of a single player Smash, not the same
3. 4 years is too soon? Melee released 2 years after the original and 3DS/Wii U were a month apart
4. Smash Bros is one of Nintendo's best selling franchises, they'd be stupid not to have it ASAP

That's definitely a thing, I personally skipped Splatoon 2 because I played the original to death. Even so it's a non point given the game is still on pace to eventually outsell the original. It also has a super similar attach rate so whatever my feelings the only empirical evidence we have suggests there's as much enthusiasm for Splatoon 2 on Switch as there was for Splatoon on the Wii U.

That's clearly not the point given the above comment about Splatoon 2. And in any case what would be the difference between Smash 4 Deluxe and Smash 5? It's not like it's a game that is story driven. You get a bunch of Nintendo characters and you bash each other up on a themed stage. A fair chunk of which carry over from release to release anyway.

It has been 6 years since the last release, 10 years since the last home console release and it has never had a HD release. Additionally Animal Crossing is one of Nintendo's biggest selling franchises, only Mario Kart and Pokemon consistently outperform it. Lastly I don't really understand what your point about Stardew Valley is. Saying the Switch shouldn't have Animal Crossing because it has Stardew Valley is like saying it shouldn't have had Mario Kart 8 because of Rocket League and Fast Racing RMX.

@YummyHappyPills
I'm not sure what reaction you were expecting. If you were to rank Nintendo franchises in terms of sales performance it'd probably look something like this:

#1. Pokemon
#2. Mario Kart
#3. Animal Crossing
#4. Mario
#5. Splatoon
#6. Smash Bros
#7. Zelda
#8. Donkey Kong
...... everything else

So when you say that Nintendo shouldn't release the Animal Crossing they've clearly been working on for a while? You've gotta expect some disagreement. Especially when you're trying to argue the point from a business/strategy point of view. Same deal with Smash Bros. And as you said these games do have a long tail, which is why it's far better for them to be available as early as possible.

Actually Game & Watch 6. most (43.4 million).

I'm more mechanically minded, and a Smash 4 port has next to no chance of getting reworkings of classic characters. But different strokes for different blokes, I wouldn't complain.

I'd really like a Kid Icarus sequel but we all know how Sakurai is with his sequels. He makes awesome games anyway so whatever comes out I'll take with a side of resolve.

People always guess safe. Because safe is predictable, and when you're guessing, you are in fact predicting.

People could get creative, but the odds of being correct would be slim to none. It's too hard to guess what Nintendo's going to do when they surprise us. People guess all kinds of wild and crazy things and of course, 90% of them end up not happening, and then there's disappointment if it's not as awesome as the wild and crazy speculation.

So naturally, people place safe bets with their predictions and leave Nintendo to fill in the blanks with the unexpected. Because we are never going to guess what their surprises are anyways.

Honestly, I think a couple games are gonna be like 1-2 Switch. And most of us here probably aren't going to care about those. For the most part though, I think they're going to get their big franchises out of the way early and come with more surprises and less known the franchises later. We might see an F-Zero this generation, but I doubt it'll be 2018. I do think we'll see Retro's game announced- if not in January then surely at e3.

I disagree with this also. You don't have to look far to see stories of indie games that did relatively well on Wii U and 3DS. I don't think the VC did much at all to take attention away from Indies. If anything it's just another reason to check the eShop regularly.

@YummyHappyPills
None of what you said there is backed by any sort of evidence. Really the only thing you've said is that VC titles sell well. You haven't even remotely come close to arguing that this is at the expense of indie titles. And even if that was the case, and I don't think it is, you haven't made much of a case for how a subscription for the VC would "solve" the "problem". I personally think I would be less likely to buy indie games if I had the entire Nintendo back catalogue on-tap as part of their online subscription.

And in any case, as I said in my previous post the Wii U and 3DS if anything did pretty well with indies. Even though the VC was most definitely a thing on both platforms. Case and point Shovel Knight's sales by platform:

No doubt there would be some impact on the eShop but:
1. I'm not convinced it would be a negative impact on other content
2. I'm pretty damn certain that indies on the Wii, Wii U and 3DS did just fine
3. I'm very confident that a VC subscription would, if anything, make it harder for indies to compete

Nintendo will probably launch a new game alongside their online subscription service. My guess is smash 5.

New characters could be inklings, spring man, ribbon girl, rabbids, Cappy and captain Toad.

Confirmed: Cappy will not be in Smash 5. Not as an independent playable character anyway. Neither will Captain Toad.

@gcunit probably, but one can dream...

Btw it might not be possible to make a smash 4 deluxe. 4 contained many characters that Nintendo doesn't own. It is quite possible the characters can only appear on the Wii u, depending on how the contracts are written.

@Therad If anything, they'll update Mario's moveset to include Cappy. At least I hope they do.

I don't assume to be an expert of how VC has affected sales of 3rd party games, but it is pretty difficult to ignore the very simple reality that if someone buys a Virtual Console game...that means that money can't be spend on an indie game (let alone a AAA 3rd party game). Because they spent it. Unfortunately, we don't exactly know what Shovel Knight would have sold if Wii U either didn't have Virtual Console or...was actually successful enough to have more 3rd party support, which would help prove things more definitively...

It's not like a zero sum game, and there's reason to believe VC helps encourage people to check out Nintendo's eShop. But it's really hard to not notice the strange change in spending habits for people with 3rd party games on Switch and not see a lack of Nintendo's own older games as having some relevance.

@kkslider5552000
Even so I think it is fair to say that Nintendo hasn't had a problem getting indies to sell even on platforms that did have a solid VC. I was ysing Shovel Knight as an example mostly because of the fact that Nintendo sales were almost 50% of its total sales. And those stats were from before the Switch came to the party.

And in any case with the VC as it has always existed these classic games sit "on the shelf" alongside indies. My earlier question was if you give every subscriber Super Metroid does that mean more people are buying Axiom Verge? The argument is if I don't have the option to buy Super Metroid that's money I can instead put towards Axiom Verge. But, if I have Super Metroid as part of my subscription do I still want Axiom Verge? I think it's more likely such a system would make me buy less content....