Topic: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

Mainline games influence spinoffs. But they don't really dictate what characters will be spinoff mainstays.

Anyway, Jr and Diddy are slowly getting more and more spinoff playable appearances.

Donkey Kong Jr has been playable for decades. Heck he's even in Mario + Rabbids!

@ReaderRagfish
...MK8 and Deluxe stung the most, with not having Birdo, but that Peach...and Metal, Gold, Baby, and Tanooki Mario.

@Yosheel
Everyone who isn't Birdo seems to be getting more playable appearances in games...

Isabelle, Villager, Link and Inkling should've been replaced by Birdo, Petey Piranha, Diddy Kong and E. Gadd.

Introducing characters from outside the Mario universe is fine but shouldn't replace important Mario characters.

Clearly, we need Super Smash Kart.

Nintendo Kart Dimensions Trasnformed Ultimate

Just wait for the big debate about whether Ridley is too big to drive a vehicle.

Well I assume a future Mario Kart would include a newer version of Link.

8 has Skyward Sword Link, who is kinda infamous for his dorky face.

@Grumblevolcano
I was disagree. I'm fine with those characters, it's all the variations of Mario and the 2 of Peach I have quarrels with...and all the baby forms and Koopalings.

@Snaplocket
To be fair, those two characters are pretty big in comparison to someone like Waluigi, who was only made to be a partner for Wario in Tennis.
Disregarding that, what about Birdo?

@DarthNocturnal
I was thinking the same thing, about not including Waluigi, because of all the people harassing Sakurai about it.

To be fair, it is much easier to add Daisy as a clone of Peach instead of creating Waluigi as a brand new character.

Oh hey, do you think they’ll add a classic N64 recolor for Daisy? Tan skin, brown hair, white dress borders, and pink crown. That would be a cool costume.

Assuming modern Daisy doesn’t have a hidden third eye already.

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@Snaplocket I guess they thought a recolor for peach was enough, but then when they thought of formalizing clones as echo characters they figured upgrading Daisy to be her own character was a good idea.

To be fair, Melee Peach's Daisy recolor was so spot on you could say it was just like playing as Daisy, specially since Daisy shared the same general hair style and look with peach.

But since Daisy's modern design is more distinct, and her skin color got closer to Peach's, her recolors in smash became more like... Orange Peach.

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@Yosheel I totally think that'll be one of her taunts.

It better be because I might spend whole fights just taunting with it.

I think most newcomers in the game will be Echo Fighters, since they take a lot less time to develop. I say we'll get a minimum of 2 more full newcomers and 3-8 more echo fighters. I would love to see echo fighters for; Ness (Ninten), Lucas (Masked Man), and Samus (Dark Samus) to name a few.

Don't forget Peach going "La lala la la la".

It's like the ultimate actual-taunt in the game.

The fourth player can be Sonic. Any taunt.

@ReaderRagfish
His taunt isn't annoying as it is "funny".

My predictions for the remaining roster:

• Shadow (Sonic Echo)
• Celica (Robin Echo)
• Alm (Ike or Marth Echo)
• Dark Samus (Samus Echo)
• Elma (announced in a Direct following or followed by a XCX port announcement)
• Isaac (announced in a Direct following or followed by a Golden Sun + The Lost Age remake for 3DS announcement, the remake having the full story on 1 cart as originally intended)
• Dixie Kong
• King K Rool
• Simon Belmont

Given development started in December 2015, we're probably looking at 2016 as being the most recent for brand new characters in the base roster.