Topic: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

@Grumblevolcano Pichu is a joke character? If taking self-damage making it a joke character, then you should know that it's in Pichu's PokéDex description:

"Despite its small size, it can zap even adult humans. However, if it does so, it also surprises itself."

@Azooooz Self-damage when attacking can be handled well (e.g. magic and skills in Shadows of Valentia), it is handled terribly regarding Pichu in Melee.

Anyway back to the Birdo discussion, the most recent game Birdo has appeared in is Mario Tennis Aces as of Fall 2018 (Diddy Kong and Koopa Paratroopa are also present in that character batch).

https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_details.php/2168/rumor-nint...

Did I miss a discussion on this rumor of potential new characters?

For those who haven't seen it, rumor has it there will be a few mini-directs, a full direct and a couple other reveals of new characters leading up to and after the game release (future DLC). The rumor has them listed as code names and there has been a ton of speculation on who they are.

Of course, as with all rumors, I'm taking this with a HUGE grain of salt. But it's fun to discuss anyway.

Below are the code names and who I think they could be:
King – King K Rool (Donkey Kong), Chrom (Fire Emblem, echo fighter of Ike)
Ponytail – Dixie Kong (echo fighter for Diddy Kong)
Old Man – Heihachi (Tekken), Dr. Wily (Mega Man), Dr. Robotnik (Sonic)
Archer – Decidueye (Pokemon)
Warrior – Simon Belmont (Castlevania), Shovel Knight, Urbosa (Zelda BOTW)
Secretary – Isabelle (Animal Crossing, echo fighter of the Villager)
Mech – Proto Man (Mega Man, echo fighter), Chibi-Robo
Rhythm – Funky Kong
Folklore – Takamaru
Doll – Geno (Super Mario RPG)
Prime Ribs – Dark Samus (Metroid Prime), Ninten (Earthbound, echo fighter of Ness)

Thoughts anyone?

Takamaru has already been confirmed as an Assist Trophy.

I doubt the legitimacy of a rumor that tries to use codenames

@Harmonie Good point. touche.

@ReaderRagfish I can dig it! Just an elderly echo version of Pokemon Trainer. Why not?

I doubt it's real, but it's at least something to talk about and fill that SSB void we're all having.

Who?

Because they share the same name?

Not needed. Smash 4 has 2 completely different Roys so there can also be 2 completely different Robins.
Fire Emblem Robin's name is Daraen here anyway.

I would love Sakurai forever if he did this.

I made a 10x8 grid roster for 80 different characters (on the left side). I hope that will be enough.
I put the 68 confirmed fighters in there, so that leaves room for 12 new characters.

On the right side I put some examples (personal wishies, stupid assumptions etc.) of what could fit into the empty slots.

For Mario there's already a newcomer in Daisy, and it makes a neat row of 10 Mario characters, so I left it at that.

For Donkey Kong there's a great cast of Kong characters and also K.Rool I wouldn't mind.

For Zelda I think Impa would make the most sense, but any of the ones pictured, including Ghirahim and most of the Hyrule Warriors cast would make me happy.

For Pokémon I have really no idea, I haven't played the series for quite some time. I assume it will have at least the new one, a bird thing which I couldn't add because I don't know its name. One more Pokémon though and we hit a full 10 character row just like the Mario characters.

For Kirby and Fire Emblem, I don't care that much. I think Kirby should definately get a 4th one though, before FE gets a 7th.

For the next row, I was suspicious of only Kumatora and Boney appearing in Lucas' Ultra Smash. Why not Flint? I can also see Dark Samus being a faster Samus Echo Fighter. And Samurai Goroh a slower but even stronger Cpt. Falcon Echo Fighter.

Even with Wolf returning I still feel the Starfox universe is underrepresented. Krystal, a female staff fighter is a long time favourite of mine.

In the 7th row, I left one spot open for a retro game, and one left open for a modern game. I feel if Ridley deserved to be smaller to fit, Chibi Robo deserves to be bigger to fit.

The last row I left exclusively for 3rd party characters. Easy Echo's are Shadow and Ken. And instead of Tekken's Heihachi I throw an oddball and add Soul Calibur's Mitsurugi. Do you remember when Mitsurugi and Link were in one of the greatest fighters of all time and could battle it out (Soul Calibur II for Gamecube). Would be a neat throwback to that. I prefer each and every SoulEdge/Calibur fighter over anything Tekken, excluding Yoshimitsu. On that note, who would be THE trademark SNK fighting game character?

Yeah, if Ridley can be smaller, and if Olimar can be bigger, why can't Chibi-Robo be bigger as well?
This just added some fuel to my argumentation!

Why I think Chibi-Robo would be an awesome new fighter? He debuted in an original and superfun Gamecube-adventure (I rated a 10/10 back in 2005). He was one of the most charming new Nintendo IPs of that era, along with Pikmin, Doshin, and Animal Crossing. The beautiful sequel for the DS, Chibi Robo: Park Patrol, was almost as good as the first game, only held back by the DS limitations when compared to the Gamecube, and especially held back by not being released in Europe. This new IP was getting buried before it even got some time to breath. It went downhill from there: The Wiimake of his first and greatest game stayed Japan-exclusive. And the third and last really good game in the series (for the DS) also stayed in Japan.

But then a couple of gimmicky spin-offs followed that Nintendo released worldwide.

In regard to Chibi-Robo it was pretty stupid how Nintendo held back the good games from worldwide release and instead shoved the experimental (and not so good) ones onto us. :/

However, Zip Lash made Chibi-Robo more agile and that's when I thought "Hey, his ability to jump now and throw cables in all directions would make him a very unique Smash fighter now." Before Zip Lash, he felt a little too slow and clunky to fight, but that's a different story now.

@ReaderRagfish: Are you sure that "Old Man" isn't referring to the old guy in the original Legend of Zelda? Or the grumpy coffee dude in the original Pokemon games?

Old Man? Wild Guess: Professor Hector from the NES games Stack-Up and Gyromite. The R.O.B. series could use a second character. Hector is an old man. One of the oldest in Nintendo history.

@SKTTR No most people would be like: why did they put old mario in this game? We don't need another Mario clone! Where is my Waluigi! or simply: who is this old dude?

IMO The most logical assumption is Cranky Kong. The two codenames before old man are likely DK characters too. You can't include Diddy and Dixie while leaving out the original Donkey Kong. He is equally significant and popular as a DK character to my knowledge. His role in the latest DK game is also the same as Dixie and Diddy. Cranky Kong just makes sense.

This list is 100% true and we're getting Tier S++ Cranky Kong, just accept your fate already.

@ReaderRagfish: I think I mistook your previous post for Mr. Fuji. It's been a few years since I ran through the original Pokemon games. XD (Never picked them up on the VC)

...That could technically also refer to Mr. Pokemon in Johto.

@Navitroid
Now that you say it, "King" refers to K.Rool, "Ponytail" to Dixie Kong, and "Old Man" could mean Cranky Kong.
He is "old", but is he "man"? They definately put the whole DK Crew as fighters in there!!!!! Smash going ape!!!

3. Dixie Kong
4. Cranky Kong
5. Funky Kong
6. Tiny Kong
7. Lanky Kong
8. Chunky Kong
9. Candy Kong
10. Kiddy Kong
11. Wrinkly Kong
12. Swanky Kong
13. Donkey Kong Jr.
14. King K.Rool
15. Manky Kong (jk)

Cant wait to play Fire Emblem x Donkey Kong Fighting Edition

So, I got my head around Waluigi fans. There are indeed people who pick Waluigi over any other character in any game that he's starring in. Even without his own game, people got really dedicated to him.

And I can fully understand Isaac (Golden Sun - unfortunately not Dead Space ^^) fans, and King K.Rool and Krystal and many other Nintendo characters.

But what makes Geno so special? He's just a one-time sidekick character, derived from Pinocchio, without any history outside of Super Mario RPG. It seems he has a dedicated fanbase too, and they're all Smash fans as well. How come this character is still talked about so much for Smash?

And for the ones wanting Crash Bandicoot in Smash: Good luck! There is a possibility for western Third Party characters... At the back of the line, behind at least Rayman, Banjo-Kazooie, and Steve from Minecraft. And I know this makes the possibility for any indie game character very slim. But indies at least have their own indie Smash clones.

Because they want Geno and can't get him. That automatically makes Geno super special by all standards. Once released, barely anyone shall talk about him.