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Snaplocket

@NotAceAttorney If you ask me, I think they should take a break with third-parties, Smash 4 DLC was really going overboard. Just my thoughts.

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NotAceAttorney

@Snaplocket That's fair. I just wanted to see Nintendo add more copyrights at the end of their trailers.

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Snaplocket

@NotAceAttorney That's a rather petty reason to want third-parties.

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Shantephan

@Snaplocket Including third party characters doesn't automatically mean you will have to pay extra for them. It did in the previous game for a couple of characters but most of them were from Nintendo licensed properties anyway. Mega Man and Sonic weren't DLC for instance.

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Snaplocket

@Shantephan My beef was less the fact they were DLC and more the choices and choosing them over well known Nintendo characters. I mean Cloud and Ryu were straight WTH choices in my eyes and honestly kinda hurt my reception of Smash 4 as a result. Personally, I feel Sakurai should take a backseat, his a great game designer but I think it's time for Smash to get a fresh coat of paint.

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Shantephan

@Snaplocket Paid DLC isn't the best way to implement new fighters. I totally agree with that. And yes, some of the choices they made in the past concerning guest characters has been questionable to say the least. I just hope that with the next game we will get some guest characters that actually make sense and we don't have to pay extra for them, like they did with Sonic and Mega Man.
Also, as I stated before on this topic, I think it would be great if Retro Studios would make the next installment to freshen things up.

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Snaplocket

@TheLZdragon In all seriousness when someone sees a lame filler clone in a game where they the guy were hoping for doesn't show up. I think it's fair they'd be a bit upset.

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Snaplocket wrote:

@TheLZdragon In all seriousness when someone sees a lame filler clone in a game where they the guy were hoping for doesn't show up. I think it's fair they'd be a bit upset.

Lucina stole Ridley's slot after all

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Snaplocket wrote:

@TheLZdragon In all seriousness when someone sees a lame filler clone in a game where they the guy were hoping for doesn't show up. I think it's fair they'd be a bit upset.

Lucina stole Ridley's slot after all

10% of it anyways.

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NotAceAttorney

@Snaplocket What? Cloud is the physical representation of RPGs, and Ryu the same for fighting games. Smash isn't just a celebration of Nintendo anymore, it's a celebration of video games. It's damn awesome that companies like Square and Capcom are getting behind Nintendo and sharing their characters. Plus, it appeals to people who aren't Nintendo fans, and gets them interested in Smash.

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meleebrawler

@NotAceAttorney So we can get Doomguy from Bethesda to represent first-person-shooters?
DOOM is practically the forefather of that genre, at any rate.

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NotAceAttorney

@meleebrawler I don't see why not. Bayonetta is from an M-rated game, so that obviously has no bearing on the decision. Would make for an interesting character in terms of play style.

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Snaplocket

@meleebrawler While we're at it, let's add "generic army soldier" from the Call of Duty franchise and James Sunderland from Silent hill cause they aren't totally out of place.

@NotAceAttorney In all seriousness, being a "physical representation" means jack. Aside from star power, they have literally no reason whatsoever to be in the game. They are completely and utterly out of place, have derivative movesets (by Smash standards, Ryu's is taken straight from the Street Fighter series) and there's no good excuse to put them in when pretty much no one asked for them (or least no where near as much as the ones asking for Ridley, King K. Rool, Issac, Tiki, Paper Mario, insert indie character here, etc.) Smash already has RPG characters and we're undoubtedly gonna get ARMs and Splatoon reps in the next game. Smash isn't a culmination of all video game genres it's meant to celebrate Nintendo games, going overboard with third party characters goes against that. Also, putting their characters in meant basically jack for support as they more or less ignored the Wii U and Capcom is STILL not supporting the Switch despite the fact that would clearly be the right choice from a business perspective.

PS: I'm almost 100% certain meleebrawler was being sarcastic.

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meleebrawler

@Snaplocket Conveniently forgetting that "utterly out of place" Bayonetta beat out all the characters you mentioned in a poll designed for the very purpose of determining wanted characters...

Just because Smash started as a Nintendo-specific celebration, doesn't mean it has to stay that way. Nintendo has greatly influenced the course of video games over the years, and not just through their own software. Plenty of other developers and companies have them to thank for being in business to this day. Licensing and budget will obviously put a limit on third-parties, and I see no harm in what is essentially two companies giving each other a nod of recognition.

And besides, guest fighters are everywhere in fighting games these days. We have Geese Howard and Akuma in Tekken, the Arbiter from Halo in Killer Instinct, and most recently Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in Injustice 2.

Edit: I was only half-sarcastic. Nothing is truly impossible at this stage, just varying degrees of unlikelihood. I'd only be concerned if non-video game characters like Goku or Shrek started getting in. But I'm pretty sure the Smash 4 poll was explicit in excluding those.

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Snaplocket

@meleebrawler I didn't mention Bayonetta because she had actually had relevance to Nintendo besides star power. (and the poll) Pretty sure very few people actually asked for Ryu or Cloud. A few guest fighters is fine but they absolutely should not define the roster. In my opinion, every Smash game should only have 3 or 4 third parties at most and the rest be Nintendo characters. Also, I seriously don't want to see the main character of Doom in the game or the ones I mentioned if they got in over fan favorite Nintendo characters it would be a serious crime.

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NotAceAttorney

@Snaplocket You're right that for Nintendo fans Cloud means nothing, especially when there are Nintendo exclusive RPG characters like Isaac. But having Cloud in the game is huge for Nintendo, especially since he wasn't even in Playstation All-Stars, his home platform. Also, like meleebrawler has mentioned, the fan poll clearly showed that people want third-party characters in the game.

People can scream about Ridley and King K. Rool all they want, Bayonetta was what got voted in. How can we be sure that people who want Ridley and others are not just a minority? Obviously on a fan site we can get more obscure choices. But for mass appeal and marketing, characters like Cloud/Ryu/Bayonetta is what gets people talking.

Anyway, we all know what's going to actually happen. The next Smash will feature a bunch of Fire Emblem characters, a Pokemon from Gen 7 (probably Decidueye) and more clones.

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Snaplocket

@NotAceAttorney I'm just saying those third party choices really reek of "let's put in who would make the game sell" then "who would make a unique character that has strong relevance to the series." It's obvious we have different stances on what we want the Smash roster to be. Also, a TON of people asked for Bayonetta on just about every forum and Ridley/King K Rool haven't shown in any game for awhile and Bayonetta 2 was hot off the trail and was really popular. Looking at the fan poll isn't really fair since it was put up JUST as Bayonetta was starting to be relevant to the mass market whereas King K Rool and Ridley have been out of comission for awhile. The fan poll is not a good judge.

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meleebrawler

@Snaplocket A minute ago you claimed Bayonetta had more of a right to be in due to her second game being funded by Nintendo, yet now suddenly she's undeserving of her fan demand just because her game was recent?

Sorry, but I don't see any reason to hate the concept of third parties except sheer salt at not getting the characters you wanted. But the idea that they prevented your wish-list from coming true is ridiculous, too.

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