@MarioBrickLayer But looking at what I've seen from the Super Mario Bros movie so far, it seems Nintendo are aiming high, they're trying to level-up their IP beyond the gaming arena and make a proper success of the film, as a film, not just as a film-based-on-a-game.
How many of those films in that link have actually grown their respective IPs and elevated them beyond their status as a game-based IP? It seems the vast majority of game-based films are not worth the viewers time (by reputation, I've barely seen any of them myself). Nintendo are pitching way above that level, I feel. But I'm not sure Metroid in particular is ready for that.
Metroid could provide a decent sci-fi film, I'm not doubting that, but the existing library of Metroid products is not easily adapted into a family friendly movie. Are Nintendo interested in making an M-rated film right now? Totally possible, but not something I'm expecting to happen.
You guys had me at blood and semen.
What better way to celebrate than firing something out of the pipe?
@skywake Oh God the thought of a flood of 2D games etc gives me Wii U dread vibes.
Sounds like paradise to me. It's been basically a decade since we got 2D zelda or Mario (not counting Mario maker). I would absolutely love some new ones.
@Magician That must have taken a lot of digging to find.
When we eventually get the successor, it will be interesting to see if it is actually using this chip or not.
It is as confirmed as it is going to get that T239 was worked on by Nvidia for Nintendo. I am not sure though if it will be the chip we are going to see or the chip of the rumoured cancelled "Pro" project.
Guess we will find out when the console comes out and people pull it apart.
The X1 in the Switch is a 20W TDP part with 0.6 TFLOPS of raw GPU compute and 34GB/s of memory bandwidth. They halve the clock when its undocked, basically cutting the power (in both senses) in half. The Orin SoCs that have their full specs out range from a <10W SoC with 0.6TFLOPS & 34GB/s of memory bandwidth and 20TOPs from the Tensor cores to a 60W SoC with 5TFLOPS & 205GB/s of memory bandwidth and 275TOPs from the Tensor cores
The SoCs that have a similar TDP to the Switch sit around 1.6-1.9TFLOPS, 70-100TOPS and 100GB/s of memory bandwidth. TLDR, these new SoCs can match the Switch docked while "undocked" and have room for a bit of light DLSS. When consuming as much as the Switch docked? 3X, across the board, plus DLSS
Who cares what it's ultimately called if it's that much more capable
@skywake I just wonder if we assume the rumor that the OLED was supposed to be the "Pro" is real, if this chip is now part of that abandoned project and a new one will be used for the successor (be it Pro or 2) or if this chips is meant for the successor. My thinking is that if the OLED was a Pro model, we would likely still get the successor at the same timing we will get it now (whenever that ends up being), since Nintendo has done similar stuff before (DSi, New 3DS, etc) and the successor would be using something newer.
I do think it is more than likely the SoC we will see in the successor, feels like too much effort has going into it to abandon, but we will have to wait and see.
I really hope that the next Nintendo console is at least on par with the Series S.
I have no interest in picking up a "new" console that is still a generation behind and getting stuck with poorly optimised and cut back ports again.
I love the switch but can't help feel that it is lacking compared with tge old model of a handheld and dedicated Nintendo console - especially as most switch software costs the same as a "modern" release, instead of the budget titles that they look and perform as.
At least Metroid Prime released at a decent price for what was on offer but the new Zelda costing the same as a AAA is just a joke.
@Madao
Fair call, although there's a third option here we're not considering. It could be the case that the "Switch Pro" was indeed a thing and part of that plan was shelved due to COVID i.e. the T239, part of it was folded into the Switch OLED i.e. the OLED Screen and dock being updated to Gigabit Ethernet and HDMI 2.0
But instead of what the original play might have been (Switch Pro) maybe the SoC was shelved to some degree and they moved it along to a newer micro-architecture when it became clear that production was going to be an issue due to COVID. Or they just delayed those plans and the "Switch 2" we're now talking about is infact the same product that was being speculated about in 2021. I mean, it sure as hell wouldn't be the only chip that had its roadmap disrupted due to COVID
What would be the punishment if any if Microsoft lied about the whole parity of native CoD on the Switch thing? They gave examples of MW2 (2022) and Warzone 2 which sounds unrealistic for the current Switch but "Switch 2" isn't the Switch.
I feel unless Microsoft are lying, their comments say a lot about how a more powerful Switch will fit into the ecosystem.
@Grumblevolcano Tbh I think expecting any COD on the current switch is a stretch. It would take at least a couple of years of development to do the port considering they haven't bothered with the Switch at all before. At that point we will definitely have a successor, so they can just develop it for that. The agreement signed is to bring COD to Nintendo players, not to the Switch.
@TheBigBlue the series S isn't on par with the current Xbox and PS, it's an entry level machine that kind of let's people play the newest releases but with big cut backs on graphical fidelity and framerates - pretty much what the switch has done.
My big question is, if the Switch doesn't have as big a jump in power and stays a gen behind what is the point in new hardware anyway? Especially now that the steam deck is readily available and can run current gen games (wheres Hogwarts legacy on Switch?) as well as Switch games.
My big question is, if the Switch doesn't have as big a jump in power and stays a gen behind what is the point in new hardware anyway? Especially now that the steam deck is readily available and can run current gen games
Because it's portable. I mean in some sense the Switch as it is right now is marginally faster than the Wii U, a console which itself was in some ways above and some ways behind the 360/PS3. Yet despite basically being almost 2 generations behind the bleeding edge, and two long generations at that, it still sold 120mill units. Why? Because it's also portable. Also the XBox Series S is itself a "generation behind" the PS5/SeriesX so even it it does match the Series S it will still be "a generation behind"
With that said, the SoC as rumoured/leaked? If you take a guess at how powerful it will be based on what we know (core count, micro-architecture) and what we expect (price, TDP)? It'll probably have around 3X the raw power of the Switch which will put it at about half the power the Series S..... when docked.... and half that again undocked....
Which you might come on a forum like this after these details actually release and conclude that it's a failure for not meeting the Series S spec or something. But then you'd maybe not realise that that spec is also pretty much exactly where the Steam Deck is. Except unlike the Steam Deck Nintendo's new hardware will also have DLSS and its games will be developed specifically with that hardware in mind. Most games running on the Steam Deck were built for Windows and x86, these games run through a translation layer. Nintendo's new hardware won't have that***
@skywake that's a lot of words without actually saying very much at all 🫢
All I know, is that as casual gamers my wife and I won't be buying the Switch successor unless it's at least comparable with what we already have (PS5 and XsX) and capable of playing all "current" games.
As for the portable argument, my phone is also portable. That doesn't mean that I want older tech when I buy a new one. I expect any new gadget I invest in to be on par with (if not better than) what's currently available or significantly cheaper if it isn't as good.
@Chaotic_Neutral
I said plenty, you just didn't read it. Basically what I'm saying is that your expectations are naïve. There's nothing magical about the XBox Series S spec that makes it some kind of watermark that should be met. As I said, the Steam Deck is less than half as powerful in ideal circumstances, less again when you're trying to conserve battery. And that's fine because, well, it's portable. It seems as though the SoC in this new hardware will line up with the Steam Deck and therefore will also be under half the spec of the Series S. Which is fine. Because it'll also be portable
Also I think you didn't really think too hard when you wrote that line just then about your phone. I mean sure, you buy a new phone and you expect it to be current. Fair enough. But what is "current" in terms of spec for a phone? Would you expect a new phone to match the raw performance of an equivalently priced desktop PC? Like a Ryzen 7950X vs the Samsung S23? Well no, of course not. That would be dumb. Why? Well one fits in your pocket and the other can draw 600W while churning through tasks at a rate that makes the S23 look like a pocket calculator. In other words..... say it with me.... because phones are portable
You can't talk about hardware specs without also talking about what you're going to run on it, how you're going to use it and what your expectations are. A new console from Nintendo that had an SoC that drew 50-100W? Well cool, but with that sort of power draw it wouldn't be portable. And it'd need to draw that amount of power with tech as it is to outclass the Series S on raw performance. So it won't, because it'll be portable. Will that mean some titles will be downgraded or not cross platform? Well sure. But we'll be ok with that because it'll be portable and for the games it can run it'll be one of if not the best way to play them portably
It is pointless to line it up against the XBox Series S because that isn't a portable device. Simple as that
@skywake All I know, is that as casual gamers my wife and I won't be buying the Switch successor unless it's at least comparable with what we already have (PS5 and XsX) and capable of playing all "current" games.
Regardless of whether it is portable or not, seems very unlikely the next Nintendo console will be comparable with PS5 since Nintendo consoles tend to be significantly cheaper. As for playing all current games that leads to an interesting point — there are more games available to buy/play on Switch compared to PS5 and Switch also has a ton more exclusives than PS5. Although it's true some games can't be played on Switch (and likely the same for successors) it depends on whether you want Nintendo exclusives and a larger array of indies or a few of the more high powered game - by that metric PS5 isn't 'better' for games (it's arguably worse), but mainly it is 100% personal preference of which games you prefer.
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