@VoidofLight I think the only ways the next mainline Mario Kart could be live service is if either it's FTP (like Mario Kart Tour) or if the next console has no backwards compatibility. The lowest expectation for content at launch for the next mainline Mario Kart if it's paid would be the same amount of content as MK8 Deluxe, if that's not met people will just continue playing MK8 Deluxe.
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Speaking about Mario Kart games, i think Nintendo should learn from Modnation Racers on PS3 & PS Vita to make more attractive kart racing game with a lot of customizations.
I still see nobody ever mentioned about Modnation Racers here.
@Grumblevolcano I mean, New Horizons, Mario Tennis, and Mario Golf were all paid releases, and they got away with it. I could see 9 being different, mainly because of what you said, but that's only if Nintendo decides they want 9 to come this gen. If they don't, and wait until the next big console, then chances are there's nothing stopping them.
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@VoidofLight Those are the only Animal Crossing, Mario Tennis and Mario Golf games you can buy on the Switch though. I don't think New Horizons would've done as well as it did with its live service approach if Nintendo ported New Leaf to Switch sometime prior to New Horizons' launch. Unless the Switch's successor doesn't have backwards compatibility, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe will be playable on it.
@Bolt_Strike Many games of skill have some random elements (poker, backgammon, etc). In the long run better players will still win more (and randomness can be partially controlled for by playing multiple games in a match, for instance).
Anecdotally, I used to work for a fairly large government agency that had a semiannual Mario Kart 8 tournament. The three tournaments that were held while I was there, the same person won each time.
Yes it does because of human nature. Repeat something over and over again and it becomes less fun. That's why we have new games in the first place instead of just playing NES games for 30 years
Sports and board games are older than sliced bread, and people still participate in those. People don't release a new version of chess every year because people get bored with it. Some things just don't get boring.
People are hungry for a new Mario Kart game because they've been playing MK8 for 4 years (and some people who bought the original Wii U version have been playing it for 7 years) and they're bored with it and want new Mario Kart content.
People are so bored with Mario Kart 8 that it's still one of the best selling Switch games. Right. As of now, Nintendo has absolutely no incentive to release a new Mario Kart. If we're getting a new Switch in 2023 or whenever, I'm certain they want to save the Mario Kart 9 release to coincide with that new console.
@Octane The chip shortage that makes it impossible for Nintendo to even manufacture normal switches at the moment. It'll probably last for a few more years, given they said 2022 would be better, then went back on that saying that 2022 is going to be even worse for the shortage.
I feel I'm trapped in some sort of purgatory. My Switch collection is substantial, to the point where I feel numb to any potential announcements outside of miracle-ports or personal favorites being made available on the Switch. Nintendo could drop a trailer for MK9 tomorrow and I'd be like, "oh, more of that? Cool...I guess." Apathy at its finest.
But...if say The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay were announced for Switch, well then I'd be rather excited. Talk about a game trapped in licensing hell. Worse off than Goldeneye 64, seriously.
I'm the exact opposite. It really doesn't feel like I've gotten my money's worth of my switch purchase yet. There's only a slight handful of games that Nintendo came out with that I actually enjoyed, with so many of the others getting ruined by Nintendo actively sabotaging them for evergreen sales.
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@VoidofLight 'sabotaging them for evergreen sales.' Never has someone sounded more like a Sony fan hahah. (just poking fun, please don't take too seriously)
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@Voidoflight What do you mean by "sabotaging them for evergreen sales"? Is it the whole "multiple updates afterwards" thing you're referring to? Because I'm assuming one of the examples you're thinking of is ACNH which, while a bit barren at launch, seems to me at least (someone who hasn't played it) like it's been heavily overhauled and expanded since then. Is it just the idea of "release now, do later" that's bothering you? In which case I understand completely.
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@Fizza Yes, the "Release now, finish later" thing is what kind of ruins games for me, at least Nintendo's games. They did this with Mario Golf, Mario Tennis Aces, Kirby Star Allies, and Animal Crossing New Horizons... and each time, they constantly get high sales for doing it.
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They did this with Mario Golf, Mario Tennis Aces, Kirby Star Allies, and Animal Crossing New Horizons
From the outside, I feel like Mario Golf's issues have nothing to do with post launch updates and I doubt post launch updates will make it a beloved classic. Like they had three years to make a golf game, at some point there's a bigger problem then updates.
I do strongly with Kirby Star Allies. Why on Earth would you take LESS TIME to release the first mainline HD Kirby game than previous games? That makes no sense.
@Octane The chip shortage that makes it impossible for Nintendo to even manufacture normal switches at the moment. It'll probably last for a few more years, given they said 2022 would be better, then went back on that saying that 2022 is going to be even worse for the shortage.
eh, kinda. There are different levels of capacity for manufacturing silicon on different processes. In normal times a smaller process would open up as capacity for larger processes start to ramp down. The current silicon shortage is a combination of projections for lower demand, actual increased demand and lower than expected yields on newer processes. Nintendo's issues are mostly due to the higher demand but they're isolated a bit because the Tegra SoC is on a 16nm process which hasn't been impacted as much (7-12nm is where most of the pain is)
But the world keeps turning, eventually chip manufacturers will want to ramp down 16nm. Which means a refresh of the Switch SoC to move to a smaller process (the launch Switch was on 20nm so they've done this before). But if they do that? There's still a huge demand for those smaller processes. NVidia is literally making new 16/20 series GPUs on the older 12nm process in order to meet demand (and selling them for double the original RRP).
Nintendo will hit a supply crunch if they move to a smaller process given the existing huge demand for those smaller processes. But if they don't move they'll be hit by a supply crunch as chip makers wind down those larger processes. Either way they get hit, and it's not like the Switch is a product they can build up stock for....
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