Topic: Monster Hunter Rise

@Pizzamorg
We can do that quest. We'll just alternate picking Quests. I just used a meal ticket though cause I was about to take on that massive killer Magnamalo

Also, Discord invite link here for easier texting and potential chat in the future

https://discord.gg/njbNPASF

Holy *****, I died A LOT. Like way more than usual. I apologise.

I haven’t played this game in months and I just tossed together this Switch Axe build today/only started using the SA today, so those super hard versions of Elder Dragons were ROUGH lol. I also found it harder with only two because the agro just doesn’t let up. With four the monster may be stronger, but I actually get some breaks to do combos lol.

Still had lots of fun though, I love this game and the SA is tonnes of fun. I dunno how useful the exhaustion actually was, I didn’t really notice anything from it, but apparently it is the best Phial to have. I dunno how often I bumped you around, probably a lot lol but I was having fun mounting and discharging in their faces lol.

I also missed the Discord link, I’ll add that for future as trying to type in game sucks lol.

@Pizzamorg
No worries. Those quests are meant to be end game end game- I'm using a mixed set that's maxed out, with a charge blade that offers Defense +40 (naturally had +20, and I added a rampage skill, Defense II, for another +20), and I was drinking mega armorskins the whole fight, and I brought 3 lifepowders and 2 dust of lifes to heal you in a jam... That's what it takes to survive these last 10-15 Event quests against massive elder dragons and apex monsters.

With a little shopping around, you may be able to find a good Switch Axe that offers extra defense, and also happens to have a rampage skill for even more extra defense. And you can gem in Defense in your skill slots up to Level 7, which would probably be far more useful in those fights than whatever skill is sacrificed to make room for it.

I learned you can use wireless keyboards on Switch. So easy to type in game. I ordered a special joycon grip with chatpad in the middle, but until that arrives, I've just been plugging in my wireless dongle for my Logitech keyboard- it only works when plugged into the side of the dock- specifically, the upper USB slot. You still have to open the free chat menu in game, but once the keyboard pops up, the physical keyboard activates and works for typing.

But Discord is definitely easier. Plus, you can voice chat if you have the right equipment. They sell Homespot Pro bluetooth adapters on Amazon that sync to two devices, and mixes Discord on phone with bluetooth headset, but I use an Arctis 9 wireless that connects to Switch wirelessly via dongle, then connects to the phone over bluetooth for Discord, and it mixes the audio. Very handy to have for Discord chatting on Switch.

Don't worry about flinching. I wear a Flinch Free jewel to ensure I don't get knockback from friendly fire. I usually just assume everyone else wears a single flinch free jewel as well. If you don't though, I highly recommend it. All it takes is a single level 1 gem slot and you're covered.

Not sure about the exhaust phials. I usually tend to prefer power phials (I love Switch Axe, I mained most of the game with SA- it's sooo good in Rise), but I'll use just about anything if the sharpness, damage, affinity and slots come correct.

I think I ended at 3/7 Crit Eye. Maxed out Power Prolonger and Evade Extender. 2/3 for Stamina Thief, Razor Sharp and Divine Blessing. Then a bunch of ones for just random spare skills on pieces like Agitator, Crit Boost, Evade Window, Free Meal and Rapid Morph. Bit of a mess, but the best I could do over a couple of hours. Hence not investing in maxing out the pieces of it all. I might look into some defence boosting pieces, see where I can fit in. Can I make decorations for that, too?

I think the Diablos Switch Axe offers higher damage and higher defence bonus, but negative affinity and very low sharpness. However, if I add in that blunt booster skill and something to offset the negative affinity, do you think that one would be better?

I didn’t have any armour skins with me, I always seem to be starved for crafting ingredients in this game but I brought plenty of potions. Didn’t really help when I was getting one shot twice in a row though, lol.

I ended up making that Diablos Switch Axe. Made a couple of new pieces to suit it. Got absolutely wrecked on the various Apex Event Quests that have been added recently - although it usually ends up being the randos that eat up the majority of the cards. I still banged out a bunch of the others that give you like stickers, gestures or like a Sonic costume or whatever. I’m still only like HR 65 I think? So still a long, long, way until I get to the final monster. I still need to technically grind for money so I can max out my pieces and maybe take on these Apex monsters, but the excitement for me was putting the build together, now I am mostly back to mindlessly grinding I’m starting to lose motivation again.

@Pizzamorg
Ya, I used Diablos charge blade and ran Handicraft +3 alongside Razor Sharp +3 to make it viable.

Keep in mind, negative affinity (think it's-30% for Diablos weapons) only equates to 7.5% less damage in total. For Switch Axe the Diablos weapon is only -15% which is half that amount. That's like 10 less damage on a maxed out weapon, which likely has higher raw which more than compensates. The only issue is sharpness if you aren't running handicraft and Razor sharp. Charge Blade is at least viable with Handicraft but the Switch Axe has virtually no blue and white.

But adding in the blunt skill will definitely make the green sharpness more vSharp. But even if it doesn't do quite as much damage as another weapon, the fight takes what, an extra minute? If the defense from the weapon keeps you alive, that's a tradeoff worth making.

And yes, defense gems are super easy to make, only require Level 1 slots. As for ingredients, try to grab might seeds and adamant seeds when out in the maps- I gather anything and everything I run across. Then start farming them by ordering items with Rondine for more, which can also be done with your housekeeper. Also may want to start crafting and stockpiling lifepowder and dust of life for multi-player. When everyone brings healing items for the group, it helps a ton.

Also, did you buy the armor charm and power charm from the market? And if so, did you craft them into an armor talon and power talon afterwards? They stack, too. So always keep one armor talon, armor charm, power talon and power charm in your item pouch for extra defense and attack power.

If you're looking to craft a nice Switch Axe set, allow me to share my Defense Switch Axe mix set and skill list as inspiration

Equipment

• Diablos SwitchAxe [Def +35] (x1 Defense)
• Almudron Helm S (x2 Jumping)
• Almudron Mail S (x1 Brace)
• Almudron Vambraces S (x2 Steadfast)
• Tigrex Coil S (x1 Steadfast, x1 Razor)
• Damascus Greaves (x1 Grinder)
• Absolute Petalace
• Talisman (x2 Grinder, x1 Handicraft)

Skills WITHOUT Talisman

• Earplugs Lv. 2
• Handicraft Lv. 2
• Razor Sharp Lv. 3
• Stun Resistance Lv. 3
• Speed Sharpening Lv. 1
• Rapid Morph Lv. 3
• Evade Window Lv. 2
• Evade Extender Lv. 2
• Power Prolonger Lv. 1
• Defense Boost Lv. 1
• Flinch Free Lv. 1

If you add in the best Talisman you have to boost those skills, you can do even better. I also have Quick Sheath Lv. 3, Speed Sharpening is maxed out at Lv. 3 instead of at Lv. 1, and Earplugs are at Lv. 4 instead of Lv. 2.

In order to get the high defense (I'm at 495 defense for this Switch Axe set pre-meal), you need to add the Defense II rampage skill to the Diablos Switch Axe, and carry the armor talon and armor charm, and have all your equipment maxed out and matching the set listed above. With meals and armorskin drinks added in, it goes even higher.

There are other Switch Axes with defense boosts though. The Golden colored Conqueress (at least that's its name fully upgraded), the Fall Drache, Czar Switch Axe, etc. I would recommend upgrading the Ore Tree line into the Ore Tree II line to Conqueress. Massive blue sharpness, 30 defense once Rampage skill is applied, 3 Lv. 1 slots, and exhaust phial. But make sure you start from Ore Tree I and apply the Defense Boost II rampage skill BEFORE upgrading into Ore Tree II. It's not available on the Ore Tree II line. But if you start from the beginning of Ore Tree I, apply it right away, then upgrade into Ore Tree II, youll keep the Defense rampage skill.

If you add 3 Defense Jewels into the 3 Level 1 slots on that Switch Axe, you'll get 5% bonus defense +10 extra. Which amounts to like, +35 Defense just from the gems, on top of the +30 Defense from the Switch Axe. That's a massive +65 defense in total using the Conqueress Switch Axe.

I went for a Bludgeoner focus instead. It might mean less damage overall, but not needing to worry about constantly sharpening my weapon is so nice as the Diablos axe has a massive chunk of green. I also ran a bunch of is it crit eye? The affinity boosting skill, to make that negative infinity into a positive. So high raw, high affinity and able to sustain damage as you aren’t having to stress about staying in the blue or white or whatever.

I will grind out some defence gems to slot across my armor though, most of my gear only has level one slots and nothing to put them in, so if they are level one gems, just makes sense.

I do think I bought the Armor and Power Charms as I learnt that from World, but I am not sure if I ever did upgrade them to Talons or even know how?

I also didn’t know about the defence boosts requirements, so I have already made a Conqueress but I just jumped straight into Ore 2, I didn’t start from the bottom.

@Pizzamorg
Ya, you can't get the Defense II rampage skill unless you start at the beginning. Can always undo and tear it down to get materials back, and then redo it. I would. Definitely worth getting that Defense +30 on there.

To craft armor and power talons, you simply do it at your item box where you craft everything else. Manage Items > Crafting List, and you'll see the option on Page 10, entries 93 and 94. It actually requires an Ibushi Claw+, not a Bazelgeuse claw. I was getting mixed up from World. You'll want to own two of each of the charms- 2 armor charms and 2 power charms, so you can craft an armor talon and power talon out of 1 of them, and keep all 4 in your item pouch for maximum effect.

Also, just FYI, affinity is good, but I'm not sure if the bang for buck is there. What I mean is, regardless of where your affinity is, be it negative or positive, gemming in affinity is simply adding a fixed percent of damage to your output. Each critical eye gem only increases your damage output by 1.25% which equates to like, an extra 3 damage at best. Imo, that's not worth it, even if you have deep negative affinity, because the benefits don't change regardless of what your affinity is. Attack gems do +3 damage, only they have the advantage of giving higher bonuses at Level 4 and up, whereas Crit Eye doesn't. I'm a math person, so I'm always doing calculations to see just how beneficial some of these things are, and I've learned a lot of skills ppl champion aren't as good as they might suspect. To me, I'd rather have a larger evasion window or quick sheathing than a few extra attack points. It'll keep me from getting hit, which means I deal damage more, which means in the long run, it's actually higher attack output.

But that's just my opinion. Something to think about, anyways.

I would also say, Rapid Morph and Quick Sheath are crucial for Switch Axe. The Rapid Morph 3 skill makes you switch modes so fast. And Quick Sheath 3 makes a massive difference in the time it takes to Sheath your weapon, which can make a real difference when it comes to getting out of the way fast enough. If you use wirefall a lot and Invincible Gambit, I'd also recommend Wirebug Whisperer Lv. 3. It extends the duration of a 3rd wirebug from 60 seconds to 78, and decreases cooldown. Really nice skill. I just couldn't fit it into my current build.

Got my Wireless chatpad for joycon. It's not as fast as my larger Logitech keyboard, but it's fast enough, and far more convenient as you don't need to keep anything in your lap and set the controller down to use.

No lag.

Thank you for the tip on the Talons. I now have the four all in my pouch, I was able to also craft three defence gems that I have slotted into my build. Think I can fit in another two or three? So I’ll grind it out at some point to make those.

And I can swap out the affinity offsetting for something else, but I am not entirely sure for what. I am at crit eye 5 out of 7. Bludgeoner, Divine Blessing, Evade Extender, Power Prolonger and Stamina Thief are all two out of three. I have two defence boost now from the decorations. Then a bunch of random ones from spare bits on gear. That offsets the affinity from minus 15 to plus 10 percent and a base raw of 245, before any of the various bonuses proc from the various stuff on the armour and that is not fully maxed out, either.

@Pizzamorg
Evade Extender is great. And you don't need the full Level 3- Level 2 is perfect, preferable even imo as it doesnt make you roll and jump too far. Only run Level 3 when using Lance and Gunlance for the backhops. Evade Window is also clutch. Back in the old world, I would heavily rely on Evasion skills to roll through attacks. Still do.

The more defense gems the better. I just beat that gold crown Magnamalo quest, and fainted once. To give you an idea of my Defense going in, I was at 554 pre-meal. Then I ate for Felyne Defender, Felyne Medic and Felyne Weakener. And I drank Mega Armorskins and maxed my HP and defense via spiribirds before starting the fight. When we triple carted, I was at 490 Defense and didn't max my HP and defense with spiribirds. So that extra 64 defense + max spiribird buffs was enough to make the difference.

BTW, another 2 event Quests just released within the last hour. Apex Rathalos Emergency which features an Apex Rathalos "far more dangerous than any Apex to date" and Frost Bites, which features a Lagombi, Barioth and Goss Harag for special layered armor.

With all the layered armor event quests, I'm gonna have a heck of a collection by the time these event Quests are over, especially when combined with all the base armor in the game that can be worn as layered armor.

Would you recommend then I swap out some crit eye for evade extender instead?

And yah, wow. I think my armour value before a meal is like half yours pre-meal, but then I don’t think I have levelled up a single armour piece on this build yet, so I am not sure where I’ll end up. I haven’t made any armor skins before, either. I hadn’t ever needed them in regular Rise content, but those apex event quests are like old school Monster Hunter hard.

As you can tell with my waifu hunter, I like my layered armours, so I’ll have to try that Frost Bites mission later today to expand her wardrobe.

Finished that quest, all of it was pretty easy other than Goss. Dude is my nemesis, dunno why but I die to the same three hit combo every time. I dunno why I fall for it every time, but I do. That means I only had enough to make three pieces, but the skirt and chest are kinda ugly on a female Hunter anyway. I’m still happy to do it with others if they want to, but be warned, I will die to Goss. It is inevitable.

I combo’d the set with Anja for maximum waifu energy. If you aren’t playing as a cute anime girl in MH, what are you even doing?

@Pizzamorg
MH3U on Wii U was my first MH game, and in that game I played as a female. But ever since I’ve always played male hunters, because I like their big hulking armor sets.

Can you upgrade your armor? Should have plenty of armor spheres and materials to do it with. Simply maxing out your armor will make the biggest difference, if you haven’t done so yet.

As for the skills, I would personally prefer Evade Extender over Critical Eye. A lot of hunters just focus on attack and affinity, at the expense of all other quality of life skills. But I like those quality of life skills. Evade Extender is clutch for closing gaps which helps your damage output stay high, and it helps getting out of the way, which keeps you alive more, which also helps your damage output stay high. I have found skills which indirectly increase your damage almost always do a better job than those which directly increase your damage, unless you’re an A+++ tier Hunter that can speed run any monster without getting hit- in that scenario, attack and affinity are the better choice.

If you combine Evade Extender 2 with Evasion Level 3 or higher, you can roll through pretty much any attack. I always always always run Evasion and Evade Extender together. They’re a crazy powerful combination.

I like the female hunter more because I can give them a pretty and badass look!

I love this Orion set. This is good, quality World armor here.

I have gone in the opposite direction as I’ve gotten older. I used to love trying to create a version of myself in RPGs, but then I realised why would I follow around my ass for hundreds of hours if I could make a cute waifu instead lol.

And yeah, upgrading the armour is the last step but it’s just the most tedious step. I know if I spent like an hour doing the ore thing I’d be set, but I just can’t be arsed lol. So boring. I wish they didn’t brutally throttle the money you get in multiplayer.

Also I looked, the only way to get evade window into my build would be to swap my chest but it would only be one and it would be lower armour by about 10 points I think as that new chest piece won’t have been upgraded.

So I have crafted some new stuff, moved some stuff around. I am at defence boost 4 out of 7, 3 out of 7 for crit eye. I have maxed Bludgeoner and evade extender, got rapid morph, stamina thief, power prolonger and divine blessing to 2 out of 3 and then a couple of ones.

That’s a solid set. Evade Extender and Rapid Morph are great, Power Prolonger is clutch for Switch Axe and Divine Blessing can save you from being one shotted.

Probably should try hunting normal Apex monsters and elder dragons first before jumping straight into the Emergency Apex quests, which feature super buffed Apex monsters way harder than even normal Apexes. And that Magnamalo quest, which is basically on tier with the Emergency Apex monsters.

Thanks for your help earlier, helping me max my gear/max my defence jewels! Sorry I had to bounce, but the dog gets so scared by the fireworks. Our other two aren’t bothered, but we have one (our oldest) and she is just terrified.

Happy to try some Apex’s with you tomorrow, I might die a lot still as I’m still fairly low skilled, but if you can tolerate me, I’ll be most grateful.