Topic: Does anyone think the Nintendo Switch is boring?

@ThanosReXXX Just 'gauntlet snap' him and be done with it!

@Snatcher Yeah, I figured it was due time to add some matter-of-factness into the mix.
@Zuljaras Well, it actually IS Ascension Day over here, so the Heavens are accepting new souls...

There have been other rumors about MK being in development and an impending release as soon as this holiday season or next year...

Yes, the literal sage of the NL community has graced this forum with their presence. @ThanosReXXX has done it once again.

@ThanosReXXX I do not think talking like that for the Switch will be acceptable for the Heavens. Such people qualify for the "basement" though

Well, let me clarify my mindset a bit here since I own only nintendo systems in my house. So it's not like I'm coming from some kind of an opposite camp (be it Sony or MS). I'm nintendo fan and I'm more than anyone interested in Switch to become the best platform ever. Unfortunately turned out Nintendo themselves don't really care that much about the same things I do. I mean, yes, they care to sell as much hardware and software as possible and within a range of minimum effort investments, that's for sure. But as far as I can tell THAT strategy doesn't make it a better platform from a user standpoint.
4 years passed but I still don't see Switch as 'the best platform Nintendo has ever put out on the market', far from it. Looks like they're too focused on the business side of things, or perhaps it's largely affected by Iwata absence/untimely demise

And, yes, of course I've done my research before buying a Switch in Dec' 2017. By that time it had 2 substantial games that really sealed the deal: new 3D Mario and Xenoblade 2. So far was there anything that's on the same level as those two for me? Nope. Still nothing from 1st party perspective.
I'm glad you guys so content with your port machine and you can play all of this stuff on the go, especially if you missed all or some of it from previous generations, but it's not the same picture from my side.

@anynamereally You can have your opinion, and i'm not going to bash you at all for it, just going to say that the sale's number's don't lie, and the switch is really rising the rank's, and yes I know you said it's not the same picture from my side so I know this is just based off of opinion.

@anynamereally Well, you see, the thing is that, far as I can tell from the past two pages, no one here is touting the Switch as some kind of perfect console with tons of must-play titles or as the perfect system, but saying that practically everything about it is bad, is really dumb and basically the other side of that WAY too opinionated coin, so both statements are considered to be too black & white to me, hence my own reaction in this thread.

On a side note: I do suspect you to have a rather specific, more picky taste compared to most Nintendo fans. They know what to expect and as such, they do indeed love Nintendo's efforts.

Another thing I've noticed in general (and mind you: not specifically pointing to you) is that a lot of critics are complaining about all the Wii U ports, but to me as a sales & marketing professional, and someone who is also able to look further than my own needs and wants (which is basically the epitome of egotism), I very much do see and understand why Nintendo has done this. It's also usually the people that actually did buy a Wii U that are disappointed, because obviously, they already know and/or played these games, and as such, even better looking versions with bonus content won't interest most of them, but they are also not the target audience, obviously.

From a business point of view, it makes perfect sense and with their new found success with the Switch, Nintendo has been able to recoup quite a few losses from the Wii U and at the same time, quite a few of these underselling titles are now finally getting the sales and the attention they truly deserve. And for those people that DO buy these titles, they very much are new games.

As for the rest: I am most definitely aware of the Switch'es shortcomings, I even said so in my original comment, but what it does offer, is a wide variety of things that will and does cater to people with a more broader taste spectrum. I only saw you mention a couple of titles as being worth playing, but even I with my comparatively rather small collection, can come up with more titles worth playing. Mario +Rabbids to name just one. Every self-respecting Nintendo fan owes it to him or herself to at the very least give that game a try.

@anynamereally As for people not doing their research: that was obviously also directed at the OP and not at you, just to be clear.

Kinda thought this was a troll topic with that caveman talk in the OP.

But no, Switch isn't boring at all. On the hardware front, it's the most unique thing we have. The future of the hybrid gaming plaform excites me far more than that of the power consoles. As for software, Nintendo has the most diverse lineup.

The Nintendo Switch is ANYTHING but boring. It definitely has some flaws and might not be as exciting now that it's been out a few years and we're used to it, but in the grand scheme of things, boring is the last word I would use to describe it. The hardware itself is unlike anything we've seen before, let's not forget that this is the first hybrid console not just from Nintendo, but from any console manufacturer. And the lineup has been a dream come true. A 3D Zelda game which is a full open world, with a second one coming. The grand return of 3D sandbox Mario, and a port which includes a full open world side game. A Smash game that has literally every character. The most full featured Mario Kart game ever (albeit a port of a previous gen title). A sequel to the freshest new IP they've made in a decade with another one on the way. The first ever console Pokemon game with the first open world Pokemon game coming soon. An utter social gaming phenomenon in ACNH. And they're not even done yet. This gen is going to be tough to beat, they've been firing on all cylinders almost the entire generation.

If I was a "I only buy Nintendo systems for Mario/Zelda/Pokemon/Pikmin/etc." sorta person and already owned most of the major exclusives that went to the Wii U, I'd probably be pretty disappointed in it, too. The Switch's first-party line-up has been rather underwhelming as a Wii U owner.

If I wasn't a Wii U owner, though, I'd be stoked by the first-party support, and probably 75%+ of Switch owners never owned a Wii U, so...

With that said, the design of the system and strong third party support/exclusives still makes it one of my favorite systems from Nintendo. There's cool stuff to play all year. Must suck to only be interested in a handful of ultra-mainstream first-party properties.

@anynamereally

If every single Wii U owner also bought a Switch, they only account for around 15% of the userbase. But yes, people tend to forget that those games are new to the vast majority of Switch owners.

@Ralizah Even with the ports, there's still a LOT of high quality releases that are exclusive to the Switch. Remove the ports and remakes and the major 1st party games are:

-ARMS
-Splatoon 2
-Super Mario Odyssey
-Kirby Star Allies
-Mario Tennis Aces
-Super Mario Party
-Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
-Yoshi's Crafted World
-Super Mario Maker 2
-Fire Emblem: Three Houses
-Luigi's Mansion 3
-Pokemon Sword and Shield
-Animal Crossing New Horizons
-Paper Mario: The Origami King
-Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity
-New Pokemon Snap

And in the future we'll also have:
-Mario Golf: Super Rush
-BotW2
-Pokemon Legends Arceus
-Splatoon 3
-Metroid Prime 4

Aside from a few IPs (Mario Kart, DK, Wario) most of the usual suspects are covered. So what else do you want besides those last few IPs? This isn't like the GBA where we had things like Mario or DK having 3 SNES remakes and no original games, there's some ports and remakes, yes, but they've mainly been supplemental entries, the big tentpole Switch games have mainly been original entries.

@Bolt_Strike It's less about franchises being represented vs franchises being represented well. Yoshi, Pokemon, and Kirby have all been disappointing on Switch thus far (after having been well-served on 3DS). You can shrug off the lack of an original Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, Pikmin, Metroid, Wario, etc., but those are big holes in their first-party line-up. I actually happened to like The Origami King, but, for a lot of people, that was disappointing as well. And, personally, it didn't take too long for me to become disenchanted with the latest Animal Crossing, which I chalk up to certain changes made that reduce its appeal as a chill life simulator.

If we're purely comparing the first-party exclusives on Switch to other systems, I think Switch compares poorly to most of their other consoles on that front. Now, we're not through with the lifespan of the system, so maybe they'll come out with some massive bangers in the next few years, but I can understand a certain category of Nintendo fan being disappointed with the system.

I actually see it as being comparable to the GBA in some ways, since there are several standard Nintendo tentpoles that are getting by on ports and remasters vs actual new entries. And a big part of the GBA's appeal was being able to play previously home console-exclusive titles on the go.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, but a crucial thing to keep in mind with the GBA is that it was also only one half of the Nintendo equation that generation. This is the first generation where Nintendo hasn't had both a home console and a handheld. Which makes the Switch's first-party output even less impressive, give this one system is having to cover their bases on the home console and handheld front.

@Ralizah Actually it's pretty typical that consoles are missing a few IPs. Here's what past consoles have missed (not counting which ones are "disappointing" since that's totally subjective):

GB: Mario Kart, original DK game, Yoshi
N64: Fire Emblem, Metroid, Wario
GBA: original Mario, original DK, original Yoshi that isn't a gyroscope gimmick
GC: main series Kirby, Yoshi, main series DK (the only DK games were bongo peripheral gimmicks)
DS: 2D Zelda, main series DK game, 2D Metroid
Wii: Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, Star Fox, F-Zero
3DS: original Xenoblade Chroncles, original main series Metroid, main series Pikmin, original Star Fox
Wii U: sandbox Mario, only original Zelda was cross-gen, main series Kirby, main series Animal Crossing, main series Fire Emblem, Luigi's Mansion, Metroid, F-Zero

vs.

Switch: original 2D Zelda, original main series Mario Kart, original DK game, 2D Metroid, original Pikmin, Mario & Luigi, Mario vs. DK, Wario, Star Fox, F-Zero

There are a lot missing right now, but most of the ones missing are more niche IPs that don't sell as well. Whereas consoles like the GBA and Wii U had a lot more glaring omissions

And even so, they have plenty of time to significantly trim out this list. In fact, there's rumors that 2 or 3 of these will be off the list this year. Most likely by the end of the generation it'll look more like the previous consoles, with the only real blemishes being an original 2D Zelda, Mario & Luigi (probably dead with AlphaDream's bankruptcy), Mario vs. DK (series is probably dead because of low sales on Tipping Stars), Star Fox, F-Zero (probably not being revived anytime soon).

So yeah, I don't see this take where the Switch is lacking games or doesn't have enough original games. It's right on track to be one of the best of all time.

I don't think the Switch generation is coming anywhere close to the previous 2 maybe even previous 3 generations from Nintendo. Nintendo cannot produce enough to match the quality and quantity of both a console and handheld market on a single system. At best, I think the Switch may end up being the best from Nintendo when compared to their previous consoles. It has the potential to be better than the Wii or Gamecube, but not better than those consoles and their companion handheld systems for those generations.

@I-U Quantity? Maybe. Quality? Not so much. Multiple Switch games have pushed the limits of what we've ever seen from those series and having multiple consoles would've prevented them from making those games so great and getting them out as quickly as they did. We've never seen games anywhere near as good as games like BotW, Odyssey, Smash Ultimate, Luigi's Mansion 3, etc. and having two Marios, two Zelda, two Mario Karts, etc. would've just made them so-so.

I understand Kirby but that's probably more arguable for Pokemon and Yoshi than you assume. For Yoshi its more...how many people bought the Wooly World port, I dunno. Because that's one of the two Yoshi platformers that's widely praised by fans. And Pokemon is mostly because their "we future proofed these Pokemon models" explanation didn't happen actually, for no explained reason. Otherwise, I regularly hear about how Pokemon started to disappoint fans on 3DS, and things just continued from there.

I do also think you need to accept that those games would not have existed as is on GBA. Ignoring graphics, the scope of those Switch games, in various ways, would be impossible or be the content equivalent to multiple games on GBA at times. Even the RPGs on GBA were like standard 20-30 hour games for the genre. Perfect example, Golden Sun, actually had to be cut into two different games to be what they wanted it to be. Certainly this isn't always one to one (lol Link's Awakening), but enough of the time, the price difference between GBA games then and Switch games now, makes complete sense because of the amount of worthwhile content in them. So basically imagine if Mario Maker needed a 2nd game for all updates or Xenoblade 2 needed a 2nd game even before Torna.

That being said, there are some games and variety and...things I want focused on more in certain places. But I also do think we need to see what all those late 3DS game developers end up doing going forward, among other things.

The Wii had two 3D Marios and the N64 had two 3D Zeldas. Ocarina of Time edges out Breath of the Wild in critical review, and Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 outshine Super Mario Odyssey. Luigi's Mansion 3 is on par with Dark Moon, in terms of how it reviewed it didn't blow the 3DS game away. I'll give you Smash. I think that may be my least favorite Smash Bros. game, but I know in general Ultimate seems to be considered the best. Nintendo has shown that they can make multiple entries within the same IP and create hits either on par with or better than what they have done on Switch. They have been able to do that while also supporting another platform with quality titles. The Switch as a single system will not, from Nintendo, match any of their two system generations probably going back all the way to the Gamecube and Gameboy Advance. That doesn't make the Nintendo Switch generation bad necessarily, that is just the reality of it being the only Nintendo system in this generation.