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I-U

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@I-U Quantity? Maybe. Quality? Not so much. Multiple Switch games have pushed the limits of what we've ever seen from those series and having multiple consoles would've prevented them from making those games so great and getting them out as quickly as they did. We've never seen games anywhere near as good as games like BotW, Odyssey, Smash Ultimate, Luigi's Mansion 3, etc. and having two Marios, two Zelda, two Mario Karts, etc. would've just made them so-so.

The Wii had two 3D Marios and the N64 had two 3D Zeldas. Ocarina of Time edges out Breath of the Wild in critical review, and Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 outshine Super Mario Odyssey. Luigi's Mansion 3 is on par with Dark Moon, in terms of how it reviewed it didn't blow the 3DS game away. I'll give you Smash. I think that may be my least favorite Smash Bros. game, but I know in general Ultimate seems to be considered the best. Nintendo has shown that they can make multiple entries within the same IP and create hits either on par with or better than what they have done on Switch. They have been able to do that while also supporting another platform with quality titles. The Switch as a single system will not, from Nintendo, match any of their two system generations probably going back all the way to the Gamecube and Gameboy Advance. That doesn't make the Nintendo Switch generation bad necessarily, that is just the reality of it being the only Nintendo system in this generation.

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Bolt_Strike

@kkslider5552000 This. If you'd have told me back in 2002 that we'd have a handheld/console hybrid running full scale console games with an open world Zelda, an open world Mario, a console Pokemon game, and a Smash game with over 50 characters, I'd have thought you were making things up. The size and quality of games we've been getting would've been utterly unthinkable at the time, and in fact we've never gotten games of this caliber until now.

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anynamereally

I agree with the points being made by @I-U and @Ralizah. It really worth noting that some 1st party releases were not on par with their previous entries, e.g. Animal Crossing, Yoshi, Kirby and even Luigi Mansion to some extent (with the new entry being 'just more of the same' kinda thing, at least to me).

Another thing is that I used to really appreciate that weird, quirky Nintendo side, with releases like Tomodachi Life, Guild 01/02 collection, some preinstalled 3DS software, Wara wara plaza and Miiverse, etc. that apparently won't come back in the foreseeable future. Just because it doesn't really have to: as @ThanosReXXX said Switch as a platform "caters to people with a more broader taste spectrum". And I think this is part of the problem I have with a Switch: it appeals to a much wider audience tastes, which in my book means that lowest common denominator comes into play.
On the other side what I really liked about Nintendo is its weird, intelligent and even somewhat melancholic side.
For instance, if anyone remembers, Animal Crossing used to be kinda weird and melancholic. With gyroids, beautiful soundtrack and Kapp'n singing sad songs on the way to island resort. Where all of this in New Horizons? I just don't see it.

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anynamereally wrote:

not on par with their previous entries...Yoshi

Animal Crossing used to be kinda weird.... With gyroids, beautiful soundtrack and Kapp'n singing sad songs on the way to island resort. Where all of this in New Horizons? I just don't see it.

I think instead of just disagreeing more, I just wanted to highlight the two things I actually agree with. (though even the Yoshi thing, again, a common issue with Yoshi games)

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It is? Nobody notified my bank account...like at all.
Seriously though I think I have only bought 10 duds for games so far. What fun games does the OP suggest?

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NintendoByNature

Pretty dang boring. Unless i turn it on, it just sits there all day and does absolutely nothing!

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Dogorilla

@anynamereally If you're a Nintendo-only gamer (and so am I, apart from the odd PC game) then I can understand being slightly disappointed with the Switch's first-party lineup and I kind of agree about it lacking personality, but surely that's made up for by the massive variety of third-party releases that have never been available on a Nintendo console before?

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rallydefault

I have to say, remarkably the Switch is the only console I've ever had that has held my attention so solidly that I'm not even interested in other next-gen consoles.

In the past I've always enjoyed my consoles, but I would be eager to pick up the next "best" thing as soon as it was out. The competition has been out for like half a year now and I still haven't had the slightest interest in checking them out. When I want to buy new games, I still immediately go to my Switch.

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ThanosReXXX

@anynamereally Erm.... that's not really what I meant by that, at ALL.

What I meant was to point out that people who only find a handful of titles on the Switch worth playing, are considerably picky individuals, or even downright difficult to please people, and my comment was also meant to point at the wide variety of software available on the Switch, so by rights, there should be something on there for nearly everyone, safe for the aforementioned exception.

So, it's not about the lowest common denominator, because that is nothing less than an insult to the diversity and broadness of spectrum of the library as a whole. Sure, there are definitely also quite a few shovelware titles to be found, but these can also be found on other platforms, so nowadays, that's more or less a given. The number of them may vary per console, but yeah...

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LArachelDisciple

I think the discussion on both sides has been worth having this as its own topic instead of throwing it into Unpopular gaming opinions or the like.

I think it's extremely noticeable that the user interface has been trimmed down to the barest of basics after Wii U and 3DS went to great lengths to make the menus eye-catching and fun themselves. I greatly miss the themes from the 3DS. You can cite simplicity and I guess that's all well and good, but the ability to display my favorite characters and listen to some music tracks before selecting my game is emotionally satisfying.
My biggest gripe with the interface, though, is that it displays all the games I've ever played on it in a line. I'd prefer the DS/3DS route of having one blank menu slot that's filled by the game I put in. So the other games are all the digital ones.

I won't go too hard on the library. So far, the titles I'm going to consider the lasting legacy of the Switch will probably be Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Fire Emblem Three Houses, Bug Fables, and Shantae and the Seven Sirens. Those I'll look back most fondly on. I'm hoping Famicom Detective Club will join the list once I've started them up.
Other notables are Puyo Pop Tetris (Which I find highly charming despite being terrible at it), Kirby Star Allies (a serious step down from Planet Robobot, but hey! I can play Gooey and Susie, yes!), Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle (The standout Mario game on this console) River City Girls, Splatoon 2, and Snake Pass. There's lots of good stuff.

That said, I have not enjoyed most of Mario's output for the Switch and I don't think open-world gameplay has done Zelda any favors. I actually didn't enjoy Breath of the Wild at all, since I don't like this Zelda or Ganon and the story is broke up over so much wandering and flashbacks. Only the Gerudo saved it for me. So the promise of BOTW 2 as the next big splash Nintendo is cooking up isn't exciting to me. I'm looking forward to E3 for new titles beyond the BOTW2/MP4/Bayonetta 3 trinity that everyone else is waiting on, and will tide over on Famicom Detective if there aren't any.

Also Sonic Forces is garbage. If Switch wants to beat the GBA, DS, or 3DS in my heart it's gotta bring more Modern Sonic content!

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I-U wrote:

Bolt_Strike wrote:

@I-U Quantity? Maybe. Quality? Not so much. Multiple Switch games have pushed the limits of what we've ever seen from those series and having multiple consoles would've prevented them from making those games so great and getting them out as quickly as they did. We've never seen games anywhere near as good as games like BotW, Odyssey, Smash Ultimate, Luigi's Mansion 3, etc. and having two Marios, two Zelda, two Mario Karts, etc. would've just made them so-so.

The Wii had two 3D Marios and the N64 had two 3D Zeldas. Ocarina of Time edges out Breath of the Wild in critical review, and Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 outshine Super Mario Odyssey. Luigi's Mansion 3 is on par with Dark Moon, in terms of how it reviewed it didn't blow the 3DS game away. I'll give you Smash. I think that may be my least favorite Smash Bros. game, but I know in general Ultimate seems to be considered the best. Nintendo has shown that they can make multiple entries within the same IP and create hits either on par with or better than what they have done on Switch. They have been able to do that while also supporting another platform with quality titles. The Switch as a single system will not, from Nintendo, match any of their two system generations probably going back all the way to the Gamecube and Gameboy Advance. That doesn't make the Nintendo Switch generation bad necessarily, that is just the reality of it being the only Nintendo system in this generation.

Missed this response from earlier.

Keep in mind that standards and opinions change over time and improvements in technology, games like OoT and the Galaxy games, while they were great for their time if they released those games today they wouldn't be held in such high regards because gaming is capable of much more now than what those games offered. BotW is easily a bigger and more full-featured game than OoT and MM combined, and it's getting a second entry. Same with Odyssey over Galaxy and Galaxy 2. It's the same for nearly every IP on the Switch, especially the most acclaimed and successful ones. We've been seeing huge open worlds and games that are oozing with content to a degree never before seen from Nintendo, so I don't really see how you can say the quality is worse overall. On a case by case basis, maybe for some of them, but in general the quality actually seems to have improved.

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kkslider5552000

I actually disagree that the amount of content makes the inherent difference all the time. It's nice to have more bang for your buck as it were, but I'll take 15 hour of great gaming over 50 hours of largely ok gaming. That being said, BOTW went so absurd with its large world that it wrapped right back around to being brilliant, and only part of my problems with Odyssey are even based on the game itself as much as how I played its post-game.

But more importantly to note, almost no one who said OOT was the best Zelda has their nostalgia goggles off if they still think that way. They rated it that way because of how innovative it was, how it put Zelda in 3D and how it fixed a lot of issues 3D games at the time had. I say that as someone who was there to be forever in love with OOT as a part of my childhood but the reality is A. All the followups to it did more interesting things with it and B. BOTW is far better in terms of moment to moment gameplay. I actually have a lot of reservation, to this day, about taking my favorite formula for 3D games that Zelda did for so long and replacing it with another giant world with too many things with it, but I can't pretend for a second that they didn't pull it off about as well as anyone could hope for. Even the parts that are disappointing are usually only in context to how much more of classic Zelda there could be considering the overwhelming amount of game there is to it compared to past games. To put it simply, regarding 1998 video game reviews as the be-all end-all is just dumb, beyond just the reasons I stated (though I also won't pretend this isn't, on some level, true of most overly hyped AAA games with high scores across the board). Also they rated Majora's Mask worse, so how seriously should I take them anyway? :V

Mario Odyssey is even less of an issue, since its mostly a logical continuation of what the first two 3D Marios except made by the people who made the more linear ones. It just has a lot more extra content that you largely don't even need to do for much or any reason. Though I do feel bad for anyone obsessed with 100% games.

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@kkslider5552000
I don't know, man. I play Ocarina every year and still think it's the best Zelda, even back-to-back with BotW. The "nostalgia glasses" argument is tired. Sometimes people just prefer certain games, regardless of how old the game is or how old they were when they first played it.

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I don't know, man. I play Ocarina every year and still think it's the best Zelda, even back-to-back with BotW. The "nostalgia glasses" argument is tired. Sometimes people just prefer certain games, regardless of how old the game is or how old they were when they first played it.

I was probably being a bit hyperbolic admittedly. But I did try to not say "actually no one" because that's never true. There's obviously going to be exceptions.

That wasn't even really my point. My point is that opinions change, and it happens fairly often. The "Seinfeld is Unfunny" rule, where something starts as something so new and innovative, that when everyone copies it, it loses its impact. That doesn't mean it isn't beloved, but it almost can't be as beloved as it was in its heyday, because things have changed because of it. And the irony is that BOTW will probably be a victim of the same thing.

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Bolt_Strike

@kkslider5552000 I can definitely see BotW falling victim to the same phenomenon in 10-20 years, there really isn't much else to the game besides "Zelda is open world now!". So if the next few Zelda games (or competing open world games) do interesting things on top of being open world just like BotW, BotW is going to start to look a bit dull.

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I'm probably not in the best position to argue the case for the Switch era being "less boring" than previous Nintendo console eras. I just generally don't have as much time for gaming as I used to so the "gaps" don't hit nearly as hard as they used to. With that said, I'd take BotW over previous Zeldas, Odyssey previous 3D Marios and New Horizons over everything except maybe New Leaf.

Smash Bros and Mario Kart? They're not ground breaking for sure but they do the job. Splatoon 2 didn't really hold my attention as much as the original did but it wasn't a brand new IP so that makes sense. I felt the same about Luigi's Mansion 3, it's also the only retail Switch game I've picked up I haven't really played much. The other being Mario Party which was.... very Mario Party.....

But there have still been some stand out releases beyond that. Astral Chain was great, an opinion from me that should shock nobody. Arms was also pretty damn good even if it's a release people seem to forget. Link's Awakening HD was, IMO, the best "remastered" release Nintendo has done.

So no.... I don't think the Switch is boring....

Just release Bayonetta 3 already....

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Pixel-Jockey19

I have a nice gaming PC and a switch and I play my switch about 50% of the time. Boring, no.

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Pixel-Jockey19 wrote:

I have a nice gaming PC and a switch and I play my switch about 50% of the time. Boring, no.

That's the problem not all games are on all platforms but we have Switch Hatin for no other reason then oh I don't like it but yet there close 300+ games for Switch so you have to ask what are they really Hatin on.

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Pokester99

As someone that owns a PC and the Switch, not a single game is worth playing on the switch unless it's an exclusive. All multiplatform games that are worth it IMO are either too blurry or have ***** frame rates.

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