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Topic: Best Switch Games - Is Metacritic Right?

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Oswinner

Always good to cross-check it with the user scores aswell, although the user scores are prone to Review Bombing (people putting in a tonne of appalling 0/10 reviews to bring a score down or 10/10 scores to bring a score up).

Here’s the switch top 25 (user scores);

1: Superliminal (9.6)
2: Gnosia (9.1)
3: Hades (9.0)
4: Crash Bandicoot 4: It’s About Time (8.9)
5: Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition (8.9)
6: Astral Chain (8.9)
7: Hollow Knight (8.9)
8: Super Mario Odyssey (8.9)
9: 9 Monkeys of Shaolin (8.8)
10: Ori and the Will of the Wisps (8.8)
11: AI: The Somnium Files (8.8)
12: A Short Hike (8.7)
13: Fire Emblem: Three Houses (8.7)
14: Katana Zero (8.7)
15: Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna - The Golden Country (8.7)
16: Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana (8.7)
17: Bayonetta + Bayonetta 2 (8.7)
18: Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (8.7)
19: Stardew Valley (8.7)
20: Legend of Zelda - Breath of the Wild (8.7)
21: Kingdoms of Amalur: Re-Reckoning (8.6)
22: DOOM Eternal (8.6)
23: Bioshock: The Collection (8.6)
24: Ring Fit Adventure (8.6)
25: Dragon Quest XI S - Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition (8.6)

As you can see, a few head scratchers on there...

Oswinner

Oswinner

Nintendo Life is probably the best (although Breath of the Wild is number one, grrrr haha)

1: Legend of Zelda - Breath of the Wild (9.62)
2: Super Mario 3D World + Bowsers Fury (9.42)
3: Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition (9.27)
4: Super Smash Bros Ultimate (9.21)
5: Super Mario Odyssey (9.18)
6: Hades (9.18)
7: Ori and the Will of the Wisps (9.18)
8: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (9.02)
9: Fire Emblem: Three House (8.99)
10: Dragon Quest XI S (8.99)
11: Hollow Knight (8.93)
12: Animal Crossing: New Horizons (8.91)
13: DOOM Eternal (8.85)
14: Luigi’s Mansion 3 (8.82)
15: Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - Complete Edition (8.82)
16: Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (8.79)
17: A Short Hike (8.79)
18: Shovel Knight: Treasure Trove (8.74)
19: Celeste (8.73)
20: Stardew Valley (8.72)
21: Steamworld: Dig 2 (8.69)
22: Splatoon 2 (8.68)
23: Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (8.68)
24: Pikmin 3 Deluxe (8.68)
25: Bayonetta 2 (8.64)

Oswinner

Matt_Barber

This is all bordering on brain dead. Review scores are pretty meaningless numbers in themselves, so aggregating them can only give a crude metric that buries a lot of important factors.

Using that ranking to compare games across wildly different genres that appeal to audiences with similarly differing tastes just seems even less appropriate.

That said, there are considerably less duffers on the Nintendo Life list, so I guess your tastes must be way more in line with mine than either the reviewers or users on metacritic.

Matt_Barber

MarioBrickLayer

@jump Steamworld Dig 2 and Dragonball Fighter Z are both in the 30's (33 and 39) on Metacritic.

@alpacatears that's a good idea, channels like BeatempUps used to hidden gem type videos too.

@WoomyNNYes I love Mario + Rabbids, one of my favourites

@Magician I'll take a look at opencritic too!

@Krull I agree, Into the Breach wasn't on my radar at all, but after seeing it on the list then looking at some reviews and gameplay, I really want to give it a go! There are a few more games on the list just like that. Did you get Divinity: Original Sin 2 from Limited Run? I missed out on that one.

@gcunit that's exactly what I was looking for, plus everyone's perspective of what the best games are is going to be different

@Mr-Fuggles777 I'll take a look at Deadly Premonition!

@Tamale I like lots of different types of games, some dislikes, but I want to give games I would skip over a go, such as Divinity Original Sin 2, I would never have considered playing that type of game in the past.

@Mountain_Man @Gimli you're both right, i'm just keen to find great games which I have missed, which if I discovered in 3 years would be unavailable physically.

MarioBrickLayer

jump

@MarioBrickLayer I miss read that and thought you were saying SteamWorld Dig and Dragonball Fighter Z got 30/100 then.

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MarioBrickLayer

@Oswinner you're right, but like you say, it's a great gauge and I have to start somewhere if i'm going to create a collection of physical games.

I hadn't considered the user list, I'll have a look.

You're right about the Nintendo Life list too, from what I have seen and read Witcher 3 and Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze are great games, but nowhere near the top 25 on Metacritic.

@Matt_Barber I know what you're saying and there is truth in what you're saying, but I've found it useful to find games I should give go, but it's not the gospel.

MarioBrickLayer

Tamale

I would suggest looking at reviews and what they actually say about the game.

Tamale

Coxula

Oswinner wrote:

Nintendo Life is probably the best (although Breath of the Wild is number one, grrrr haha)

...and Super Mario Galaxy is not even listed.
As if there exists ANY game that's better then this one

Coxula

Matt_Barber

Galaxy is a pretty good example of the limitations of Metacritic.

On the one hand, you've got a great game, that's widely held up as one of the best of all time, with a metascore of 97 for the original release. However, the 3D All Stars package rates a mere 82, rubbing shoulders with the likes of Tadpole Treble Encore.

That's despite the Switch version being basically the same game. It's not like they've borked it with unplayable controls or bad graphics either; it's just as good as ever. The problem is that the package as a whole was seen as rather lacklustre, with the other two games not quite getting the attention they deserved, a dearth of extras, and some rather disappointing marketing on the part of Nintendo by making it a time limited release.

Ultimately, there's no substitute for reading the reviews.

Matt_Barber

Rambler

Using just a mean is pretty crude when trying rank.
Having a mode to see the most common score would be useful, along with the variance of each mean to see the spread of scores.

That way you can see if game generates differing views, and possibly point towards review-bombing (esp when contrasting with critics' scores).

But what's the percentage of game owners who post scores on metacritic? I bet it's quite small.

Rambler

Oswinner

@Matt_Barber for sure. Compilations are always rated strangely. I’ve been playing the SNES and all-stars is amazing. You get 4 games in-one. Yet people rate Super World higher. I’m sorry but I’d rather have the all-stars collection if I could only have one.

I rate Galaxy better on the switch as I couldn’t stand the waggle of the Wii, yet with it coupled with 64 and sunshine it’s rated lower lol. Surely 3D-All stars is one of the best games on the switch right?

Maybe the individual games should be rated rather than the collection as a whole?

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Oswinner

jump

There's a famous quote by Roger Ebert which I can't actually remember but it's along the lines of you rate a movie for what's it's trying to do, not out of all movies. Apply that to game collections and I can see 3D All Stars not getting the top marks, it has minimal touch ups and lacks an obvious big game to include from the collection so as a collection it has shortcomings.

Edited on by jump

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PSVR_lover

I like metacrtic. I enjoy reading their reviews. Yes, they do help me decide what game to buy or not.

The PSVR is the best VR system on the market today.

bert0503

I use Metacritic a lot of times to find out about bugs/glitches or overly repetitive gameplay. I am surprised Astral Chain is not on any of these lists.

bert0503

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Oswinner

@bert0503 Astral Chain is 6th in the user scores for Metacritic.

Oswinner

Qwertyninty

Could care less about metacritic. All I know is doom eternal is not only the best port on the system but one of the best games period.

Qwertyninty

MontyCircus

New Gamer: "I just bought a new Nintendo Switch...what games should I get?"
Helpful Advice: "Just follow your heart!"
New Gamer: "But...wait...what?"

To quote a famous movie critic: "Without critics all that would be left is advertisers."

I love MetaCritic to bits. Someone mentioned that re-releases of old games get low rating scores. I just check the original scores and go by them. I treat at a "10/10" game in 1985 as a "10/10" now.

Starting at the top of the MetaCritic list and working your way down isn't a bad idea. You can do some homework, read some reviews, watch trailers and gameplay. Factor in genres you might know you like, if you want solo or multiplayer games or a good mix.

To give a movie analogy: I hate silent movies. Can't stand them, though I've tried. From Chaplin classics to recent Best Picture winner "The Artist". They just bore me to tears. Similarly, I've never been a fan of first-person shooter games, and don't have any interest in competing against anonymous strangers in online warzones.

I also like to look at not only what games won at the big award shows, but those nominated too. That gives you a lot of different games from different genres to investigate.

The NintendoLife Switch Top 50 from NintendoLife user scores is the best user ranked game list I've ever found. Each entry is that game's average score, so it's not necessarily just a list of games that sold the most copies, but best reflects the quality of the games: https://www.nintendolife.com/guides/feature-best-nintendo-swi...

MontyCircus

Matt_Barber

The best thing about Metacritic is that it gathers all the reviews in one place.

The worst thing is that hardly anyone reads them, but just goes by the scores.

User scores are particularly unreliable because games frequently get bombed for trivial reasons.

Matt_Barber

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