Topic: Rune Factory: Guardians of Azuma for NSW1/NSW2

@rallydefault I really really enjoyed it, I hope you keep on finding it fun

@kerr9000
I'm loving the gameplay loop, and the ability to assign villagers to most of the tasks helps me not feel stressed about the farming/money making stuff for the most part. I still like to visit my fields and do some stuff on my own, but yea, I'm just loving the feel of the game and the variety of things to do!

Just curious about the state of the upgrade pack. I heard its 12gb when you upgrade the s1 version and also 12gb when you want to play the s2 version. Apparently a bug or something.

Does the 12gb patch remain stored on console if you have the s2 card?

Yeah, it does. A couple of months ago I tested whether Marvelous or Nintendo had actually fixed this issue, so I deleted the 12 GB download which was downloaded when I first put the cartridge in the console in June, then put the cartridge back in... But nothing had been fixed, if I wanted to get the actual content updates to the game, again I had to download the whole 12 GB package, even though most of that data is already on the cartridge. It doesn't seem Marvelous has been in any hurry to try to fix the problem either, because the exact same thing happened later with the Switch 2 physical version of The Story of Seasons: Grand Bazaar, which forced a 5 GB download (for a game whose total size is 8 GB) even though the cartridge was in.

The issue seems to be related to games where the Switch 2 cartridge also has the Switch 1 version and can be used in Switch 1, since the same thing also happened with the Switch 2 version of Hades II, which does a 5 GB update for a 10 GB game. So it seems that the Switch 2 reads the Switch 1 data from the cartridge but for some reason cannot read the Switch 2 upgrade data, forcing a huge download even though the same data is already on the cartridge. Whereas with Cyberpunk 2077, which doesn't have a Switch 1 version, there been no such massive download, the updates have only included data that's not on the cartridge.

@Polvasti oh, didn't known the issue was so widespread
Reason I was asking, I can get the s1 physical plus upgrade for cheaper than the s2 version atm.
And since I am bound to download the 12gb patch anyway I might as well go the s1 route.
First world problems...

@Polvasti it would appear all s2 editions need to download the upgrade.
Just launched prime 4 and the upgrade landed in storage

@SuperEndriu That's interesting, how large was the update for Prime 4? The only Nintendo-published physical games I've bought for the Switch 2 are Bananza and Age of Imprisonment, which obviously aren't S2 editions since they don't work on the original Switch, so I didn't know even Nintendo's own games suffer from the same issue.

@Polvasti 2.1 gb
Its labelled as the s2 edition upgrade.

So the only upside of a s2 edition is id u sell the game u sell it with the upgrade. If u ourchase the upgrade digitally - the upgrade will be yours forever.

It is what it is

@SuperEndriu Well, at least the size of the upgrade download isn't two thirds of the entire game, as it is with Azuma. But it's still disappointing. I think this issue deserves it's own separate thread, so I'm gonna start one.

@SuperEndriu
I own two S2/S1 edition carts: Azuma and Grand Bazaar.

I declined to download the patch for both when I first inserted the cartridge with my auto updates disabled, and I was able to play the S2 versions of those games straight from the cart without any downloading.

When you first inserted the Prime 4 cartridge, did you try to decline the prompt to download while your auto updates were disabled?

@rallydefault I didnt disable anything. It just downloaded

@SuperEndriu
Wow, it just downloaded? It didn't even prompt you with the usual "Start Software," "Download," or "Cancel" prompt?

@rallydefault huh? What usual? I never get any prompts

@SuperEndriu
When you put a cartridge into a Switch for the very first time, if it has a patch a message will come up telling you that “an update is available for the game and the update will download now.”

But, there will be three options under that message: Start Software, Download, and Cancel.

If you select Start Software while you’ve disabled automatic software updates in your settings, you’re essentially telling your Switch to not download any updates and just play the game from the cartridge.

But if you select Download, even just that one time, your Switch will download the update and will forever remember that you did, even if you erase all the download and save data, so any future time you put that cartridge back in, it will force you to have the most current version.

Cancel does nothing and just takes you back to the menu.

@rallydefault, I know this isn't really related to the topic of the thread, but is there a way to make the software or system update available menu go away and not pop up every single time I try to access a game (except maybe disconnecting the console from the internet)? Because when the Switch 1 system update V 21.0.1 came out, I managed to hold off for a few days, but that pop-up kept... well... popping up (💀) every single time I pressed the A button on a game to enter my profile and play it, and after a few days, I accidentally pressed "update" and was so mad afterward. Maybe I need to experiment with the internet settings a bit the next time a new system update is released.

@Nep-Nep-Freak
I’m not sure on the hardware update side of things because I usually do hardware updates right away. But if I wait a few days, like you said, it will ask me every single time I’m trying to boot a game or even go resume back into a suspended game.

Now, on the software side of things, I’ve found that if I decline a software update and just play from the cartridge, it won’t ask me every time I go into the game as long as I’m suspending that software, not fully closing it, and putting my Switch in sleep mode instead of shutting it off.

I also keep my Switch in airplane mode when handheld (can’t do it in the dock, so yea lol) mostly because of battery but also because I do think it limits those download messages.

I don’t think it matters, but I disabled the profile sign-in thing whenever I start a game, too.

@rallydefault, thanks for the tips! Again, I'll probably do some experimenting, especially since I intend on factory resetting my original Switch whenever I get a Switch 2.

@Nep-Nep-Freak
No problem! It was pretty cool to learn how much control you can have over what your Switch downloads, but the trick is that it will always remember if you mess up and do any kind of initial download for a software patch, a hardware update, etc. It won’t let you roll back versions unless you do a full system wipe or some brewing of the home variety.

Haven't broken the seals on mine but need to look into the Switch2 upgrade first since I didn't want the GKC version. Now I have to go find where I stored the game at as well.

@larausjarod
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but there is no GKC version of Azuma. The Switch 2 edition has all the data for both versions on the cartridge.