Topic: Mario Kart World

I am 110% with you friend. I could not agree more with everything you wrote!

Vio yes its that old guard that Isn't there anymore that maybe wasn't shy in saying when things weren't right. After Reggie left you could sense things changing,

Can anyone truly say Mario Kart World is a better experience than Mario Kart 8?

@OmnitronVariant

Gameboy was the first Nintendo i owned, when i was about 11 years old there was a kid a year younger than me in our street that rented out his NES for 1 pound every day , he was saving up to buy Mario Bros 3, thats when i first got to play the SMB since those days great game after great game, these days though it seems the end product has lost its magic.

I've not played Mario Kart World so can't comment on its quality, but to me Nintendo has the same magic it had when I was a kid playing snes. Recent games like Bananza, Zelda Echoes of Wisdom, Mario Wonder, and Peach Showtime have that amazing combination of creativity, (mostly) polish, and just being a joy to play that I always hope for from Nintendo's main franchises. It sounds like some of your gripes are more indicative of your personal preferences and less of a design philosophy change by Nintendo.

That said, Nintendo has had plenty of misses throughout the decades and perhaps Mario Kart World is one of those given the somewhat mixed response to it. But I'm definitely not worried about Nintendo even if one generally-iterative sub-franchise doesn't have a masterpiece this gen. Switch 1 had so many masterpieces that it will inevitably be hard to follow up on them and some experiments will end up better than others. But I do think the fact that they experimented with Mario Kart World rather than doing the safe route of 'MK8D but fancier' is generally positive even though the game ended up being something I wasn't personally interested in enough to buy.

@vio
What are you talking about? The online system gives the options of tracks well over 50% of the time now.

@HalfAWorldAway
Well, take it or leave it, but I'm part of the "old guard" too. I'm 40. I grew up with Nintendo and had all the old systems. I just beat Capcom's (excellent) Tail Spin for the millionth on my original GameBoy a couple days ago lol

Games in general have ALL changed across the board, but Nintendo's design philosophy hasn't really changed all that much, especially when held up against pretty much any other company.

And frankly, the stuff you and @OmnitronVariant are saying about World aren't even true... makes me wonder if you've even put a decent amount of time into the game.

For me, World is the better game. The tracks themselves are still just as good (some better, some worse... that's how all Mario Karts go) as all the others. @OmnitronVariant is talking like the avenues are double-wide or something in the actual tracks, which is totally false. They feel the same to me, and have way more shortcut opportunities than any of the tracks in 8 have. When you put in the time to actually learn how to do the new wall rides and jump tricks, this game has a higher skill ceiling than anything 8 can offer. If you're invested enough to see that (which it's fine if you're not, we're just talking about video games lol), go on Youtube and look at Shortcat's 20-minute video detailing all the shortcuts in Whistlestop Summit. Seriously, go take a look at it and tell me this game doesn't allow for more skill than 8.

And I love the open world. I like the challenges, I like how they fleshed out a little nook in Mario's universe - it's cool to see. I don't know why people keep turning their noses up at it. It's like you've all forgotten how to just enjoy games - everything needs to be packed to the brim with exactly what you want, 100%, or else the game is terrible.

As part of the old guard, that's what is most sad to me.

(P.S. - @OmnitronVariant, Bananza is AMAZING)

@vio i'll leave you alone on the sauce thing, but mentioning reggie in any capacity here is like that dunkey joke of reggie making every video game despite just being a president.

@OmnitronVariant could you please expand on what you mean? because i can't see any world where bananza is "dull". and dunking on mechanics feel silly when if anything both games provide more to allow you to get better and faster than previous equivalents.

@vio @HalfAWorldAway I get wanting to have discussion about games, and looking at the pros and cons. But genuinely, if you cannot stand Mario Kart World, you can just.... Stop interacting with it. Don't play it, stay out of forums full of racers, don't watch YT videos on it..... It is not that difficult to just not click when you see something about this game — and as an added bonus, those of us who are neutral/positive about it can actually enjoy it more instead of repeatedly being told "open world bad"

@OmnitronVariant
Dude, anything that isn’t your opinion is “dismissive” to you.

You need to step back and look at the big picture. More people than not really like Bananza. It’s a great game. You’re in the vast minority on that one.

MK World is more split, but if you hop off the internet for a sec (good advice for all of us from time to time), I would wager most people enjoy it. It’s a fun game, and it’s gonna keep getting better.

New games, old games - doesn’t matter. Some are fun, some aren’t, etc.

@squiddu-real Say what you want about Reggie, but he was the charismatic leader Nintendo needed. He was also the man who convinced the big wigs in Japan to include Wii Sports as a pack in title. Now we're being charged 10 bucks for frickin' Welcome Tour! The Iwata/Reggie era Nintendo was about delivering value to the customers. Modern Nintendo has sadly become about nickle and diming us. Hell, remember Nintendo Selects? Now games like Odyssey and BotW are still full price 8-9 years after release.

@CaleBoi25 I already stated I am not currently playing it nor do I watch YouTube videos of it. However I am not going to stay out forums "full of racers"(whatever that means). I have not attacked anyone for liking the game, merely stated my opinions and disappointment with it. If anything I would suggest you stay off of forums if you're not willing to read negative opinions you don't agree with. Anyone who's been on online for more than a week knows this is how the internet works. There's an old saying, but I have to censor it here unfortunately. It's "Opinions are like [censored], everyone's got one."

@vio this is a grossly ignorant view of that era of nintendo. you may have gotten more deals in some areas, specifically by the wii u's time, but they were not all about value, and i was someone who grew up smack dab in the middle of that era.

i don't think cale's issue is you having a negative opinion, rather seemingly hunting down multiple opportunities just to say "open world bad" for the 2 billionth time without anything else to add. criticizing the game is totally fine, but when you seem to keep finding opportunities to bring up the same issues over and over, to a point you gotta wonder if it's worth bringing up to begin with..

@vio Reggie was such a charismatic leader, he did so much! I mean, he made Wii Sports a pack-in title! Geez he did a lot. Ooh, like making Wii Sports a pack-in! And he even convinced Nintendo make Wii Sports a pack-in game!! I'm being facetious, but good golly that literally all people ever bring up about him lol.
As far as being unwilling to read agreements with which I disagree, that's not the issue. The issue is people repeatedly coming to forums full of people who play a certain game just to dis said game. It's getting old (btw, that's what I meant by "forums full of racers" idk why I worded it like that but that was what I was trying to covey lol), and it's not enjoyable for anyone involved.

@vio
Woof. You sound pretty desperate.

@squiddu-real Comparatively speaking, they were definitely more about value in the Gamecube through Wii U eras than they are now and I strongly believe a lot of that can be attributed to the old leadership. I understand they are a business and exist to generate revenue like all businesses do, but it seems they can't even throw us a bone lately.

So I thought maybe I had forgotten what I wrote yesterday, but I went back and looked over my recent comments, and I did not say a single word about open world in any of them. I don't know if you’re confusing me with someone else, but really?? 🙄Furthermore, my issues with MKW go far beyond just the open world crap.

@vio even if you didn't just mention open world the general point was there's no point in bringing up your distaste over and over if you're not gonna bring anything more substantial than stuff a billion other people have brought up with zero nuance. no need to repeat it again and again, we all saw the first and second time, please wait until the next update.

also cease that eyeroll emoji or [deleted: flaming/arguing]

first applied to Mario Kart World

see what i mean we actually agree, its not perfect

Don't get me wrong its a cool experience but only for a short time, everything feels the same no matter where you are on the map.

Sorry but its impossible to ignore it, its so baked into the experience.

This is the attitude you get when you have a differing opinion, instead of being open to discussion and talking about the pros and cons of a title we are greeting with this " Stop interacting with it. Don't play it, stay out of forums full of racers, don't watch YT videos on it"

This is the extremes we are faced with on forums, if you don't like it then leave mentality, no common courtesy, no respect, can't see views from others and accept they may be different.

@squiddu-real No one is saying Open World is a bad thing in this game, but its the way its implimented, is it Open World for the sake of being Open World or is it doing something new?, for me its not doing anything new that hasn't already been done, Burnout Paradise done all this 15 plus years ago, it was great then, but whats the hook with this new MK game thats gonna wow those that expect excellence from Nintendo.

I'm hoping there will be DLC coming in the future that will provide new experience and take advantage of the Open World thats available.

@HalfAWorldAway see my previous comment for explaining what cale said. it's totally modern internet forum mentality to immediately assume they meant "literally never talk about it if you don't like it"

also i have already said my piece on open world on these forums, i liked it but it definitely could've done with more connective tissue to make it more engaging and worthwhile.