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Tasuki

Well the first meeting of the Wednesday Night Wars goes to AEW as reported by several media outlets. I figured as much since it was their debut on TNT so I figured alot more people would tune in for curiosity's sake if nothing more. I will be more interested to see how they are doing as the weeks and months go by.

Overall it was a good show probably one of the best wrestling shows I have seen in a long time. My biggest nitpick was it seemed they had way to many commercials, maybe its me since it's been a long time since I watched regular TV. The one commercial break that bugged me the most was the first one when Jericho jumped Cody after the Cody/Guevarra match. It seemed the whole beat down happened during the break. We see Jericho jump Cody then there is a break and when the come back they do one spot where Cody goes into chairs and that's it.

As far as matches go they were really good. The MJF one seemed like they cut it short and there were some scary botches in the Nyla/Riho match one in particular where Nyla looked like she didn't have a good grip on Michael Nakazawa and went to powerbomb him and almost dropped him on his head. 🤪. I was surprised about AEW's latest acquisition and hope he does well here.

All in all though this is a great time to be a wrestling fan I have already seemed some fanboy stuff going on in forums and such stuff like why are people comparing AEW and NXT it should be AEW vs Raw and stuff like that when they see the numbers but obviously people are going to compare NXT to AEW since that the way WWE set it up.

Production was top notch and it was good to hear Tony Schivonnie on the mic again brought back some WCW memories. Now I don't know if I will be watching NXT maybe if they get some of the big names like they did with Balor who get buried on the main shows I might time in but as of now probably not.

So what did you think of the Wednesday Night Wars @the_shpydar

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They went all out to make last year's Hell In A Cell finish look decent lol

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Due to time constraints, this is the most out I’ve been on pro rasslin since my last hiatus from 05-10. Which is why I’ve suddenly become an NWA Powerrr fan. Even with a packed schedule, I can find an hour a week to give to rasslin, and what an hour NWA provides! I just love it. Studio shows were a huge part of my fandom growing up, and it just hits all the right notes for me. It looks and feels so different from anything else right now, it’s like a breath of fresh air for me. It feels old and new all at once, and the way they’re embracing their differences from the other promotions really works for me. Just fantastic. Anyone else watching?

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Genrou

So this is my wrestling schedule at the moment.

Tuesday-- Impact
Wednesday — AEW Dynamite
Thursday — AEW Dark
Saturday — NJPW

I could watch WWE but honestly I havent been interested it in years and I wouldn't mind NWA but with a full time job and other hobbies (gaming) I just don't have the time. With what I am watching now I feel I get more then enough wrestling, which I am glad to have the alternative to WWE.

Impact though is interesting it seems to me like they are trying to get the attention of the attitude era fans with their storylines and characters (One wrestler using a other wrestlers wife, a guy with a porn star gimmick. RVD, Ryno, Ken Shamrock). I also find it funny that Impact takes stabs at AEW, RVD calling out Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks and then current champion Sami Callahan saying he doesn't do "A bit of the bubbly" which is an obvious jab at Jericho but they so far haven't taken any jabs at WWE.

Makes me wonder if they are more afraid of AEW and see AEW as a bigger threat to them or they feel like they can't compete with WWE so they figure best not to piss them off.

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Tasuki

Well it looks like the latest inductees for the Triple H Fan Club aka WWE Hall of Fame have been announced. Dave Batista and The NWO will be headlining the 2020 edition.

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Tasuki

NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 14 started yesterday and continues today. The big story is the Jushin Ligers retirement match is tonight.

Also Jericho with be facing Tanashi tonight and Tanashi wins he gets a future match with Jericho for the AEW Championship. Interesting enough Tanashi isn't on the AEW roster but according to what I read he challenged Jericho for the AEW Championship. Jericho asked the Khan family and they told him well you're champion if you want to put it on the line that's up to. I just found it interesting that they let him do that.

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the_shpydar

They're basically just building up a working relationship between AEW and NJPW, much like NJPW has had with ROH and others in the past. Moxley was working WK14 too and even won their US title on night 1 (though i won't be surprised if he drops it to Juice Robinson on night 2). AEW has said that they want to try and have partnerships with other promotions (like how the Lucha Bros. defended the AAA tag titles on one of the early AEW PPVs), not unlike how WCW used to have a working relationship with Japanese promotions back in the day. Not to mention i believe some of the Japanese female wrestlers (including AEW's current champ Riho) are technically part-time with AEW, while also working smaller Japanese promotions (Riho i know also wrestles for Stardom over there). It's definitely a smart business-move for everyone involved.

Meanwhile, it's annoying that NJPW is no longer on AXS, since AXS was bought by IMPACT's parent company, and they evidently weren't able to come to terms to continue that relationship and keep NJPW on the network. Boo.

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Tasuki

@the_shpydar I didn't know that AXS no longer showed NJPW I actually haven't been keeping up with watching it due to my work schedule being changed and having to work Saturday nights now, but it makes sense since they have Impact now. I ended up caving in and getting a sub for NJPW World (basically NJPW "network") and been getting my NJPW fix that way.

I heard that NJPW has plans to expand to the US more in 2020 so a relationship with AEW makes perfect sense.

As for WK14 I am currently watching the first night on NJ World so I will post my thoughts later. Best match so far the Ospery match without a doubt.

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Tasuki

So my thoughts on WK 14. All around a great show. Even the matches I weren't to interested in were sold matches. The best two matches of the whole event to me was the Ospery match the first night and the Double Championship match on the second night. Jericho's match wasn't to bad either and I would have loved to see him lose but all is good. I did find it funny though that on NJW they changed Jericho's music to some generic heavy metal song instead of Judas by Today then to have a Music changed due to rights issues scroll across the screen was hilarious. If Jericho doesn't own his own music then who does? 😂.

The Liger retirement match was another good one and I have yet to see his farewell celebration but it's always sad to see a legend hang up their boots.

Overall though WK 14 will go down as one of the best wrestling events I have seen in a long time.

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ive been so morbidly behind on wrestling with life but with a recent move and my dad being sick and him asking for stuff to read i've recently found some of his old magazines, he has one from i wanna say 69-70 with mil mascaras on the cover lol.
i remember him having old vhs' of "best of" matches of like JYD, andre the giant, hillbilly jim, etc too.

random but yes i'm new, nice to meet yall relatively life long (outside mid 2000s i suppose) fan lol here. how are yall? mainly follow nwa & aew when i can (with sprinklings of who i like from elsewhere mainly guys/gals like the fiend, asuka, naito, mia yim, marty scurll, etc).

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I watched Vice's Dark Side of the Mat tonight which focused on the Benoit tradegy and wow what an emotional episode. It was very interesting though her the whole story for the first time.

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I think this is the most interested I’ve been in the MITB holders for years. Asuka has been on fire lately and this gives her a chance to scream Japanese whilst dancing more and Otis is building on momentum something they never did with the likes of Rusev. I genuinely want to watch what these two are gonna do.

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Tasuki

I haven't watched WWE since last year's WrestleMania, it didn't even bother me that I missed this year's. I have been really enjoying All Elite Wrestling though and that fills my need of wrestling quite nice. I am also not happy with they way Vince McMahon is treating his employees as of late especially after the diaster that was WrestleMania which was his own fault because he refused to cancel it.

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Tasuki wrote:

the diaster that was WrestleMania which was his own fault because he refused to cancel it.

I disagree with 'mania being a disaster. It was one of the better received 'mania of recent years, created new stars & main eventers and has encouraged growth with their cinematic matches.

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Tasuki

@jump Well.of course it created new stars and main eventers, they had to after they gutted the locker room like they did. As for cinematic matches yes they were good from what I heard but IMO they should only be used on occasion use them too often and they will lose there appeal. But I forgot Vince is in the entertainment business not the wrestling business.

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Tasuki wrote:

jump Well.of course it created new stars and main eventers, they had to after they gutted the locker room like they did. As for cinematic matches yes they were good from what I heard but IMO they should only be used on occasion use them too often and they will lose there appeal. But I forgot Vince is in the entertainment business not the wrestling business.

So how is it a disaster then? Tbh it sounds more like you want to attack WWE because you're AEW fan rather than 'manias was a disaster or WWE is evil. AEW aren't a clean as people would like to make out, not offering health insurance to their wrestlers, still wrestling despite the lockdown including having high risk people like Arn & JR on set etc and there's flaws in the product like a rubbish women's division, commentators not knowing their wrestlers' names and pushing people too quickly to be title challengers despite having a ranking system. Even the claim AEW is wrestling and not sports entertainment doesn't hold up when they have aliens (Statlander is amazing tho), dinosaurs and other corny gimmicks walking about.

There's room for more than one promotion in the world and for fans to enjoy more than one promotion. I watch AEW, WWE and New Japan, occasionally I even watch the odd Impact PPV.

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Tasuki

@jump And here we go because I enjoy AEW I must hate WWE and be anti WWE.

I have been a fan of WWE for years even back during the Monday Night Wars so no I am not anti WWE or hate WWE. I will say I am anti Vince and don't like how he runs things. Still wrestling despite the Lockdown??? Ummm Vince did that too.

Vince won't let the wrestlers form unions, he stifles creativity and basically does what he wants even if others tell him no. Pushing Roman Reigns years ago when it was clearly not what the fans wanted. His constantly holding people like Ceasaro, Rusev and Dean Ambrose back and force feeding us John Cena. Warehousing wrestlers so they can't join rivial promotions. And then of course firing employees some who were there for years because of fiances but the day before he's able to give the Governor of Florida a bribe to let him continue to do live shows in a lockdown. Not only that but add to that what he did to the XFL.

Don't get me wrong I watch WWE and enjoy it but as long as Vince is in control I don't enjoy it. Now if he would step down (like the would happen) and let Triple H run WWE without interfering then I would be watching it right along with AEW.

So no I am not anti WWE I am anti Vince McMahon.

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Tasuki wrote:

@jump And here we go because I enjoy AEW I must hate WWE and be anti WWE.

I can't imagine why I thought you were anti-WWE.

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I have been a fan of WWE for years even back during the Monday Night Wars so no I am not anti WWE or hate WWE. I will say I am anti Vince and don't like how he runs things. Still wrestling despite the Lockdown??? Ummm Vince did that too.

Vince won't let the wrestlers form unions, he stifles creativity and basically does what he wants even if others tell him no. Pushing Roman Reigns years ago when it was clearly not what the fans wanted. His constantly holding people like Ceasaro, Rusev and Dean Ambrose back and force feeding us John Cena. Warehousing wrestlers so they can't join rivial promotions. And then of course firing employees some who were there for years because of fiances but the day before he's able to give the Governor of Florida a bribe to let him continue to do live shows in a lockdown. Not only that but add to that what he did to the XFL.

Don't get me wrong I watch WWE and enjoy it but as long as Vince is in control I don't enjoy it. Now if he would step down (like the would happen) and let Triple H run WWE without interfering then I would be watching it right along with AEW.

So no I am not anti WWE I am anti Vince McMahon.

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Tasuki

@jump Again not Anti-WWE just Anti-Vince. The athletes are amazing and some of them will be legends, but let's face facts alot of them are under utilized. Nakamura should have been WWE Champion by now, same with Caesaro and a few others. Vince screwed the pooch when it came to Dean Ambrose just because he didn't fit his image of a WWE champ.

Alot of his decisions is what he wants, not what the fans or the workers want but what he wants.

I loved NXT how it stories were and such when Triple H was allowed to run it how he saw fit bit then Vince had to go and get involved and now look at it. Charolette as NXT Woman's champion??? WTF your telling me that none of those woman in NXT deserved it so they had to bring Charolette from Smackdown back because Vince wants her to beat her daddy's record???

Anyway I am not going to continue cause at this point I am just repeating myself and if you didn't get it the first time your not going to get it at all.

But just cause I don't like the owner doesn't meant I don't like the product in general.

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