Topic: system war ps2 vs gamecube

Will you guys please stop trying to stop discussion from occurring in topics?

As for the topic, I'll go with 3DS for now since I don't own a Vita. When and if I do, we'll see if that changes.

3ds.

@Oddy when that conversation derails threads endlessly, it gets old fast. . I apologize if it offends you in any way.

It doesn't offend me, but I'd rather see some interesting discussions going on instead of just "3ds" or "vita."

3DS for me. I don't own a Vita, though (there are certainly games for it I'm interested in though, so maybe one day I'll be able to get one).

3DS for now but think Vita may have a better future

Nothing in the rules state that we are not allowed to have a discussion. Nothing can grow from people just saying one word at a time.

And Vita. The only real enjoyment I've gotten out of my 3DS was MK7, and that got old pretty quick. The Vita just has a lot for me that I'm interested in.

You poor man. I feel your pain...

3DS, because poverty.
I'm still holding out for the good stuff (in terms of games).

I don't think there's anyone on the planet who believes Nintendo invented buttons. But thanks for setting them straight just in case.

Exactly. When it comes to changing things up in the console space you can usually count on Nintendo. Even Microsoft has been more of a contributor to console gaming than Sony. What great innovations has Sony given console gamers? Movies and proprietary memory cards? Which brings us to the tragically overpriced PS Vita. It has proprietary memory cards (let it go Sony), a touch screen (finally), and as for its game plan I'd have to agree with the Forbes article Too Much, Too Late.

The 3DS on the other hand is nearly half the cost of the PS Vita. It uses standard SD cards. And even though the 3DS has not been out that long, it already has a lot of games. You can argue dedicated gaming handhelds are becoming obsolete due to $40 retail games and whatnot, but the 3DS and Vita are in the same boat there. I vote 3DS.

Eh I haven't used the Vita yet, so 3DS.

When it comes to changing things up in the console space you can usually count on Nintendo.

By copying other companies and then pulling some marketing magic on a bunch or rabid fans.

Let's look at the Wii U, shall we? Take 1) HD console (yep, pretty sure those existed before), add 2) Touch screen tablet with buttons (I can get an iPad and stickytape buttons to it too. Nintendo should totally employ me to its R & D lab), and let people play games where the tablet and TV screen "talk" to one another wirelessly (yep, let's steal from Sony and Apple while we're at it).

But we'll tell the Nintendo fans that it's innovative, so the kids will go out on forums and viciously defend the console against those mean market analysts and financial-types that can see through the Jobsian Reality Distortion Field.

Thankfully the size of that rabid fanbase is shrinking so Nintendo might actually have to be innovative next time to hang on to that undeserved reputation.

Oh, and the 3DS? Take Nintendo's own old technology, and package it up with an analogue nub (copying Sony) and glasses-free 3D technology (Sharp technology, later proven to be a useless gimmick). Throw in an inferior online shopping experience, a Jobsian Reality Distortion Field and BANG! Innovation!

I'm not saying Sony is any better than Nintendo (though my personal preference is the Vita > 3DS), but call a spade a spade. Nintendo's "innovation" relies entirely on other companies coming up with technology for Nintendo to repackage. It's the business equivilant of handing in an essay that you've copy/ pasted from a few Wikipedia pages. It'll get you a pass (assuming that no one calls you out on it), but you wouldn't deserve a reputation for pulling together awesome innovative research, either.

Well if the tech existed before Nintendo then why didn't more companies do that innovation besides one or 2 companies before it, they may not invent it but when they use it everyone follows, like the announcement of the 3DS, Sony started halting out 3D compatable PS3 games after, even if the PS3 could do it before the 3DS the reality people don't usually use said tech until Nintendo does it right, that's where there innovative, and IDC if you say other wise or im a blind fanboy, I haven't seen StreetPass used much before 3D now I'm seeing it in the Vita, I haven't seen much glasses free 3D until after April 2010 when Nintendo announced the 3DS, I haven't seen much motion controls until after 2006, I haven't seen much rumble paks in games until after the N64, I haven't seen many wireless controllers until after the wave bird, they may not be the FIRST but the pave the path, therefor innovative for other companies to follow

It amazes me that Nintendo's loyal fans seem to think "their" company is so important that anyone actually cares what they do.

Sony implemented 3D into the PS3 because it is trying to sell 3D TV sets. You know, one of the other devices Sony makes. It still would have happened whether Nintendo made its own 3D console or not, because Sony was already invested in 3D technology.

StreetPass is not in the Vita in any way, at all. Near is an entirely different technology that is closer to a copy of a GPS system than Streetpass. Glass-free technology existed in Japan well before the launch of the 3DS. Fujitsu made a glasses-free 3D photo camera, for instance, that I played with a year before the 3DS launched.

Motion control interactivity has existed since the flipping TV Remote. That is relatively primitive compared to the WiiMote, but then the WiiMote is primitive compared to Move, and apparently Sony isn't innovative with Move, so Nintendo doesn't get to be innovative with the WiiMote. The same goes for wireless controllers - remote controllers existed in everyday use for years before they came to gaming. I was playing with a remote-controlled car 20-odd years ago.

Watching TV is gaming? Seriously it's easier to name 20 things that came out after Nintendo announce said tech then it is to name 20 things that came before said tech.

I'm gonna go with the 3DS on this current discussion. Yeah, the Vita has all of the console games. Yeah, it has better online capabilities. Yeah, it has a real chance of bringing major competition to the handheld marketplace.

The 3DS still has Kid Icarus: Uprising. That game, to me, is the reason that I play video games.

EDIT: On the subject of "Copying Ideas"; stop arguing about originality and start arguing about who you feel does it right. While it is historically significant to keep in mind the originators, using those as basis for argument does not work in your favor.

On this discussion of innovation, isn't it the games themselves that determine the value of innovation, as well as innovate themselves? I found Motostorm to be a pretty innovative franchise when it came out, as well as Ratchet and Clank. Both are exclusive to Sony. It doesn't matter if a past control setup was used: it's the game itself that is what matters. The thing that most critics thought about Ocarina of Time that was considered innovative Z-targeting, which was a gameplay concept, not a controller concept.

My two cents anyway.

15 - 3 3ds won

ps2 vs gamecube
ps2: 1
gc: 0
ps2 had better game all i have to say

Gamecube. Luigi's mansion.