Can someone clear these questions about the MiB up for me? 1. The only thing the MiB ever wanted was to leave the island. If Jacob was trying to keep him away from "the light" then why was it a problem if he left? 2. The MiB never broke any rules, even though Jacob did. (Ex: They weren't supposed to hurt each other.) And he was still the evil one. 3. Why does he steal dead peoples bodies? 4. Does he have a name? 5. And probably no one knows the answer to this one but here it is: How did he turn into black smoke after going down the whole.
No. The afterlife-universe wasn't fixed in time (or even taking place in a real "time" at all), meaning that whenever they died they ended up there. For example, Boone died in Season 1 while Sayid died in Season 6, but both of their consciousnesses arrived at the same point in the afterlife-universe, regardless of when they died.
Everything that happened on the Island actually happened, all the way up to the point of Jack's death. What happened in the "real world" after Jack's death, we don't know, except that Hurley became the New Jacob and Ben the New Richard (of sorts), and that Kate, Sawyer, Miles, Richard, Claire and Lapidus lived and escaped the Island.
All of the survivors eventually died (as Jack's dad said, "Everyone dies eventually") sometime afterwards, and then were brought to the afterlife-universe before moving on.
It's a little complicated (some people have a difficult time wrapping their minds around the relativistic-time nature of the afterlife-universe), but hope i explained it decently.
These, of course, are theories, but grounded in what we've been shown ...
1. Clearly something happened when MIB was thrown into the light, seemingly making MIB some sort of evil force. Jacob would not let him leave as it would presumably unleash this evil into the rest of the World. MIB also -- originally, at least -- sought to use "The Light" in order to leave, something that we can assume would be some sort of perversion of "The Light" or perhaps jeopardize it altogether.
2. The "who is evil, who is good" debate can go back and forth, but I don't seem to remember Jacob killing Mother (real mother or no, she raised them and was their mother). Pretty stone cold evil right there.
3. He likes the feel of the ground under his feet, it reminds him of being human. He said as much to Ben in the penultimate episode. Of course, he's also taken certain forms to manipulate people.
4. Bob. No, he doesn't have a name (Darlton i think did that intentionally) in the show; but i think it's probably safe to assume however that he does have a name in-story (it's unlikely he went unnamed by Mother).
5. A wizard did it. xD My thoughts are that it was somewhat of a "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" allegory; that Man was not meant to enter The Light (eat from The Tree), lest it only lead to disaster. A very loose allegory, but i think that basic concept is in there. Or something like "Light + Man = Creation of Evil". Or something like that. Yeah.
EDIT: RE: Mr. Eko Well, in real life yes -- the actor reportedly clashed with many of the main cast members and producers (which led to him being written out of the show), so i imagine they weren't keen to bring him back for the Finale.
Thank you for explaining all that! I cant say the ending was what I would of wanted, but kinda knowing what it meant will help me digest it a little better.
Any reason not everyone from the very begginning was at the church???
I think the point of the afterlife-universe was not only so that they could all find each other again, but so they could work out any issues they had in life (in a Purgatory-like concept), like Jack having a son helping him work through the issues he had with his father, or Ben being able to be the good man and father-figure for Alex that he always truly wanted deep down. That also explains why some characters aren't "ready yet" -- they haven't worked through whatever they need to work through -- and also explains why Ben decided to stay in the AU, feeling he still had work to do to atone for all the evil he had done.
The Church was the assembly point once they were ready to go; Desmond obviously helped speed up the process once he realized the nature of the AU.
hmm... that sounds like a pretty good theory! So all the characters will end up making to the church to "move on" you think? And where exactly are they moving onto? Heaven? Are they all going in together?
The morning after the night before, and I am surprised (or am I?) to look around the internet and see so many people using terms like purgatory and afterlife. I won't be looking to such explanations, I saw something completely different. And that is what is astonishing about the finale, each will interpret it in their own way.
I really thought/think it was ridiculous. Sure, they gave it a "happy" ending, but they showed they really had no idea how to direct/write a show with how this season went.
I don't think anything that happened on the island mattered, nor did this season's "alternate" life stories matter...because they were DEAD!
Seriously. If they were all dead, how did Jack get calls about the casket? What about Eloise asking Desmond if they were "taking" her son? None of it really matters. The numbers, the island, the hydrogen bomb, the Dharma, the Others, Charles Widmore, Hurley seeing dead people, Miles hearing dead people, time travel, Tom, the button, and last...Walt.
Intriguing idea Machu......would explain Eloise a bit in my mind.
I have to agree with post# 363 though. Shypdar seems to be right in line with my thinking. Thank you for not throwing around the word "heavan" The stained-glass window showing all the religious symbols of the world was a nice touch. Also the line "Cristian Shepherd... really?".
Did you notice all the corpses around the "pool"? I think the battle to pull the plug has been going since the beggining of time.
I'm uneasy with the term afterlife, I mean, what is after life? Some would say Heaven, but what is that, if not just another reality. Some would say there was nothing, but Lost showed dead characters moving to... another reality.
JayArr, I loved the scenes in the 'well'. I didn't get the specific answers I was hoping for, but I was given a true sense of it's origin and power.
In fact, the whole episode was a cut-above, and was a fan's wet-dream. I can't wait to watch it again later.
I'm using "After-Life" as a very loose term. We could sit here and debate or theorize about the meta-physical realm for days. Though I believe you are right Machu, the after-life is just another reality. Depending on your beliefs it could even mean rebirth through reincarnation. I like how the show left it open enough to for everyone to put their own translation to it. One could even find a scientific explanation if they wanted.
One could even find a scientific explanation if they wanted.
I'm trying to! The Man of Science is having a discussion with the Man of Faith, and they are working hard to find a compromise. For six seasons I have been told this story had nothing to do with purgatory. Was I a fool to believe that? I guess so. [edit: No Machu, they denied that The Island was purgatory, that's all]
Whatever happened, happened!
And now we can spend weeks, months, years, looking for explanation and meaning.
edit: so... I've spent all day questioning and fighting the idea of purgatory. I don't like it, and quite honestly it would have ruined the show for me. Seeing it being widely accepted around the net as just that, has been troubling to say the least. But... I have hope, and now I'm starting to form some idea of how science (fiction) can explain the ATL, and give it more meaning to me.
Good old Imaginary Space and Time. Faraday to the rescue. I shall be revisiting all the Desmond episodes over the next few days. No way was he transported to the afterlife when he was zapped by Widmore. It was an alternate reality created by Jughead (perhaps). I need to watch it again and do more thinking. IT WILL MAKE SENSE TO ME!!! I mean, just because a church floods with daylight and is followed by a white-out (for production purposes), it does not necessarily mean what people are assuming. The church they were in was the same church that housed the The Lamp-Post Station (?), which of course, was above a pocket of my old friend exotic matter. Anyway, I'll stop thinking out loud, for now.
edit edit: I've just watched it again, and you'll be pleased to hear that I've figured it all out, and have come to a conclusion....
Analysis and investigation are what made this show for me. Now, those two things could quite easily ruin it. That's it, I'm done!
Let's not get hung up on nomenclature; terms like "purgatory" and "afterlife" are just allegorical concepts we are familiar with in the real world to explain a conceptual state. I don't think Lost was trying to show us an "actual" purgatory or afterlife, but those concepts well describe what there was. "Purgatory" just in the sense of their consciousnesses in that existence sought to correct their own mistakes in "Life" (or, if you like, their existence in the On-Island universe), and "Afterlife" just in the very literal sense of an existence after "Life".
Traditional religions of course incorporate these ideas, and because of their incorporation, the religious versions of the concepts (eg, Purgatory in the Catholic tradition) are an easy way for people to explain or understand the concepts -- not that they were being specifically endorsed or denounced by Lost. They obviously used a church (i did love the multi-faith touches) and the "white light" as concessions to the audience to help more easily explain what was going on.
Remember, Christian said that they "created this place", not that it was a place that existed that they were sent to (as would be for a traditional concept of "Purgatory").
@CoffeeWithGames Sorry you feel that way. Of course none of it matters, it's just a TV show. =)
Seriously though, while i definitely understand that reaction (and to a certain degree, share it), you perhaps missed the point. All of it mattered (On-Island, AFTL-Universe), because all of it was a part of the characters narrative journey. As i mentioned earlier, all the events that happened on the show, at the end of the day, were nothing more than McGuffins to bring us on a journey with these characters.
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