Topic: Everything Marvel (Movies, Games, Comics, ect...)

I'd hardly blame Reed for the horribleness of Yes Man or The Break-Up. They were both just horrible films. There's only so much that a director-for-hire can do when the source material is horrible.

Also, I'm not sure how you can say "We haven't had a single stellar Disney/ Marvel movie" when only 2 of the 9 MCU films released so far were made before the Disney purchase (Iron Man and Incredible Hulk). Sounds like you're just aping the usual "Disney makes things horrible" cliché that has no basis in reality.

All that said, I wish Edgar Wright was still involved (and I have no opinion on Reed), since I love Wright's films. But in all fairness, it does seem that Wright wanted to make a film that wasn't going to fit what Marvel wants to do in the grand scheme of constructing the MCU.

Corny and over the top is one thing. Poorly written is another. TASM/2 is the latter

It sounds like Wright wanted his film to get the special treatment in universe that it would have been when it was in development with the other phase one films. The orginal script consisted of switching to the past with a young Hank Pym in the 1960's to the present day with Scott Lang stealing the Ant-man suit.

Sounds from the new pitch that its still going to be a heist film but Pym/Lang will get along much more.

Ok, I won't blame him for the movies directly, but he helped make them exist. I'll give him benefit of the doubt.

I'm definitely not aping the "Disney makes things horrible" cliché. I like Disney, they do a lot of good stuff and I'm looking forward to the Star Wars movies. I'm just saying ever since they've had their hand in the Marvel movies, they've dropped in quality. I LOVED Iron Man 1 and The Incredible Hulk. Enough to see them both in theatres twice. I can't say that for any of the following movies. Jon Favreau probably left because they were annoying to deal with or they just wanted the discount director Shane Black.. Iron Man 2 was better than 3 and 3 was a train wreck, IMO. Not because of Mandarin, although that was still highly disappointing, but because of the god awful inconsistencies and conveniences throughout the movie. Thor 1 started out with a bang only to fizzle out quick. Thor 2 was better, I'll give them that. Avengers was great in theaters but I watched it again at home and I don't know why I liked it so much before. Hype maybe? I just didn't find myself enjoying it even half as much the second time through. I still haven't seen Captain America: Winter Soldier yet, so I can't speak on it. I want to see it, but waiting because I find Captain America to be one of, if not the least interesting superhero out there.

Maybe it's just Marvel, but I'm having a hard time believing that Disney doesn't have some hand in the quality of these movies. The movies feel forced and it just feels like the directors that are hired, are simply a name and have no creative control what-so-ever. Otherwise Edgar Wright still might be doing Ant-Man. It's pretty sad. I'm being critical, but because I love Marvel. There's a cliché for you.

I see what you're saying. But I think that it's less Disney-control, and just simply Marvel-control. Kevin Feige & Co., the "architects" of the MCU have a very structured and laid-out plan when it comes to constructing the MCU. I don't think they really had the plan in place as much during Phase 1 (coincidentally, when Iron Man and Incredible Hulk both came out), and I think @shingi_70 is right that if Ant-Man had come out during Phase 1, Edgar Wright would probably have been allowed to make the movie he wanted.

But once the Marvel movies started making serious money, and the plans for the future of the MCU was really being laid out, it's limited what freedoms are to be allowed. Again, I think it's just a Marvel-control thing, nothing to do with Disney's ownership.

We'll have to agree to disagree about there being stellar Marvel movies after the first two (which were both excellent) — I personally found both Thor movies to be excellent, same with Avengers, same with the Cap movies — though Cap is in my top two favorite superheroes, so there is that. I can get maybe if your own personal tastes weren't satisfied by them — to each their own — but I think on an objective level, all those films would fall into the "stellar" range (though yes, Iron Man 2 and 3 were rubbish )

And seriously, see Winter Soldier as soon as you can. It is fracking amazing, even if you're not a Cap fan.

I haven't even got a chance to go see DOFP yet, so after that maybe I'll see Winter Soldier, but DOFP is priority right now. If I don't see that in theaters I might be a little mad at myself. I guess even though I'm not a big fan of Cap, I thought his first movie was good, probably better than Thor. The problem with Thor.. I guess it just felt lacking in.. atmosphere? I don't know. It just felt off for me. Not too mention I don't feel like Natalie Portman fits at all..

Maybe the problem with the drop in quality might be money. Disney is trying to pinch pennies while Marvel is trying to curb a certain story within all the characters/movies. This will leave quality actors/directors to leave. I was really bummed when I found out Favreau and Terrance Howard left the Iron Man movies.

I don't mean to come off as abrasive, lol. Just giving my two cents, of course others will find the movies stellar.

Yeah, I still need to see DOFP as well. I wasn't really counting the X-Men (or Spidey) movies when it comes to Marvel films, since they're not part of the MCU and not produced/developed by Marvel. By all accounts that I've heard, DOFP is amazing. I really liked First Class as well as Singer's X-films, so I'm psyched to see DOFP as well.

On Thor — I agree Natalie Portman felt out of place (though I love me some Natalie Portman, so it was forgiven, lol), and I actually wished Kat Dennings was in it more. It has a certain atmosphere to it that is wholly attributable to Kenneth Branagh directing the film — a sort of classical, Shakespearean feel. It's not for everyone, but I really liked it and thought it fit perfectly for the story they presented in that film.

I was really curious with all the buzz surrounding the new Transformers movie and Teenage Muntant Ninja Turtles movie. I know both of them started out in comics, but who published them? I don't think Transformers is with the same it originally was and TMNT I have no clue.

Transformers did not begin as a comic, but MArvel had the rights to it in the 90's. They lost them later to IDW publishing. TMNT began as a comic(according to Wikipedia it was supposed to be a one shot parody) and was with several companies, but also ended up with IDW publishing.

Both are being published by IDW and doing really well and are pretty good.

Comic-con is this month so we should be getting a slew of info on Phase III of Marvel and the rest of Phase II. (Avengers 2 and Agents of Shield season 2).

Phase III so far is looking to be

Ant-man
Captain America 3
Thor 3
Doctor Strange Avengers 2

Agents of Shield season 3
Daredevil
Luke Cage
Jessica Jones
Iron FIst
The Defenders

Rocket Raccoon #1 came out this week. I thought it would be horrible, but thankfully it's incredible! Really great art and a funny story. I hope it continues to stay this great.

Why would you think anything by Scottie young would be terrible. His OZ series is pretty legit.

We should be getting the first trailer for Avengers 2 this month at comic con and probably attched to Guardians.

So what do you all think of Marvel changing Thor to a woman?

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/07/15/thor-is-now-w...

Though I find it annoying that DC and Marvel keep changing the core of characters for what seems to be the sake of it, this seems alright. Kind of interested, I might actually get the comic to check it out.

Anyone read the new Spider-Man 2099? It was good stuff.. looking forward to the next one. This months Moon Knight was GREAT, probably the best one of this run so far. Makes me sad that Ellis is only doing 1 more issue. Definitely worth giving it a read.

Another surprisingly good comic that came out this month, even though it's not Marvel (or DC) is "The Life After".

Think of how much money would be involved for an official live action version of this:

The way they put it makes it seem more like Thor is a title and not a person so I'm ok with it as well. Not too many characters can make this swing over this easily though.

Btw, who's going to go see Gardians of the Galaxy opening weekend? I should be or at the very least the following weekend. Can't wait to see how it all ties into the Avengers world!

@Spoony_Tech Yeah, I guess they did kind of make it feel like a title and I suppose it is, but Thor is his name. Having the hammer is the title.. it's just strange that they made her look exactly like Thor. I'm curious to see what it's all about regardless. I'm not even a big fan of Thor either way and don't think I've actually read any of his comics, but this has actually made me want to check it out. Does that sound dumb? lol

Also, GotG looks amazing. I don't think I've looked forward to a Marvel movie as much as I have this one since The Avengers. I have high hopes for it. I really hope they let this movie stand on it's own though for the most part. I don't want to see any tie-ins into the other movies until the end credits or very late in the movie. Let it be it's own. I hope for the same with the Ant-Man movie, but we'll see how that goes..

@Spuratis: Its too late they already linked GotG to the same world as Avengers at the end of Thor: The Dark World.

As going to go see it it will probably be awhile for me, I still need to see Captain America 2, Xmen DoFP before I see GotG.

Yes they have but I think I know what he means. Other then the artifact that Thanatos is looking for they don't have to link it in any other way other then the very end ie no other Avengers in the movie or even mentioned till the very end. I can see why he wants it to stand on its own. It needs to be 99% GotG and 1% Avengers.

Yup, that's exactly what I meant. I saw the end scene in Thor and it just hyped me up even more for GotG. I can't wait to see more of Benecio Del Toro as the Collector.