Topic: Coronavirus outbreak

@Zuljaras Even the most optimistic people I've seen suggest we wont have a virus until, maybe, next year. Some think we might now see one until 2022 or later even.

On the matter of lockdowns, I think it's entirely possible they've been far too lenient. People are still going out to grocery stores and "essential" shopping and while I don't have an alternative solution, I have to question the idea of still having people congregate at stores. I feel like things are only poised to get worse. More people sick, more economic damage, more things falling apart. People have asked me about my plans for the future and I'm like, I don't even know what the world is going to be like in a month or even a couple weeks, how can one prepare for anything long term right now?

@Heavyarms55 No idea really. But still there are people who value more their right to go outside or to clubs than the safety of others.

My country is still with small impact. We have 1300 confirmed cases and arou d 40-50 death cases but I think that things will get worse the following months.

Judging from what I've seen on the few times I've been out lately it's like 80-90% of the population just doesn't care. Either that or they're like screw the order I'm gonna do what i want. I saw a bunch of people down by the river today fishing. Just hanging out going fishing like whatever i ain't fraid of no virus! This lockdown probably hasn't had much effect like they were hoping for. In the end it will turn out that it really didn't make any difference and people are going to do what they want.

As soon as they lift the order the death toll will likely triple and their will be protestors demanding they close everything back up. They've been saying it could be a seasonal thing and we'll have to shut down the whole world every year for god knows how long!

Admittedly there's this twitter thread I'm agreeing and can only work if there's enough places like park or something that people can walk through (doesn't work in Indo for example because barely any walking space)

I hate this year that supposed to be fun to celebrate my Chinese Zodiac sign (Rat year).
Cursed it COVID-19 !
COVID-19 must die and disappear from the Earth !
I'm already sick and hate to hear the pandemic that looks like unstoppable and uncureable. We will being forced to dead by that stupid ****ing virus.
How dare you for infecting my hometown Surabaya !! 😠

@Anti-Matter Those childish tantrums will not help you or the situation. No need to repeat the same **** over and over. Calm the **** down.

@Zuljaras Those sorts of people are a problem. I understand the people who are struggling financially, that's a valid reason to be arguing that you can't just stay home - everyone has bills to pay.

But then you see these people complaining that they can't go to the hair salon or the movies and it just comes off as pure selfishness. "I'm not sick, so why do I care?"

But even worse than them I think, are the crazies. The tin foil hat conspiracies theorists. Last weekend I got quite angry with my mother and aunt because they both sent me this insane video that connects COVID-19 within this ridiculous story that ties the moon landing, JFK assassination, something called the "world federal association", Bill Gates plans for population control, bio-ID chips and the mark of the beast from the Apocalypse stories in the Book of Revelations in the Bible. It went on to claim COVID-19 is all part of a plot to give rise to the one world government and let the Anti-Christ take over for the end of days... And all that nonsense to just argue that we shouldn't cooperate with groups like the United Nations and World Health Organization...

@Heavyarms55 Seriously?!? Such conspiracy theories make me sick. This sounds like the Flat-Earters. I am all on board with people thinking for themselves but this is too far.

Also here some people think that the installation of 5G network is to mind-control people and vaccines is for implanting nano-chips to control your life.

And we share the same right with such people?

@Zuljaras I mean, some folks believe pineapple pizza is terrible, but I don't pay them attention.

@Anti-Matter You know we still haven't cured the common flu either, right?

@HobbitGamer
Eh, common flu virus ?

@Anti-Matter Yeah. Influenza. The one that WHO estimates infects 3-5 million and kills up to 300,000 annually. The one that only 42-50% of Americans get vaccinated against per year.

@HobbitGamer, those Flu numbers can't be right (300,000 deaths of 3 million infected would be a 10% mortality rate, which is much higher than Covid-19's).

I think usual Flu numbers per year (just in the US) is something like 20-30 million infected & 10,000 - 20,000 deaths.

These people aren't acting selfishly; they all want to go back to the way things were. We're all tired of sitting around locked up in our damn houses. I want to go to a hair salon, I need a hair cut(might have to find a hairdresser that's working in secret.)

@RR529 sorry, I meant 3-5 million hospitalizations. Got it from WHO 2017 numbers.

@Heavyarms55 @Zuljaras We've currently got quite a few of those tin foil idiots going about their business over here, setting fire to 5G towers. They've already set fire to 19 towers over the last month, and only since a couple of days ago, they've FINALLY managed to arrest two suspects, but these nut cases operate all over the country, and the ones setting fire to them, are most likely the lowest members in these extremist organizations, so whenever they arrest a couple, others will probably take over...

@MsJubilee Look, most if not all of us will agree that this obligatory stay at home business is anything but fun, but it's done for good reasons, so annoying as it may be, better stick to the rules, for everyone's sake, including your own. And you may not think or feel that it's selfish, but I'm sorry to tell you that it actually IS.

Who cares about luxury items or services when there's people dying by the thousands, or hanging on by a thread in an ICU? In light of all that, the importance of a hair cut or any other similar secondary or tertiary need is highly debatable, if not negligible, seeing as we can't even call it an actual need, since it isn't exactly of critical importance even in a regular situation, but especially not now.

And what's even more important: people risking breaking the rules just to make use of these rather unimportant services, are also risking the lives and health of not just themselves, but potentially hundreds of others, and all that just to get a friggin' hair cut? If that's not selfish, then I don't know what is...

You can always just braid your hair, put it in a bun or whatever, for the time being. If more and more people are just going to ignore these rules, because they think they are allowed or entitled to, for whatever reason, then the longer this whole situation is actually going to last, so that'll ultimately do none of us any good.

@MsJubilee We all want things to go back to the way things were. Or at least, the bit that involved not being caught in the middle of a deadly pandemic. But blithely carrying on as if there is no pandemic will only exacerbate said pandemic, taking us even further from that point.

If you’re in an at risk group and you willingly expose yourself to the virus, your behaviour is self-destructive. If not, and you expose yourself anyway, then you risk infecting everyone around you - including much more vulnerable members of friends, family and even complete strangers. This is undeniably selfish behaviour.

You’re entitled to be frustrated and sick of the whole bloody thing. You’re even entitled to be selfish to an extent; everyone is to some degree due to the fact we’re all firmly stuck inside... ourselves. But please try to be selfish - or at least self-indulgent - in ways that don’t endanger other people.

We all need to learn to live with ourselves in ways that perhaps we didn’t before the outbreak, so maybe a little self-absorption is actually beneficial. But it would be better directed towards self-care, self-preservation, and maybe even self-hairdressing, than self-pity and self-denial.

@MsJubilee
Wow, what a comment.... 😒

@ThanosReXXX @Maxz I agree that some good practices and reflection can definitely be drawn from this.
When I had to take Mom to the hospital for an MRI last week, I could only walk her to the front desk before I had to exit the building. I'm okay with that. There's no need for someone not receiving services to be in all parts of the hospitals. I'm okay with folks needing space between them at the supermarket. I'm okay putting off unnecessary things that aren't really important in the scheme of things. Ok, so I can't use my refillable 100 oz cup at the filling station.. maybe I didn't need that much soda anyway.

my neighbors just dont get it...
all around us they leave like 3 or more times a day.
multiple grocery store trips and crap.
it pisses me off. they dont care and dont take it seriously.
my dad waited over a month to go somewhere and these idiots leave all day long. i seen one neighbor already go through like 4 gallons of milk in a week. how do i know this? because i see him leave and come home with groceries all the time and fast food the same trip. no one drinks 4 gallons of milk in six days. buy a cow and stay inside. his wife is a cow but ya know, that dont count.
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@Zuljaras I'm honestly still in the camp of the flat Earth morons being a bunch of trolls who just take their nonsense a little too seriously. It's so easy to disprove their nonsense that they have to be just trolls...

And honestly it wouldn't surprise me if the mind control 5G, nano chip people would totally work that crap into the other conspiracy thread too.

@ThanosReXXX Which crazy nonsense are they spouting? Are they the "we hate China and China sells 5G" crowd, or are they the ones saying 5G is like government mind control?

@MsJubilee Yeah that is pretty selfish pal. Now maybe it is a selfishness I can understand and sympathize with, I'm a pretty selfish person myself. I understand just wanting to do what you want and being annoyed that you can't. Been there, done that. But that doesn't change what it is. A haircut isn't a need, it's a want and wanting to endanger yourself and others for it is pretty lame.