Topic: Coronavirus outbreak

@kkslider5552000, It's already been turned into an inspiring 80's montage (and yes, this commercial is real, song & all).

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&...

@Dezzy Several Fox News people have, I believe it was Rush Limbaugh who suggested it first. I hate Fox News with a near burning passion, but they command the viewership of millions and it's a well established fact that the President of the US watches them regularly and has directly quoted several of them more than a few times. It's no coincidence that both Fox and Donnie bash on China as the evil scapegoat to blame for all the world's woes. I don't think it's likely but I don't think it's impossible either. It matches America's patterns in the past. After 9/11 America launch a war of bloody revenge across the world wrapped in the flags of patriotism that killed far more people than died on that horrible day. And we've seen days in the US where more people have died of COVID-19 than died on 9/11. If it came out that China made this virus, and it got out, even by mistake, there is a very real possibility that America would react the same way.

American culture revolves around this. Smash the bad guys and who cares how much damage is done in the process. It floods TV and cinema, it's in the music and the history. What happens whenever Americans get scared? They buy weapons. What does America do when it's wronged? Threaten violence or at the very least, brag about their capability to inflict violence. America spends nearly a trillion dollars annually on what they call the "department of defense" which they use to wage endless brush wars all over the world and support so-called allies like Saudi Arabia in their wars.

So yes, I am very frightened of this possible outcome and I do not remotely think the chance is zero. If Americans get it in their head that China made the virus or more importantly if Trump and war hawks like Graham and McConnell do, then yes, I think it's extremely possible. Thankfully John McCain isn't around anymore - though I respected him, the man's answer to every problem from outside American borders was to drop bombs on it.

i have a lot of time on my hands as of now.
thats more than enough time to make yer internet surfing experience a complete nightmare.
one mans trash in another mans treasure.

@Heavyarms55

Well Rush Limbaugh can be pretty out-there, but I can't find any example of him recommending invading China.

The main reason there won't be a war with China is that it would be economically disastrous. It's not equivalent to a middle-eastern dictatorship that produces nothing of actual wealth itself, but just sells the oil it happens to be located above. Saddam Hussein can be overthrown and the oil will still be there.

China is very different. They produce a lot of wealth, and it's dependent on having a massive labor force that's extremely well organized and motivated (and educated, in the case of their middle class). That is completely dependent on their current government and its policies. We know how much could be lost if their current government was overthrown, because we know how poor and backward China was under Chairman Mao.

While all of the developed nations of the world are dependent on what they produce, you can be 99% sure there will be no actual war.

@Dezzy And if everyone involved were rational, I wouldn't be worried. Because no rational being would want to cause death and destruction - and economic destruction on that scale. But I don't have faith that all the people in positions of power are rational. Though even though I fear it, I wouldn't give it more than a 5% chance that's about 4.9% too high if you ask me.

@Heavyarms55

Everyone is rational, or at least tries to be rational, when it comes to pursuing their own interests.

The reason you think people are sometimes irrational, is mostly just because you don't know (and no-one knows) what they consider to be their interests.

(people are sometimes just irrational too, of course)

Did the internet really need a Wiki page for Coronavirus Party?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_party

@Mince

There are people that believe they catch this Coronavirus, they will be immune after they recover. Even if this was true, they would still be putting people in risk of death so such a party is not a good idea in a long run.

@Mince

I looked at the link. I already knew this anyways. Those parties are just as stupid, not that I am debating since there is nothing to debate about.

I've seen NHK World covid coverage, people that appear to get over covid still can test positive later. There are plenty of people that seem to struggle to get rid of it. In japan or south korea, hospitals won't release patients until they test negative twice. However, currently, there isn't enough data to quantify how often this occurs.

I have to say the lockdown in the UK is really getting to me now, I feel really low in mood, anxious and like this is never going to end after the stories I've heard and read in the press today. I know everyone is the same but I wish everything could be back to normal but its really not going to be for a very long time and its making me depressed

Try and let go of any ideas of 'normal' and looking for an end to this current situation. Try and focus your attention on finding enjoyment in day-to-day living.

I've always been a bit more of a drift from day-to-day kinda guy, so I guess it's tougher for those who routinely plan out their lives.

My state's governor (IL) announced today that they're extending our stay-at-home order until May 30th, but they will be gradually relaxing some restrictions in the meantime. They'll be opening some state parks with some restrictions in place at least. That'll give people going stir-crazy somewhere to go.

Masks are also pretty much required anywhere where it may be hard to social distance starting May 1st. I'm taking that to mean in indoor areas with a lot of people, such as a store.

I'm in Indiana and they are talking about closing grocery stores entirely. There's been no word so far about when this lockdown will end and I'm getting to the point where I'm really losing hope that it will. Restaurants everywhere are even saying you can't sit outside in your own car and eat your food. This crap needs to end! I don't know why they can't just open places up and put out signs reminding people to give eachother space. I've even been getting dirty looks for not wearing a mask like I'm germ ridden. I've had it! At this point i welcome the damn virus! Come get me! Put me out of my misery!

Politicians have unfortunately backed themselves into a corner where it will look like they're responsible for deaths if they lift restrictions too soon.

The reality is that pretty much every policy they ever support, does cause some deaths. It's just usually indirectly by the opportunity cost, so no-one really blames them for it. Whereas this situation is engineered to make it look like they'll be to blame. They'll all be very sensitive as to how easy it will be to paint them as responsible for it if anything bad happens.

Someone made a compilation of this hellish nightmare.

Look into how some of these companies treat their employees even right now if you really hate yourself!

So how ya'll doing with the outbreak? Seems like nothing has changed for the better. Even the US which seemed, for a few days anyway, to have at least slowed the spread, has seen another spike in numbers. Numbers seem to be rising everywhere. Number of sick, number of dead, number of unemployed...

@Heavyarms55 I heard somewhere that the virus could not be stopped just like that. Those measures right now is just to slow it and get only small number of people sick because otherwise the hospitals will not be able to keep up.

Eventually 70-80% of the population will get the virus.

It is a scary thought. But if they manage to find a vaccine it would be a game changer.

@Heavyarms55

Some of the U.S. will opening soon, though only less effected States and Counties. When that happens, we will see if lockdowns were effective or just a waste of time. There is no doubt numbers of cases and death will continue to rise but it is a matter of at what rate. If the rate stays the same or better, slow down; shut downs were likely necessary. If the rate of spread increases at an alarming rate, we might as well not shutdown or reopen...you know, should of we not shut down and let this virus spread until worldwide population grows immune to it, or keep doors closed until a vaccine is developed and distributed? Of course, neither option is good for the global economy. If U.S does reopen, I would be against shutting down again and just push through. Shutting and opening alternatively would probably have the worst effect on the economy as oppose to keeping shut or open.