Those are 2 completely different claims. "It's because of what Chinese people were eating (i.e meat markets in China)" is a completely different claim from "Chinese food might give you the virus (i.e Chinese restaurants in western countries).
The first claim has a high likelihood of being true. The second is completely ridiculous.
@Dezzy Considering chinese restaurants go empty around Feb (before all this social distancing), I think people are believing that Chinese restaurants did that.
I also remember seeing a twitter how over at Japan, there's a chinese restaurant where some people immediately put up signs that chinese people should go back to china etc, shaming the person just because the owner is chinese and it's chinese restaurant. I'm pretty sure that sentiment is shared by some people all over the countries as well. There's also another case where some socmed post is saying that using Xiaomi can give you covid19 which is preposterous but some people believe it.
Racism is especially strong against chinese, this can be seen since I don't hear anyone going "don't go to italian restaurant" when Italy had such high cases in the beginning.
But overall I don't get why you are not believing people will believe in stupid things, especially if it fits their worldview (o_o
Of course some people will believe such things. But there are more than 1 stupid worldview going around. It's also been very common in recent years for people to lie about being victims of racism. This is quite a well documented fact in political science. It's why incidents like the Jussie Smollet hoax occurred. That wasn't a 1-off incident. It was part of a very well documented trend (see here http://www.fakehatecrimes.org/)
So instead of just believing something because it sounds vaguely plausible, I simply ask for evidence to make sure nowadays.
The claim that Chinese restaurants were disproportionately hit, for example, is another claim that it's very hard to find evidence for. A lot of media sites have claimed it happened. But I can't find actual data on it. That makes me very suspicious. Why did anyone report it if they didn't have clear evidence that it was true? It may be because like you said, it simply fit with their worldview, so they didn't really ask questions.
@Dezzy damn there's tons of fake hate crimes. But I'm curious how much of this fake hate crimes happen versus the real amount of hate crimes (and I actually want to know how many goes unreported, but that's the problem... They are unreported)
In the end I do believe it, even if what I hear is mostly anecdotes. Like hearing friend said he saw the chinese restaurant place he usually frequent having far less people at the start of this all, etc
It's impossible to know because it's quite hard to prove if something was faked, so you only hear about the ones where there's clear proof that contradicts their original claim.
I would guess that real hate crimes still outnumber fakes though, so it's by no means a reason to just deny everything. It's just a reason to ask for objective data rather than anecdotes. I've read about 20 articles now on the Chinese restaurant claim and not one of them provided data. That to me is a clear sign that something's wrong.
@Heavyarms55 Keeping in mind though that we do now know, one way or another, that humans are a threat to at least felines, if not canines. At minimum, even if animals can't transfer it to humans, the cat population could be in trouble in general. Though, the virus seems very adaptable. From animal to human back to animal in 3 months. If I were told to put money down, I'd bet animals transfer it back just fine, or soon will.
Weird thing though is the virus does NOT mutate quickly. Slow enough that they're thinking immunity (from having had the disease or from vaccine) might last several years easily. Meaning it mutates far slower than either flu or normal coronavirii. So it doesn't seem like it's mutating fast to jump species. It seems as thought it simply had that ability from the start. This thing has an uncanny number of exceedingly unorthodox behaviors.
The good news, though, is Wuhan (allegedly) hasn't had a single death for a little while and unlocked (kind of, but it's hard to tell if the remaining lockdown is due to virus concerns, or is just the intended status quo there...) and I don't think everyone's exterminated all the pets, so at least there they hadn't been a primary source of spread. Though any information we get out of Wuhan has already passed through a few reality correction filters.
I imagine those numbers are mostly a reflection of how many tests are being manufactured more than how many have the disease at this point. It was probably 1M actual back in December or early Jan. There's 13M people in Wuhan alone.
In order to show that Chinese restaurants are disproportionately being hit, you'd need to compare the Chinese restaurant data AND all of the other restaurants.
All of these articles just say something like "Chinese restaurants have seen a 50% loss in business".
Well that may be true. But if all the other restaurants have also seen a 50% loss in business, then it's not disproportionate at all.
@Enigminator pretty sure vox is pretty factual in term of what they put up (other than they are left according to the mediabiasfactcheck)
@Dezzy that is true, that ones the one that can't be found so either things are fine (because things are fine, it's not talked), or media went with it because that looks to be the better clickbaits. Which I'm not sure about, so yeah.
@NEStalgia As for what you'd do when I'd be standing too close in your personal space: better bring some big guns or a fit body, otherwise you wouldn't be doing squat. Remember: former martial arts practitioner and all...
All kidding aside, though, every country's CDC is "right", long as the applied approach works, so there's not really one golden rule, one all-encompassing right, seeing as it also depends on local population, climate, isotopes and so on and so on. Over here, as mentioned, the experts have literally advised AGAINST wearing face masks, since it presents us with extra costs (while sitting at home, making less or no money) because of having to put on new masks every couple of hours, which would mean hundreds of masks per month per household, and seeing as it is indeed mostly preventive, it wouldn't matter much anyway, so we've adapted to the social distancing method (staying 5 feet away from others) instead, as well as fixed numbers of people in any one place at any one time, such as in super markets. I now have to wait in line to get in, because they'll only allow 20 to 30 people in at the same time, so we can also keep the right amount of distance while grocery shopping.
@Octane Late to the party, my friend.
I never said it wasn't possible though, just that breath by itself isn't the culprit, ESPECIALLY if you don't have the virus. When a person is coughing, that's already a clear indicator that he or she is not healthy, so in that scenario, chances are WAY more realistic that they could infect someone else. So, if you ARE coughing, you should be wearing a mask to prevent YOU from infecting others. Wearing a mask to protect yourself from others is generally regarded as not being all that useful at all. And you should know, if you're following the news over here just like I am. It's obviously not the same all over the world, but it is the Dutch way of handling it, and for now, it seems to work just fine, so I'd say that the Dutch scientists and the RIVM are onto something...
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
@Enigminator Ah, I see. Well, that's an option as well. Over here, areas are completely taped-off, to indicate that only one person can stand there, such as with the self-service check outs. they have a taped-off square on the floor in front of them, which they ask/tell you to stand in, while you're checking out all your groceries.
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
@Dezzy What I find incredibly scummy is the refusal of some medias to air the president's briefings on the virus, after they kept on whining about how non-transparent he was being. I don't care about the personal vendettas they have against him, just focus on the facts; instead of giving out stupid "gotcha" questions.
@ThanosReXXX $20 says "your CDC" is likely following ours (believe it or not, despite how incredibly stupidly we handled all this, a lot of the world is still peaking over our shoulders to copy our test answers....no idea why...but they are...) Your policy on it there echoes what ours was before the CDC went all Patcher and updated to a new right answer.
Keep in mind that they're advising reusable cloth masks, not disposables, and that they be sanitized after use (which is stupid because you can't find sanitizer of any sort anywhere....bleach is long gone.) So not hundreds per house, and not going through tons of them unless you're out working essential work (which should hopefully supply masks as well but usually doesn't.) - It's not for sitting at home, it's for when out in public.
And remember much of the US is NOT locked down like we are here. This is the hot zones so it's bad here. I know people in nowhereville in the heartlands that seem to have no idea there's even much of a problem, they're out and about almost like normal, save for adding the mask and gloves. There's social distancing, but not strict distancing. And even in the hot zones, people seem to be shrugging it off all too regularly requiring even tighter restrictions.
From the perspective of the information we're seeing here (not just the media announcements/CDC but just doing a lot of my own reading overall), your version of the information and risks sounds 2 weeks out of date. Reading your paragraph is like going back in a time machine to what we thought the situation was a few weeks back. Granted, you guys could be the right ones....and our new truths could be goose chases, but it's a weird step to the past for me. The threat seems to be more well established than mere "5 feet apart, wash your hands, no masks" - the methods of spread, lingering droplets, pre-symptomatic spread, etc have changed that thinking, at least here, so far. I'm very curious to see if you guys update to the same thinking within a few weeks.
Supermarkets. I do hear there are some that are limiting customer amounts. The huge ginormous warehouse chain places like Target or Walmart. But the normal supermarkets are a free for all, shove the carts, impatiently push past people kinds of environments they always were.
Though I also wonder how crowded your supermarkets are in general. In normal times they're a sea of crammed in people here. Spacing it out would be equivalent to food rationing. Most people would be waiting, literally, all day, and still not get in. And I'm in an area that has a lot of supermarkets too. But they're also right off a major highway so people stop through them en route between lots of other places. Which makes it extra appealing right now. And that much more fun when you see all the NY plates in the parking lot..... Free Corona Light with every 10 minute order.
@Enigminator yeah, between media, "anything Trump says must be used as a chance to attack" and politicians posturing on both sides of the aisle, it's frightening and mortifying that even in a plague, in the US, politics comes first and foremost above all else. Even a plague is just an opportunity to use for political advantage.
@NEStalgia Well, you've just lost your $20. CDC was doing nothing while our local virus containment agency was already in action. We don't act upon what happens in the States, seeing as the virus was already here. If it would have come from the States TO Europe, then that might have been the case.
I have no idea how my information or my relaying the situation here sounds like old news. We are updated daily, either by the news or by a now weekly speech from our prime minister, and this is what we do and use over here, and it works. It was just mentioned in the 6 o' clock news that new intakes on Intensive Care are slowly on the decline, so whatever we're doing differently from other countries, I actually couldn't give a crap, but it's most definitely working. So, no, we will definitely NOT be updating to such a weird scenario. We'll probably be slowly reducing measures again, while the US will still be having people pouring into the ICU's all over the country. You're about a month behind in symptoms, methods and results.
And all of that only with social distancing, staying home unless you ABSOLUTELY need to go somewhere, and regularly washing your hands. It would seem that staying AHEAD of this as much as possible, instead of letting it fester and then come to a situation where you should indeed all be wearing face masks, is the far more desirable scenario. And our health care system is also far better than in most other countries, so where that is concerned, I'm also pretty grateful to be where I am right now.
And besides all that, the Dutch have historically always gone their own way, regardless of what other countries think, say or do. They're basically the Nintendo of countries...
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