Topic: Coronavirus outbreak

@theJGG The PM should be heckled, whilst a pandemic is not the norm for what a national leader should be doing his handling throughout has been poor, avoided doing the right thing for political reasons and sending conflicting messages as been proven by the UK having some of the worst stats in the world.

I did start writing a list from him refusing ventilators & protective equipment from Europe as it would look bad with Brexit to mocking other non-Tory politician's suggestions of handling the virus only to then literally steal the same idea he mocked but it would have become a depressing wall of text.

@Snatcher The thing is a pandemic is world problem, not a China problem unless you're talking about alt right conspiracy theories when they genetically engineered the virus to bring down America or whatever.

@jump Ya I'm talking about how china was probably trying to kill us like wtf china.

@Snatcher I'm not sure if you're sarcastic or not. Are you aware that a natural mutation like this would have been at least just as likely to occur in areas with large bio-industry (such as in my own country the Netherlands) and areas where people are messing with natural balance the most, such as rain-forest areas in the Amazone (which mainly happens to serve western consumerism unfortunately)? Now of course you can criticize the fact that China seemed to have tried to cover it up instead of handing it properly in the first place, but I wonder what happened if they wouldn't have (probably only bought us some time) or how every other country would've responded. The fact that almost all countries where the virus appeared were too slow and too late with measures, kinda makes me think that hell would've broken loose either way with a virus like this.

Again - I'm not sure you're being sarcastic or not, but I just wanted to share my 2cts. If you believe the virus hasn't originated in nature, my arguments are probably irrelevant to you

@toiletduck I was saying it in a joking about it it just kinda shows how I feel and I was kinda picking off from what jump said.

Thing is China's initial response was poor but it would have taken a flawless method only available in hindsight to stop it spreading elsewhere but countries like UK and USA which had months of forewarning and even weeks of seeing it hit western countries but chose not to take action and preparation deserve far more scorn.

In reality wanting someone to blame is understandable as putting a face to direct your frustration at is easier but it's a just thing of nature like cancer or a hurricane. So really God is to blame, when will people learn and stop worshipping him instead of the Flying Spaghetti Monster!?!? ;p

@jump

Actively lying and suppressing information from the international medical community goes far beyond "poor".

@KillerBOB At this point there's a lot of countries lying and suppressing Coivd information lol. At the end of the day it doesn't really change much though, Coivd isn't something that looks at flags and passports before deciding if it will affect someone.

@jump

Yeah, I guess it wouldn't have helped if China was honest from the start, didn't muzzle/suppress medical professionals who first discovered the virus, warned the WHO about how serious it was and how quickly it spread...

You are right, that wouldn't have helped anything 🤡

@status-204 @KillerBOB I'm not saying China did nothing wrong, I'm just saying it's silly to overly try and simplify the problem to blame China to make people feel better about the pandemic. If you think it will completely fix the problem so there's no more lockdown and deaths then go for it. 👍

Well, there's some evidence that links the virus to the illegal wildlife trade in China and other countries, so there's that if you're looking for someone to blame. The terrible conditions the animals are kept in could easily lead to more pandemics in the future, as well as just being an abhorrent practice in general.

@Dogorilla Apparently the first diagnosed case found that the man and his direct contacts had never been to the wet market people suspect it came from plus there's reports of the first recorded case of Coivd antibodies was in Italy months before the Dec 19 outbreak either pointing to it left China earlier or it didn't come from China. My working theory is still that God did it! ;p

@status-204 Part of the problem is WHO is only a medical info sharing network. They don't any power, and have no way to enforce sharing medical info.

@jump Ah right, fair enough. We still can't say for sure that it was unrelated to the wet markets though, but I agree that it doesn't make sense to just blame China as a whole like some people are doing. And you're right, we can't rule out God as a suspect

I hate that guy sometimes. He's so vengeful.

Yeah, he even sent his own son to be killed on earth, that ain't right. I'm pretty sure God had that kid out of wedlock too.

@jump Non-consentual too.

@Dogorilla like I mentioned a few posts before: Chinese animal trade and dead animal markets aren't the only areas/situations posing such a high risk of virus mutation. Basically all areas where many types of animals are held in close vicinity under bad conditions are risk areas. Poor human hygiene is of course an accelerator for fast spreading, which doesn't plead in favor of the Chinese market.

I feel it's a matter of when we will experience the next big virus, not if, if we continue to live like this and keep consuming meat on large scale.

@toiletduck Yeah, I think David Attenborough said there could be a large-scale virus outbreak every ten years or so if current conditions continue. I'd like to think this situation will cause people to aspire to better animal welfare in the future for that reason, but I fear that profit will continue to prevail over common sense.

@gcunit Why has no one stopped this guy yet?

@WoomyNNYes Thank you very much for pointing out there is actually a Coronavirus thread and for moving my message there I apologise for posting it in the wrong place.

It is bizzarre because here in the UK we are also an island nation and should have been able to take similar action but sadly that was not so...