@Tyranexx People with their mask pulled down, have they been close to you? I've only seen people do that when they are in a parking lot outdoors (far from other people) or driving their own car. I've never seen it indoors or been close to them.
@WoomyNNYes Sometimes they're for breathing breaks when they're far from others, yes. I'm fine with that. But there have definitely been a fair few who were just going about their shopping with the masks only covering their mouths. I get it, they're not comfortable to wear for too long and can aggravate some other symptoms such as seasonal allergies and health conditions like asthma in the right situations. But if someone has to be around people, they either need to learn to deal with the mask over their breathing passages or find errand alternatives.
I admittedly don't see the point of wearing a mask in one's own car unless they're transporting others not in their immediate household or someone with the illness itself, or else briefly jumping between indoor locations while on the job or running errands.
@Tyranexx I don't take my mask off until I get in my car, just to be safe. I can reason with people if they have asthma problems if they have to wear it for a hours on end, but for just a simple shopping trip and such you should just deal with it. Or like you said find an alternative.
America doesn't take anything seriously. If I were in the position to move I would. That's how bad it is. there are some law-abiding citizens, but for the most part, people just won't listen. That's why I think people blaming the government for not taking care of the pandemic are dead wrong. It'd be a LOT easier if we would just obey the commands given.
I don't go into most any store anymore. If I can, I use the pickup order so they bring it to me. I've been using it before the virus started. I used to think people were lazy for doing it, but man it saves up so much time.
@Apportal From what I've read, it isn't just Americans who aren't listening; ignorant people come in all shapes, sizes, and tongues. But agreed, some people, including many Americans, definitely have a problem. In terms of the US, I think it's a multilayered issue: not much of a mask culture to begin with, the mixed messaging on the virus from various officials and organizations, the fact that the whole thing was dragged into politics like about everything else, the easy access and prevalence of misinformation....There's probably quite a list that history books will be able to construct when the time comes. And yeah, I don't believe how America has reacted to the virus is sorely the fault of the federal government; the problem is at multiple levels.
I also think part of it, from observations around here, is the fact that some see it as just another virus that's joined the rotation and don't fully understand why many are going crazy (not helped by the panic buyers early on) over something they believe that's about as lethal as other similar types of viruses. Some are just tired of all the restrictions for something that they believe has little long-term impact on their health but IS messing royally with their jobs, businesses, schedules, their child(ren)'s activities, educational opportunities, extracurriculars, and so on. All very real problems with no easy solutions in some cases, particularly for individuals and families who are less well off. Too, my state (IL) has many restrictions still in place that vary depending on the region. I really think a lot of it is just fatigue. Again, these are observations, not necessarily how I think.
I've been keeping store visits to a minimum. I can keep grocery store visits to about every two weeks despite the fact that most of the stuff I buy is perishable and expires quickly. Everything else....I buy in bulk when I do go so that I don't have to visit again in some time. A few things I just order online. I dislike shopping even in more normal times, so this behavior isn't too unusual for me either.
@Northwind Yes, I meant 0 cases. If we ever get down to only 1 case left in the entire world, that idiot will still go out and spread it instead of quarantining. As long as he/she is in the US, at least. (Fellow cynic, here, if you couldn't tell.)
Real quick (cause I don’t wanna start an argument lol)
Some people are unable to wear masks normally for long periods of time. I know a few people who get rashes or have breathing problems or panic attacks in them. If they don’t lower their masks in public once in a while things could get bad for them.
Two, not everyone is gonna get the vaccine so even when there is one, Covid still won’t be gone. Masks also won’t completely get rid of it so don’t believe people when they say “if we would all just wear masks for two weeks it would be gone”.
I do respect everyone’s opinion and this is an issue in which we MUST listen to everyone’s ideas. If y’all respond to me please keep it civil. I would rather not start a huge argument here please😉
For masks there is the visors, traditional mask, mask with ventilation and snooze.
Unfortunately the mask with ventilation won’t protect you as much, but they are much more easier to breath in for people who have that problem.
I’m sure the visor too would be better because it gets more air flow, I wouldn’t worry about the appearance of it too people are used to seeing them now.
Personally I use a snooze it’s like a neckchief that goes around the neck and you can just pull it up when you need it, hopefully this helps also last thing you can get a special necklace type thing that shows you are allowed to not have a mask, I believe you can get this from your doctor or the government/nhs. Stay safe, things will be getting better.
(Also by law it’s Public Transport, Shopping centres, Cafes and Work if required. Otherwise you can be fined, which nobody wants soo just so people know. Unless you are allowed not to for medical purposes, see higher up for information on that)
There are multiple types of face coverings. It doesn't HAVE to be a traditional mask. You just want something that limits the spread of your germs in a public space.
IMO, a person who actually has some sort of legitimate issue with mask-wearing (and isn't just making a stupid excuse because they don't care about potentially harming other people) has a moral imperative to either find a solution or limit their presence in public spaces as much as possible.
There's no excuse for walking around bare-faced around other people right now. None whatsoever.
Yeah, there are so many options if you can't wear a mask. I can and do, but I still haven't stepped foot in a grocery store since March. I just use curbside pickup. Easy peasy. At this point, it is really just people being stubborn and refusing to "give up their rights" or whatever. I also fear that a vaccine is just going to make things worse because people who currently wear masks will think they don't have to anymore.
Yeah, if people aren't aware, masks with ventilators aren't effective for covid. They only filter when you breath in. When you breath out, the the rubber flap vents open right up to let out unfiltered air. Which is how the virus spreads. I didn't realize it until i saw news show a video demo of the vents opening, and to confirm it, I looked at my own ventilator mask in my basement - the rubber flaps open right up breathing out. So that's why they aren't permitted in many places in the US.
@WoomyNNYes I can already tell you I know a lot of people who won’t get the vaccine (I may or may not be included in that). Since we’re living in a social media age I doubt we’ll ever get back to “normal”. The definition of normal will see a radical chance over the next decade and that kinda scares me.
I hate seeing the gaps on people's cheeks when they wear a mask. I had that problem but I just got a smaller mask and it worked. I also used this viral video to help:
Oh, this is was the news story I heard, I believe.
in order to get 40% of a population immune through vaccination — if you have a vaccine with 50% efficacy — "you're going to have to vaccinate 80% of the population," says Carlos del Rio, an infectious disease expert at Emory University. "So it's not going to happen right away."
This isn't a joke, The Flaming Lips have found a solution to social distancing at gigs by putting everyone in bubbles. The weird thing is they have tried this before coivd.
I'm not generally a fan of conspiracy theories, given how crazy and detached from reality they often get.
One I'd repeatedly heard, and immediately just ignored cos it sounded obviously silly, was that a group of global institutions and multi-national corporations were essentially using Covid as a way of taking over large sectors of the economy and clearing out their competitors (hence excessive lockdowns), and generally creepy machievelian controlling stuff like that.
Unless I'm going insane, it genuinely seems like this is actually happening. The World Economic Forum is admitting they're more or less doing this. They have a huge program called the "Great Reset" which they're currently getting ready to start in 2021, and which hundreds of the biggest corporations seem to have signed on for.
@Dezzy the idea of it is less about creating monopolies and more about creating regulations to ensure smoother economies during a global crisis as no one took the warnings of a possibility of a pandemic so they are gearing up for climate change just in case.
It comes from a book about the 2008 market crash where the market had been unregulated for so long (and still aren’t) a crash was inevitable.
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