Well from what I read about the game and the creator there is no reason this game should not be allowed on the eShop. If Nintendo further denies this game for the eShop they should give actual reasons why. It seems that BoI is a strong expression of the creator's experience in his childhood. Nintendo should explain why that experience is offensive for the rest of us and how it somehow does not create a good gameplay experience.
Now, I'm going to go watch some blasphemous Twilight Zone episodes...
As I understand it, Nintendo doesn't typically allow anything directly relating to real religions on their systems. That includes BoI, which blatantly references and insults Christianity and Judaism, but not games like SMT, which draws from various religions.
Even aside from that policy, though, Nintendo should strive to keep truly insulting, offensive, or hateful content off the eshop, including BoI, not for the sake of those who wouldn't mind, but out of respect for and sensitivity to those who would.
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@TrueWiiMaster As often as you repeat yourself right now i'm not surprised many are annoyed by people like you.
The same points warrant the same responses.
Saying the same things over and over do not make them true.
Christians are not oppressed in the west. Just because some of us r concerned 're: the separation of church and state are maintained does not equate to you being oppressed. You may openly worship where/when you want. You are under no threat from the state to stop or be jailed. You are allowed to talk about your beliefs in any venue. One does not get elected to office in America if one is not religious, usually Christian. To believe otherwise is naivety at its highest level. The 'no true Scotsman' agreement gets tiring, too.
However, being allowed to speak freely your beliefs does not equate to anyone having to listen to what you are saying. I do not have to respect the beliefs of a creationist who wants it taught in schools. I don't have to silently bend my head when told I am going to hell because I am an atheist.
You are privileged in the west, here in the states especially. You are the top of the food chain politically.
Saying the same things over and over do not make them true.
Christians are not oppressed in the west. Just because some of us r concerned 're: the separation of church and state are maintained does not equate to you being oppressed. You may openly worship where/when you want. You are under no threat from the state to stop or be jailed. You are allowed to talk about your beliefs in any venue. One does not get elected to office in America if one is not religious, usually Christian. To believe otherwise is naivety at its highest level. The 'no true Scotsman' agreement gets tiring, too.
However, being allowed to speak freely your beliefs does not equate to anyone having to listen to what you are saying. I do not have to respect the beliefs of a creationist who wants it taught in schools. I don't have to silently bend my head when told I am going to hell because I am an atheist.
You are privileged in the west, here in the states especially. You are the top of the food chain politically.
No, but if they're true already, they don't become less true with repetition.
Not as they are in the Middle East, no, but there are cases of oppression, and there is fear that such cases will become more common. People are not always allowed to worship where/when they want. Kids have had Bibles confiscated in schools. Christian groups have been denied equal access to public resources (mainly places to gather). People have been fired simply for being Christian. And yes, people have been arrested for preaching Christianity (I'm not sure if that's happened in America, but there have been several cases in the UK).
As I said before, I'd be surprised if every elected official in America was a Christian, but I could be wrong. Either way, that's to be expected when the vast majority of voters are also Christian.
I don't think the "no true Scotsman" point applies here. Christianity is a belief, or set of beliefs, founded on belief in Jesus and the Bible. If someone acts against those beliefs, it does bring the legitimacy of their belief into question, especially when they benefit from claiming to have the belief, as many politicians do.
Of course not. You're no more obligated to listen to me than I am to listen to you. Likewise with respect. Ideally people would respect each other, but they don't have to. That said, it's also true that your views hold no more value than mine. As much as you can turn a deaf ear, I can continue to talk.
People in general are privileged in the West, not just Christians. We enjoy unprecedented freedom. While Christians may be the majority, both in government and in populace, I don't know of any advantages they have because of it (please give me some examples).
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@TrueWiiMaster As often as you repeat yourself right now i'm not surprised many are annoyed by people like you.
The same points warrant the same responses.
That may very well be true.
But if you constantly tell people how bad they should feel even though you do that in a quite subliminal way - for something they either just don't understand or about which they already have made up their mind - you can't really complain when they do the exact opposite to annoy you because you're getting on their nerves.
I wouldn't really call most of those privileges. Most of them are inherent to any majority. Yes, stores are more likely to carry products the majority of people will buy. Yes, more Christian voters means more Christian representatives. And yes, Christians, which make up the majority, will know what Christianity is. Other points on the list are just wrong. Christians are regularly judged or mocked for their faith. Christians are often taught by teachers who disagree with Christianity, and even when they're taught by Christian teachers, the teachers are forbidden to bring Christianity into their teaching. When Christians say Christianity is peaceful, people bring up not just what other Christians have done, but what they did hundreds of years ago. Christians are often asked to represent the whole of Christianity. Depending on the other person's experience with Christians, a polite, kind Christian can be considered an exception. While Christian schools are often available, they're usually very expensive, and people who send their children to them usually have to pay taxes toward public schooling as well as pay the private tuition. I have personally experienced all of those things. There were also many points on the list that were irrelevant, pointing out problems other people sometimes face (violence, discrimination, ignorance, etc.) rather than advantages Christianity has. Not being discriminated against or attacked isn't a privilege. It's a right.
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That may very well be true.
But if you constantly tell people how bad they should feel even though you do that in a quite subliminal way - for something they either just don't understand or about which they already have made up their mind - you can't really complain when they do the exact opposite to annoy you because you're getting on their nerves.
When was I complaining?
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I wouldn't really call most of those privileges. Most of them are inherent to any majority. Yes, stores are more likely to carry products the majority of people will buy. Yes, more Christian voters means more Christian representatives. And yes, Christians, which make up the majority, will know what Christianity is. Other points on the list are just wrong. Christians are regularly judged or mocked for their faith. Christians are often taught by teachers who disagree with Christianity, and even when they're taught by Christian teachers, the teachers are forbidden to bring Christianity into their teaching. When Christians say Christianity is peaceful, people bring up not just what other Christians have done, but what they did hundreds of years ago. Christians are often asked to represent the whole of Christianity. Depending on the other person's experience with Christians, a polite, kind Christian can be considered an exception. While Christian schools are often available, they're usually very expensive, and people who send their children to them usually have to pay taxes toward public schooling as well as pay the private tuition. I have personally experienced all of those things. There were also many points on the list that were irrelevant, pointing out problems other people sometimes face (violence, discrimination, ignorance, etc.) rather than advantages Christianity has. Not being discriminated against or attacked isn't a privilege. It's a right.
You are right. Fundamentalist/fanatical Christians, who insist that they are constantly persecuted (much like paranoid right-winged politicians), are often made fun of. But I don't think you will convince other people that your paranoia is appropriate.
That may very well be true.
But if you constantly tell people how bad they should feel even though you do that in a quite subliminal way - for something they either just don't understand or about which they already have made up their mind - you can't really complain when they do the exact opposite to annoy you because you're getting on their nerves.
I wouldn't really call most of those privileges. Most of them are inherent to any majority. Yes, stores are more likely to carry products the majority of people will buy. Yes, more Christian voters means more Christian representatives. And yes, Christians, which make up the majority, will know what Christianity is. Other points on the list are just wrong. Christians are regularly judged or mocked for their faith. Christians are often taught by teachers who disagree with Christianity, and even when they're taught by Christian teachers, the teachers are forbidden to bring Christianity into their teaching. When Christians say Christianity is peaceful, people bring up not just what other Christians have done, but what they did hundreds of years ago. Christians are often asked to represent the whole of Christianity. Depending on the other person's experience with Christians, a polite, kind Christian can be considered an exception. While Christian schools are often available, they're usually very expensive, and people who send their children to them usually have to pay taxes toward public schooling as well as pay the private tuition. I have personally experienced all of those things. There were also many points on the list that were irrelevant, pointing out problems other people sometimes face (violence, discrimination, ignorance, etc.) rather than advantages Christianity has. Not being discriminated against or attacked isn't a privilege. It's a right.
I wouldn't really call most of those privileges. Most of them are inherent to any majority. Yes, stores are more likely to carry products the majority of people will buy. Yes, more Christian voters means more Christian representatives. And yes, Christians, which make up the majority, will know what Christianity is. Other points on the list are just wrong. Christians are regularly judged or mocked for their faith. Christians are often taught by teachers who disagree with Christianity, and even when they're taught by Christian teachers, the teachers are forbidden to bring Christianity into their teaching. When Christians say Christianity is peaceful, people bring up not just what other Christians have done, but what they did hundreds of years ago. Christians are often asked to represent the whole of Christianity. Depending on the other person's experience with Christians, a polite, kind Christian can be considered an exception. While Christian schools are often available, they're usually very expensive, and people who send their children to them usually have to pay taxes toward public schooling as well as pay the private tuition. I have personally experienced all of those things. There were also many points on the list that were irrelevant, pointing out problems other people sometimes face (violence, discrimination, ignorance, etc.) rather than advantages Christianity has. Not being discriminated against or attacked isn't a privilege. It's a right.
You are right. Fundamentalist/fanatical Christians, who insist that they are constantly persecuted (much like paranoid right-winged politicians), are often made fun of. But I don't think you will convince other people that your paranoia is appropriate.
Also rights are privileges...
It's not just "fanatical" Christians that are made fun of (what do you consider fanatical, anyway?). Christians, and Christianity, are often mocked in very general terms. If any Christian points that out, they are labelled as fanatical, and told they have a persecution complex. That in itself is a form of persecution, and one you have demonstrated well.
And no, not all rights are privileges. Some rights are, or should be, inherent to every human, including the right to freedom of religion. Privileges are something special that only some enjoy, and can be lost.
You are right. Fundamentalist/fanatical Christians, who insist that they are constantly persecuted (much like paranoid right-winged politicians), are often made fun of. But I don't think you will convince other people that your paranoia is appropriate.
Also rights are privileges...
It's not just "fanatical" Christians that are made fun of (what do you consider fanatical, anyway?). Christians, and Christianity, are often mocked in very general terms. If any Christian points that out, they are labelled as fanatical, and told they have a persecution complex. That in itself is a form of persecution, and one you have demonstrated well.
And no, not all rights are privileges. Some rights are, or should be, inherent to every human, including the right to freedom of religion. Privileges are something special that only some enjoy, and can be lost.
This is getting very off topic. Mormons are some of the most made fun of Christians in the world, but media that insults, criticizes, or makes fun of them is released pretty frequently. So why shouldn't Bind of Isaac be able to come to 3DS? If Nintendo doesn't want to let it be on the system that is their issue to deal with, no one here can speak on Nintendo's behalf. BoI is about a developer expressing himself in a game, why should it not be allowed on the 3DS eShop in your opinion?
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
The sad thing about it is the chances are Issac was sacrificed. (They both go up together - only Abraham comes back which implies it was changed after the fact badly). The other bits seem like a copy and paste of Abrahams life.
Another thing I don't understand is as far as I know the only concern should be what God thinks any other opinions should be irrelevant. (And it seems to be the case for anybody I have spoken to who actually I regard as being a Christian.) The only time I can imagine it being a problem is if they don't really actually believe it.
(I was interested once in getting an exorcism just to see the whole bell book and candle thing actually done. Stopped when they wanted to get it done by a Bishop and require a psychiatric examination first. But what I thought was totally irrelevant but yet didn't cause any sort of offence).
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This is getting very off topic. Mormons are some of the most made fun of Christians in the world, but media that insults, criticizes, or makes fun of them is released pretty frequently. So why shouldn't Bind of Isaac be able to come to 3DS? If Nintendo doesn't want to let it be on the system that is their issue to deal with, no one here can speak on Nintendo's behalf. BoI is about a developer expressing himself in a game, why should it not be allowed on the 3DS eShop in your opinion?
I don't know much about Mormon beliefs, or how they're made fun of, so I'll have to ask, is it their belief that's made fun of, or the Mormons themselves? And if it is their belief, is it simply shown, or is it twisted and changed to make it insulting? BoI takes a story from the sacred text of Jews and Christians, twists it into something blatantly insulting to their faith, text, and prophet, and puts it into a disgusting game.
It's also worth mentioning that I've never heard of a game on Nintendo's systems that mocked Mormons. Even if they are commonly insulted, and even if those insults rival BoI, if Nintendo doesn't have the content on their platforms, it doesn't help your argument that BoI should be on Nintendo's platforms.
The fact that the developer is "expressing himself" doesn't excuse the content. A racist could make a game expressing their racism, but that wouldn't make it any less racist.
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