Topic: Pokémon Sun & Moon - Discussion & Speculation

With the idea behind the Alolan forms being that Pokemon from another region adapted to Alola, it is unlikely. I think where people were getting the info on the normal form appearances was the Japanese site showing which old Pokemon were catchable in the wild. So, if a species adapted to Alola, it wouldn't make sense for the normal form to appear in the wild too right? Kind of defeats the purpose of Alola forms.

However maybe it is possible to see regular forms in the same place as their Alolan counterparts, or to find the regular forms elsewhere in the wild (some population adapted while some stayed the same). Possible, but unlikely.

@IceClimbers Also has a point that Pokemon we have seen outside the wild may have been imported as well, but that's also unlikely.

As for Alolan forms being Gen 1 only, I think the signs point to that but it can't be ruled out either. With it being the 20th anniversary, it's obvious they have wanted to celebrate the original Gen (VC games, Pokemon GO), but perhaps they are simply focusing on Gen 1, but not exclusively.

I think there's still a chance of seeing Alolan forms of evolutions of Gen 1 Pokemon. Example, if a Magmar adapted to Alola, it would make sense for Magmortar to adapt as well. Magby however, may have less of a chance of getting an Alolan form due to being Gen 2.

@IceClimbers True. Staryu can also be seen on that building with the Horsea statue if I'm not mistaken. Although, yeah, technically that means that Starmie can get an Alolan form still; however, I think it's unlikely. It could be imported.. But that would be pretty random. I mean, the Meowth makes sense, because the entire beginning of the plot probably revolves around the fact that you just moved from Kanto to Alola. Eh, we'll see. You're right though, but I just think that Alolan Starmie is very unlikely at this point.

@DefHalan It works for me. Try this link instead. In the first post, click on fourth ''spoiler'', The Riddler leaks, then click the first spoiler. Bulbagarden forums are doing a pretty good job of keeping track of all the rumours and leaks and organising them.

Then it doesn't make much sense that Riachu would get Alolan form but Pikachu and Pichu wouldn't. Riachu would pass those traits down to its kids, and you can't hatch a Riachu from an egg. So it would make sense that Alolan forms are a recent development in this Pokemon world and we could see both forms, maybe one is more popular. Maybe the way to catch the regular form is in a horde battle. 4 Alolan forms appear with 1 regular one.

Maybe they could separate it per Island. Maybe the Kalos region is nearby and we will travel back to there? All the Zygrade stuff makes it seem like revisiting Kalos could happen, plus the fact that Pokemon Z never happened.

I understand a focus on Gen 1, they are the oldest and so probably need the most updates, but Alolan forms only affecting Gen 1 don't make much sense. If it is Pokemon adapting to their surroundings then why wouldn't some pokemon from Gen 2-6 adapt too. May be unlikely to see Gen 6 or other newer Gens get Alolan forms but I don't see why we would rule it out as a possibility.

A lot of people are ruling things out because of a lack of evidence pointing to the opposite, but that isn't a good indication for what is/isn't going to happen.

@Octane That site just confused me.

@Tsurii They have had a lot of time, and they didn't make a Z version. It has been 3 years since X/Y release, they could have made the Edits they needed to for Kalos to be in Sun & Moon. I find the focus on Zygrade to be strange if there is no connection to Kalos.

@Octane I'd have to agree. My line of thinking was that Kanto imports and tourists are a common thing in Alola, and thus plenty of Kanto Pokemon were included in those imports. Kind of a "lore" type thing.

@DefHalan It's just a forum lol.

@IceClimbers I see. Yeah, I could see that happening. Don't know where Starmie was located; seemed like an aquarium of some sorts. Maybe an ocean research lab or something like that? Could still go either way then. Showing off some native Alola Pokemon, but they could also be showing off some imported rare Pokemon (regular Starmie).. Or maybe I just completely forgot what that scene looked like, cause all I remember now is a Starmie standing in a puddle of water..

...Haven't been in this thread in a while, what did I miss? Anything cool? No mega Luvdisc yet? What about an Alolan Bellossom?

@Octane Trying to figure out those Spoiler tags and the way they format what they are saying was making my headache worst.

@DefHalan They use the spoiler tags as drop down menus.

@Octane well, maybe they just don't have the info I was looking for. I click on the spoilers and the text doesn't seem to make sense and there are some pictures but no context. Overall, I don't care too much about who leaked what and how accurate they might be.

@Octane Was it the Aether Foundation perhaps?

Anyways, my line of thinking does raise the question of whether the regular versions would be available in Sun/Moon despite them saying otherwise, or if these supposed imported Pokemon are overworld-only.

@IceClimbers Maybe some can be traded? But then again, I also think that they'd like to push some VC sales, so I wouldn't be surprised if none were available at all.

I agree. When you get a Pokémon from a trade, it goes right into your box. Why don't they do that with events, it's just an unneeded hassle.

@DarthNocturnal They don't go straight to the box so that you can soft reset for natures and IVs.

Yes, I'm sure more people would be annoyed if these rare legendaries were generated instantly into the PC without a way to re-roll their stats.

Like, imagine if stationary Pokémon were generated at the beginning of the game, with the only way to try for a better one or a shiny being starting a whole new file.

Oh, from what you said, it mostly looked like you wanted it to be sent to the box automatically after receiving the mystery gift. With no need to go pick it up.

Well you definitely have a point there, logically it doesn't make much sense. But of course we don't know how breeding with Alolan forms will work yet, we'll just have to wait, see, and accept whatever GF decides makes sense for Pokemon biology.

In the case of Pikachu, I think it's most likely they just didn't want to make any design variations for the sake of merchandising. So instead they opted for only changing Raichu, who is less popular but still popular enough to appease Pikachu fans. If they gave Pichu an A. form but not Pikachu, then that makes Pikachu the odd one out.

Agreed with you here, I hope there is a bigger connection to Kalos to fill the void of Pokemon Z. A trip to Kalos would be awesome as post-game content (being unlocked once you've collected all Zygarde Cells, perhaps).

But, @Tsurii makes a good point that Kanto being in Gen 2 was due to Iwata's hard work. Game Freak has been somewhat lazy lately, I don't expect them to remodel much of Kalos, but an offshoot island or area is possible. That being said, they did have to upgrade Kanto from FR/LG to HG/SS, so maybe a full Kalos remodel could still happen...

Again I think you're right in people ruling things out quite yet. As far as Gen 1 Pokemon only being in Alola, GF could just say Kanto is nearby/has close ties with Alola, so many of their Pokemon, specifically, were imported. But of course we don't know anything final on that subject yet.

Well if alolan raichu breeds the genes wouldn't necessarily make alolan pichu and pikachu. Pichu and Pikachu may be perfectly fine in their evolution state in alola, but raichu may need to change its form inorder to relocate between islands, attract mates easier, or to avoid predators (surfer raichu doesn't have to worry about the sand ghost).

The genetic makeup wouldn't make pichu have alolan traits since at that stage, its still too young developed for the genetics of better mating, survival, or traveling. The natural selection of the parent raichu would be for raichu only, the raichus with the alolan trait would pass the trait onto their offspring to make more pichus, like itself, that evolve into alolan raichus.

Kinda like an insect's larvae, it may look like all the other larvae but the genetic difference turns it into a different bug when it grows.

Also I thought they fixed mystery gifting in gen 6, since the mail person is literally standing next to the pc.