Opting for enhanced and expanded deluxe / director's cut / remastered / Game of the Year editions of last-gen games is a well-worn tactic in the early days of a new console. Some of the most enjoyable games on PS4 and Xbox One are high quality re-releases, taking a top-notch title and sprucing it up for a new generation with all of the DLC add-ons thrown in. Nintendo, unsurprisingly, has opted for that approach with Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, an easy win that fills out the early schedule and gives a potentially new audience a chance to enjoy one of the best titles the series has to offer.
The original Mario Kart 8 on Wii U was, and still is, a fantastic title. We'll focus on what's new and different in Deluxe here and you can always check out our original review (in which we were too kind on the old Battle Mode, to be blunt) for the full breakdown of the ways in which the Wii U title evolved the series. Let's just summarise that here before focusing on the 'Deluxe' part of the package.
MK8 delivered what still feels like a leap for the series not just in terms of its visuals, but also the technicalities in the racing. It's still anarchic fun with the formula we adored in older releases, but racing became - arguably - more balanced and enthralling than ever before, as Nintendo carefully blended new ideas such as anti-gravity with refinement of what makes a kart racer tick. Karts and bikes have relative weights to them, and fiddling around with a vehicle's customisation to adjust values actually feels worthwhile. Throw in some neat items like the Piranha Plant and we have an entry challenging to be best-in-class.
It still stands up as a great time on Wii U, too - the visuals still look lovely, the action is still intense. In fact, in an alternate universe the Wii U has sold 60 million units and the new Switch version is really a 'Game of the Year edition' on the last-gen system, with a new Battle Mode and a few characters available as DLC for long-term owners. Sadly for Wii U that's not the case, but the point is simple - Deluxe is a whole lot of brilliant Mario Kart gaming in one place.
Of course, with new hardware come expectations of what it can do with the graphics, though as this is Nintendo we're dealing with a concept system in a tablet form; we're yet to see its full graphical potential, it's a step-up from Wii U but not a new dawn in visual fidelity. A little like with The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild the differences are pleasing but not mind-blowing. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe garners most of its boost simply by upping the resolution - the original was a native 720p that was then upscaled, whereas the new entry is a pure 1080p.
There's still no real anti-aliasing to be found, for you Digital Foundry fans, and those picky about such things can still note some occasionally iffy textures and shadows, for example. Yet cutting beyond all that, and also acknowledging that the entire game is spent zipping around tracks, what we have is a beautiful game. In the Wii U era Nintendo mastered the cartoony HD look, and it pops nicely here. The resolution boost adds a pleasing amount of sharpness and extra detail, and the system's full RGB range and improved processing also delivers deeper colours; Nintendo has also tweaked and improved some visual effects like the Blue Shell's explosion, and turbo-boosted motion blur has also been amped up, to our eyes. It's a bit like going from 'medium' to 'medium/high' settings in a PC game, or as this writer's sibling describes it, "Wii U turned up to 11".
Most importantly, it still flies along at 60 frames per second when playing solo or in two-player splitscreen, and also fixes the minor frame skip issue that existed on Wii U; we still see a drop to around 30fps when multiplayer splits the screen into three or four players. The overall effect on the TV, then, is impressive and simply delightful to look at as that trademark Mario Kart chaos unfolds on screen. Another big selling point is how good the game looks when played on the Switch in portable mode - the drop to 720p is absolutely fine on such limited real estate, and it looks crisp and colourful on the console's display. When you consider the previous portable option was Mario Kart 7, it's eye-opening to consider that we're now playing a game this handsome on the go. Pleasingly there's also no performance discrepancy from docked to portable play that we can see; it's buttery smooth however you decide to race.
In terms of its feature set, as mentioned above MK8 Deluxe serves up a lot of content by including all of the previous updates and DLC from the Wii U original. In simple racing terms that provides a welcome upgrade in content with 48 tracks across 12 cups, all unlocked from the beginning. Right from the off you also have all almost all characters - including some newcomers like Inklings, King Boo and Bowser Jr. - and all weight classes. That means you have total freedom to jump into the faster classes if you like, or you can be a traditionalist and try to win gold in order from 50cc right up to 'Mirror' 150cc and even 200cc.
The fact Nintendo lays it all out there from the start makes sense, even if we felt a slight tinge of regret that the 'chase' for unlocks is limited. The only thing you'll unlock in bulk unlock through repeated play is vehicle customisations, which does mean that playing a lot will get you some of the cooler and stronger karts and bikes, including a couple of new Splatoon rigs and the previous DLC. You get these through coin accumulation, with Battle and online play also contributing to your profile's overall total.
Also, to clarify a question that comes up a lot. Yes, Mii characters are supported, as are the amiibo costume unlocks; in fact the Splatoon amiibo have been added for another outfit to access. Any Mii characters you've created on your Switch will pop up as playable in the game.
As for how that core content plays? It's still fantastic. It's a heck of a collection of cups and tracks, while chasing ghosts through Time Trial runs is also fun. Yet there are subtle evolutions, examples of the developers adjusting and enhancing areas as they feel fit. For example we're convinced some underlying values and physics have been tweaked; when capturing comparison footage with an identical setup on Switch and Wii U Bowser felt a tiny bit 'heavier' on Switch, and in a sensible way. The weight and physical feel from the original has seemingly been refined a little bit here, or perhaps it just felt that way to us.
Also of interest for those with children, or perhaps less experienced players, is that Nintendo has added optional assist items that are enabled at the vehicle select screen. One is auto-accelerate, leaving players to focus on steering, and the other is in fact auto-steering. The latter simply redirects your kart onto the edge of the track if you start to lose your way, and as we've shown in a video these options can technically allow you to win 50cc races without any inputs. While that's funny, it's worth highlighting that these are good additions to ensure anyone can enjoy the game, and the reality is that these tools won't help limited players beat more experienced racers in higher classes; these assist tools actually get in the way and restrict better players. In that sense they're harmless to most but welcome for some, broadening Mario Kart to audiences that would perhaps otherwise find it difficult to play.
A key addition to racing, too, is a third purple boost point when drifting. It takes longer to trigger and is typically reserved for long, sweeping bends, but it gives an appreciably longer boost. It can certainly make a difference, not only when aiming for top times in Time Trial to upload to the world, but also in small margins within races.
To cover off control options, too, you can use a Pro Controller, a sideways Joy-Con (which is a bit cramped for our taste), Joy-Con in Grips or the new tiny Switch wheels. The wheel is interesting in that it takes a little adjustment due to its increased precision over the old Wii Remote equivalent. Initially we struggled, but when you stop turning like a madman you'll likely appreciate that the motion sensing is more accurate. We still prefer physical inputs, but wheel fans should only need a little practice before they get the hang of the new accessory.
The biggest addition here, of course, is Battle Mode. After the underwhelming (and probably rushed) compromise in the original we now have a more traditional offering. There are five modes and eight new arenas, which we covered in some detail here; we'll stick to a summary here to avoid this review turning into a post-doctoral thesis on virtual karting.
Going into play, whether solo or in a group, you can adjust various rules depending on the mode, with each option (apart from one) available for both teams or dog-eat-dog play. The five options are all entertaining, from the traditional Balloon Battle to the brilliant Renegade Roundup. The latter is all-new and so simple an idea that we're surprised it took this long - teams are forced in this one, with one round each hunting renegades with piranha plants,or going on the run, dodging trouble or making daring runs to 'spring' teammates from their elevated cells. Shine Thief, familiar to Double Dash!! veterans, is also fantastic fun, but none of the modes are flops - Bob-omb Blast and Coin Runners also offer a good time.
The eight arenas also show that Nintendo was keen to make amends with this Battle Mode. Three are remixes from SNES, GameCube and 3DS, but five are all-new and riffing upon fresher themes. Many will naturally be drawn to the Splatoon-inspired Urchin Underpass, but our favourites are Lunar Colony - which is full of jumps and hop points - and Dragon Palace, which has an inspired transition from indoors into a courtyard. The only arena we're unsure of is the anti-grav heavy 'Battle Stadium', but we suspect some will love its inherent complexity of layout.
There's one other nice touch to talk over with Battle Mode. In battles, much like in previous entries, you can easily wheelspin on the spot and quickly rotate and flip your direction. By holding both brake and accelerate while turning you can rapidly re-align your kart, ideal for arenas where you may need a quick shift of focus.
When it comes to local multiplayer, too, Nintendo has opened up some solid options to help Switch owners play together. Local Wireless allows up to eight players to connect through WiFi, and in one test (in admittedly ideal conditions) we played for around two hours without a hitch. There's also the option to use LAN to connect up to 12 players, something we haven't tried and involves a slightly fiddly process to 'authorise' a router; we'll produce a video guide on that. This will suit events and expos well, whether players are taking part on their handhelds or sharing a bunch of TVs and docks.
Online play is also present and correct for up to 12 players in a room, and like much of the game (as it is a 'deluxe' re-release) is mostly identical to the Wii U equivalent. You can play solo or in two-player split online, with Global and Regional rooms for racing and battling. As before you can also search by 'Friends and Rivals', while 'Tournament' returns with the same settings, allowing you to create timed events in which players join by searching for them or entering a code. You can setup to use any of the tracks or battle modes as you please, and you can even insist that nobody uses steering assist if you like.
It's a solid online setup with the potential, like on Wii U, to keep us playing for months and even years to come. We did have a few short sessions online for the purposes of review and encountered no issues aside from one disconnect in Battle, but this was with limited numbers. We foresee no obvious issues here - as there weren't on Wii U - though will naturally report upon any problems when the game launches.
Overall, then, that's a lot of Mario Kart - in the case of this particular entry that is no bad thing.
Conclusion
When it comes to passing final judgement on a re-release like this it's tricky - do we scale back praise because it's content we've mostly seen before, or simply judge a release on its own merits? We've opted for the latter here, and so we have a definitive version of a fantastic Wii U game that adds its own extras to spruce up the experience.
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe delivers a huge amount of racing goodness right out of the box, and it's a polished version of a Wii U entry that was a proper Battle Mode away from being top of class. Now that issue has been addressed, what we have is arguably the best Mario Kart release we've seen. Some will argue about where this entry stands in the pantheon of the franchise, but for our money it's competing for top spot.
It's the definitive Mario Kart 8 experience, content-rich and a delightful feast of comedic, cartoonish karting action. It's a game that continually raises a smile and, occasionally, induces that trademark Mario Kart rage as shells strike and positions are lost. It's addictive and unifying, unfiltered fun that draws in anyone daring enough to take up the wheel. If you're a Switch owner, it's an easy choice.
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No surprise here. All it needed was a decent battle mode to get a 10.
Dayum that embargo is early. Am so hyped for next week. Glad it is the definitive port!
Suspected this might be a 10 - I'm still a little bit torn about whether I can justify £40 on a game I've already played...but I do have a pre-order and I'm trying to reisist the cancel button as much as possible!
Excellent. Glad you judged it on its own merits - after all, new Nintendo players would be adversely effected if you hadn't.
Wasn't expecting a 10 given it's mostly just a port of Mario Kart 8 but definitely fair enough, it's a fantastic game.
Petey Piranha and Birdo DLC next plz.
The most played Wii U game I own.
It might be the only Wii U game any one has played on my system...
Getting the Switch version is an easy choice especially with the auto-drive mode to finish races with younger players.
Best Mario kart right here. And that's saying a lot.
Still say Mario Kart 9 will be revealed at E3.
Isn't this review kind of early?
@Bread-Not-Toast I predict christmas 2018 as they are going to try and maximise the sales of this and then use Mario Kart 9 as a big game for Christmas.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE They knew it would review really good and then they can use the scores to market the game and consequently the console.
Me 3 months ago: "Psh. I already own it on wii U along with all dlc...I'll pass".
Me last week: *preorders.
"...When it comes to passing final judgement on a re-release like this it's tricky - do we scale back praise because it's content we've mostly seen before, or simply judge a release on its own merits? We've opted for the latter here..."
I'd have gone with the former. Don't get me wrong, it's a great game but it's not another €60 great(nevermind the DLC that we paid for). There was a review in the past week or so where a rerelease was judged harshly for doing mostly the same and it was pointed out that let's see if you keep that in mind when MK8 Deluxe releases. But it wasn't. That game I'm fairly confident was Lego City Undercover.
I played Mario Kart 8 for over 100 hours on Wii U. Given my daily commute, I can see the Switch version hitting 200 hours before too long.
Still can't convince myself to buy it again, despite of a new content. Will stick to the Wii U version & save money for MK9. Waiting for a new titles though, Splatoon 2, ARMS and more.
QUESTION: Can driver-assist/auto-accelerate be used online? Might help inexperienced players enjoy the online mode a bit more
..back in the Wii days, I'd often be placed in races against people's Grandparent's - who'd somehow manage to get lapped 4 times in a 3 lap race!! ..they can't have had much fun! (slight exaggeration, but these are the people who'd benefit most )
Maybe it's time to do that $35.00 trade in for my WiiU copy.....
Yep, no surprise here. Really looking forward to next week (though the days leading up to the release date will be pretty busy and stressfull for me). I'm wondering, though, where Nintendo will take the series next.
@w00dm4n im really looking forward to that auto-steer option as my 5 y.o. stepson has a problem staying focused on the track
Does it support download play?
"Do we scale back praise because it's content we've mostly seen before, or simply judge a release on its own merits?"
Lego City Undercover says "Hi"
@Jack_Goetz Yep. I pointed that out above. It's just a little contradictory and hypocritical.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Yeah, just seen it. Glad we're in agreement.
The only Wii U game that I regret downloading. I love downloading games as it is super convenient and keeps my kids from ruining and losing them. However, I would love nothing more that to sell my copy so that this game doesn't cost me as much. My wife and I played this game a TON and got gold cups on every race in every cup (including DLC) and every class (including 200cc) and so the racing side of this game does not interest me. As far as I'm concerned this game will be called Mario Kart 8 Battle Edition. And I want the game for the battle modes, but $60 is a lot to ask for just Battle Mode. I wish Nintendo would scan my account and see that I bought the game and the DLC and offer me a $20 discount for the game.
@link2thefuture83 apparently not
Still unsure about double dipping. Played all the base tracks on WiiU, unlocked most of the kart kits, and yet it's somehow looking more fun this time around, maybe because it's a complete pack of tracks instead of the DLC drip feed (which I never bought so all the DLC tracks are new for me.)
@XenoShaun Didn't the embargo end in 2014?
@Jack_Goetz I was thinking that. That's a pretty inconsistent rating system when the criterion changes per game.
Definitely buying again.
Must have for every switch owners
Now that I think about it, if they'd just offer the battle modes as DLC on my Wii U for $30 I'd buy that in a heartbeat, but I don't want to drop $60 for just battle mode.
Sure, I'll double dip. I need me something to tie me over until Splatoon 2 comes out.
@NEStalgia It's very inconsistent unfortunately. Usually you can dismiss it when it's different reviewers, but it isn't in this case.
If Mario Kart 8 Deluxe gets a 10, then Lego City Undercover should have been an 8. I'm all in favour of reviewers using the full numerical scale, but the lack of consistency between reviews seems very unfair.
Nice review. Looking forward to next week.
Nice. Doesn't seem to include enough to warrant a purchase if you own the WiiU version though, so I'll skip this.
I hope we'll get a MK9 on Switch at some point.
Hope we get mk9 on the switch
Game just looks great, and I'm sure it plays great too. I think it's important to remember that this is more than just a full price re-release. It has new content, new features, and the portable option thanks to the Switch. Re-releasing this was a good move on Nintendo's part, and hopefully they've already started thinking about MK9.
In the review it says 16 cups... It's 12 cups with 4 tracks each for a total of 48 tracks...
Won't be getting this at first, as my Wii U is still connected to the TV and I'm more than happy to play the original whenever I have friends over. Still, it's heartwarming to see that they gave their best at fixing the one major flaw with the Wii U game.
I've put 250 hours with the misses on the Wii U version.
Still play a couple of races a day even now!
But will buy the Switch version, day 1.
I'm kinda optimistic that we will see more DLC unveiled at E3....
@SKYW4LK3R you have passed the test! Thanks for spotting this, corrected now
@WhiteTrashGuy
I definitely would if you can get that much. I traded my Wii U games into Gamestop after I got my Switch because they were giving an extra 50% trade-in bonus on anything that was being traded towards Switch games and accessories. I think I got $25 for Mario Kart and like $35 for Smash Bros.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
"it's a great game but it's not another €60 great" is only a personal opinion though, isn't it?
For some previous owners that might apply, and for some it might not (like me) for some reason or other (portability probably being a big factor here for many). They may still double dip.
And THEN there are all those millions of potential customers for whom it's simply not "another" 60 (input currency of choice here), but the FIRST 60 they spend on it. I believe it's fair to them (as is this review), and those who already do own it on Wii U just make up their own minds if the admission price is worth the slight technical upgrades and portability. I know I have (and yes, it is clear that you have, too; to each their own I say), others may just want to wait for the Selects version a couple of years from now (or be swayed when additional DLC is announced).
As someone that bypassed the WU, I can't wait. While I'd prefer there was some sort of objective to the game in the form of unlocking rewards, on the hand it was tedious doing 50cc on older games, particularly to earn stars.
My only beef is a perennial one: mirror mode. Who gives a crap! It should be reverse mode, which would double the tracks. As for unreachable parts of the track when in reverse (particularly the start of gliding sections), simply put a zipper or cannon on the course to reach them. It's not rocket science!
Overall, it's a fair review. The Switch is a new system so the game must be reviewed in isolation to that, not as an upgrade to those that might have owned a WU. MK8 Deluxe is the definitive version of the series so must be a 10.
Once the price drops, I'll grab it.
It's more expensive than the original MK8 and I already played a lot of that so it's hard for me to justify.
Day one purchase for me.
@Dazza 😉
MK8 is what I was really waiting to purchase a Switch for. Played a lot of Zelda to pass some gaming time, and some fun in the process. But MK is what I plan to purchase hopefully at midnight from Wal-Mart if they will have it in time or just but after work the same day, hopefully speaking. Yes!!
Lmao a 10/10 my ass. Just trying to convince Wii U owners to pay 60 bucks for the same game again.
I preordered it really early and it's currently going to cost £30. Double dipping isn't really an issue for me, it's a really good game that I can additionally play as a handheld or in table mode, with all the dlc, graphic improvements and kid/non-gamer friendly options. Please ship it early amazon!
Dammit Nintendo, you sure make resisting the temptation of double dipping hard. You're not getting me this time though. Even with all the contents I can't drop $60 on this, sad panda. I'm starving for another game on the Switch and the benefit of playing on the go really, really makes it hard not to buy the game. Would be cool if Nintendo offer a discount on this version to those that bought the DLC's on the Wii U version. Sigh.. let's see how long I can hold out before I cave in..
Mario Kart 8 is my favorite Mario Kart in a long line of games I've really enjoyed. Happy to see it have a new battle mode that really, in my opinion, was about the only true drawback to MK8.
Most Wii U owners will feel ripped off, and understandly so. But I still believe this game is marketed more towards the people who never owned a Wii U, and for them, this is the biggest Mario Kart ever in terms of tracks, characters and overall content. I will be buying because I want to have a console-quality Mario Kart on the go with me.
But it is completely understandable why double-dipping is not in the cards for a lot of Wii U owners.
Still, it's a fantastic offering for others who never played it before, and I am really looking forward to it.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE My guess, is that While Lego City undercover was a fun game, it was plagued with loading issues, something that wasn't really fixed in the port. MK 8 didn't have any particularly large gripes a part from battle mode, and that was greatly fixed. Two ports, but one that was improved where it fell flat the first time, and the other still missing a chance to fix that one great gripe.
It may not feel like full price worthy to you, but to anyone who didn't own the Wii U version, it absolutely is. Also, considering that the Wii U version is still almost full price anyways, it's a no-brainer.
Do I think it deserves a 10? eh, not really, although numbered scores are so outdated anyways.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I already own the base game + DLC so I won't be getting this.
@gojiguy You will be waiting a long time. Nintendo rarely discount their own games, and when they do it's a Player's Choice scenario. Even then, that's typically lower grade games. For example, on 3DS, Star Fox, Yoshi Island, Mario Tennis and Nintendogs and Cats got discounted. MK7 is still full RRP!
Fully expect this to usurp Double Dash as the best Mario Kart. MK8 Vanilla came close.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE @Jack_Goetz The Leg City Undercover review also discusses how the gameplay that was so novel for a Lego game in 2013 has aged a fair bit in the last 4 years with Dimensions, Worlds, Star Wars, and god knows what else has come out since. Kart 8 still feels as fun and fresh as it did when it came out in 2014. Then you factor in the new content and I guess they felt it was worth praising on its own. There's also a metric ****ton of people who never got to play 8 so it is new for many people.
tldr: One hasn't aged well and received little love, the other has.
Am a little disappointed that there is no 4 player split screen for couch play.
The review says up to 8 player local multiplayer. Can that be set up as four people on a docked console and the rest on undocked systems?
The battle mode was the only glaring flaw in the original, so I would expect this to get a 10 if it had no other issues (putting aside the coin items...)
@Bread-Not-Toast I predict Mario Kart will be rebranded Nintendo Kart and will embrace all Nintendo IPs, a la Super Smash Bros. MK8 DLC was just the beginning.
And Nintendo Kart will launch with an extensive Amiibo range, that are customisable like the game.
Fair review, if it's perfect it deserves the 10. As for me, I never played the original so I'm happy to get it and benefit from the extras.
Continue to review software judging it by its own merit. Good job.
@Indielink Lego City Undercover was also a port. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is not as it has a whole new mode with many other new features.
@Shellcore : Yes, there is. Why wouldn't there be? It's only local wireless and online multiplayer that is limited to two players per console.
@sillygostly It wasn't mentioned in the review and haven't seen it mentioned anywhere. There were also rumours about how only it was only 2 people per switch console. Had to search neogaf to confirm just now. Thanks for confirming through (now happy!)
@Fred13 lol just lol noone does that.ps4 make you repay full price for ps2 games even if you bought it on the ps3.just facts
@roboshort That's not how ports work.
Wow! Perfect score! Can't wait until the 28th!
Too bad everything is unlocked from the start. I find unlocking stuff to be half the fun and great incentive to play.
Really excited for this, potential GotY 2017 even though the Wii U version was GotY 2014.
@G0dlike I've put 250 hours with the misses on the Wii U version. Still play a couple of races a day even now! But will buy the Switch version, day 1. I'm kinda optimistic that we will see more DLC unveiled at E3....Yes! Pay full price again on the hope that you get the opportunity to spend even more money on DLC. You are a good consumer.
I'm excited. The next time we have a gathering, my blind friend will be able to play this too. Absolutely amazing.
@Jack_Goetz In all fairness this game got a decent bit extra content in the battle mode as well as fixing some of the (only) shortcomings of the original including tweaks/resolution/frame drops etc. So with that said I can understand how this deserves to be scored on it's own merits or at least on par with the old 'excellent' game.
Lego City probably was not an 'amazing' game to begin with and then didn't add much to improve it towards being amazing, with the latest iteration.
I'm all for consistancy with reviews but I think the consistency comes here in the form of a score based on whether the game has been as fun to play now as it was before, and in this case the answer is 'even more fun than it was before'.
I've all the love for Zelda you could wish for but for me a proper launch title has to truly sell the unique features of a console and MK8DX does just that.
4-player on the TV? Why not. Short time trials on the bus? Sure. Grand Prix at home for half an hour? Sure thing. Split screen with a stranger on the train? Now we're getting somewhere. Battle Mode? Present and correct.
If there is any justice this will be the game that really blows up Switch sales.
@Indielink Don't let a little thing like actually reading the full content of both reviews and using critical thinking get in the way of being blindly unhappy!
When it comes to passing final judgement on a re-release like this it's tricky - do we scale back praise because it's content we've mostly seen before, or simply judge a release on its own merits? You shouldn't have judged it as a brand new game because there isn't $60 worth of changes and additions for current owners but gaming journalism is often just another marketing arm.
@Indielink Adding 5 characters(trying to promote Splatoon some more), no new tracks and fixing something that should have been fixed years ago and then making people pay for it again? We all have our opinions. As said, it's good for newcomers but I see it as another example of Nintendo's greed. It's not just a dig at Nintendo, they're all businesses but I won't be falling for shenanigans like this. It's like 1, 2 Switch. That thing is garbage and nothing more than a very limited tech demo. Didn't stop them charging €50 for it.
Had MK8 Wii U released back then with this Battle Mode, the game would have been a 10 for me. It was the one mode holding that game back from perfection. I refused to name it in my list of best games because the BM was a disgraceful effort flung together so that the game could get out the door. The game had already been delayed and the Wii U too was already in trouble. But sitting on your laurels and not adding even a single track does not deserve a 10.
Also, they didn't fix the problems with online. "Voice chat" for one is still gimped. Lobby only.
Can you plat battle mode with bots, ?
I don't believe there will ever be a Mario Kart 9; My thoughts drift toward the possibility of a Nintendo Smash Kart game with everyone Nintendo related as competitors. Mario Kart 8 opened the possibility and now it's time to smash the door in to the world of Nintendo options.
Awesome review. Welcome back battle mode. You were missed
Wouldnt have expected anything else for the best selling Wii U game with additional features
30fps in 4-player? LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE.
jk, this game owns
Not sure really. I thought MK8 new tracks were really boring, like Ice Ice Outpost, coupled with the stiff/restrictive control, most of the new stages were boring (with the exception of a few and that most of the tracks look amazing)
I ended up playing more the retro courses because they were given a nice treatment and they keep the interesting course design.
But I guess I can give this another shot with the battle mode.
@Slim1999 I’m not dumb, I know nobody does that. Doesn’t mean I don’t wish they would. I’m realistic about my expectations and I know it won’t happen, but in a way it would make sense so I just expressed my thought. If they did that it would be easier for me to buy it since I’ve already gotten all the value out of the races (and if I hadn’t my Wii U is still hooked up) so this game to me is literally just the Battle Mode. In fact, if they offered the Battle mode as $30 DLC for Wii U I’d forget about the Switch and just buy it on Wii U.
Sorry but the first Mario kart is the best and always will be.
Heyyyy another 10/10 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@Grawlog So they could just keep releasing it as it is now and keep getting a perfect score from Nintendo Life? That makes no sense.
Dat 10 like it was gonna be anything else <3
I just wished Nintendo would chill on the rubber-banding effect of the MK series. I find it annoying how racing well is not rewarded.
You tell my 38 week pregnant partner that she won't be able to play Mario Kart at the hospital.....
Good consumer or not, this release is perfectly timed for me @Crono1973
@Jack_Goetz @SLIGEACH_EIRE While I agree with you both that this could have been a bit cheaper due to it being primarily a port, it isn't quite fair to compare it to the Lego City Undercover situation. Mario Kart 8 still holds up as a great game today, whereas Lego City Undercover is beginning to show its age. The rest of the genre has moved on and improved substantially.
All in all, I guess I don't care how they rated it either way, so long as the specified in the article (Which they did) how they were reviewing. By reviewing it this way, at least newcomers to the game will see great reviews and hopefully flock to it. Previous Wii U owners pretty much have their mind made up about this game already.
This game FINALLY gets the 10/10 it deserves!!!!!
@roadrunner343 For newcomers to MK8 it deserves a 10, but for Wii U owners looking on through the window, speaking for myself I feel a bit miffed.
@Grawlog Yes, the hyperbole is all over. Example: 'OMG! I paid full price for this game and have put hundreds of hours into it and I just can't wait to buy it again at full price and stop playing my old version because I am crazed and have money to burn.' Reviewer Example: 'We are so hyped for this game that we are going to conveniently forget this is a port with some changes and additions.' Seriously, I can't tell where Nintendo's marketing dept ends and consumers/reviewers begin.
@invictus4000 Me in February of 2017: "I already have it on Wii U and it's not like I play it much anyway."
Me in April of 2017: "Can you blame me for selling my Wii U copy and putting the money toward the Switch version?"
Yay...
@G0dlike Well congratulations on the upcoming baby. Here's a thought though, the Wii U needs only a power outlet, it has it's own TV.
@gojiguy how? The Wii u version was $60+ more if you wanted DLC. Battle mode was never fix at all.
Can the Switch do this?
Holding on this one for the moment. I just got Isaac and Wonder Boy AND I'm still playing Zelda. But I'll definitely get MK8 in the coming weeks. Since I'm not one of the 5 people on the world who bought a Wii U, this will be a totally new experience for me and on the best console Nintendo has released in a while.
I certainly understand the complaints, especially as a Wii U owner as well. That said, I really wanted this because now I can play the best MK on the go. To me that's a big deal. Plus, I'm really not out too much money cause I sold my old MK8. With that money and the Amazon Prime discount, I was able to knock the price down considerably.
If you do want it for Switch, by all means go for it. If you don't want it, just play the Wii U and be happy. In a perfect world, Nintendo should release battle mode for Wii U owners at a later date, but I fear that is wishful thinking.
Heh, put me in the never owned Mario Kart 8 camp so I may wholly enjoy this.
@Crono1973 haha! Yeah, the Switch just makes more sense though! 2
Controllers ready to go! All fits in 1 box!
And many thanks, currently attempting to finish shrines on BoTw before the little monkey gets here. 4 to go...
@Grawlog I'll put it this way, it's worth full price for those who never bought it but I am singling out the people who want to brag about buying it twice at full price and acting like this is the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's really only a port and only a big deal because the Switch library is lacking.
@G0dlike Looking at the position of the analog stick on the second JoyCon, I would rather take a Wii Remote or a Pro Controller to the hospital with me.
It's an outstanding package for first time purchasers like myself, it'll be interesting seeing my 2 kids play it with that steer assist mode, a cool feature for the young ones!
They should have put a 'Rocket League' mode in as one of the battle modes - if they did it well it could steal a bit of RL's thunder.
@Crono1973 So prices factors in a reviews now? there's been many ports that charge the same price and still get good scores despite being a port.so why should this be any different? When this was first review the DLC was even out when this got review and the major complaints were Battle mode was awful. then Nintendo releases new characters and new tracks 16 tracks but still didn't fix it. Now Nintendo ports with all the dlc (which was even included when the review came out) and extras tweaks and fix battle mode that everyone wanted them fix and people complain? And with the install base the Wii u had seems like many people didn't actually get to play it. I understand if you want the game full price. I get why you don't want double dip. But that shouldn't be a reason why a game should get a lower score.
@Hinaru77 Have you not seen any reviews that recommend waiting for a price drop or say that the game is a steal for it's $9.99 price tag. Yes, I think price should be part of a review because whether a game is good enough to recommend does depend on it's price. I think it's doubly important for price to be part of a review of a port because many people may be considering double dipping and I have seen many reviews that mention version differences when the game in question is a port, haven't you?
Reminded of the fact that the only other portable MK I have access to being 7 and my 3ds no longer leave the house...so yeah I guess I'm double dipping.
I'm trying to understand why people are so extremely hyped for this.
Zero new tracks. Few added characters. New and proper battle mode. But wait a minute.. That should have already been part of the original but was obviously scrapped only to be added now as 'NEW!'.
This all feels, just like Splatoon 2, as a very lazy and cheap effort by Nintendo. As little investment as possible. Whoever thinks that Nintendo needed years to 'develop' these 'new versions' is very naive. And the worst thing of all? Sell them for full price, as if it's a completely new game.. 🤔
Nintendo needs to stop being lazy and actually come up with something new.
@Crono1973
I'll take one for the team
and use the red, give the misses ol' bluey!!
@G0dlike If you think it's worth it. Me, I would take the Wii U with me, plug it up and put it in a corner or a window sill out of the way and use the Gamepad.
@Aryx I think they are just looking for things to get hyped about and there isn't anything else on the Switch to be hyped about. It's sad really, the Switch's best games are Wii U ports for full price.
Glad to see fire-hopping is removed... Now I hope that they have fixed item balancing a little... the double items could help, could make it worse.
@Aryx
The best Mario Kart... all the DLC... enhanced graphics... and PORTABLE! Why wouldn't people be hyped?
Nintendo is not being lazy, there will be a new MK in the future... but for now they are giving the people what they want (see above).
They should do something very similar with Smash ASAP.
@Crono1973 I guess that makes sense. I would probably do the same if I was foolish enough to already own a Switch. What annoys me is that by people buying into this lazy effort, Nintendo is rewarded for it. You just know that in the Nintendo HQ they will be like: "So we just re-release the same games we released for Wii U as new for full price and people will swallow it? Great! Guys, change of plans..."
For years Wii U owners had to hear 'Please understand..', because they were shifting resources to 'new experiences'. Well, something clearly went wrong, because there are hardly any new experiences and the 'highlights' are ports.
Oh, and people, no, Zelda: Breath of the Wild is not enough to be entertained for the next 5 years. Even if Nintendo seems to think so. Just saying.
@holygeez03 I'm sorry but it's the exact definition of lazy. Same content, hardly any changes. DLC slapped in there; also content already available. Yes, slight improvement in graphics. But that's to be expected on a new console with better tech, would be weird if the graphics actually got worse.
As for new MK in the (near) future, that's pure speculation. There has never been a case so far of 2 MK iterations on one generation. I fail to understand why it all of a sudden makes sense to assume there will be another one on this generation. Especially given Nintendo's trackrecord as of late.
I didn't think people were complaining about Mario kart 8s graphics. I didn't think graphics were that important for Mario kart anyway
The comment section is exactly what I thought it would be. You all didn't disappoint.
@Aryx Also, Breath of the Wild is also a Wii U port.
this was on my get list. But when found out about auto assists it became a preorder so I can play it with my little ones. Mind you after this afternoon with them might cancel it.
@holygeez03 there will be a new MK in the future Oh, I must have missed the announcement. Can you link it?
@Crono1973 Oh shoot, you're right! I forgot about that. That leaves us with... ARMS, I guess?
I cannot wait to play this!
I love the help mode for I experinced players too....that's a really nice touch for this dad gamer.
@Crono1973
I think it's a safe assumption that MK8 is not the last Mario Kart that will EVER be made...
@holygeez03 Oh, you didn't mean that there would be another Mario Kart game on the Switch?
@Aryx ARMS is right up there with Super Mario 64 and people should run right out and buy a Switch for it. Just Kidding.
@Crono1973
That all depends on the life-span of the Switch and Nintendo's development roadmap...
I would say that the Switch doesn't actually need another MK, since MK8 is already that good, and MK8D appears to be even better with its additions. But if there are eventually 50 million Switch units out there, MK9 would surely sell a LOT of copies.
I would actually prefer a SM3DW sequel to another MK on Switch.
If the review score should mean anything it should be how much the reviewer recommends someone interested to play the game at the time of writing. For Lego City there are much better alternatives, for example botw. Mario kart is simply the best in its genre. If you are considering it, you won't find better alternatives. Review scores should never attempt to be some sort of magic universal number that magically encompasses the feelings and opinions of everyone with feeling or opinions about the game. That is not possible or desireable.
To all those saying nintendo should offer a discount to people who already bought it on Wii U.
Trade your Wii U version in and there is your discount.
I did exactly that and got £19 for it, almost half the cost of the switch version (£42)
@holygeez03 Well now wait a minute. You used another Mario Kart game as your reasoning for Nintendo not being lazy and now you are backtracking and saying a port of a last gen Mario Kart is good enough to last this entire gen. Do you retract your statement that Nintendo is not being lazy now since you backtracked on it? What if the Switch's one 3D Mario game turned out to be a port of 3D World, wouldn't be ok would it?
I want. Haven't owned a Nintendo home console since the Game Cube, and I've never played a Mario Kart on a home console either. So I'm excited
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I guess the difference between the two review styles depends on how well the original content holds up at the time of release for the latter version.
I expect it's fair to say that Lego City does the same as before and is dated for it, whereas MK8 is still immensely playable today.
I'm still undecided myself, but I think when you make a great game like that it's fair to market it again to new potential players.
@-Green-
You should be. I'm envious of someone new to this.
I'll get it down the road, eventually. When it's on sale in my local store I'll trade in my Wii U copy, which works perfectly in the meantime.
But I don't disagree with the score, it's an excellent game. It being a port has no bearing - is The Last of Us less of a game due to being a port in PS4?
So, £42 for the Wii U game, rated at 88% on Metacritic, plus the two dlc packs (rated 90% and 87%), a whole-new Battle Mode, a few small gameplay additions, better graphics and portability.
It's hard to see how the score could have been anything else.
@ThomasBW84 Just curious, do I have the option to steer with the directional buttons as as opposed to the stick, as we could on the Wii U. That is really my preference. Thanks!
@mid_55 I expect it's fair to say that Lego City does the same as before and is dated for it, whereas MK8 is still immensely playable today. Mario Kart 8 does the same as before too.
@invictus4000 Pretty much my same response. I think it finally hit me that this is MK8. Anywhere, anytime. Yeah that is worth 47.99.
@Marios-love-child that's quite good of a price. Where you trade.
@-Green- if you owned a GameCube. Mario kart double dash was a must
@Ryu_Niiyama Anywhere, anytime. Except when you are driving or shopping or working. So really, just when you are taking it out for the sole purpose of playing it on the go.
Definitely not for me, but I'm glad Switch owners who haven't played the original will get to enjoy this.
@UK-Nintendo
Game of all places, I must admit I was pleasantly surprised I got so much as they aren't usually the best for that type of thing
Of course I would have liked it a little cheaper (though at approx £40 its one of the cheaper physical Switch releases in the UK so far) the mere fact that its on a console with portability and immediate local multiplayer is enough to make it worth it. I expect more local multiplayer Mario Kart on my Switch than was on my Wii U; plus the added wireless local multiplayer at gatherings and cons. Not to mention quick races during lunch breaks, public transport, toilet breaks when visiting the in-laws...
Its no surprise that Nintendo decided to rerelease of one of its top selling Wii U titles with improvements and although it would have been better as a launch title, I suspect it was to reduce the time between its launch an Arms' launch in June.
Although after this I can't think of any Wii U remasterings making their way to the Switch (don't say Splatoon 2).
Adding in a robust battle mode with 8 new arenas, 5 new characters, all DLC with some new items and game mechanics...
It's perfection.
The Wii U version was definitely held back from a 10 by the battle mode. But with that addressed and 48 total tracks and the fact it's also fully portable with local MP on demand... what more could you ask for in a Mario Kart game?
@Crono1973 Challenge accepted.
I used to play pokemon while driving to school as a kid. I have a two hour commute now and half of it is me sitting in traffic. I'm sure I can get through a cup or two doing that.
@Marios-love-child thanks. I'm gonna try my luck. I might not get much as I still haven't bought a switch and play it on my Wii u with all the dlc packs. I'm waiting till Mario oddysse is out.
@Ryu_Niiyama I remember when I first got into portable gaming. It was on the DS and it was glorious. I would invent activities just so I could use it outside the house. Eventually though, I just quit doing all that and while i do still play my 3DS and Vita outside the house, I no longer think of it as a big deal because the opportunity rarely comes up without me creating opportunities. Usually when I leave the house, it's for a purpose not fitting to play a game. I will take my 3DS with me on a run (not to play, for the pedometer) but unless I am going to a sit down restaurant, there isn't much of an opportunity to play it outside my house or yard. Now in my mind, if you have to create activities to take advantage of a feature, it's not really a convenience.
@UK-Nintendo
I never got round to purchasing any of the DLC so with that included plus the new battle mode this time it does feel like there's enough new content to justify buying it again (for me anyway)
Yeah best of luck and always worth a try, Smyths are usually pretty decent for trade in as well I find
@Marios-love-child trust me. You'll love all the dlc tracks. It's was the best. Pure quality with a unbelievable price back then.
Seriously, I don't get how some people can be put off by this release and its price. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. There can be only three sorts of people. a) Those who own only a Wii U, b) those who own only a Switch, and c) those who have both. The latter can be split into two sub-groups, c.1) those who feel the portability, technical improvements and extra content is worth double dipping, and those who think it rather "meh".
None of those people really have a reason to complain, to be "left out", or to feel cheated by Nintendo (or simply "miffed"). Why?
Group a) isn't interested in Switch at this time apparently. So this game is not for them anyway. Keep in mind: It's not an update for the Wii U Nintendo is asking full price for, it's a Switch game. Why complain about details or price of a game you can't, don't want to and will not buy/play? It Makes no sense. Might as well complain that Multiplatform titles cost the same for all consoles (more or less), and you don't get a discount for the PS4 version if you already own it on XBone. Or that a Blu-ray with the same movie costs slightly more than a DVD with the same movie, but with higher rez and additional extras (or 3D for that matter), if you own only a DVD player, why complain about Blu-ray prices (and ponder them in the first place)? For this group it also doesn't matter if they already own MK8 or not. If they have it already, they can be content, if they don't they can still get it for their system.
Group b) is the main target audience. To them it's a completely new experience, and certainly a mighty fine one, worth asking full price for.
And Group c)? Well, depending on the sub-group they just need to make up their mind and all is set. They can then either dig in and be happy, or ignore it. But complaining about something they have no interest in (c.2) is not only pointless, but also illogical to my mind.
EDIT: Deleted duplicate paragraph. Sorry.
I've never been a big Kart fan, but this one looks fun. The steering assist is also going to get me to buy another set of joy con so the whole family can play together.
Mario Kart 8 is a great game and probably is worth a 10.
I'm not sure how LCU has aged that badly though. What advances have there actually been in the Lego games since it released? I've only played TFU recently and nothing jumps out at me as an advancement that makes LCU feel that dated.
MK8 was pretty awesome.
@UK-Nintendo Sadly never really had many Gamecube games. If I was a big gamer, I probably would've tried it out.
@UK-Nintendo
The more I think about it I'm not quite sure why I never did buy the DLC, as you say was tremendous value.
Either way though in hindsight I'm glad I didn't as it kind of feels like I'm buying a new game next Friday now
Really glad I skipped the Wii U and thus this game. Gonna be a lot of fun to play the definitive version of one of the best Mario Kart games, if not THE best Mario Kart game.
@Marios-love-child it will feel new. 16 new track is like a whole new Mario kart in the past
@Crono1973
You don't have to be creative. Portability fits into some people's lifestyles, but not in others. Maybe it just doesn't fit in yours.
In my case? It's useful because it means I'm not tied to my TV when I'm doing stuff around the house, for example cooking or waiting for laundry to be ready.
I can spend time with my family and still be able to play, instead of being holed up in front of the TV.
@Luna_110 I do that with the Gamepad.
@KirbyTheVampire Really glad I skipped the Wii U I am sure some will skip the Switch with the reasoning that it's best games will be on the next console anyway.
@Crono1973 Well part of it for me is that I have such love for the Switch as a portable system. The system is comfortable to hold and most importantly to me low on eye strain. I've always been a reluctant handheld gamer, but the WiiU and now the Switch have made handheld gaming a much more enjoyable experience for me. I was a busy nerdy kid (IB program, sports, job, reading lol) so I didn't really have a ton of time to game on handhelds and didn't really get into it seriously until University and the DS Lite. However I hated it still because the screens were terrible on my eye. Yet now when I get home I'm too busy to game. Taiko practice, guitar practice, martial arts, gym, furniture work, yard work (first house!) and studying mean I don't get to game that much...even my weekends are packed. My furniture isn't going to build itself. However the Switch is convenient enough that I can tote it everywhere, play when I get some free time, then toss it on the dock and keep going when I get home (if i have time that is). I think I wouldn't pay 60 dollars for it but it am ok with paying 48, yay prime discount!
The other part is MK8 is a really, really good game.
Edit: Also why are you trying to talk people out of buying the game? It is our money, why are you concerned with how we spend it? Not your cup of tea? I get it... I was on the fence about this for some time, but at this point you are yelling into the wind. Buy what you like, let others do the same without questioning their purchases.
@Aurumonado Yup, my feelings precisely - here's hoping next friday comes quickly. Also, absolutely love the gif.
@Crono1973
My gamepad loses signal when going when leaving my room with the tv... going downstairs with it is a no go. It's "portability" is useless.
@Luna_110 Yeah, it's portability has limits but it works for me as I don't have two floors in my house. In your case though, if I played it more downstairs than upstairs, then I would move the Wii U downstairs. No need to hook it up to a TV.
Picking up. Yes I've played to the Wii U version tons, but considering the online multiplayer was played a lot and now with an added battle mode on top, its worth it for me.
The remaining stuff in BOTW and this will kill more then enough time till Arms and Splatoon 2.
Fair enough it addresses the main issues I had with Mario Kart 8.
To be fair though between Club Nintendo and the Deluxe Digital Promotion in a way you basically got the original for free (or at least a reduced price) and it helped pay for its own DLC. It's basically reverse discounted for Wii U owners. Definitely something to think about when trying to justify the purchase. Especially if you were gonna buy one of the free games regardless.
Can't invite friends to join online game. Bit cheeky for Nintendo life to ignore that. Nintendo still way behind when it comes to online gaming. It's embarrassing!
@Crono1973 Probably. IMO though, the Wii U was the worst Nintendo console ever made, in terms of first and third party support as well as the uninteresting idea that was the Gamepad. There were definitely some gems on the system, but a lot of the ones that I care about will be released on the Switch in the first year, such as Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Splatoon 2 (Not the same as Splatoon 1 of course, but close enough). Plus, I love the hardware, and plenty of franchises that I'm a fan of are either confirmed to be on the Switch, such as a new 3D Mario, or are extremely likely to be on the system, such as Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter, Smash, various RPGs and indies etc etc. It's what I wished the Wii U was. So I feel no remorse for skipping it.
An enhanced remake of a great game is an even better game??
Why does this surprise anyone??
@SegaBlueSky well it does have an actual battle mode all the dlc for free and new content, so i guess its good plus the online play will outlive the wii u so you can play online longer.
@KirbyTheVampire It says alot for the Wii U's games that people want them ported to the Switch. The Gamepad is really just the stepping stone to the Switch and it gave the Wii U second screen features that the Switch doesn't even have. BOTW had the second screen features removed for parity.
Front loading consoles with last gen ports will eventually send the message that people should just skip every other console as they will still get most of the best games.
@westman98 Is it worth $120 (or $132) though?
@Crono1973 Where do you live that the game costs $120? Because your profile says US. Meaning the game starts at 60 bucks. Cheaper if you have GCU or Prime.
@Paddle1 Definitely something to think about when trying to justify the purchase. Especially if you were gonna buy one of the free games regardless. Not really, I took Pikmin 3 but I didn't need it as I already had a physical copy. i also had a physical copy of NSMB U and Wind Waker HD & I didn't want Wii Party U. Truly though, Mario Kart 8 was $60, a free game doesn't make it only cost $30 even if you didn't already have the free game.
@Ryu_Niiyama For those buying it twice.
@Crono1973
If you don't think MK8D is new enough, then that's fine. But I don't think that ruined people's enjoyment of the game, thus the high review scores.
If you played GTAV or The Last of Us on PS3 and don't feel like their PS4 remasters have enough new content (because they have no content at all), then that's fine, but it clearly didn't effect their review scores.
I am sure it is finally deserving of a 10 because of the inclusion of a true battle mode. Stil don't know if I will ever pick up this version though.
@Crono1973 People could have sold off old copies (or even their wiiu), or they might not have gotten the DLC the first time around, or maybe they want to play it on the new hotness. They may not have even paid 60 bucks the first time. If they are buying it then yes it is worth 60 bucks a second time around. Ports happen on new systems. They aren't for everyone (in general I'm not a fan, but I see the reasoning behind them) but everyone has their own individual value on their purchases. I re buy fighting games every gen so I can play with friends or online. Waste of money to some...investment to me. Heck I never trade in games so I have a few titles that are straddling systems because I may have bought the new remake for convenience, control changes, enhancements or language (I have three copies of Okami for each of the reasons above)
Resident Evil, AC, TLOU Tomb raider, Skyrim. All games that have been ported for one reason or another and they still sell even to previous owners because they have value to those owners for whatever their reason. So yeah totally worth paying a second time. Besides, you get a full game the first time. Full stop. That purchase has been made and your fun has been had. Now the consideration is for a new version of that product. A port doesn't mean your wiiu version is going to stop working. It just means there is a new option that people can choose to take advantage of...or not. Not the end of the world.
@westman98 Um ok, I guess review scores are the be all, end all for you but I don't know why you said that to me. I was asking if it was worth buying twice at full price. IMO, even perfect review scores don't warrant paying double for a game.
@Ryu_Niiyama That purchase has been made and your fun has been had. Now the consideration is for a new version of that product. This just justifies the first purchase and if you fun has been had, why buy the same thing again? You seem to want to argue that last gen ports and remasters sell, that is not in dispute. Obviously many people on this site think this game is worth paying double for, I am not saying they are lying and won't really buy it. I am saying 'you aren't getting $60 worth of new features so why are you paying $60 more?'
I'm not sure if I'll be getting this, I'm sure it's a great game, I already own Mario Kart 8 on Wii U... But, if I'm not going to play online or someone I know gets a Switch and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, I don't really see the point... The battle mode does make it slightly more interesting though. But I'll be waiting until a good reason comes along. Just like I did with Mario Kart 7, I still haven't found that good reason...
@Crono1973 Because it's Mario Kart.
@ScorpionMG Because it's Mario Kart. Um ok, what's your upper limit before 'because it's Mario Kart' isn't good enough?
@Crono1973 Sigh. I know I write walls of text but I explain myself within them. I'm not arguing at all that ports sell (frankly I don't really care and I've already mentioned I'm not a fan of them in general); rather that the existence of a previous version does not make a port a lower value proposition if it meets your subjective needs. I like the idea of playing MK8 on the go, that is worth me buying it again (I'm a easy to please woman...it's MK8, the game is amazing). Others have more detailed reasons. If you are looking for reasons as to why we are buying this game (and I've given scenarios for other ports for your convenience) you have them. From multiple people. If you are trying to be convinced as to why you should buy it...well I don't think you will find that here. Your mind sounds pretty made up.
Quoting myself here: "Ports happen on new systems. They aren't for everyone (in general I'm not a fan, but I see the reasoning behind them) but everyone has their own individual value on their purchases." Again, I've gone over reasons for buying ports in addition for my own reasons for buying MK8D (others have stated similar reasons already so it isn't like you haven't heard this). So I've answered your question as to why buy the game twice. The value of the purchase is subjective to each individual making the purchase. I've stated that in some form a few times already. I even used other ports that I have bought or that are currently selling to state that point as well.
You aren't trying to have a rational conversation here. To be honest the most straight forward answer to your question is "because I choose to pay for the game on a new system. Full stop." That means I've found it worth the money for whatever reason that I have. However ,for most of us we have a reason that pushed us to coming to that conclusion...and those reasons have been stated.
So on that note, I'm out. Have a wonderful day!
Not surprised. The original release was only ok at best, imo, but the DLC improved it and this version of the game has all that extra content plus a little more. Looking forward to getting this next week.
@Aryx Yes, it was clearly always Nintendo's plan to remove features ,from a game that was supposed to breathe new life into the Wii U no less, so that the Wii U would eventually fail abysmally. Then, three years later, release the game again for their new console with a battle mode. They sure got us good. Seriously though... if you read my past comments, you'll see I've stated I thought this should be cheaper, but your argument is completely illogical. It makes perfect sense for this to be released on their new console, given how many people missed out on it.
@JunkRabbit You're arguments are logical, but it's not that simple. There is definitely overlap and subsets of the groups you listed. I own a Wii U and a Switch. I have this pre-ordered, and the convenience of being able to play portably and on the new system with my wife (Rather than digging out the Wii U) is what has me buying it. Is that worth $60? I don't really think so. Obviously I'm still buying it, so I guess it's not an egregious overpricing on Nintendo's part, but I do think it should be cheaper, probably near the $40 mark. If not for my wife wanting it, I would be passing.
I guess my point is, people still have a right to complain, regardless of whether they choose to purchase or skip this. How they complain about it is a different matter, but you'll have that issue with everything... I don't have an issue with Nintendo pricing at $60. As in, I'm not offended, I don't hope Nintendo goes bankrupt because of it, etc... They're a for profit business, they can and should do whatever makes the most sense to them from a business sense. We are allowed to disagree with that decision though.
@Aryx @Crono1973 Calling Zelda Breath of the Wild a Wii U port isn't correct either. Yes, it started development as a Wii U title, but there was likely a period of a couple years where development shifted to the Switch as well. Releasing on multiple platforms doesn't make it a port. It makes it multi-platform. If this came out on the Wii U, or the Switch version was announced just a couple months prior to the Switch launch, maybe I would agree. But as it stands, Nintendo had a minimum of 1 year (They announced Zelda for NX a year before Switch launch) and likely closer to 2 years (Internal development would have started prior to the public announcement) to develop for Switch hardware. If we're going to argue that counts as a port, then the same could be said for all games being PC ports, since that's where development and testing starts.
Hi. I'd love to try MK8D with my son. Can someone offer me a Switch?
@FX102A Smash for certain will be a Wii U port.
Wasn't quite clear whether there is battle mode online. Sounds like there is? If so, that's a reason for me to drop some money on this version despite having the Wii U and DLC.
I'll be getting, even though I own Wii-U version + DLC
@Crono1973 That's why I said if you were buying of the games regardless, instead of $120 for Pikmin 3 and Mario Kart 8 you'd pay $60 instead. That's a good deal and effectively makes one game free or both half off. Also keep in mind that the free game choices for the Europe were larger than just 4. In your situation I'd take Wii Party U or maybe sell Pikmin 3 if it was worth it.
It definitely doesn't make it free no, but it does make MK8 a better value. You're getting more of the game for $60 this time as well.
@roadrunner343 If we're going to argue that counts as a port, then the same could be said for all games being PC ports, since that's where development and testing starts. You can't be serious with this comment. Games are developed for a target platform and using a PC to develop games doesn't make PC the target platform. As for Breath of the Wild, it spent most of it's development as a Wii U title and I notice that when you say anything about 2 years you attach the term likely meaning that you have no idea how long the game was in development for the Switch. Also, you have no idea when the Wii U version was complete but being held back because of a late decision to port the near completed game to the Switch.
@roadrunner343
True, the categories have been somewhat simplified for sake of argument and clarity, and there could be more sub-categories (Wii U and Switch owners who already have the game for Wii U as oppoesed to those that don't for example), but from a certain perspective they will still be part of another group, and may not be relevant for my point. Which is: Make up your mind ("is the upgrade worth the asking price?") and stand by your decision. You for example have apparently made up your mind (for very individual reasons, like everyone else), and do accept the consequences. It's your own decision after all. I'd say by that you fit into group c.1. You might have arrived at that decision grudginly (of course I would also be happy to pay less, who wouldn't), but that's irrelevant. You can never complain about your own decision. And YOU don't, apparently, which is good and fair. But some make such decisions and then gripe about it, telling everybody else how bad it is... That's the kind of behaviour I don't get. a wise person once said: Change what you cannot accept, and accept what you cannot change. Based on that (but not only that) I tend to make my decisions - and carry them with all consequences. I am the only one responsible for them. Noone else is to blame, not Nintendo, not fellow gamers.
In any case, I was getting the feeling that for some reason some Wii U only owners are the most vocal with these complaints, which is funny of course. So my other major point was: Keep in mind that this is not a Wii U Update, but a game for the Switch.
@Paddle1 I disagree, a free game didn't lower the price of Mario Kart 8, it was $60 and in my case, the free game was just a duplicate.
@Fandabidozi this game wont have any dlc
This game deserves a 10 , it is an amazing game with all DLC plus new modes and features.
New purple drift boost sounds intriguing, can't wait get my switch.
Snipperclips, MK8, I am setsuna and ITroll are first games I'm buying. ITroll looks so fun.
@EternalDragonX You don't know that, there's plenty of "Deluxe" versions of games which get DLC after launch. For example Hyrule Warriors Legends.
Everyone saying that $60 is too much of forgetting that this is coming with all of the DLC from before bundled in. It may be pricey for people like us who bought all the dlc but Nintendo is trying to market this to new people, a bundle makes sense.
Not only that, but this is more than a port because of all of the content added from the previous game.
Not to mention this is a portable HD Mario kart, that's absurdly awesome. The game pad was never this portable.
@Crono1973 That actually wasn't a factor for me at all. I kinda got out of console gaming for a while and really only played games that interested me on Steam, and I only started really following the gaming industry after I saw the Switch reveal trailer, so I honestly didn't know porting games was so prevalent in the industry. I just chose not to buy the Wii U only because there wasn't enough there for me, and because I eventually started hearing the NX rumors and figured I'd wait and see if it interested me more than the Wii U. But yeah, I can see how that could be an issue.
@Crono1973 No, of course I wasn't being serious with that comment - but that was the point. It's hyperbolic to say that it's nothing more than a Wii U port, just as it's EXTREMELY hyperbolic to call it a PC port.
As for the Likely comment - It's an educated guess. It's not like I threw a random number out there with no logic or reasoning. The fact that Nintendo announced it a year before Switch launched means that there was a minimum of a year of development. And you can be just about 100% certain development started well before the public announcement (Like every other game) so you know it had over a year of development time. Considering the NX was publicly confirmed 2 years prior, it's a pretty safe bet (Though not certain, obviously) that development was already started then, if not sooner.
So yes, I am speculating some, but to argue against it (Which I encourage) is still speculating - just on the opposite end of the spectrum.
Having played all the games in the series except 8 I am beyond excited for this definitive version.
I suspect that due to the assist modes it will introduce my 3 year old boy to the wonderful world of video games too.
@JunkRabbit I agree with everything you've said. I'm not blaming Nintendo for my decision. Again, I've accepted it and I purchased it. But once I again, I still think think consumers have the right to voice their concerns. Just because you purchase a product, and overall you may like the product, doesn't mean you should be silenced from voicing gripes about the product.
At the end of the day, there's extremes on both ends. I don't think you fall into that category, but that is why I felt the need to respond the way I did. There's people that do the non-stop complaining in a destructive manner, but then there's also the people that tell everyone to shut up and don't buy it if they don't like it - which is also not a helpful response. In the end, regardless of the side you take on any topic, I think thoughtful criticism (Not flaming/baseless bashing) is helpful for Nintendo. If there's enough feedback from players that this may be pushing the price a bit too far, maybe they'll take that into consideration for future ports.
Final comment on the topic - this is a personal decision, it doesn't impact my previous arguments - but if these ports were all released at $29.99 or $39.99, I could see myself buying half a dozen or more, just to have them portable. As it stands, I will definitely only be buying MK8 and Smash Bros if it gets a port. I think maybe others feel the same. Still, if Nintendo makes far more money off the $60 price tag from new consumers than they lose from people like me, they obviously made the right business decision. Personally, my hunch would be if they ported all of their popular games at $29-$39, they would have been received much better and they would sell more copies, especially to previous owners. Speculation, of course. Guess we'll never know for sure.
So I'm going to apologize right now to those that race me online. If I drop...it is because I am playing at work and I can only play just a little bit, no rage quitting here!
@roadrunner343 It was was a game developed for the Wii U that was ported late in development. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the Wii U version was 90% (or more) complete before the porting even began. It may have even been 100% complete (except for removing the second screen features). Breath of the Wild is not even as distinctive as Twilight Princess on the Wii was and no one has issues saying that Twilight Princess was a Gamecube game ported to the Wii.
Wow, the first MK to score a 10 on Nintendo Life! Awesome!
Can't wait to play this next week!
@Crono1973 That's fair enough. I wouldn't be extremely surprised if development was that far along, but I don't think that it was 90% done. Who knows for sure? The company has much more knowledge of their own upcoming hardware than we would. So it also wouldn't surprise me if the shift to Switch happened as much as 3 years ago given NX was confirmed 2 years ago. Regardless, I don't think this is an example of a last minute port to Switch, but I understand how you could make that argument.
@roadrunner343
Agreed. There's exceptions to every rule, and in order to get a point across one do tends to generalize. Me, too. I understand what you're getting at, and I think my point is probably just that they're not just saying "this is not for me" and that's it (ideally adding a thought-through and fair "because..."), but that they're somehow angry with this discovery and decision and need someone to blame, voicing their disdain so matter-of-factly, as if everyone else who thinks otherwise must be utterly nuts.
As for the pricing of ports and that double-dipping would probably be mich more frequent with a lot of people: I'm with you on this 100%. Heck, I was a console gamer for most of my life, and when I got a new and resonably powerful gaming PC a few years back, the first thing I did was to get a lot of PC ports of my favorite 360 games for €5 or so, just to play them a bit with better graphics. Didn't matter if I didn't finish them completely again, because I didn't pay too much for them. So yeah, this basically works, too. But I do want Nintendo to do well with the Switch. They're nearly the only creative, imaginative and innovative left in the industry (not to mention the risks they take with that stance), and that deserves our support in my eyes... (and of course their products are also just really, really good...)
@Crono1973
I never said reviews were "end-all-be-alls". If you don't think the game is worth it, then that's you. Review scores should not dictate purchases, especially if the game is a port/remaster that you don't think is worth buying/rebuying.
Just don't be surprised when a port/remaster gets high scores.
Its ported from wii U. Which a lot of switch owners current & future never bought. added all DLC the new battle mode improved resolution etc & its £42 I dont see the big issue hell its cheaper than Bomberman that well has issues to say the least.
This is great value for a huge game with a ginormous amount of content and improved visuals, extra characters and BATTLE MODE! Plus you will be able to play 12 local players in the same room - how amazing is that?!!!!!! Not only that - it will sell a huge amount of SWITCH systems - the more systems are sold ..and the more games that are bought is only BETTER for our gaming future! Yay!
@invictus4000 That was me last month..... "I'm not even sure if/when I'm going to get the Switch...." Orders Zelda and MK8D by March 8th. Picks up Switch a month later...
@SanderEvers I agree. Nintendo will stretch it out longer now. A good chunk of folks will be playing it for the first time. My bet is spring 2019.
@Adamario You should see the Digital Foundry video, if you haven't, about the comparisons between the WiiU and Switch versions. The WiiU version would alot of time run at 59fps......ZOMG!!! Then they say how people can actually notice it...
for someone who hasnt played a Mario Kart since 64 I am looking forward to this, but I get not wanting or impressed by ports or remastered games from previous generation
@subpopz We don't need an echo chamber of hype.
@zionich So many people are so wrapped up in frame rates and resolutions that I think they only play games to be impressed/disappointed by their tech, not to have fun. Frame rate can be important if there are huge dips but 59 instead of 60, that's just silly.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE So...what's stopping you from getting a Switch again?
@Crono1973 I couldn't agree more. I remember a time when I just played games to have fun or get lost in a story not count pixels and refresh rates.
@JaxonH Monster Hunting... I would ask for more Monster Hunting in Mario Kart =P
@Crono1973
I have the Wii U version.
I will buy AGAIN the Switch version.
There is Nothing wrong to Double Dip as long the games are not exactly 100% same.
You will regret with your decision to not choose Switch version while I can play Switch version anywhere.
@zionich
Monster Hunting mode ?
And who will be the Monster ?
@Anti-Matter Send us pictures of you playing 'anywhere', please.
@Anti-Matter Would it matter lol
@rdrunner1178
Gamestop was still doing the trade-in deal last time I checked, but my local game shop is of course way more generous than Gamestop. Probably gonna pick it up digitally. So I will just get some eshop cards with my trade-in credit.
@zionich That's where I still am. I never really got caught up in all this HD stuff and now it's 4K and all I can think is, we already had Y2K and it was a flop. My opinions come from a different time I guess, we were impressed by graphics but we could still play an NES game without complaint (or even an Atari 2600 game). We never even knew what resolution meant even though the SNES could run in different resolutions. What was important was that Mario could ride on Yoshi and Chrono Trigger had a great battle system and time travel. None of this '720p makes my eyes bleed' nonsense.
@subpopz Absolutely this. People who already dumped 200 hours into it, it's not for you. It's for people who didn't purchase a Wii U. And there's a lot of them.
@Crono1973 I watch my son, 8 years old, jump up and down in excitement for Lego City Undercover for the Switch after he has dang near 100% it on the WiiU. He doesn't complain about load times, graphics, fps or it being a port. He just loves the game.
He wanted it so much that he was counting his money and my daughter was going to give him some of her money just so he can go out and buy it.
It was hard to keep on coming up with reasons on why we couldn't goto the store, I already got it for him for Easter.
So I am not convinced by any of the its a port, it doesn't deserve a 10, it doesnt have that much extra content conversational BS.
It is either just a great game that appeals to you or it doesn't.
@Anti-Matter you must of played the 3ds version of Mario kart 7 everywhere too
@zionich What other financial decision do you let your 8 year old make?
@Funky_Kong They would be foolish to not have an MK9. This sold 8 million copies on a system of only 13 million users. This will have a nice attach rate for the Switch.
With a presumably larger MK9 userbase, that would be like kissing 600 million plus in sales goodbye..
@Crono1973 totally all people talk about now is frame rate, people will play a turd of a game and story if its 4K and 60fps
Balloon Battle is still crappy. 5/10 for Wii U owners.
For me , the Wii U version was a solid 9.After they released the dlc, which I bought right away I felt that the game was a 10, even though Battle Mode was underwhelming.
Still, had it been a 40 bucks game, yes, then the Switch version clearly deserved a 10, but as it is a 8.5 in my book. In other reviews, NL has lowered the score based on either the price or that it had been released on other platforms before. So, why change now?
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Didn't you know? It's a Nintendo game on Nintendo Life. And it's a Mario Kart title. Of course they're going to give the MK8D score double standard benefits that they would normally not give to 3rd party titles.
I'll just leave this here...
@Crono1973 I am not sure what exactly you are asking. He can spend his money as he sees fit. As far as Lego City goes, I already knew I was going to get that for him.
Personally, I think it's too early to give a proper review for MK8D. This really should be just a preview. A vital part of the game (and probably the most important one) involves online gameplay, and that obviously isn't available yet. I would say it should be one of those "Score Pending" situations, with a bent towards a 10 if everything is done right and no major issues are found with multiplayer sessions, and a 9 instead if there are multiple minor issues. Maybe even an 8 if some things are missing or broken. Can't take a score like this seriously yet, when only the offline aspect of it is being judged.
Traditionally, a score for a remaster/port will have an uphill battle getting that extra whole number. That's the weakness of not having fractions, because half a point should get taken off if it turns out to be almost the same experience, and just acts like a DLC expansion pack added onto the base game. The value proposition is nice for a newcomer, but not as good for someone who already played the Wii U original version. There needs to be a little something more for that extra half point.
@zionich So did he buy it with his money or did you buy it?
@JunkRabbit
"In any case, I was getting the feeling that for some reason some Wii U only owners are the most vocal with these complaints".
There are some phenomenally bitter Wii U owners really struggling to process that console (justifiably) flopping. You've got some posters who did nothing but criticise Wii U yet now are trying to pretend it's a match for Switch. You've got some surprised by it failing when the perceptive among us knew in 2013 it was going to fail. You've got some giving it the 'oh woe is us Nintendo deserted us' routine when in reality they did well to support it for 3 years after it was obviously failing. You've got one who's actually posted on this thread 30+ trying to persuade people not to buy this game. The hurt must be deep.
@Funky_Kong MK8D will NOT outsell MK8 in a matter of months! MK8 sold 9 million copies. Last I saw there are only 2.4 million Switches in the entire world.
Now, eventually it might outsell MK8 just based on the fact that Switch will likely far outsell Wii U, but it won't happen in the first several months.
@Crono1973 I had already had it ready as an Easter gift long before he started counting his money.
I made it up to 56K in pts on MK7!
Only managed to get up to 15K on MK8.
Let's see how I'll fair this time around on MK8D! Can't Wait!!!
At first I thought April 28th was too late for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe but now I'm starting to see a pretty solid plan by Nintendo. For many people, Zelda is still a must-play but I think lots of people have completed it now and are ready to give it a break. It's been 8 solid weeks of game play for most people. Just as Zelda fatigue sets in, Mario Kart arrives. I know there are lots of people who own Mario Kart 8 on Wii U but compared to the Wii version, it sold about a 1/3 so there is plenty of room for new buyers. The game is going to sell extremely well and help keep people busy for the foreseeable future. It's replay value will be judged in years, not months. Puyo, Puyo Tetris is launching now, too. Two highly re-playable games.
@electrolite77 You guys need Wii U games to justify your Switch purchase and I find the hype ridiculous.
@zionich Why, if I may ask, did he need to play the same game on two different consoles?
@Yasume someone sounds salty and xbox and sony has the done the same thing.
@Crono1973
Well... right now I haven't owned Switch yet.
But I promise I will show to you my photos with Switch + Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.
Maybe December 2017 will be my Switch purchase day. I still save some money.
See you on December 2017.
@Anti-Matter Sounds like a plan.
I'm good with my Wii U version, thank you.
On the other hand, if my Wii U died along with my copy of Mario Kart 8, I might consider it.
@Funky_Kong Yeah, what @Fred13 said. It's physically impossible for MK8D to outsell the original version until the end of year holiday season at the absolute earliest, more likely not until next year. Don't count on 90%+ early attach rate, 80%+ is more likely.
The next big shipment of systems should be coming in the next week or two to coincide with the MK8D release, but that will go quickly. Most of May will have MK8D copies being the primary bread winner, but consoles won't be available for most of the month. Maybe another shipment will come in late May to get in more MK8D sales, but then again, the next shipment after the late April/early May one could be postponed until closer to E3. Hype + big shipment = better momentum opportunity. Still red light, green light for right now, in any case.
@Crono1973 I don't mind you asking. First and foremost though I have to say that when it comes to videogames I'm sure we all know there's no such thing as need it's really just want.
To answer your question it's actually quite simple. The ability to actually play the game on the go it's just an amazing feature for me. We did a five hour road trip over spring break and the portability of the Switch worked out beautifuly. The coolest thing about Lego City Undercover is as multiplayer which gives him and me the chance to play it together, like the other Lego games, also his sister and he doesn't have to take turns and or fight over it.
Portability is the same reason I hope for more ports of games. We played the heck out of our 3DS' and I finally dusted off my Vita because I found out that Salt and Sanctuary finally came out for it.
@UK-Nintendo
Ah, yup.
I have Mario Kart 7 3DS too.
@Nintendofan83 Agreed the line up is pretty well aligned. Even if I had passed on MK8D as was my original plan I was getting Tetris anyway. So now I have two games lined up this month (excluding eshop stuff) and Street Fighter next month. Like I said a week into launch. I just bought this thing and I already have a backlog. I also think it was smart to toss out Lego City so early. Most of us were still clomping around in Zelda and if we weren't the target demographic we didn't notice in time to become annoyed or disgruntled. But others that may not like Zelda got a different open world game to play. Which will also suck up hours of your life. I just want them to keep it up!
@Funky_Kong You're not wrong, a year is a matter of months... Another big takeaway there, as well, is that Nintendo didn't have to break the bank to improve on an already great edition of Mario Kart. So they don't even have to sell that much to roll around in delicious golden dough! Much healthier than either spending tons of money on something like the new Tomb Raider, and losing money if it's not a blockbuster, or doing a lazy port with minor upscaling COUGHLASTOFUSCOUGH
People predicting Mario Kart 9 here- and I predict it too, but on the basis of this logic:
Mario Kart 64 (Console) - 1998
Mario Kart Super Circuit (Handheld) - 2001
Mario Kart: Double Dash!! (Console) - 2003
Mario Kart DS (Handheld) - 2005
Mario Kart Wii (Console) - 2008
Mario Kart 7 (Handheld) - 2011
Mario Kart 8 (Console) - 2014
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Hybrid) - 2017
Notice the pattern? The series alternates from handheld to console in the past, and with the exception of Double Dash, come in three year intervals. When it comes to the Switch it was a bit of a wildcard, but I can see the reasoning. They typically make one Mario Kart per console, but as Nintendo's next generation merges the handheld and console platforms they need a new strategy for consistent Mario Kart releases.
I imagine that the series will continue its three year intervals, and depending on whether Nintendo sticks to the Hybrid concept in the future, there'll be one 'Deluxe' version of the previous game with added features at the beginning of the console, and a brand new game some time later.
So if there's anyone holding their breath for a new Mario Kart game- maybe 2020's a bit too far off!
@Crono1973 You have a point, but it's worth considering that MK8D (once all the online features are up and running) is at least an expansion and DLC pack on top of the base game. Plus, the online community is going to steadily shift over to the newer version over time. And of course, it's portable. So there is a valid justification there for double dippers, whereas you're completely wasting your money if you bought something like The Last of Us on both PS3 and PS4. (Edit: Oops, not Xbox, but what's the difference in the 8th generation anyways, lol)
@MarioFanatic64 Very good point! Can't expect Mario Kart 9 until 2019/2020 at the earliest, to prevent MK8D being cannibalized and vice versa for MK9.
The Switch is nothing more than die hard Nintendo fan bois mixed in with some randos that wanted to play Zelda (rightfully so). This line is hilarious:
"do we scale back praise because it's content we've mostly seen before, or simply judge a release on its own merits? We've opted for the latter here"
Nothing but a bunch of fan bois. Even working for the site.
When Switch numbers fall off a cliff in a month and this site is taking another paper thin devil's advocate stance, just know you're not fooling me. As always.
@zionich Ok, fair enough.
played the crap out of it on WII U but cant wait to try it out with the pro controller and in portable mode and in battle mode !!!!!!!! YAY
@gatorboi352 You really just come across as a miserable person that just wants to make other miserable. I admire the honestly in that conclusion.
What makes it a bad game. Because it is a port?
What I find to be the biggest heap of foolishness is that it is ok to stand on a pedestal and say that people that enjoy Nintendo and what they produce as fan bois but shouting your venom because you want or truly believe the Switch will fail is righteous or prophetic.
@Crono1973 My Switch purchase has a long way to go before I can come close to it being justified.... That said, I am looking forward to Deluxe, even if it is over priced. I'm still hoping that Nintendo throws those of us who own both versions a bone. It wouldn't be hard to do, since I have my account linked to my old one. Like, maybe a $20 credit or even just some eShop discounts.....
@JamesR 200 hours? I played it for over 1800. Yes, I need help.
@rockodoodle At the very least, I'd appreciate it if I could transfer the Wii U version's save data so I wouldn't have to start over. This is definitely on my to-buy list once I get a Switch, but it's hard not to feel sour about putting effort into the incomplete version of the game.
@Kayfios What's the point on buying the 'new' game if everything is unlocked? Start from the beginning and have fun. Online content is all unclocked so just take the opportunity to have fun again in single player too. ^^
@electrolite77
Yes, that's exactly who and what I meant. I understand the different sorts of reasoning behind it, and could imagine as much. Thanks for elaborating on this though. However, it still doesn't make sense to me really. These are really only explanations after all, not an excuse. There's a difference to my mind. All this misery of theirs seems to be just the result of some kind of twisted perspective - glass-half-empty insisters if you will. I usually like to offer a different perspective, though I'm aware that in many cases this is a futile effort, as they must then decide if they're willing to see light where all they can see are shadows. And more often than not they apparetly feel threatened by a more positive view. It's a perfectly normal thing, too, if you view your perspective as sort of "property". Changing it (giving it up) then feels like personal loss (not only losing an argument, but something more solid than that).
And since you bring it up (and offering a different perspective on that, too): I understand why for Nintendo the Wii U might have been a commercial flop. But on a personal level for Wii U owners I do not understand the sentiment. Last I counted I had over 60 titles for Wii U across retail and digital, and most of them really exceptionally good games, which presented me with countless hours of joy and happiness, certainly good entertainment. This certainly does not feel like the system has failed me.
How many games must you be able to own and play for any one system to feel like it was worth it (in which case you really have no reason to complain)? That's the different perspective I offer in this case: What the system was for Nintendo and what it wasn't is really not important to me on a personal level (of course I want Nintendo to do well, so they can continue to do what they do best: innovate in hardware, make some of the greatest games of all time, and generally bring us happiness).
I really do not feel that the Wii U was a failure. I love the system and had so much fun with it, as the perople we're talking about apparently do and have, too. Is it still supported? Not so much, that's true. But has it brought me joy while it was still alive and kicking (or struggling)? Tons! Certainly enough to make owning it worthwhile (and I'm not done with the system, even though I have other systems to play) and be content.
It's not so hard to view it from that perspective, and just be happy what the console has meant to you during its active years. And then there's really no reason to complain. Gaming consoles are not so expensive as for it to make a big difference if their life-span is five years or only four I believe (if you put away only 1 (insert currency of choice) each month you can afford a new console every three years, if you put away 2 currency, you can even own every iteration of two different consoles. That's really not so much.
I guess all I'm saying is that all this could be seen much more relaxed. It's only gaming after all.
@invictus4000 Why should I have to pay for Nintendo's mistakes? There's a whole host of reasons why I'm not buying the Switch yet.
A 10...for a port with added battle-mode. Ah well...
@Fandabidozi
YES! BRING PETEY BACK!
I don't want to even count how much I've played MK8. A lot I say. Maybe I'll grab this some point but tight on money and Splatoon2 is priority.
@invictus4000 Same here, honestly, I've been going back and forth constantly on whether or not to buy it as I already have it on Wii U along with the DLC. But I've finally decided to go through with it as it's the best MK game I've ever played and having it on the go would be great!
The original on Wii U sucked, so I'm sure this will too.
@Crono1973 "...and was dated for it" I said about Lego City, MK8 does the same but in the eyes of the reviewer, still feels fresh. That was my point.
@Steel76 business wise releasing 9 now would be silly. Millions of people ignored the Wii U so I don't blame Nintendo for releasing Mario kart 8 for switch. This will sell loads and Nintendo still have plenty of time to release 9 for switch. No need to release MK 9 this early for Switch.
Don't get me wrong, I am annoyed they have not included any new tracks but I can see why Nintendo are releasing this at this time for switch.
Plus playing MK 8 as a handheld game is so sick!
Can we do battle mode online?
@JunkRabbit
Yeah I agree. Fanboy wars are nothing new, but to see the desperation for the new Nintendo to fail from owners of the same companies previous machine is very odd. It's a new one on me.
When I got my Wii U in late 2013 I had my eyes open. I knew it wasn't going to be a commercial success, I expected a cult machine with 3-4 years of Nintendo games. On here I was hugely critical of Nintendo for their mistakes and thought they'd put themselves on the brink of irrelevance. Now I see a firm doing a very good job of learning from those mistakes.
I can understand Wii U owners not being in a rush to upgrade, surely it's a good thing as it saves them money until the machine is more attractive. Some don't seem to need it that way and are desperate to play down Switch selling when Wii U didn't. Some psychologist could probably get a paper out of it.
@Crono1973
What I find ridiculous is people giving you their reasons for wanting a Switch and, either because they don't apply to you or you're simply too blinded by your need to defend the Wii U, you denying them. If you could get your head around the concept of other people wanting different things e.g. the portability, being happy to double dip on some games, wanting the best version of certain games etc. this would all be a lot less confusing to you. It's not a difficult concept either.
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@JunkRabbit Agreed. I've always thought the Wii U was criminally underrated. Definitely a misunderstood console that was poorly marketed. But I loved it. I only had about 15 retail games, and a few download games, but I probably only ever really get about 15-20 games per console. Wii U had some amazing games (MK9, Smash Bros, Super Mario 3D World, Mario Make, Xenoblade, Zelda) That I really can't see how any Wii U owner can complain. Like you, I wish it was a bigger commercial success, but perhaps it's failure led to the Switch being what it is today - and at a hardware level, I love the Switch way more than the Wii U - So maybe it wasn't all bad.
@Grumblevolcano I hope you are right, I can't get enough of Mario Kart but what I really want is a Nintendo Kart with more characters from different IP like Super Smash.
More content and greater presentation than ever. Not sure yet if I will be buying it a second time, but I just might have to at some point.
I'm torn on this. Mario Kart 8 was my favorite Wii U game. I find it hard to pay full price for a game with only one more additional mode. After all, considering I paid full price the first time and bought the DLC, I have a lot invested in the game.
I don't doubt that it will be amazing to have a good number of people to race against online. I just don't know if will buy it.
A 10/10 review of an enhanced port we all played and without even testing Internet multiplayer properly is not what I expect from Nintendo Life.
IS GOOMBA A PLAYABLE CHARACTER YET!??
@PlywoodStick @Funky_Kong MK8D will outsell MK8 and MK8D outselling MK8 "In the first year" might happen, but I would guess it'll take a little over a year. Even on Wii U only about 60% of console owners bought it and NINTENDO GIFTED A FREE 2ND GAME TO ANYONE THAT BOUGHT IT IN THE FIRST FEW MONTHS (I got Pikmin 3 with is) so I don't anticipate it'll sell to that high of a percentage of console owners. I'd say give it 2 years to outsell the Wii U version.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I cant say I fully understand. It's thier next console. Werr you reluctant to upgrade from Wii to Wii U too? Or DS to 3DS?
@electrolite77 Are you saying that hyperbole is a good thing because to me, it's a bunch of adults acting like children on the way to Dairy Queen.
@electrolite77 - Re: Psychologist Paper, I look forward to the chapter addressing the strange and irrational phenomenon of, "I'VE never seen someone playing a Switch in public, therefore portablilty isn't a factor/is a gimmick".
@Crono1973 - I know! It's so lame that Nintendo fans from around the world who congregate on a Nintendo fan site would get excited about the release of an improved version of, maybe, the best iteration yet of Kart. Thank you for spending a good portion of your day yesterday yanking the brake on the hype train. It was a noble effort.
Still hoping for some new courses eventually.
@bimmy-lee Hype is certainly not limited to Nintendo fans but this is a port of a game most Nintendo fans have played and recently no doubt. Like I said before, people just need something, ANYTHING, to justify their Switch purchase and Wii U ports are it, they have to be as there is little else. Atleast we haven't seen that stupid meme 'Shut up and take my money' yet. Corporations should be trying to get consumers to buy things, not consumers begging corporations to take their money. It is this pro-corporate attitude that has, over time, turned the game industry into the anti-consumer entity it is today.
@bimmy-lee My point with that is that the only defining feature about the Switch from fans is that it's portable and they can play it on the go. The number of people who say that and the number of people that are seen in public doing it are vastly different. To me, it's just some people trying to justify their purchase with a feature that they will never actually use. How many people in public have you seen playing a Switch?
@JunkRabbit "And Group c)? Well, depending on the sub-group they just need to make up their mind and all is set. They can then either dig in and be happy, or ignore it. But complaining about something they have no interest in (c.2) is not only pointless, but also illogical to my mind."
Sssshhhh....they're trying to be angry. Not just that, this is all they have in their lives.
I hated MK8 on Wii U. It was the biggest disappointment of the year for me: bland base game tracks that felt like the first drafts, Coins in the item boxes, preference for heavy characters, boring additions to the roster, no Battle Mode, unable to hold spare items. Will the new balancing and mechanics in Deluxe make it worthwhile?
@Crono1973 - If an individual purchases a Switch, they've already made their justifications. I haven't been a portable gamer since Game Boy, and I'm excited about Switch portability if only for within my own home. My WiiU doesn't have the range, and I don't find it convenient to lug the console and game pad around with me as you've suggested prior.
Still don't have a Switch so won't really comment on this apart from to say I have MK8 on my Wii U, love it, haven't played it in ages so as to whether I'll get it again when I get a Switch, I doubt it. But for all you people who didn't have a Wii U and picked up a Switch, you're in for a treat. Easily the best Mario Kart game.
@electrolite77 "When I got my Wii U in late 2013 I had my eyes open. I knew it wasn't going to be a commercial success, I expected a cult machine with 3-4 years of Nintendo games."
Pretty much this - I knew it was about, knew it wasn't doing great and I wasn't all that bothered about any consoles but I thought I would give it a go as I'd heard there was some really good software on it. Regardless of whether it sold boatloads or not, I personally got my money's worth out of it and have played and I'm still playing some amazing games. Only just started Tropical Freeze recently. Wow. Hard as nails but so damn good.
@Crono1973
"My point with that is that the only defining feature about the Switch from fans is that it's portable and they can play it on the go. The number of people who say that and the number of people that are seen in public doing it are vastly different. To me, it's just some people trying to justify their purchase with a feature that they will never actually use. How many people in public have you seen playing a Switch?"
By that logic, Nintendo should have stopped making portable systems after the Game Boy then. Obviously things haven't worked out on the portable scene at all. A fair point.
@bimmy-lee Only within your own home isn't 'Anytime, Anywhere' and it's really not that much different from the Gamepad. So it's your belief that people who bought it on Wii U really are hyped over a 3 year old port and they aren't just compensating for buying a console without a good library?
@Crono1973 - Yes, that's my belief. I still enjoy it on my WiiU, why wouldn't someone enjoy it on their Switch? I also disagree with your opinion about Switch not having a "good library". This whole "justification" thing is pretty weird if you ask me. What does anyone need to justify, and who, exactly, are they making their justifications to? You? Gatorboi? Some sort of appointed official deemed worthy to judge our purchases as "just" or "unjust"? Does this expand beyond video games and entertainment? I've gotten a couple estimates to replace the furnace and air in my home. The old units are still working, but they're very old; and I'm afraid they will break down at an inopportune time. Do I have your permission to proceed? Will my purchase be "just"?
Edit: As I stated, I'm not a portable gamer, so the "Any time, Anywhere" angle is lost on me, but I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who will have a lot of fun playing console games on the go.
@bimmy-lee Justification. They bought a Switch, finished Zelda (a Wii U port) and are now wishing they had more to play on it. Mario Kart 8 is a proven game so that's something to get excited over because what else is there to get excited over. They go online to talk about their misplaced excitement and find others and that ramps up the excitement and next thing we know people can't wait until next week to play a game they already have but refuse to play because they are waiting for the version on their new and expensive console.
@Crono1973 take mine to work everyday. play it on the train, then at lunchtime and then on train home.
it gets used as a handheld far more often then a home console. I love the portabilty. beast handheld console!!
@kobashi100 Cool, how many others have you witnessed doing that?
how many tracks of the 48 use those "hover" wheels? or is that just a wheel type that you can put on anytime?
@ValhallaOutcast The hover wheels are used automatically, there is very little gameplay involved with them (unless I was playing it wrong). I don't know for certain but I would think all the tracks have sections for the hover wheels.
@Crono1973 - I guess that's... a way to look at it. Have fun.
@bimmy-lee You too.
@Crono1973 thanks, I haven't played a Mario Kart since 64 so I am use to more "flat" course , the videos where the tracks twist and look like a roller coaster are not my favourite
@jeb_leeds How would a Goomba steer the Kart and work the pedals?
Rosalina take the wheel!
I'm getting really hyped for this. I'm the only one with a Switch in my office right now (getting some envious looks though) so I'm setting up tourneys. May have to buy an extra set of Joycons...I have a BYOC policy.
Based on the pre-release reviews it's the highest rated MK entry so far. Fantastic start.
@Crono1973 @bimmy-lee
I like Chapter 2.7.1, where subject C goes on a Nintendo site after a Nintendo console launch, where users are pleased with their purchase and happy to see it doing well, and interprets this as hyperbole.
Or 2.7.2 where Subject C embarks on a canute-like attempt to singlehandedly hold back the swell of positivity by arguing that Switch owners who are happy with their purchase are wrong and their reasons don't count. The chapter is called ''an exercise in futility'.
A 10!? My God...
@bimmy-lee
Just wonder.
What do you think when you see people play Handheld games (3DS/ps vita/ Switch/ smartphone/etc) ?
What are Afraid from owning a Handheld ? Power ? Stereotype from people ? Smaller screen ?
I just don't get it. Having a portability that means I even can play my games while lying on the bed or any place.
No new tracks is the deal breaker for me. Not a single new cup, that should dock it half a point at least. You have to REALLY want Battle Mode for the 60 dollars be worth it.
@Anti-Matter - I think portable gaming is a bigger deal than ever, and Nintendo was wise to design a hybrid console around such a clear concept (one they've already mastered). I would have loved a Switch when I lived in Philadelphia and spent 2.5 hours a day on public transport, though I wouldn't have finished as many books. I guess I've just always been an at-home gamer, but I'm sure I'll have a Switch by the end of this year; and I look forward to the complete home portability that my WiiU can't manage on a much nicer screen. Thanks!
@electrolite77 - It will be a fascinating thesis full of strange and erratic human behavior.
@Funky_Kong If they go DLC and release roughly the same number of tracks, I'd be fine with that.
I don't think splitting online community would be that big of a deal- I'm guessing they won't release a new MK until 2019 at the earliest and most will be pretty sick of these tracks by then anyway.
Here's the release dates:
Mk DS Nov. 2005
MK Wii April 2008
MK 3ds Dec. 2011
MK Wii U May 2014
MK 8D April 2017
So, based on this, I'd say that 2020 is going to be the next one
@Kayfios i think everything is unlocked. I guess you start over as far as your power ranking.
As for the Wii U game being incomplete- I disagree, given that we got more tracks (DLC, but at a steal of a price- and if you got the game in summer of 2014, Nintendo gave you a free game). So, I'm fine with the Wii U version not having the content that Deluxe has.
@Anti-Matter Yeah, portability rocks. I love taking my stuff to the gym whilst I do cardio. Occasionally take it to the bar during happy hour and play it when things are slow.
do we scale back praise because it's content we've mostly seen before, AND SCORE IT AN 8
or simply judge a release on its own merits? AND GIVE IT A 10
Value for money alone should have lost it a point. And single players having no cups to unlock should have lost it another point.
TRUE SCORE 8.
When Nintendo releases other Wii u games on the Switch; ones that didn't do so well ie. Starfox, are you going to bend your own scoring rules to suit the game.
Shame 😶
@Funky_Kong
I have feeling if Mario Kart 9 have another new feature : Vehicle Transformation like Gestahl Mode FF XIII (Imagine from Motorcycle suddenly can transform into Cyber Kart or ATV suddenly transform into Magic Carpet, etc)
I was on the fence because I bought WiiU and the dlc but then I minded. Back when they first released mk8 wiiu , Nintendo done a promo where you got a free game download and I got pikmin 3. So in theory I didn't pay for mk8 and now a real battle mode and where most online play will be , it may just be enough to get me hooked again, and I never did gold all the 200cc or get the gold karts so I think il be getting it now . Like said I got pikmin free so look at it as if I bought pikmin and just paying for mk8 now, it's like they knew they would rerelease it and gave early adopters a freebie to ease that
When you see the Lego Undercover Review, you see how much bias they have with this game. 10/10...
@Funky_Kong Modnation Racers say hi
Never played the WiiU version, will be picking this up for sure
I am getting a switch soon, someone answer for me ( I didn't have mario kart 8).
Should I buy this?
Online experience more glitchy than the WiiU. As has been stated countless times already - for those new to MK8 get it..for those who own it already...think hard.
Got it and I love it! Smoother better graphics and battle mode is amazing!
I am LOVING this in handheld mode way more than I thought I would
Why did the reviewer forget to mention HD-rumble? The rumble in this game is amazing!
Beep Beep Beep Mario is coming through zoom zoom zoom!
It was my 2nd Switch game and I love it.
MK is my all time favorite franchise across any console. i absolutely loved MK8 on wiiU, so i was a little shocked im not as crazy about the little tweaks to MK8 deluxe. the 2nd item slot would be a great addition (double dash was my all time fave) but without a option to switch between items is frustrating. the added drift is a nice touch i just wish i knew about it when i first played. what bothers me most is the tweak to gameplay, which this review didn't touch on. drifting is different, if you drift too early or late it slows you up considerably. also, the lifetime player stats has been altered, removing overall wins/losses and options to display how many times you've placed top 3, or only showing win/losses with friends or people i've met online. this is a real bummer for me as i put in hundreds of hours on MK7/MK8 and i take pride in my overall wins/losses. the game is still great obviously but i feel these minor changes weren't necessary. also i wish i could unlock other things besides karts/parts. i enjoyed unlocking characters and things like that. ill still play mk8d a ton but these little changes are disappointing
Definitely a great way to bring Mario Kart 8 over to the Switch, feels really complete now, and I don’t think it needs anymore DLC.
I only wish they had a congratulatons screen at the end of the credits with all the characters like in previous Mario Kart games ;3
Most sold game on switch for a reason!
A great game, I really dont know what they could have done better and what they can do better for Mario Kart 9..
@Aurumonado big disagree. the online net is so broken lately.. and the net is so AWFUL
@Fandabidozi LOL. You finally got your wish all these years later.
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