Nintendo's report for the 2021/22 financial year dropped today, and while Switch continues to sell well and software sales are looking healthy, signs that enthusiasm for the five-year-old system is beginning to ebb are also apparent. To be clear, the results present a far from gloomy outlook for the console and company, but the numbers show a year-on-year sales decline of 20% and the company forecasts further drops for the coming year.
In real numbers, lifetime Switch sales now stand at 107.65 million units, with just over 23 million of those coming in the last year. That's a very sturdy figure — and sell-through (meaning the number of units actually sold to consumers at retail, as opposed to the number shipped to retail outlets) of the console in the last financial year is second only to the console's launch year. Digital sales increased 4.5% over FY 2021, too, with the January-March '22 period recording the second-highest digital sales quarter ever — just shy of the preceding lucrative Holiday '21 season. It's certainly not all doom and gloom in Kyoto right now.
Despite there being life in the system yet, there's definite signs that Switch has peaked, though. Nintendo forecasts hardware sales of 21 million units in the coming year, and while that's still 3 million more than Sony is targeting for PS5, supply constraints are worse for the more powerful console — and Sony's FY 2022 forecast is up considerably from the 11.5 million PS5s it sold in the last financial year. And let's remember that PS5s are still like hen's teeth at retail 18 months after launch.
Although Nintendo has apparently struggled to produce hardware at sufficient quantities, the fact is that demand for the hybrid console, while still healthy given its age, is slowing. There are over 107 million Switches out there in the wild, and while that number will continue to grow, the gaming industry is built on momentum, and Switch is a very well-known quantity at this stage.
There's one thing that Nintendo really needs to get those investor graphs pointing up again: an influx of new, properly-upgraded Switch hardware.
The global chip shortage and increase in manufacturing costs are undoubtedly hurting Nintendo's profits, and the reduced profit margin on Switch OLED is also noted as a contributing factor to the company's modest 0.6% year-on-year gross profit increase. Regardless of the overall rosiness, though, minus numbers don't make for happy investor reading and Switch OLED, while a welcome shot in the arm, was a stop-gap.
There's one thing that Nintendo really needs to get those investor graphs pointing up again: an influx of new, properly-upgraded Switch hardware.
The long-rumoured Switch 'Pro' or Switch 2 (or whatever you want to call the successor to the current model) has been on the tip of analyst's tongues for years at this point. Given the cyclical, rolling nature of the video game hardware cycle and the power deficit between Switch and Microsoft and Sony's consoles — not to mention the fact that Nintendo pioneered the mid-cycle, half-step console upgrade with its handheld systems — debate about potential new SKUs has been common since Switch launched back in 2017.
There was little need to put out an updated version all the time Switches were flying off the shelves as fast as Nintendo could manufacture them, despite what hardcore enthusiasts and analysts might opine. In fact, of the big three companies, the huge success of Switch and its evergreen software catalogue has enabled Nintendo to weather the storm of COVID and parts shortages better than it might have. While we're still not out of the woods yet, it feels more and more like anyone wants a Switch has got one and more eyes than ever will be on what's next in the pipeline.
In an ideal world Nintendo would surely be looking to launch a Switch successor in the next year or so. The current model would continue to sell, but as numbers wind down the new hotness is there to pick up the slack and drive profits. Nintendo faces production issues it can't control, though — ones that may well be delaying plans for the next console, and problems which could ultimately affect the company's momentum. Switch may be a huge cash cow, but milking it utterly dry without a replacement ready to go isn't a sound business strategy.
Motions are undoubtedly in place for the successor, but given all the potential production obstacles, knowing when to pull the trigger on the follow-up is Nintendo's main problem now. Launching a new console (backwards compatible, of course) alongside Zelda: Breath of the Wild 2 would make eminent sense, with the 'Spring 2023' launch date coming six years after the original. According to a poll we ran on the topic, many Nintendo Life readers would jump on upgraded hardware alongside the new Zelda — that's the kind of move you'd expect Nintendo to make.
Motions are undoubtedly in place for the successor, but knowing when to pull the trigger on the follow-up is Nintendo's main problem now
Rumours suggest that Microsoft paid to 'jump the queue' and get chip priority in order to manufacture more Xboxes, and while Nintendo isn't wanting for a bob or two, it can't compete with Microsoft in terms of sheer buying power. With companies having to get in line for components, it won't be just Nintendo that's having to make the best of the status quo for longer than it would under normal circumstances. Plans to split its stock 10/1 are another indicator that it's looking to hunker down and make the best of things while business is still strong.
Indeed, we've even seen analysts offer much more sober estimates recently concerning when a Switch successor might appear, with dates like "late 2024" now being suggested. By then the current console would be seven-and-a-half years old — a pensioner in modern gaming terms. There's no doubt that the system is capable of delivering great games just as it is, and that's not going to change, but for an industry and a hardcore fan base that's always got one eye on The Next Big Thing™, late 2024 seems like an interminably long wait for new Nintendo hardware.
In terms of profits, sure, Nintendo could afford to coast for another two years on its current offering, perhaps with a Switch Lite OLED thrown in for good measure. However, the perception that the company is standing still would be hard to shake — if not for gamers, then certainly for investors. A new Zelda will help, but Holiday 2024 feels a long way away.
Bloomberg reports that Nintendo president Shuntaro Furukawa has "declined to comment when asked during a media briefing about when his company might unveil the next iteration of its marquee console", and we'd be inclined to believe that's a pressing question within the walls of Nintendo HQ, as well. It's easy to make an announcement, but producing hardware at scale and meeting consumer demand is a challenge we certainly don't envy the people working out logistics for Nintendo's next console launch.
Let us know in the poll below when you think Nintendo will launch its next console.
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With a chip shortage still making the other consoles near impossible to find, it would be unwise to consider launching a switch successor until that is resolved.
Whenever a successor comes, it's sure as heck not coming this year, or probably even until late next year at the earliest.
I don't get people sometimes, sales slightly take a dip and now everyone is unironically expecting a Switch 2 now?
It makes no sense to announce or even think of a successor when even at it's worst the sales for the Switch are record breaking for any other console.
Not to mention with the chip shortage the chances of a Switch successor coming anytime soon are even less likely.
It's just a matter of common sense.
I'm pretty fine to wait for Nintendo's timing for next hardware. I'll be pretty satisfied with my OLED for the next few years.
Probably later rather than sooner, which I don't mind. The only thing I care about is full compatibility with the whole Switch library.
As Nintendo has already said we are only halfway through the switch lifecycle in 2021 so it’s safe to assume the switch 2 will release 2025-2026
I would say that late 2023/ early 2024 is most likely.
I think they should tide us over with new Mini consoles and handhelds, starting with GameBoy and N64. And make the NES and SNES Mini always available.
My money is on 2024. Switch sold above 2019 levels in 2021 and not that far below 2020 levels. The drop in 2022 is even still predicted to outpace 2019. That's a very big deal if they meet that target and a pretty good indicator that it's still going to be strong for a bit longer. Plus, as others have noted, the chip shortage would affect a 2023 date (most likely).
Edit: Since my money is on 2024, bet against that. Lol, it's hard to predict Nintendo and with the chip shortage, that makes it worse.
It'll likely be a while yet. BOTW2 could be something that warrants a new system altogether, but I just don't really see that happening... I feel like 2024 is a safeish bet on when it actually happens.
I guess they're just stuck between two pipes deciding. Guess they'll keep on- oh you get it...
Due to chip shortages I would wait a few more years.
Unless, they make all games during the first few years also playable on the Nintendo switch.
I'm not sure you solve your console's chip shortage problems by releasing new, more complicated, more expensive, more chip-hungry hardware. But I don't think that will stop them launching Switch 2 for Christmas 2023.
Sadly, I don't think we will get a proper new console until 2025. But we might get a "New" Nintendo Switch, like the New Nintendo 3DS in the meantime
March 2023 would be my best bet, the hardware is getting too old and in the handheld gamer segment the Steam will be serious competitor that will be able to play a lot much more modern games.
It won't be Switch 2 it will be called something else and they should delay it until the world starts getting back on its feet, until the first or second half of 2024.
Sales are not exactly falling off a cliff though are they. Early 2024 at a guess with an overlap of hardware.
If they are projecting 20+ million this year, I can't see them doing anything until the end of 2023.
I still hold the belief it won't be coming out for a long while. After what happened with the Wii U and how monstrously successful the Switch is, I feel like Nintendo will keep riding that high and then kick into overdrive once things start to slow down in terms of sales (it's exactly the same strategy they employed for the Wii when you think about it).
However, just because I say that doesn't mean I think it'll come out in 2025 or beyond. My guess is early 2024 personally: it'll be a year after BOTW 2 which could potentially be seen as a system closer in the same vein as Skyward Sword was to the Wii and it'll allow them to prepare for the holiday market depending on the immediate success of it (maybe pushing some things forward and back as a result). But that's just my thoughts at least.
No. There’s absolutely no reason to think about the Switch successor now when they can’t even fulfill the demand of the current Switch, sales are down because they literally can’t make enough of them not because there’s waning interest in the platform, specially now with so many games on the horizon including BOTW 2 and probably the next Mario.
The earliest I see a new Switch would be Early 2024.
Sure it's slowing, but after the lockdown years, it was bound to. Trends will be over exaggerated bcause of it. Yadda yadda blah blah blah.
When Nintendo feel like the Switch needs a price cut, then we'll see their next console (I can imagine the current climate is making that very difficult, nevermind manufacturing a new console!) It just over complicates everything thinking otherwise. But it's still the highest selling console every month. There isn't any urgency outside of game journos wanting to cover the next cool thing lol.
I wouldn't be too surprised to see Zelda BotW 2's new release date end up coinciding with Nintendo's next hardware launch (or even be delayed yet again to do so, perhaps the 4th Quarter of 2023). There's definitely precedent here with regard to "hybrid" Zelda titles serving to effectively close the doors on an older system while launching a new one (Twilight Princess on GC/Wii and BotW on Wii U/Switch).
Q4 2023 will also close out Mario Kart 8 Deluxe's huge track pass, and given how it too came to Switch with all the DLC content from the Wii U, it's entirely possible that MK8 will have an iteration for the Switch's successor that collects the entirety of its overall content, and in so doing become the first mainline first-party Nintendo game to cross over directly across three consecutive generations (of course, a far better alternative would be for the Switch's successor to be backwards compatible, but we are talking about Nintendo here; their priorities as of late haven't exactly been consumer-friendly).
Anyway, those are just a few thoughts which may or may not end up happening.
A new Switch just isn't needed right now. 2022 is set to be a massive year for the current Switch consoles, and it would make zero sense to release a Switch successor right after that. It would be akin to releasing the N64 just a few months after the SNES's biggest year.
I think things are going to cool off for the Switch over the course of 2023, with Mario Kart 8 Deluxe DLC tracks being the main attraction for the year. Summer of that year would be the perfect time to announce a Switch successor for a March 2024 release.
Whatever Nintendo does go with, it really needs to:
I get their desire to keep cost, size and power consumption down, but those really should be second to building a system that won't suffer the same long term fate for 3rd party support that the Switch did
Whether they go to Nvidia for something based on Orin/Lovelace or AMD for Rembrandt/Phoenix, Nintendo MUST not cheap-out on the chipset this time around
Can someone explain “hens teeth” to me?
The chip shortage obviously has an impact. It impacts everything but especially a games console that must hit a 20-30 million+ install base ASAP.
At some point they do need to jump (and preferably before the Switch is dead in the water) but I do think that there's still plenty of life in the system. It doesn't feel like the Wii in 2010 that's for sure (but it might be getting on that way a year from now).
The next Switch NEEDS to be backwards compatible. There are too many games that are tied to my account that will die on Switch if Nintendo decides to keep up with their lackluster online service and backcompat policy. And honestly, the joycons gotta go or get a major design overhaul. The Switch 2 could be the easiest win for Nintendo but history has taught me to be weary with them. Time will tell
@Primo40295 Yes. This.
If this is the case, I will be buying one as soon as I am able.
i expect Nintendo to release the Switch sucessor in holiday 2024/begining of 2025, the chip shortage could heavily impact the Switch sucessor launch.
Nintendo Switch, Nintendo Switch Lite, and Nintendo Switch OLED are all Selling like crazy, so it won't be until at least the second half of 2024 until Nintendo releases a Nintendo Successor to The Switch Family! If anything, I hope they keep supporting The Switch Family and just release a Switch Pro and keep those Sales Growing!!!
Why not just enjoy the current system? So bored of predictions of the inevitable....a new system will one day come but for now lots to focus on for this current system with some cracking games still to come.
An upgraded Switch means upgraded components which means even longer queues and stock difficulties. The Switch’s lower end components are giving it an incredible leg up in the component shortage, it’s just now starting to be seriously affected. I would love to see them hunker down on the current SKUs and just pump out banging software for a few more years while the supply chain sorts itself out.
I've never really understood why consumers should care about this sort of article. If a platform is reaching global market saturation, that doesn't mean my individual experience with the system changes.
And as far as prepping for the future, I'm sure the company's marketing department will gladly keep me informed of future hardware purchases. =P
I know, some people just want their finger on the pulse of every upcoming change. But it worries me that sometimes, when it's media driven, that focus comes at the expense of enjoying the now.
@Patendo lol, I just basically said the same thing ^_^ high five
There’s a contraction in the main thesis of the article. If you’ve got trouble making things, which makes you sales go down, you can’t make a new thing, since the chips aren’t there.
Chip availability at low cost will be the main driver for the development/release of switch 2. Not the market for switch one
@Giancarlothomaz I agree 💯
It would be very dumb of Nintendo to make the same Mistakes Sony did. And I only say Sony because ps5 is hard to find whereas the Xbox Series S is a Nice alternative for the hard to find Xbox Series X. Xbone wasn't a hot selling console like the ps4, so I don't know why Sony rushed to sell the ps5???!!!
"It's certainly not all doom and gloom in Kyoto right now."
No Playstation System has aver sold more than 20 millions units in a single FY. The Switch has just reported to have sold 23 millions in the last one and plans to sell another 21 in the current one.
Feels like there's not much need for a Switch2 at all right now.
If sales targets are accurate. Switch should have 150+ million hardware sales sometime in 2025.
You'd think they'd still want to release major first party games on a console with 150 million units out there
I want nintendo to follow the standardized 7 year console cycle. After that I hope they switch 2 can atleast match the series S, if not the ps4 pro. I don’t want it to be a crazy expensive up to date consoles but having the ability to run all current gen games at 720p 30fps without other setbacks would be ace.
I remember growing up with the old consoles and not even thinking about a new one until they were actually in stores. Now people want a new console before they've finished unpacking the current one.
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Hm you're giving the answer yourselves in your sub-headline, no? The decline is easily explained as a result of the shortages. If Nintendo can get 2 more years of 20-25m consoles p/a out of the Switch... it will mean they'll beat DS totals and can still take their time with the successor. Unveil it mid-end 2023 and release it sometime 2024.
I don’t understand why a switch 2 is even being mentioned. Seriously the switch is hands down my favorite console of all time. I have a ps5 ect ect….. but when I choose a game I think is it on switch first and if it is that’s my go to because of the portability. With all that said…. Nintendo has suffered the entirety of there existence to the lack of 3rd party support. Finally we have a system that most developers consider supporting when making a new game.
Why would us Nintendo fans even consider/want something different. When Nintendo develops new hardware and releases it to the world all the developers will have a new learning curve to support the new system.
I see it as after 5 or so years the switch is finally hitting its stride. Why change it…. Unless the new system will indeed be a pro and support the same carts as the OG and OLED switch…. It makes no sense. I don’t see a new console from Nintendo for atleast 5 more years…. Unless it’s a more beefy/powerful switch…. There is zero point to ditch the switch.
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I'm still laughing at the idiots who bought the 1st battery conservative release. They are so angry that they wasted their money on it, they decided to put out videos telling people not to buy the next revision, the OLED.
I waited & now I have both an OLED and an OG v2 Switch, "Erista". An Erista being the 1st silent hardware revision that was Nintendo's failed attempt to stop hackers. It may have failed to do what it intended, but it did also have an very slight improvement with how the Switch reads memory.
The OLED looks amazing...It ALMOST, I repeat almost, makes up for the Nintendo Switch's limited color pallet. We still need a Nintendo Switch Revision with a higher color pallet, perhaps even HDR in Dock Mode. The 'NEW' Nintendo Switch 2 must have this feature of a higher color pallet.
@SmacLac
Can I interest you in some snake oil?
I don't know, nintendo games seem to look and run fine on the switch. It's not like nintendo needs ps5/xbsx level hardware for mario or kirby. Are we wanting and asking about a super nintendo switch for third party games?
I feel like BotW2 is complicating things. We all predict it will launch with new hardware, but March 2023 for Switch 2 feels too soon. If it's followed by 2 years of cross-gen titles, I wouldn't mind though.
I'm still having a blast with the Switch. I laugh at people that complain that there are no games. There are TOO MANY games that I will never likely play that are on the console. Of course I'm excited for an upgrade that might help get some of those new gen games like Elden Ring onto a Nintendo Console, but I'm in no hurry. I just hope we have backwards compatibility with the first gen Switch.
"a huge cash cow, but milking it utterly dry"
I love the Easter egg of a pun there.
Mid 2024 or 2024 sometime.
2023 seems very unlikely with this chip shortage set to continue, and would be unwise.
Generally Nintendo tries to make a console generation last between 6-8 years, next year would be the 6th year of the switch, with supply chain issues everywhere I wouldn't be shocked if they take their time.
I don't understand this take? The Switch just had its second best Q1 results of its lifetime (best were last year) and more than 1.25m more units than the year of release...
https://twitter.com/pierre485_/status/1523922378719379458?t=gfdopVRGK_w4lx-dX8rODQ&s=19
@PhhhCough
Zelda and Kirby run at 30fps with drops. There's not enough HW power, enough said
Since we are in the beginning of a recension, a war slowly unfolding, covid lockdowns coming back again next winter, growing shortages… Who knows when the next console will come.
The Mario Kart 8 Deluxe DLC will keep coming until late 2023. So I think there won’t be a new system in the coming years. 2024 might feel right, but the question is, will that possible for them as the old system is being destroyed more and more…
@PhhhCough Yes we want a higher color pallet mainly for third party Devs. Though not the only reason, it is one of the reasons some have taken a pass & not developed for it yet. I play many games on my Nintendo Switch, from both Nintendo & other Devs. Although my Mario Games might not benefit from it, Several other games would.
Look at Sonic Colors, it looks OK on the Switch, but better on consoles with a Higher Color Pallet. The 30fps isn't the only problem for Sonic Colors.
@Pirate1 Hen’s teeth is a fool's errand, usually in the context of tricking a new employee or getting him out of your hair. You work on a farm, send the new girl to go into the shed to find hen's teeth. You work at a construction company, send the new guy out to go buy striped paint. Someone wants to get into gaming, tell them to go to the store and find a PS5. It's usually in good fun. I hope that made sense. 🙂
I think the Switch 2/Pro would have dropped this Spring along with BOTW2 if not for the pandemic as they would want hardware that could conceivably handle some PS5/X ports. Luckily, those consoles are just now getting steady stock rolling out.
I think releasing in Spring 2023 would be ideal. It was inspired on 2017 with the original. Drop a system 3 months after the holidays and around Tax Time in the US when families would get returns.
Additionally, drop a huge game at launch and then more the following Christmas.
I am thinking new Mario this Christmas. Zelda & Switch2 Spring 2023. And then Metroid Prime IV Fall 2023. Prime IV might be a Switch2 exclusive to push sales of the new hardware during the holidays.
I'm betting Nintendo will release the Switch 2 in spring 2023 and have BotW2 as its main launch title.
Nothing of this makes any sense. 😑
I think it's going to take a while, with the current chip shortage, they won't be able to produce enough of the Switch pro (Or whatever they'll call it), so they'd be stuck between a rock and a hard place, either it sells well and they can't deliver, or (Admittedly highly unlikely) it doesn't sell well, by my limited knowledge, businesses tend to avoid situations with only bad outcomes.
Next year is too soon... I'm betting on 2024 or beyond.
Annual PS4 shipments peaked in FY2016 with 20 million units sold. The PS5 didn't launch until November 2020, 4 years later. By comparison, annual Switch shipments peaked in FY2020 with 28.83 million units sold.
A small sales decline does not necessitate the immediate launch of new hardware.
@AtlanteanMan God no on a MK8 Ultimate. We need MK9 yesterday, it's bad enough that they don't want MK9 on the Switch, but not even launching with it will cause a similar fatigue. How much longer can people really be satisfied with them recycling the same Mario Kart content for a decade?
The only reason sales have "dipped" is due to the shortage directly after the boom from the pandemic. They were on track to do near 30 million and saw 2 reductions down to 23 million. This year is a reduction to 21 million.
But perspective is key. The PS4 in its best selling year never topped 20 mil. Even with the shortage in its 6th year, it's doing more than PS4 did in its best year.
Which means March 2024 is the most likely candidate, IF a new generation is planned. If a Pro model is planned to extend the current generation, I could see a March 2023 launch alongside Zelda BotW 2.
We'll see, but I'm not really expecting anything until March 2024.
@westman98
Keen observation, and it aligns with my own expectations of a 2024 release.
@Bolt_Strike
I'm not saying that Mario Kart 8 Ultimate is preferrable to Mario Kart 9 because it absolutely isn't, but Mario Kart 8 Deluxe did ship 1.98 million copies last quarter. People are very much still interested in the game.
I could easily wait for late 2024. I'm having so much fun with my Switch I forgot there were 2 other consoles out there. You know the ones, the ones that make you sit in one spot to play video games. Yah. No thanks.
@JaxonH I'd be hard pressed to think most Switch owners would grab a new system to play botw2. I for sure wouldn't. Die hard will. I could easily wait till late 2024 I'm enjoying the Switch that much. The longer Nintendo goes, the more cash goes into R&D and the chip situation should be ironing out.
@iLikeUrAttitude @Rhum17 You giys took the words right out of my mouth. The Switch is doing fine, great even. Why should we expect Nintendo to mess with its own success?
Nintendo doesn't need to rush on this. Time is on their side. A true successor may not see the light of day until 2030.
I'd put my money on 2023, but Nintendo has never been one to arrive at the party on time and they have a lot of considerations to make thanks to the SteamDeck. Which means they may have to reconsider backward compatibility for Switch 2. Which would hurt them significantly. Honestly competition is going to make things tough for them and could result in the Switch 2 being much less of a success than its predecessor. So mid to late 2024. They'll probably try BotW2 and Metroid as launch titles, maybe even grease Capcom's palms a little for another monster hunter release.
Overall they are stuck in a real bad situation at the moment. Switch doing well, but declining is going to continue to get worse. I just got my Steamdeck, my experience with it tells me I do not want to go back to my switch. I can finally play Bloodstained for example as intended and many of its games without the issues I had on Switch. I have access to games that are skipping the switch like the Final Fantasy Pixe Remasters (square .... money on the table here). Horizon runs amazingly on the system. I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a collection of titles running on my system that Nintendo thinks I'd pay a subscription for and has yet to release many of those titles. These machines don't iterate on a 5 to 8 year cycle, it'll be 2 years and there will be more than a simple screen replacement and better battery life.
Nintendo has to also consider paying nVidia to continue working on the Tegra SoC. 2018's Orin might be the best bet. Not to familiar with the Xavier Tegra, but it seems sily to stick with it for compatibility with the X1, when the Orin can provide technologies to keep up with the Steamdeck.
That's even assuming they stick with nVidia at all. They are notoriously expensive and the architecture of the ARM CPU cores could be problematic for compatibility with other platforms. AMD has made a strong case with the steamdeck. Another year or two and Valve may have inadvertantly helped a competitor. However this will kill Switch 1 compatibility. Even if this would lead to cheaper systems. Given Nintendo's history with Backward Compatibility I would not right this off. SNES could have done it, but they opted out for cost. That just boiled down to the connector and some additional modes for their CPU which was of the same family as the NES. N64 clearly didn't adopt backward compatibility, the same of the GameCube. BC was largely something embrassed by the portables. Even that had a degree of limitation.
My guess is that we'll see something in the coming year, leaks and rumors and Nintendo tries to figure out which is more important to them. Keeping the cost down in an economy with out of control inflation on the cusp of a Recession which will make for weak sales to start the next generation or maintianing their legacy. I'm hoping for the latter personally, I won't come back to Switch 2 if I have to leave my library behind, at least in an early adoption to mid life capacity. My favorite franchises from Nintendo have undoubtly changed. Not for the better. Zelda was my big draw, now I just don't care unless its a remaster or remake. Metroid can't seem to get a game out the door without a massive effort. DK seems dead. Mario I have enough games to go back too.
Switch year 5 sales: 23,000,000
GameCube lifetime sales: 21,750,000
Just sayin’…
@Joe-b
Just because you personally wouldn't doesn't mean it's a bad move. A new system has to have games to make it appealing, and Zelda is as good as any. Of course it would be diehards buying it at first. That's always the case. And that's precisely why you release it with a game catered to the diehards.
What first world problems is this. The idea that that we need new consoles every 4-5 years has always baffled me.
Console sales are only down because almost everyone owns a switch at this point lol. It was bound to plateau sometime.
Unless the Switch sales slump worldwide then will Nintendo ready a successor. As of now the Switch is doing better than ever, I'm sure Nintendo is making the successor right now as we're commenting but they probably won't say a word about it til the time is right and when the Switch is no longer hot. I could see another updated model for Switch before a successor though, maybe a Switch OLED Lite is in the work.
i am of the mind that a new switch will come out the same time the breath of the wild sequel comes out.. but it may not be a new switch 2. it could be a current switch with 4k abilities....
@AugustusOxy People shell out $1,000 on a new phone every year now... consumers will be consumers.
@NotSoCryptic
They're not in a bad situation. Steamdeck won't have any effect in the slightest. It's a niche product for enthusiasts. I ordered one, but it's by no means a replacement for Switch. Not only is it missing all the Switch exclusives (and no, trying to download roms and use emulators with poor battery life and compatibility issues isn't something I'm interested in, but more importantly, it's not something most ppl will be interested in), it's also too big with too little battery life, without detachable controllers or tabletop. It's a great enthusiast device to play games too heavy for Switch to handle, but it's definitely going to remain niche, and won't provide any real competition to Switch. We're talking about a device that MIGHT do 2-3 mil lifetime vs a device that will do 150 mil lifetime. They're not competing at the same level.
As for PS/Xbox, Switch has always competed against them and frankly, left them in the dust. That was true for PS4/X1, it's true now for PS5/XS, and it will continue to be true moving forward.
They're in the best possible position- the most popular system of all time and demand chomping at the bit for a successor.
Also, I'm quite sure it'll be BC. Using their strategy 3 decades ago under Yamauchi isn't a viable indicator for modern strategy. GBA was BC with GB, DS was BC with GBA, 3DS was BC with DS, Wii was BC with GC, Wii U was BC with Wii. The only reason Switch wasn't was because they merged console and handheld and moved beyond the dated PowerPC architecture. Switch 2 will almost certainly be BC, if history is any indication.
I put early 2024, but they should release it whenever they are confident the supply issues are resolved.
At this point Nintendo just wait until 2025. We don’t need new hardware at least that’s the sentiment I get.
@JaxonH thanks for your input. It would or could work but with the Switch still selling really well, Nintendo would need to show one hek of a list of AAA titles. And not discontinue Switch. Maybe kill a model like the "lite" not to oversaturate. I have had my Switch for 3 years, my son got his when it came out, my daughter when Animal crossing came out, and my wife a month ago. I'm having too much fun with this unit to want to "Switch" over to another console. (I don't want to spend another $300). I will say the shovelware is getting a little out of control in the eshop but it's still a great console.
@Bolt_Strike I'm not saying I'd be happy with such an outcome (I'd been advocating for MK9 for the past two or three years prior to the track pass announcement), only that it might be in keeping with Nintendo's behavior over the past few years. I agree 100%; for Mario Kart to evolve and take its next step, it's going to need an entirely new iteration. But ultimately that call is Nintendo's.
December 2023
@Joe-b If Nintendo comes out with a successor, we should all expect that everything will carry over moving forward. Just updated/more powerful Switches from here on out.
The Switch 2 will be revealed at the soonest late 2024/early 2025, with a 2025 launch, no problem as the current models will be selling around 20 million a year.
I love my Switch. It’s my all-time favorite console of all time. I just want stronger hardware. I love the form factor and hope they don’t reinvent the wheel the next time.
The "slowing" Switch sales forecast still has it selling better did than PS4 did at its peak, lol.
A revision would be nice for the games with uncapped framerates and dynamic resolutions, but Nintendo gains nothing by launching a successor any time soon. Especially with supply chain issues still being a factor.
7.5 year cycle is not unreasonable for a successfully selling system. Console cycles were traditionally 5 years when it took 2-3 years to make a game. Today, games can take 5+ years to develop, so a 5 year console life cycle is no longer viable. New Nintendo hardware in 2025. It will not be as successful as the Switch (calling it now) and we will see their subsequent system in 2030 after a truncated 5-6 year cycle (a la Wii U).
Anyone who think Nintendo needs to release a new system ASAP because the sales are decreasing does not actually know how console sales have gone in the history of gaming, and should be ignored. A revision...sure, but a brand new Switch, obviously no.
@Joe-b
For the record, I'm more inclined toward believing a March 2024 release. But I can't deny the possibility of new hardware alongside Zelda, which is their best hope of pushing new hardware.
In either case, Switch won't be discontinued. Like 3DS, it'll continue to sell for as long as the market buys it. If it is a 2023 release with Zelda I expect a Pro with cross compatible 1st party titles but some exclusive 3rd party titles that couldn't otherwise run. If it's a 2024 release, I expect a full generational jump to Switch 2 with exclusive 1st party games, but Backward Compatibility for Switch games.
But that's just one guy's take.
Geez, why the rush? I just bought a PS5 last year and am gearing up for PSVR 2 this year, give my wallet a break😂 Between those, Xbox X/S, and Steam Deck, I’d think plenty of people are feeling the same way. Even if you’re solely Nintendo, the Switch OLED was less than a year ago! That’d be a massive slap in the face to all those recent adopters…
Less than half a year ago I was like many in this comment section, thinking the switch still felt pretty young and it would be going on for awhile longer, but now I think a holiday 2023 (or more likely spring 2024) release is much more likely. I also think that s new revision is unlikely, because the chip shortage makes that not too viable now, and it'll be too late to do it after the supply stabilizes a little. I think opinions change fast, and many on this site will be begging for a new switch sooner than they think. The switch is at a point that not only does it make it significantely harder for it to get 3rd party games, but it also is starting to significantly compromise nintendo's own games in terms of preformance in a world where many modern games are running at 60fps or higher at 1080p or higher on other devices.
@Joe-b That is my biggest beef with the Switch. The eStore is a nightmare to go through and I want a way to filter out all the $1-$2 shovelware crap that goes to the top of the menu.
I don't get any more enjoyment playing games with stronger hardware compared to Switch. The differences in graphics are barely notable, and some Switch games have more complex gameplay mechanics than most ps5/ xbox whatever games.
So, I see no reason to upgrade before something that changes gaming is innovated. Then again, the most probable innovator is Nintendo with their next system.
If Nintendo are forecasting 21.5 million sales in the next year there isn't a cat in hell's chance that the successor is launching in under a year with Breath of the Wild 2.
Momentum into a new generation has never been Nintendo's strong suit. Hopefully they have learned from their past mistakes to transition smoothly into the next Switch or console, whenever that is. But it needs to be soon, current hardware specs are dated AF and get worse by the year.
It should be 2024 but unfortunately treat employees like crap Nintendo are way to comfortable with the success of Switch they would rather ride it out for as long as they possibly can like they did with the Wii even though it was dead for two to three years before they went next gen
With the current chip shortages continuing until AT LEAST 2025. I don't see a Switch 2 happening before 2026 actually.
@AugustusOxy And "down" is all relative. The console is still selling 20 million units a year. That's mind blowing. The Game Cube had lifetime sales of 21.5 million units. The Switch outsold the Game Cube lifetime sales basically in one year. And it's done that multiple times.
I'd still rather have the Switch N64 controller.
@KBuckley27 Wii is a completely different thing than the Switch. The Wii was a casual centric device that once smartphones and tablets came around and the uniqueness of motion controls lost their luster, fell hard. The Switch is a hybrid gaming centric device that is still releasing solid games. It's why the YoY decline is quite smaller than those experienced by the Wii.
Switch games sell well (some franchises, like Metroid or Kirby, are getting some of their best sales figures in their entire history), and gamers don't have to buy a new console. Where's the problem?
BotW2 is launching next year. Even if Nintendo's next console is backwards compatible, that means some years will pass before a new Zelda is announced. Kirby had a new game this year. Metroid Dread was released less than a year ago. Xenoblade Chronicles 3 and Splatoon 3 arrive in a few months. It will take time to develop new installments. Do we really want a new console that won't be getting any original games in the near future?
Nintendo stopped supporting the Wii U earlier than usual because it wasn't selling well. The Switch is successful, why shouldn't it have a longer-than-average life cycle?
I don't get it. Do people want to spend money on new hardware?
The switch is 5 years old. The capability at the time was just fine but it's aging quickly. I'm not a gfx snob but games like Zelda and Metroid deserve to look good as they always have.
It seems like Switch fans are really smug and arrogant about Nintendo, assuming they don't need to try or improve at all and that success will be forever guaranteed without them doing anything.
Attitudes like that are how Nintendo got themselves in trouble in the past.
I think it's a rather natural fluctuating within a permanent high yearly sales number. It wont hurt Nintendo much going down from something like 23M to 20M one year to the next, it's still a baseline high sales number. If they went down one year to something like 11M, then they would be in more of a hurry to change things up.
One thing I hate most about the world is how success and failure is defined by 'growth' or otherwise. The world would be a much healthier place if infinite growth wasn't a requirement for business and economies.
Considering the slowdown in sales is due to component shortage rather than slowing interest.....I'm going to say Nintendo is in no hurry nor need of a successor at this time.
My wild guess is 2024 at earliest.
@Axecon
Nah, Switch still holds up pretty well...might be that way because most games made to this date have a very low tech base-line as they are still made to work on PS4 and Xbox One.
For all of us who haven't really upgraded to PS5/Xbox Series X, the Switch have hardly aged at all.
@NotSoCryptic Exactly, I feel like everyone who actually has a Steam Deck is well aware of how it makes the Switch instantly feel outdated by comparison. I wouldn't be quick to call it a niche product either, as Steam is easily one of the biggest gaming platforms. A niche handheld would be something like the Steam Deck imitators or retro gaming handhelds. Calling the Steam Deck niche is like calling the Switch niche back in 2017 just because it didn't have a massive presence right away.
I mean we gotta be real here, Nintendo is pretty far from having no competition right now. Sony and Microsoft have introduced new next gen hardware, Valve is branching out into handheld gaming hardware, and competition from mobile phone platforms like Apple iOS and Android hasn't gone anywhere. In fact if you want to start calling things niche, even the Switch could be called niche when compared to the mobile phone platforms right now.
I mean yeah, obviously the hardcore fanboy types will be defending Nintendo to death, but they are the same type of people who were defending Nintendo during the Wii U years, I wouldn't take them too seriously, they aren't exactly approaching the industry rationally.
2026 or later, if ever. It makes sense for sales to slow down because the number of people that want a Switch but don't already have one can only go down as the system has been on the market for longer. Graphics are as good as they're ever going to get, there's no need to stop releasing games for anyone that doesn't want to spend hundreds of dollars on a new machine that does the same thing. As it is, profits are minimal on hardware (Nintendo is an outlier in that they even make one at all). The games are where the money is.
This article is just baiting. Production has slowed, forcing sales to slow. Demand is clearly still better than the launch year, or the second year, so what on earth makes you think Nintendo could produce and sell more than 20 million Switch 2s in a year?
@NintendoEternity
Because the PS4 is… it’s horribly outdated.
Sony and Microsoft both focus pushing the technical envelope.
Both the PS4 and Xbone were horrifically gimped by using the Jaguar CPU set and not leveraging faster I/O tech that was available in 2013. Developers had to work around those two issues the entire generation.
Both PS5 and Series Xboxes started active development somewhere around late 2016 or early 2017. And both systems were designed primarily to right the two wrongs of their predecessors. Replace the gimped ultrabook class CPUs and radically rethink the I/O package to reduce loading times, which were getting completely out of control in the latter half of the PS4/Xbone life cycle.
I loved my PS4, but by 2018 I saw clearly that there was a desperate need for new hardware. It was the loading times that got me. Even with an SSD upgrade, the I/O just wasn’t there and games like Red Dead 2 were killing me just to boot up because of how long the opening load time was.
@NotSoCryptic Tegra Xavier is a non starter when NV has far, far superior tech at their disposal. Pascal and Volta are good, but they can't hold a candle to Ampere's efficiency and feature set.
ARM CPU cores are absolutely not a hindrance to multiplat development, nobody writes in assembly these days
lol what? Sales haven't slowed, supply is just bottlenecked. 23 million units in a year is not slow.
Easily a few more years
@Cia
Hardly noticeable?
Dude… that’s straight nonsense.
Play WRC on PS5 and then play it on Switch. It’s a night and day difference.
And say that despite being basically in love with my Switch. I play the PS5 and Switch equally. Because they serve two very different purposes for me.
But when it comes to visuals, there’s just no comparison. Multiplatform games that come to Switch are heavily gimped. Which is why I buy those on PS5 (or the PS4 version) and my Switch is reserved for JRPGs and Nintendo exclusives.
@Leo2Kirby
For real. The only people still writing in assembly are the folks still making Genesis and SNES games.
With a chip shortage and increased manufacturing switch is going to stay on the market a year or two longer than they wanted. Cause if they say the chip shortage stops in 2024 a late release that year or earlier 2025 is when Nintendo will release it.
And even though not the same the steam deck is not keeping up with demand. I ordered mine last year on the day preorders went live and I am not getting mine until July at the earliest. And if Nintendo is going to make another handheld console hybrid that can be 4K on the tv they are going to need more current parts that will set them back. They like to have consoles with profit at launch so pushing back until they can do that makes me think they will settle for the current switch for at least 2 more years.
@nintendolife, Nintendo has released two new Switch SKUs since its launch in 2017: Switch Lite and Switch OLED. It would be three if you count “Switch v2” that replaced the original launch model.
@kingbk I agree. I think you can filter out by price and such by pressing "y" but that might only be in the "great deals" section.
@JaxonH sure, it's all good. I guess we'll see!
Two words: Chip shortage.
While nothing will happen this year, Nintendo will likely announce a new SKU next year. They did it in 2019 and last year, whether it’ll be a spring or summer announcement remains to be seen. I would imagine the rumored “Pro” was scrapped in favor a new generation, so they might be busily buying up the components they need for it. Much like Valve did with the Deck, but we see how well that worked for them.
@JaxonH
We'll see. I think you're missing a few things and think this is the steambox fiasco. Valve is serious this time.
Go on about Switch Exclusives all you want, there is plenty on steamdeck that isn't on switch. About 2 decades worth of software. With all the new LEgend of Heroes fans popping up, they may want to play the oens that aren't on switch. There is very little on Switch that is technically exclusive from Switch aside from first party releases. From what I can tell there are a few 100 million gamers out there who do not care about Nintendo Exclusives if they can play a better version of doom eternal on the go. That isn't even getting into emulators, but there are a lot of people pissed at Nintendos subscription service and their slow response time for virtual console in the last 15 years. I think for them, this is a game changer, but one that doesn't even need to be factored in.
Poor battery, more like poor excuse. There was a time where the switches short battery life and the 3DS's short Battery life was "a problem". Ya I get it, you're not going to get 5 hours playing Horizon Zero Dawn. However I don't need it to get beyond the 2.5 hours I managed. There are a lot of people like that. Just like the switch, Vita, 3DS, PSP, before it, people will find solutions for this. In fact the same battery pack on got for my switch works for my steam deck. So if I'm planning a trip to Japan or Hawaii, I'm ready.
Compatibility issues I'll give you, but as I stated already, valve is on top of it. Many of the games they marked as not supported have started working with the last update. Bloodstained Ritual of the Night among them, works beautifully now. Managed to get through arcade on Tekken 7. GG -Strive also works great and I had time to practice with Baiken yesterday.
Complaining about the Steamdecks size is a little asinine considering people complain about the switch's size enough that Nintendo made a Switch Lite. There are people who even say the Switch Lite is still too big. Give the size comparisons I think there is an audience looking for something 3DS XL size and possible GBA size too. I don't think this is as big of an issue (excuse the pun) as you're making it out to be.
Detchable Controllers and tabletop. Again Switch Lite. I wouldn't say either is the main selling point of the system. Rarely hear of anyone embracing it. It happens sure, but not something the Steamdeck can't do with controllers and a cheap stand off amazon.
Those heavier games make the case for owning one, playing the smaller games switch can play but better, well I think that reverses the situation. Make the Switch more Niche.
Considering both PS and XB1 make more money than Nintendo does just on licensing alone, not even getting into services and first party titles (which Sony could also cover Nintendo's yearly revenue here) I wouldn't say Nintendo is leaving anyone in the dust. Especially since the Switch hasn't even Passed the PS4 in life time sales and both are over 100 million.
" We're talking about a device that MIGHT do 2-3 mil lifetime"
Unless they stop making steamdecks tomorrow, I wouldn't put any money at that. Not to mention that switch was uncontested in that market until about 3 months ago.
I'm unsure about the BC, so I'm pretty non-commitle at this point. However I'd point to the descripencies and reduced support with each generation.
I'm sure this is a stupid observation, but how would a new Switch help them with the chip shortage? They are crushing software, so I think they are good
@Leo2Kirby Keep in mind that Nintendo tends to dabble in older technology and will want to keep close to the switch architecture to maximise backward compatibility. Though you made good points. I still think Nintendo might look at them.
I don't agree with you on the architecture, speaking as someone who works iwth the actual hardware daily.
While use we program in C++11 to 17 depending on what platform and sdk version you are on, there are still moments where we do dip down to assmebly. Compilers are great, but they have limits. Additionally, just because we aren't writing in assembly doesn't mean the following problems have magically disappeared for the Core Technology Teams on a game Project:
Some times how you write your C++ code has to be done with the architecture in mind. Ya sure the same if-then-else may not see variance, but there are more lower level calls and data structure construction that needs to be handled in a specific way to meet that architecture. Spend enough time on Madden, CoD, or Battlefield and you'll see that spring up in your code a lot. Hell even how the CPU handles its cache is something that typically goes on in the mind of a senior level engineer with 10 years industry experience.
It's most certainly not a case of write once and forget, if it were we would all be developing in Java and C#... even if Unity would love us all to be working out of C#. I still have to hack down unity's core to get what I want ouf oit.
@Jcdbengals Honestly I have no idea. I guess the assumption is that they could price a new switch model high to reduce demand without a lot of questions, but the way the economy is at the moment with inflation, I think it'll scare off more consumers than help. Otherwise I have no idea. I wouldn't buy to heavily into chip shortage discussion. A lot of companies are now sourcing out of china, as the last 3 years they have been unreliable and hurting corporate profit margins. Apple has actually started sourcing multiple designs for a single model. Not an uncommon practice for say the 90's, Dreamcast and PS2 did this and you could tell what region your machine was made in just by looking at the mother board and other components. As the layout was different based ont he designers building within the spec of their assembly lines. So seeing that return means yields aren't high enough. There are a lot of external facilities outside of china being built as well. So I don't think this chip shortage will be lasting much longer. I'm honestly wondering if China's economy will collapse in the next year.
@iLikeUrAttitude
Are you familiar with publicly trading companies? Investors and shareholders want ever increasing sales and profits. Shareholders aren't satisfied with "sales that are a little lower than before, but still good". Regular people might be satisfied with this, but publicly traded companies are not. That's just how it is.
If sales are down, it makes perfect logical sense to think that Nintendo will launch a new console to sell as much as possible.
Nintendo must still have a few years of solid software support in the bag together with all the unreleased WiiU ports. If push comes to shove they've only ever ported 2 GameCube title into the modern era.
They also have 2-3 hardware revisions in the pipeline: an OLED Lite model with larger screen, a reduction in price of the Lite model to £99 and the opposite: a box that plays Switch titles that comes bundled with a Pro Controller.
With any luck the next 2 years will get the Switch to outsell the PS2!
What are you guys talking about, the Switch is still so new. 2017 was basically yesterday... Right? Right??
"but for an industry and a hardcore fan base that's always got one eye on The Next Big Thing™, late 2024 seems like an interminably long wait for new Nintendo hardware"
Thankfully, Nintendo believes in making hardware and games to play, so they may be relatively less concerned about this industry and hardcore fanbase's sentiment which, let's face it, can easily come across as the iPhony fixation on buying and boasting said Next Big Thing™ much rather than on actually using it. We've all seen them - folks who count years and months and weeks until next hardware or first party software release almost as soon as the previous one happens, folks who are the first to cry "draught" to the extent where you'd be excused to wonder if they really steamroll through their backlogs or just pile up said backlogs in physical form to earn virtual points in "check out my collection" social media posts. Are they an audience to chase, though? Are they an audience to invest enough time and attention into a game that their honest fond memories of it might help pave a yellow brick word-of-mouth road towards an "evergreen" status? Something tells me Nintendo doesn't quite think so. They try to have something at relatively regular intervals nowadays (no, I'm not talking CGC offerings here😆) to avoid Wii U flashbacks, but they sure don't seem like a company to release something new purely for the sake of releasing something new. Otherwise, BotW2 itself could have been a 2019 release.
And no matter how some may clamour for a spec upgrade in the face of the contemporary yet nominally much more powerful PS5, the irony is, indeed, in the very PS5 serving as a potent demotivator for the idea of launching a new machine that would consume and compete for even more modern and in-demand components. What would Nintendo choose - facing "geriatric sales declines" and earning three or four fifths of the past bowsillions, or barely scraping up a million units for a grand Switch 2 launch whose announcement would likely reorient many of the remaining potential Switch buyers?
And those exist - just tonight, doing a round of NFS during my commute home, I was approached by a fellow passenger and interviewed about many things Switch as he's been eyeing the console for his daughter (and himself to an extent). And that's here in Belarus, Carl! The interest remains because the console itself remains unique and damn QoL in what it offers. Like I said before, between the recent numbers and the current risk of untimely successor launch (again, PS5 keeps showing that you can't sell many hotly demanded new consoles if you can't effin' produce them at a proper pace), I've grown less and less skeptical about Switch's odds of actually outselling the grand record of NDS and the marginal "takeover" one of PS2. Meeting or even approaching the estimated numbers by next April will put it less than 30 million units behind - the distance this marvel of a console could well coast even on the "ebbing wave" of consumer interest unless it nosedives to single digit percentages of previous years. Which, especially with stuff like BotW2 already moved to next year and more upcoming third party juggernauts like Kingdom Come in the works, isn't a believable scenario either.
@RushDawg Nope even with the context of the whiny investers and shareholders (who are never satisfied regardless) it still makes absolutely no sense to expect a Switch successor anytime soon.
Common sense alone will tell you that it would be a stupid idea to put out a successor when even during this "decline" the Switch is still selling record numbers. (21mil on a bad year vs the best year for the PS4 was only 20 mil).
Another major thing would be to mention again which you didn't acknowledge is the chip shortage. It would make no sense to release new hardware in a time period where it's harder than ever to produce and find it. A new system isn't going to sell as much as possible when there will be no supply to meet demand.
If the Switch selling like hotcakes didn't convince you then that definitely should.
And finally not too long ago Nintendo literally stated themselves that they consider the Switch to be in the middle of it's lifespan. They also stated that they plan to support the switch longer than the average console lifespan.
So no, a Switch successor definitely isn't releasing anytime soon and it wouldn't make any sense for Nintendo to release or even announce one to the reasons stated.
@TotalHenshin The term "Hens Teeth" refers to anything that is hard to find because hens don't have teeth. It's not used only in the context you suggest.
@NotSoCryptic
I'm not missing anything. I ordered one day one myself and fully understand the appeal. But I'm also a GPD Win 2 owner, the type of niche enthusiasts that's into $650 handhelds that can't even run half the games in the Steam library, and the other half have compatibility issues. Even some games officially verified like Horizon Zero Dawn crash every 30 minutes after 5-10 hours into the game. It's not a mass market product. It's more akin to Valve Index than Steam Machine. Only sold on the official Steam store, in low quantities and will likely do a couple million over its lifespan.
I'm not debating how cool the device is, I'm looking at things objectively. It's impact is negligible. It's ok to like a device but acknowledge it's niche. Just because it's not as niche as GPD or Aya doesn't mean it's mainstream. Far from it.
There's plenty of games on Deck not on Switch, that's true, but they're also on every other platform under the sun, from PS4, PS5, X1, Series X and PC. So the appeal isn't getting new games. It's playing them portably on a PC, and as we've seen, the market for that is relatively small. Hence why Valve is only producing in the hundred thousands, not millions. That's just what it is.
As for battery, it's worse than v1 Switch, and everyone complained about that. It was a problem and it's precisely why they improved the battery life with Mariko. Getting 90 minutes in some games is just not enough. I'm limiting framerate to 30fps, lowering res to 540p and using FSR to upscale just to try to hit 3 hrs. And that leaves many games looking no better than on Switch, and yet still has battery life no better than the v1. It is a problem. That, combined with the bulky size, the lack of features of Switch like tabletop and removable controllers means its just not a viable replacement. That's not just my opinion, that's true for most. Hence why Steamdeck hasn't even sold half a million units in half a year. It's not an insult- the system is awesome and I'm glad it exists, as a complement to Switch.
@Pirate1 "Hens Teeth" is used when talking about something that is hard to find, because hens don't have teeth.
I think it's funny when people say the Switch has no competition. That's wrong.
The Switch does indeed compete with Xbox and PlayStation. They also compete with Steamdeck and PC gaming. They also compete with phones and tablets. I'd also consider other entertainment options, like streaming services, going to the movies, or music services like Spotify competition as well.
People have only so much money to spend, and when and where they spend their entertainment dollars AND time. Some want to spend it all on video games, and good for them if that's the case, but for many, video games are a part of that pie. I know, based on my time and money, that I will NOT be buying the other consoles. I have the Switch, and it fits what I'm looking for in my video gaming budget and time.
@NotSoCryptic
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I'm glad you're enjoying it, I love it too, but you're imagining it's something it's not. It's a verifiable fact it's a niche product. It's a verifiable fact it hasn't even done 500k units in 6 months. It's a verifiable fact it's not competing in the same league as Switch, or even the league under Switch. It's like 2 or 3 leagues under Switch. That's just what it is. Doesn't mean people can't enjoy it, but no, it's not competition and the data proves it. Switch continues to sell 20+ million every year, Steam Deck continues to sell 100k per month to a very tiny subset of enthusiasts. No need to get emotionally attached to its success. It's a cool niche product, super happy I ordered one, but it's not a Switch replacement for any significant number of gamers.
And the size is too big to be a main handheld. I can fit Switch OLED in the Hori slim case in my back jeans pocket (barely, but I can) when walking into work. Coffee in one hand, other hand grabbing wallet and time card. I cannot even remotely do that with Deck. When you're too big to fit in my rear jeans pocket in a slim case, you've crossed a threshold. Deck has crossed that threshold. The weight also makes it less usable for long periods of time. It's just a fact.
And a LOT of people embrace tabletop. I use it every day at work. Deck is already too big. Toting an additional controller and leaning it against something is just not it. It's not it. That's not a viable alternative. It's yet one more reason it's not a Switch replacement.
Don't think I'm attacking Deck. I love it and have defended it from zealous fanboys hating on it from day one. But you're crossing into wishful thinking here, marginalizing the fact Switch and Deck are not competing in the same league, and pretending Deck is more than it is. It's awesome, it's cool, I'm so glad Valve finally gave us an alternative with gyro and without Windows. But it is (and will only ever be) a niche enthusiast device.
And if you doubt that, just watch the numbers for Switch and Deck. They can do the talking.
@Primo40295 This exactly. I just bought an OLED, my first Switch, and I’ve already built quite a catalog of games. It absolutely HAS to be backwards compatible, given the recent release of the OLED model.
I'd like to see this from the next few years of Nintendo:
I love the Switch. I've been playing video games for over 20 years now and it's up there with the best consoles for fun and entertainment. I really just hope Nintendo don't release something a huge step away that makes people buy everything again. It seems like something they have no intention of doing at the moment so here's to a shiny Switch+ that satisfies the performance nerds when it lands 🎉
@NotSoCryptic
That sounds like almost entirely gfx/platform API related, which has nothing to do with whether you are using ARM or x64.
Also what are you using assembly for? The compiler will be able to greatly out optimize you 99% of the time. Consoles don't have AVX512 and AVX2 and lower SIMD is handled by XMVECTOR and XMMATRIX for you.
whatever tech they can fit within the $300 frame, they will.
@tatchy
By support 4K natively, I hope you mean "can upscale the image to a resolution for 4k TVs, without an adapter". I don't want games to be in native 4K for a hybrid system, as the data sizes are too big. Although, I would like to see improvement with memory read speeds in both handheld mode and in dock mode.
Due to battery limitations, if I had to choose between 1080p in handheld mode or an increase in read speed in handheld mode, I'd want the latter to be prioritized for the 'NEW' Nintendo Switch 2.
I’d say 2099 at the latest.
Nintendo is freaking doomed, people. The Marios isn't good anymore, they shut down Metroid Online... Just a sad state of affairs.
@Leo2Kirby Blah blah blah! If I wanted to hear about computer chips I'd go to Chipotle.
Gavin is a poor writer, by the way. This is utter drivel.
Maybe you guys at Nintendolife could explain or do a separate article explaining why there is a semi-conductor shortage, who it affects, who/where produces & distributes them, what raw materials go into the process and what the outlook (supply, demand) looks like going forward and its effects on the gaming industry and alternatives as a whole… in addition to consumers & pricing.
Just a thought and suggestion for your readers!
… Wun can only hope.
I’m not ready to upgrade yet tbh. Continue to make games that run well on the current system!
… Wun can only hope.
@Ravenmaster it would take alot more than that to push me into another console. I'm gonna hang on to my Switch till it won't play anymore. I'm just enjoying it to much.
@iLikeUrAttitude exactly. Even with a "dip" in sales. Nintendo is still having money fights on lunch break! Switch is breaking all sorts of sales records. Nintendo is dumping money into their R&D fund....and their are still big games coming out. Now if they would just give me Ys 1 and a Master System Collection!
I don't see it being the first half of any year. The Switch's March launch was an anomaly forced by the Wii U's failure.
@tadams587 my vision must be really bad or I'm old school and not a spoiled 6or7th Gen hardware and beyond gamer. 30 framed, 60 frames, 20 frames. If the game is good, I don't notice or care.
@Pichuka97 i am afraid the next switch won't be backward compatible..
@Leo2Kirby Nintendo is never going to make a power console again. Haven't you learned from the GameCube? As the Switch is still selling well they've proven that they don't need speed or power as you claim. It's up to third-party developers with what to do for the Switch, and seeing how amazing a game like Monster Hunter Rise looks, it's certainly possible to create high-quality AAA games on Nintendo's platform.
I do agree Nintendo should let their generation last at least 7 years. I expect they will do that with the Switch.
Nintendo's handhelds have always had longer lifespans than its traditional TV only based consoles.
Given that a 7/8 year shelf life is easily doable.
Unlikely to be a successor until at least 2025. When it starts selling less than 10m units a year and the first party software output begins to fall, you might hear about the Switch 2 or whatever it will be called. 5 years into it's life and the Switch is still selling 20m+ units a year, why on earth would you release a successor? Let the Switch Pro/Successor rumours die with dignity, too many banging games coming out 😁
@JayJ
A system like Steam Deck, not even available in the general stores and sold in the thousands numbers rather than console-standard millions even at release window...yes, the Deck is very much a niche product until the day its generally available at stores.
@ObeseChihuahua2 im guessing spring time 2023 just like the original switch released at 2017 spring time.
@WaveBoy
Well, the thing with the Switch is the "switch", it's not a PS3 "docked", it's a handheld console that can be played on the TV. No one buys a handheld gaming console and expects it to deliver current gen console graphics...the Steam Deck doesn't deliver that neither and it's from 2022...
Haha. Finally admission the "Pro" rumour is dead and we'll get an actual successor like a Switch 2 like the PS5 is to PS4, not a more expensive premium model selling beside the current Switch like the PS4 Pro was to PS4.
Given the OLED is quite recent, I'd expect Nintendo will want to keep selling those as long as possible. Early 2023 at the earliest for a Switch 2, while late 2023 or early 2024 the most likely.
@WaveBoy switch is far more powerful then ps3 and 360 so try again dood.
@WaveBoy troll harder dude many people that played eternal on the switch says it runs fine but since i havent played it myself to find out but since bethesda decided to screw us physical copy gamers by going digital im not giving them a single cent till then.
I think the OLED was going to be the pro, but they couldn't get the chips to upgrade the processor a little. That's my opinion. I don't think there will be a successor for a long time but there will probably be a "pro" similar to the "New" 3DS, with minor improvements when chips become cheap and easy to get hold of. Nintendo is happy to carve a niche of new content albeit underpowered and akin to last gen on other platforms. I personally want a smaller, sturdier Switch, that has working joycon and is able to play BOTW and Links Awakening without slowdown. I don't need a whole new gen experience just yet.
So a slight dip in sales, due to a parts shortage and availability? Better make a new console!
Yeah, that makes sense. /s
@WaveBoy im calling you out on that you cant compare switch to ps3 since the specs in the switch is alot better then wat the ps3 has.You cant blame the switch on any bad utilized ports cause of laziness from some of the devs even though eternal has some flaws its still a good game.
Back in the NES days, even as its sales slowed, Nintendo pretended the SNES wasn't in the works until the day they admitted it was in the works. Announcing a successor is like admitting defeat to them or something
I was a late adopter for Switch so I don't need new hardware, nor do I want it. At times I wish my Life was beefier but I don't play taxing stuff on it.
when asked if nintendo will release a new switch hardware this fiscal year nintendo president furukawa said no comment.. that is interesting. rather then said no plans as he has said in the past he said no comment i find that very interesting...
I don't get why people can't see Nintendo's statement that the Switch is halfway into its lifespan as proof that we aren't getting a successor this year or next year. It'll still be quite a while before we see a new Switch, I'd guess maybe mid/late 2024 AT THE EARLIEST. It's still massively successful despite not being as powerful as its competitors and it will continue to be successful as long as Nintendo has strong exclusives lined up for the system. We've got plenty of heavy-hitters already confirmed for this year along with BOTW2 next year, so the release schedule is showing no signs of slowing down. I could see a revision akin to the New 3DS coming this year or next year, but anyone who's convinced we're seeing the Switch 2 this year or next year is setting themselves up for disappointment.
Switch Pro is an inevitability, despite chip shortages. It a game of time vs Nintendo at this point while we wait for more chips. Nintendo can keep momentum if time is on their side, otherwise it will be difficult to maintain momentum going forward.
@OrtadragoonX I agree with ps4's loading times. I only had my ps4 for 8 months, until I've sold it, because I couldn't handle the long load times. I thought it was just me! And don't get me started with the loud fan! I have no interest in the ps5. I'm perfectly happy with my Xbox Series S and Nintendo Switch OLED!
@ReaperMelia Exactly 💯 Correct!
Sony and Microsoft can release a brand new console with little fear of losing money, because they have too much money to spare. Nintendo isn't a tech firm, so the timing of their hardware releases do matter, and that means releasing a new console is suicide.
There's a difference between how scarcity is managed. With Nintendo, they usually voluntarily manufacture less to create a sense of scarcity and raise demand, but they are very confident in reaching that break-even point. With this shortage, it's unpredictable and whether they are in control or not, there's gonna be real scarcity no matter what.
The Switch is here to stay. You want better hardware? Get a Steam Deck.
@Rhum17 i said it before and ill say it again, if that is what you want, you should come to mexico, there are tons of new consoles from Microsoft and Sony colecting dust on store shelves
@RiasGremory Maybe, but at this point I don't really care. I still have a ton of Switch games that I've yet to even buy, including (surprisingly) MK8DX.
@Chocobo_Shepherd glad more people realize this. There are endless games to enjoy on the switch as it is. Nintendo could focus more on online play experiences but so many games are solo that it doesn't really matter.
@NintendoEternity
I’ve always been primarily a Playstation gamer, but I’ve owned a wide variety of consoles from different manufacturers.
My PS5 and Switch satisfies me for now, but I’m contemplating building another gaming PC.
It doesn’t matter when they release the new one.For me the most important thing will be backward compatibility with switch.If the new console won’t support it it will be a while before I buy it anyway.
@Joe-b
True, that's why I'd want a higher color pallet & memory read speeds prioritized before anything else. It wouldn't make since to release an upgraded 'NEW' Nintendo Switch 2 without them.
@Pichuka97 No reason to believe it wont be backward compatible. It is compatible with PS4 code, so is Sony's PS5. So Why wouldn't it be? I Just hope they don't take too long to replace the current Switch Lite. I'm not a Switch Lite User. However, I am aware how the cheapest alternative on the Market can massively effect both Investor & Dev decisions on software releases, especially late with-in a consoles lifetime. With-in a year of the 'New' Nintendo Switch 2 getting released, they must drop & replace the current Switch Lite from their production line.
Nintendo’s devs are going to be stretched so thin in development time that eventually they’ll have to make episodic games spaced out between different console generations. Switch 2 will be portception so backwards compatibility shouldn’t be treated as a given.
Whatever they do, they can’t give up the player base for the next 4 years at least
This is the longest Nintendo has EVER sailed a flagship system without even ANNOUNCING a successor.
It's an absolute first, and they're getting away with it HARD.
@OrtadragoonX
I don't play stuff like WRC. Also, how big is your tv? I'm playing with 24 inch monitor with no 4k support. If you got like 40+ tv and possibly 4k of course you'll be seeing more difference in graphics?
@tadams587 color pallet? Sent they roughly all the same now?
@Leo2Kirby,
Not sure why, people do not buy the Switch for third party games, and if you look at the software sales chart this is pretty obvious.
I get more power for Nintendo's own first party and partners output, but to have more power for third-party releases that do not sell seems pointless, if a graphically intensive game was available for a beefed up switch, most would still get it for the PS5/Series X, because not only with the visuals still be better, their online service is also much more robust.
Metroid Prime 4, which we know is a confirmed Switch game, is very unlikely to launch before 2024. So that’s why I think 2024 is more likely for a Switch successor. Metroid Prime 4 will be Switch’s swan song I feel.
@OrtadragoonX I really enjoyed my ps3 phat, when I had it. I just couldn't get into my ps4, so I've sold it within 8 months. I'm waiting on the PS6, since I have no interest in the ps5.
I'm perfectly Happy with the Nintendo Switch OLED and Xbox Series S this Trip!
@johnvboy I buy all the third party games on my Nintendo Switch OLED to Support it. I want more games to come to the Nintendo Switch!
@EriXz That’s interesting. I managed to get a Series X on a fluke by being on GameStop’s website for an unrelated reason and saw they had stock. Of course they sold out in hours. Where I’m at the shelves dedicated to consoles are bare. That often includes Switch. If there are other consoles is the Series S.
There’s no shortage of parts required to make a switch 2 or switch pro. They could reuse almost all the same parts that the switch oled uses. We just want a CPU an GPU that 10 times faster. There’s no shortage of that they are tiny chips and Nintendo is not ordering a very large volume of them compared to the size of the Sony and Microsoft chips or the volume of the apple chips. Nintendo can launch a new console whenever they want.
@NintendoEternity,
Of course more games will always be welcome, but the sales will be always heavily biased to Nintendo's and their partners games.
@SmacLac New consoles launch during the lifecycle of the predecessor not after. For instance, 3DS was not discontinued until September 2020.
@Cia
55 inch inch 4K.
It goes beyond overall resolution. It’s also about the visual settings.
More foliage, higher draw distances, higher texture resolutions, better shadows, significantly higher quality lighting, higher and more consistent framerates, better motion blur, and most importantly to me on a personal level, actual anti-aliasing which reduces jagged edges and really cleans up the image.
Compare Pokémon Legends to something like Ghost of Tsushima. It’s a night and day difference when we are talking about just the quality of the image.
All of that is noticeable on 1080p screens, even small ones.
Not to say that the Switch doesn’t have some really pretty games. Breath of the Wild and Shin Megani Tensei V are both really pretty games thanks to their strong art styles. And SMTV has surprisingly high quality assets. Only issue I have with that game is that it runs poorly; extremely unstable framerate.
But it’s just no contest when it comes to visuals and the quality of the image. Even the PS4 blew the Switch out of the water in that front. The PS5 takes it further.
But like I said, I love the Switch for what it is. Nintendo’s first party games leverage the hardware very well most of the time and punch above their weight class in terms of visuals. There’s also a handful of third party titles that take good advantage of what power the Switch has.
Plus I can’t put my PS5 in a case and take it with me on trips to play at a hotel. That’s where the Switch really shines.
@Xiovanni
That draws too much power for not enough returns.
ARM is the way to go for handhelds and I believe that is what Nintendo will stick with with nVidia being the supplier again. They already have a new APU package that supports many of the RTX3000 features.
@JaxonH you did such a fantastic job verifying that you forgot to.
The steamdeck has moved 1.5 million unit as of the month of May. I'm not sure where you're getting 500k from, but you should check the time stamps on the articles you read.
As far as compatibility im sure I covered that, but might have deleted that info in haste for my last response. I can verify that horizons stability has greatly improved with the last update. I spent 6 hours uninterrupted playing it. The only quirk I can find is when it is plugged into the TV the game turns into a slide show. A few games seem to struggle with this and after speaking with valve they are aware and on it. The turn around on fixes is pretty good. They can't verify and reverify fast enough. I'm not the only one noticing it. A lot of games just start working.
Given the above calling the steambox with os 2.0 niche is understandable, calling the steam deck niche is looking at a rather bias lense because as you put it half don't work or the verification status is shallow at some snap shot in time 2.5 months ago. It really is improving at a rapid pace. It won't be long that steams massive library of games becomes a functional list that dwarfs most first year release schedules for a piece of hardware.
You also bring up the gps win and ill just assume the entire lot of windows based handhelds. Don't think those aren't part of the problem Nintendo is facing, I just use steamdeck as a catchall, since its current trajectory is showing a vector of high levels of improvement. I will not be surprised if digital foundry ends up revisiting the hardware and being pleasantly satisfied with the improvements. Keep in mind that while you snagged a price point for steamdeck at its highest tier, doesn't mean the unit isn't available for cheaper or that it won't eventually get to that point. I will not be surprised at further price drops especially as the stability improves and the numbers come in for purchase of games from deck users.
I think I mentioned this already to you. It just needs to be niche, it doesn't need to do switch numbers to succeed. It just has to eat enough of the switches lunch to slow it down. The system will certainly do that when there are gamers looking to buy most of their games on steam. How many steam users own a switch and think "i could save a lot of money by not buying at Nintendo prices" how many streamers do you see with a switch and profess their pc love. This thing has steam (excuse the pun) it's going to make a dent. The compatibility will improve. Eventually a critical mass will be achieved as some developers will consider native Linux/Vulkan support and windows/vulkan support for greater compatibility and performance with steam deck. Already seeing it at my studio and others. Just needs to get over that hump. If third parties are asking for kit and trying to build their own boxes to improve support, then you have a recipe for potential success.
Do not down play this, it will sneak up on you.
@Joe-b
No the Switch doesn't have today's expected standard for color pallet, neither in handheld mode or in Dock mode. The Full/Limited TV option in the Nintendo Switch's settings is just a way to increase compatibility among the Various TV Brands.
Another way you can tell is the OLED colors don’t appear right when in full bright mode. When in full bright mode it’s best to turn the Vivid colors to standard Colors.
@tadams587 wow. I thought after playstation/ Saturn generation color pallets were pretty much at a max. The pallets were high enough then. How many colors is enough?
@NotSoCryptic
Oh, right on. I was going by preorder estimates that indicated 500k units were secured, and that was backed up to Q3 and beyond. Since they haven't shipped all those units, it would follow they haven't shipped more than 500k. But if you say 1.5 mil, I'll take your word for it, because it doesn't really change anything. Wii U did 3 million in half the time, so saying it's done half the numbers as Wii U in the same time frame isnt really saying much.
Your post seems to be trying to convince me it's a cool device, but I already know that. I also never said it didn't need to be niche. I know perfectly well it'll do just fine as a niche device because it is supported via Steam. But that was never my argument. My argument is that it's impact is negligible, and it is. That's just a fact. The only lunch it's eating is Aya Neo and GPD. It's practically eating the crumbs Switch is leaving behind. Nothing more.
One can acknowledge it's a cool device (and it is), acknowledge it doesn't need to do big numbers to have a place in the market (which it doesnt), but also acknowledge it's not impacting Switch in any significant way. And again, the numbers prove it. Switch just pushed 23 million (and would have been more if not for the shortage). It's slated for another 21 million this year, even despite the shortage. That's double the PS5 projections
So if Deck is supposed to be competing with Switch it's doing a piss poor job of it thus far. On the other hand, if it's competing against Aya and GPD and OneXplayer as a lower cost but still expensive alternative PC based handheld, it's doing a stand up job.
@NotSoCryptic
BTW, I just did some research and I'm doubting that 1.5 mil number. It's based on "analytics" which is not confirmation, and takes into account all preorder projections.
Valve themselves said they're only producing tens of thousands in month 1 (February) and a few hundred thousand in month 2 (March). Which means maybe a quarter million shipped by April 1st. There's no way they did another 1.25 million in April.
So ya, that 1.5 mil is just an estimate based on analytics which means it's accounting for all preorders in the system, meaning they'll be at 1.5 mil by the end of Q4.
https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-says-steam-deck-production-will-be-in-the-hundreds-of-thousands-by-next-month/
@JaxonH I wish I could give you my internal numbers, sadly legally binded by NDA. So you can choose to take it as a valid secured preorder or not. Since you can't verify me as a source.
As far as the Wii U goes. Not really a fair measure. For one the Wii U was riding off the success of the Wii for its initial pre-order window for the first 3 months. Equally Nintendo wasn't facing a component shortage like we are seeing today. Even with the Wii U's successful launch month it had a miserable life cycle. The 3DS has a horrible launch and stunted around 2 million units till Nintendo tried to save the machine. At the time the Vita was looming, the price was high (laughable now), and a lack of a compelling library was held against it. You could go into a store and by a 3DS not long after launch the same with the Wii U. You can't just go to valves site and buya deck and have it arrive next day or the same week. Just to get the 400 dollar base unit pushes you into late 2022 if you're lucky, even then there is a disclaimer that it could go into 4th quarter. That alone has new purchases in a holding pattern. You see that with other consoles too. Why preorder something you may not get for a year and something better could come along. That Holding pattern is also waiting to see how things improve for the Steamdeck. I have 6 coworkers waiting to reserve a unit till the wait time comes down and to see how those of us who have one are liking it. They are regular switch users too. Anecdotal sure, but its something I'm seeing in a lot of places online.
The demand is there and Valve, new to the console hardware game is still figuring things out.
As far as the PCgamer.com article goes. Grain of salt for an article from March 1st. Just as Q1 reservations were going out. They managed to get all Q1 out and quickly got the Q2 orders rolling out. Which is why I suspect we haven't seen Q3 getting pushed out further to Q4 in reservations.
So while youre first generation view has colored your view of it. I do think you need to spend some more time with it and see how things have changed. A lot will change with each iteration of the steam os and proton. Honestly if more and more of my library just works, the less and less of a reason I'll have to recommend a switch over it. Since you can setup other accounts on the steamdeck I am letting people try the games they ask about on my system, because they really want to know.
Ultimately in the short term, ya steamdeck is iffy at best and niche. Long term I don't see it staying that way. More systems will enter the market place. A second iteration will come to improve on its short comings. The stablity of software will continue to improve. Cheaper models and a second hand market will form around the machine. Only things standing in the way is word of mouth.
@NotSoCryptic
Very few people would have access to actual hard data, and not to call you into question, but I do have my doubts about a number cited by "analytics" just so happening to be the exact internal number. Especially when Gabe himself specifically told us the numbers they're doing in the factory- so it would take a source more reputable than Gabe Newell to convince me what he said was wrong. Manufacturing throughput doesn't change that dramatically on a dime.
Long term I don't see it ever gaining status as anything more than niche enthusiast device. I heard all these arguments before about VR, and how it's the future, and it'll be a force to be reckoned with... none of that ever panned out.
When you say "demand is there" the question is how much. Enough to maybe sell 1-2 mil units in a year, and assuming sales don't fall off a cliff after the initial preorder rush ships out post Q3/Q4, another 1m per year after.
Ya, they'll eventually release a successor, and it'll be the same story all over again. The fact is, the demand for portable PC gaming and all the problems and issues that comes with it is and will continue to be something the mainstream doesn't latch onto. A $400-650 device with all the hindrances and pitfalls of PC is not and will never be mainstream. It's for the enthusiasts, like me.
I feel like continuing this further would just be going in circles, so feel free to disagree. But until I see hard evidence to the contrary- actual meaningful double digit millions confirmed for Deck in a fiscal year, and evidence that wasn't additional purchases by enthusiasts but actually put a notable dent in Switch sales, I won't be convinced.
Around the same time as the next Zelda game and Mario movie, and a game with probably come out soon after the movie. the next console NEED to come out with a new zelda and mario game. i cannot imagine they launch the console with next next zelda game which is like minimal 6-7 years away. so. 2023 for sure.
@NotSoCryptic most enthusiasts, which are the loudest voice in the internet, don't realize people play games on the hardware, not playing the hardware itself.
@OrtadragoonX
I still don't see a reason to get another system. Switch has the best catalogue of games, and I don't care if some worse games on other systems have more stuff stacked on the screen or higher resolution. 1080p is enough for me. 720 is enough too.
As you said, the Switch have many beatiful games due to their superb art style. The only game I would be interested to play from other consoles is Elden Ring, but it's just one game and I'm pretty sure the BotW sequel blows it out of the water. And even if it doesn't, at least it's good enough to fill that gap.
If they keep putting out great 1st party games, I'd be happy with another 5 years of Switch.
@ModdedInkling
LOL 😆 😂 🤣
"Steam d!ck"
"the Nintendo Switch Killer" 😆 🤣 😂
Remember those FAILED Steam Machines, I didn't think so. The Steam d!ck won't even come nowhere near to 107 Million Units sold.
@NintendoEternity
My points exactly. There's no reason to release a more powerful handheld if it's gonna remain a struggle regardless of how much has been put into it.
The Sooner the better regardless of chip shortage. If they want to corner and have demand the sooner the better. The longer you wait the harder demanding games will got PS5 or XBOXX2 system. It's not in Nintendo interest to keep the myth mid-life as they said they many times already in the past. I saw a YT of this but can't find the guy talking they used the MID-LIFE so many times you wonder if this is HALF-LIFE gaming.
@iLikeUrAttitude
We’ll see. Those are some good points worth considering , but there are a lot of signs pointing to the Switch successor coming out soon too.
2023 would be 6 years after the Switch launched. How many Nintendo systems went more than 6 years before the launch of their successor? Not many of them.
As for the Switch being at the mid point of its life, that doesn’t mean a successor isn’t on the way. For example, the 3DS stayed alive for a couple years after the Switch launched. The Switch 2 could launch next year and the Switch 1 could be kept alive until 2025 making the “mid point” claim true.
Bottom line is this though: you and I don’t work at Nintendo and we’re not insiders. Therefore, neither of us is in a position to say with 100% certainty whether the Switch 2 will launch next year. My money is on yes, but I fully admit I could be wrong. You should show a little humility and be open to the possibility that you are incorrect too (especially because you don’t actually know).
@SwitchForce
Mid life doesn’t mean that a successor can’t launch before the end of its life.
The mid life claim was in 2021; 4 years after the Switch launched. Suppose a Switch 2 launches next year and the Switch 1 still gets support until 2025. That would mean the Switch would have an 8 year life and the mid life claim would be true, even with the Switch 2 launching before the end of the Switch’s life.
Look at the 3DS for a recent example. The Switch launched in 2017 and the 3DS still got first party games until 2019. I can totally see the same thing happening with the Switch and the Switch 2.
If Nintendo REALLY wants to ride out the console’s lifetime, It have to be into Spring 2027; putting us at a full 10 years, lining up with the company’s goal of going beyond the usual 7 to 8 year shelf life, and might also make sense realistically in a world in the middle of a pandemic-induced, semi conductor and supply shortage.
There could also be a global recession in the near future, with runaway inflation in the US already meaning that the next generation isn't likely to sell as well when it's all tabulated up.
@SwitchForce Go play your Xbox/PlayStation games then if you keep buying into their philosophy.
Literally, the Switch is not underpowered. Its just not running at 100% at 90 degrees to do "4k". And its not like the base versions of PS4/XOne did 4k either!
Strange how the competition launched a Pro midway through the life of the console to upsell you to the 4k bs. Cause sales would have tanked otherwise.
The point is chasing the sun is a game you will lose. Nintendo can release a 4k Switch with all the bells and whistles and Sony/Microsoft will just roll out a Pro that does 8k. See how that works?
PC hardware is always ahead of the game anyway.
Also if the reason to get a Switch Pro/2 is to get third party that everyone is getting you're sorely mistaken.
Nintendo focuses on gameplay that's why we get games like Monster Hunter Rise.
Also, how are you going to fit 100GB sized games on a portable device? Literally, the base Steam deck has 64GB and is more expensive then the Switch OLED and it goes up from there. 64GB is smaller then some of the biggest AAA games out there now let alone NEXT GEN.
So in what realistic universe are we going to get a 256GB+ 4k Switch 2 with DLSS and Ray Tracing for USD$350 in 2023?
Cause I'll like to go there now.
Why are people ALWAYS toxic here?
Steam Deck exists now and it tells you that Nintendo was ahead of the game and didn't cheat us.
In what realistic universe are we going to get a 256GB+ 4k Switch 2 with DLSS and Ray Tracing for USD$350 in 2023?
Cause I'll like to go there now.
@SNES64DD Why are people ALWAYS toxic here?
Your own words back to you. Switch is underpowered so unless you can provided technical and evidence to the contrary your reply is mute here. When people point out the obvious it's kill the messenger right. This is how nothing gets done. They been talking Half-Life forever this isn't new and people already have pointed this out. Half-Life is way past DUE DATE here. People are buying into the PR misleading viewpoints about the faked half-life that is way past expiration date now already. And the Nvidia leaks was about close as one gets to spelling out Switch NeXtGen hardware was developing on or before 2019 as noted. If anyone really read what the leak said.
@RushDawg The Chipset is from 2015 or older because it's from Nvidia but people keep talking like it was just pop out yesterday. Let's be Realistic here those chipsets are older then the Switch itself by the time it came out. Tegra X1 was from the Nvidia Shield and we know how old that was to give you a sense of how old it was already.
@SwitchForce As I stated, the Steam Deck exists, costs more and still only does 720p so I don't see in what realistic universe are we going to get a 256GB+ 4k Switch 2 with DLSS and Ray Tracing for USD$350 in 2023?
My point is third party games NOW are like 50-100GB and counting. How are they going fit all that and features like 4k, Ray Tracing, etc for a solid price?
Half-Life is way past DUE DATE here. People are buying into the PR misleading viewpoints about the faked half-life that is way past expiration date now already.
LOL. It's is not a "fake" half life.
Ever thought you just probably just interpreted it different?
They never said halfway was exact the midway point. They just said, mid life cycle began in Year 3 which was when Nintendo first said it.
The way I saw it, 0-3 years is beginning of life cycle, 3-6 years is mid life cycle and 6-9 years is end of lifecycle so how is that...wrong?
Edit: I don't mean to sound offensive or insulting but honestly, people can't seem to read between the lines especially when things are translated from Japanese. I remember when NintendoLife first wrote articles about the half life thing and facepalmed so hard. I feel like most people bash Nintendo without realising what they stand for or how they do things. Could be a cultural disconnect or simply because the media have done a bad job.
Like with the Nintendo Switch Online thing, I was saying how I feel it would be great if Nintendo could do standalone DLC for like their subscription service (this was in 2019 when Luigi's Mansion 3 just launched) and everyone is now surprised they are doing this. Its not exactly what I had in mind, as the DLC is not standalone but the idea was similar.
The current Switch doesn't have today's expected standard for color pallet, neither in handheld mode or in Dock mode.
The Full/Limited TV option in the Nintendo Switch's TV settings is just a way to increase compatibility among the Various TV Brands.
Another way you can tell is the OLED colors don’t appear quite right when in full bright console mode. When in full bright mode it’s best to turn the Vivid colors to standard Colors.
Comparing Nintendo’s Sonic Colors game to the version release every where else is another way to tell the color pallet is not up to today’s standard.
Yes, the current Switch can play several Gen 8 Games, but not all of the games will share the same color pallet as their other console & PC ports. The Switch’s color pallet is on par with the PS3 era. Both the limited color pallet & limited memory read speed speed are why it is considered to be in the Same Console Generation as the Wii-U, despite it being an upgrade of it.
We do need an upgrade with-in 2 years. Keeping the Native HD & implementing an built-in up-scalper is pivotal to Nintendo achieving the necessary memory read speed buff, while both keeping both data sizes down & maintaining the hybrid handheld form format.
Nintendo paved the way for handheld gaming, yet I do often play my Nintendo Switch in TV mode. However, the day Nintendo decides to walk away from the handheld form factor, I’d probably turn to full time Labtop gaming instead. As a Kid I was heavily invested in Nintendo’s Handheld gaming. Now as an Adult, having the alternative option to play from TV mode is also extremely pivotal to my life.
I will never buy another Sony console again. They decided to open their arms to many complaints from children about games that aren’t advertised for them, and have shaped their business model around it. To make matters worst I now see their influence have started to effect the decisions of games that released on other consoles. “Changes implemented due to the Hatred for the Female Form in the West”, what a load of crap. Especially in titles rated Teen, Mature, and Adult. Yet, how did grand theft auto and God of War, games developed by Western Studios get a pass!? Today’s investors need to grow a back bone and just accept “This product may not be appealing to everyone, but may sell very well, amongst it’s “Targeted Customers”. If it passes the established rating system, then don’t censor it. I understand censoring Risky Content on children’s games, in fact I agree with it. But censoring any slight cleavage and/or flattening every chest despite no Risky Content, even in kids games is promotes a suggestive body standard which is hypocritical & stupid. To Censor Teen, mature, and Adult Games is just wrong and it’s an insult to people who are employed, which are also many of whom is both purchasing the games and the “Targeted Audience” of Teen, Mature, and Adult Games.
They been talking Half-Life for so many corp meetings with press release talking Half-life already so to think one knows half-life is a joke here. You can make half-life or mid-life all you want the chipset is past due and is older then the Switch when it was released in 2017 the chipset is dated roughy 2015 or older so this is far past mid-cycle or half-life already. So stop trying to be revisionist here.
Thing is, all of the production of the SoC's for the other console makers come from TSMC. All of AMD's output comes from there, plus Apple's own chips for pretty much all of their devices nowadays (since they dropped intel on Mac) come from TSMC and their list of orders is overbooked, there's no getting much out of the chip fab.
But Nintendo is partnered with Nvidia and Nvidia, contrary to AMD, doesn't source everything from TSMC, they also source from Samsung who are not nearly has overbooked as TSMC. Early indications are that the next switch would use a Tegra Orin chip or a variant of it, which we know is on 8nm, which would line-up nicely with Samsung making the SoC instead of TSMC, which is also good for Nintendo since TSMC makes the X1 in the base Switch so production of more of the older model would not "steal" production capacity away from the newer one.
When the original Switch launched, the X1 was made on 20nm despite the Pascal generation of NVidia GPUs on PC releasing a year earlier using 16nm. By the time the next Switch launches, Ampere will be a thing of the past and Lovelace will be the current generation of NVidia's PC GPUs, which is said to be using TSMC's 4nm or potentially better than that. A Switch 2 with a 8nm SoC, which should be "matured" tech by then, is therefore very plausible (and Orin is said to be 8nm, which makes sense if it is based on the Ampere architecture, and Samsung was responsible for a lot of the production of Nvidia's RTX 3000 series of GPUs). so that would line up with what's been done previously by NVidia for Nintendo and 8nm would mean Samsung, not TSMC, so no competition from Apple, Sony, Microsoft or AMD in general for chip production capacity. That's not to say that Samsung are not also very busy, but they're just not "AS" busy.
Nintendo are going to have to launch Switch 2 soon. The console hardware is getting old and developers are already struggling with this.
I personally would like to see Switch 2 as handheld with backward compatibility for games etc.
However i would like to see a Switch Pro in the form of a traditional console. Same as XBOX Series S.
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