Metal Gear Solid: Master Collection Vol. 1 Resolution & Frame Rate Chart Released

And Nvidia Shield runs 2 and 3 with 60 fps. Such a shame!

MGS2: https://youtu.be/iTbBRZX6yWU?si=K7O3BAcTFdWmiCz9

MGS3: https://youtu.be/OPNNHFSegyg?si=6qxvA-VMn79WvW6n

Cant wait to try it Play 1st and 3rd MGS

Okay. But, the main question is – what's about the dual audio option support?

@Wheatly just curious, what do you want Konami to do to them?

(Keep in mind there a lot of purists out there.)

We live in the future! Why is tech getting worse? Twin snakes ran on gamecube at 60. What a giant mess.

@ChromaticDracula One thing I’d really love myself is for the GameCube versions to come over, was it dual snakes?
I love the first game, but honestly just not sure if I could play it this day and age because of the graphics - the GameCube version looks good though and would love to be able to play that

I am honestly fine with a solid 30 fps; and I mean flawless. That being said, will pick it up on a sale.

Just to be clear in hand held mode the Switch is not limited to 720p. It’s called the native resolution of the actual screen. Even if the switch could render games at 4k resolution there would be no point in doing so in handheld mode.

@WhiteTrashGuy read the small print on the bottom of the picture lol

There’s really no reason why any version of any of these games should not be running at 60fps. But if they’re locking it in at 30fps, it better damn well not have any frame drops.

Edit: damn, I just read the fine print. They’re making excuses before they even release the games. 🤦‍♂️

This is bull crap!!!! Damn you Konami for this lazy port! One of the top expected releases and you ruin it!!!!! These are ps2 games- Switch could easily run 60fps!!! Burn in Hell Konami!!!! Buuuuurn!!!!

I was going to buy this as I’ve never played any of these before. But I just can’t support this

I’ll be skipping this. No games included on the cart at all so I’ll not support this lazy attempt of a cash grab.

@ChromaticDracula Dual audio option support, please.

"1080p on PS5"
"The original games have been up-converted to display at these resolutions."

They are proud of achieving the bare minimum?

"Highest possible frame rate achievable. Certain factors such as large amounts of effects during gameplay/cutscenes may cause frame rate drops."

LOL. LMAO.

What the hell are they doing that they - apparently - can't even guarantee the pc and psxbox versions to run at 60 consistently

2 and 3 ran at 60fps on 360 so the fact they don't on Switch is a bit pathetic.

What an embarassment. "Highest possible frame rate achievable." Who are they trying to fool with these lies?

@SBandy1 MGS 2 ran at 60 fps on the PS2. Also, these are just ports of the MGS HD releases from the 360 era (3 is Subsistence HD, not Snake Eater), which ran at 60.
Soooooo, it seems the Switch version is basically just the Vita port of the HD re-releases.
Yeah no, lol. No thanks.

Fancy business elite schools don’t teach CEOs to treat creative talent well. Main reason why Konami went from untouchable to a sad, greedy shadow of its former glory.

@Dom_31 Why, farming out the project to some dodgy code-shop in India ofc

Konami can't make a 20 years old game work with 60 fps

Added to the hall of shame trivia

@LikelySatan

Even more pathetic then!

@SBandy1 they're acting like Konami and stuff.

Sorry, every now and then I need to remind people that Konami is MGS, sure...but also Gradius/Salamander/Life Force, Jackal, Contra, Castlevania, Goemon, Zombies Ate my Neighbors, Sunset Riders, Rocket Knight, Suikoden, Snatcher, Vandal Hearts, Zone of the Enders and Silent Hill. Insert a sigh that started in hell.

Ok can someone give me advice, me being a complete MGS noob:
I have both a GameCube and of course a Switch set up. Always wanted to get a copy of "Twin Snakes" but the used price put me off... it's not too bad though. I understand that it's basically the same game as MGS 1 from the Playstation, which is included here.

Which version would you go for? What is more fun?

Alright guess I'll buy this on PS5 when it's on sale in that case

@NintendoWife Twin Snakes is a bit of a controversial remake of the first MGS for many different reasons. They redubbed the voice acting, the soundtrack is completely different and they redid cutscenes which are animated to be very over the top and are pretty out of place compared to the rest of the series. The controls and gameplay system is the same as MGS2 and if you know your way around that game's controls, you can easily break it's difficulty.

I thought the switch version was 720p-30fps for both docked and handheld. Maybe I misread it a month back. It still makes me wonder why the Switch can't run 1, 2&3 60fps docked or handheld, then again I am not really a tech person. I still have the original releases and having these on the go is what sells it to me. Though I should improve my standards, because its people like me who encourage what could be considered shoddy ports and for that I apologise. Hence why this time I think I'll just leave it and maybe pick this up second hand instead.

@PipeGuy64Bit Thanks for the insights! So you prefer the original? I'm more of a Zelda / Mario type of player, so if Twin Snakes is dumbed down a little I don't think I'd mind. I really suck at shooters (but MGS isn't a shooter either, is it?).

@NintendoWife twin snakes for the Cube is more of a remaster of MGS in the same vien as Metroid Prime was remastered for the Switch recently. Improved graphics, redesigned cutscenes. I prefer the original over the GC version, but that's not say its bad but I wouldn't say it's worth the high price tag.

Are all 3 games on the PS4 disc? Or do 2 and 3 need to be downloaded like on the Switch version?

Not buying it until it's 90fps and I can ice-skate all the way to work on its smoothness.

@Chocobo_Shepherd : Considering that the Switch version is 60GB+, I would guess not as Blu-rays are either 25GB/50GB.

The PS5 release might (as they have 66GB/100GB discs), but I’d doubt that as I assume that any compromises will extend to all platforms.

The entire release sounds like a pathetic disaster no matter what “physical” release one picks up.

Which is a real shame. I’ve never played Metal Gear anything (except the 3DS demo back in the day), and I had every intention of picking it up, but nothing that they have revealed about the collection since the Direct has been positive, so much so that I wouldn’t accept a physical copy even if it were free.

But I would have been willing to pay extra for absolutely everything on a 64GB cart if Konami dared to release an honest product.

@Ironcore I don't mind the games being at 30FPS, with the style of gameplay these games have, it's no issue. Certainly, for FPS "enthusiasts", this has moved your brain hahaha. Oh, and I love how much appreciation Twin Snakes is getting these days.

@NintendoWife Twin Snakes is a remake of the original, and it's the best MGS title, after MGS3. Yes, they rerecorded the voice over, but they did such a marvelous job with it, the got rid of annoying accents for certain characters, cutscenes were re done by Ryuhei KItamura, a Japanese action director, picked by Kojima himself to do the cutscenes, that, altough over the top, fit the game's perspective of playing with a "super soldier", it's the only time we see Snake do super soldier stuff hehehe. Full new music for everywhere in the game, that's very good as well, and the full gameplay upgrades from MGS2, which were supposed to be in the original game, but due to system limitations, Kojima and his team couldn't include them. It's an amazing game, and, being a fan of MGS since the PS1 game, I have to say Twin Snakes is the way to play it.

I’m just hoping the reviews say they run well enough to enjoy. I’ll get em just to replay since it’s one of my fav game series as long as it does.

What a joke! Konami won't be getting my money and I've already cancelled my pre-order. This is just another lazy hald-a**ed (and overpriced) money grab of a port.

FPS doesn't bother me. MGS1 is in my top 5 favourite games of all time but I never played the sequels. Will definitely pick this collection up on Switch.

@ozwally as big of a fan as I am of the series, I’ve never played that version!
I think they redid the voice acting for (most?) of the game and I think that annoyed some people but from all I’ve heard it still sounds great.
Metal Gear Solid 1 with MGS 2 features and controls sounds awesome to me personally. I hope someday we get it ported finally!

If only they would have included twin snakes on the Nintendo version, oh well

Im OK with 30fps at 1080p, atlest its gonna be sharp. Acutally even less impressive it will only be 1080p on PS5.

Completely unacceptable for MGS2 and 3 to be 30fps on Switch. Especially MGS2 which was 60fps on the PS2 back in the day. No chance that I buy the Switch version.

@Wheatly I do like when games offer this. If Konami did it, I think having up-res’d graphics would be awesome but having a toggle in graphics options to play with original presentation would be ideal.
Personally, if I’m playing a “retro” game I usually want the entire original experience. Having an option to play with better graphics is never a bad thing.

@Wheatly I think I remember having to hold the square button to run with the gun drawn or some weird button combo. At the time, for me, that was like learning/trying to execute the super Metroid wall jump for some reason haha
It’s still burned into my mind as difficult to pull off but I also haven’t played the games in a bit.
Some new control options certainly would be nice to have.

Looks like they took Bluepoint's excellent HD versions, added a basic PS1 emulator for MGS, and did the minimum to get them to run.

Also, TWIN SNAKES IS AWESOME AND YOU SHOULD PLAY IT. IT'S AWESOOOOOME. IT'S GREAT.

All of the criticism that it was too over the top is hilarious. Like, have you even played a MGS game before lololololol

I think what I’m going to do is buy MGS1 on switch digitally and then get the PS5 disc with everything.
I for the life of my can’t get to the official website as it keeps looping asking me to select my region > birthday > etc.
I remember discovering at the bottom how it lists the switch version requires a massive download.
I want to know if PS5 also requires that large download.
I just want to play the games how they were originally meant to be. It does bother me that the switch versions of 2 and 3 can’t run at 60. I want to see some gameplay of them at 30 before I commit to anything, maybe it won’t be so bad seeing it? I might be lying to myself I dunno….

@DonierGunad try before you buy. Gamecube emulation is awesome now and you can try the game for free.

Or just play the whole game for free. If you do buy it, the money's just going to some scalper, not the devs. Playing for free doesn't hurt anyone.

@Edu23XWiiU @DonierGunad @PipeGuy64Bit
Haha ok I'm starting to get the controversy

I can't wait for some frame rate obsessives to complain about MGS1 only running at 30…

@NintendoWife MGS is stealth first over combat and the game encourages you to incapacitate guards instead of killing anyone. I'm not the best at the series myself despite all my attempts at playing it but each game has multiple difficulty options if the game being too challenging is a concern.

Nintendo fans: Yaaay!

Everyone else: 🙄

Gosh, do people really get that upset about fps? Honestly and I mean this with no disrespect to anyone: if it just has to be at 60 then buy it on another system. Personally I think these games will suit the small OLED screen perfectly and I’ll happily play at 30fps.

@Ironcore
Twin Snakes was a Remake running on the Engine of the second Game.
I guess the FPS in the first one are baked in, so you can't just make it run faster with more Horse Power.
The other two are possibly just not optimized for the Hardware...
But hell, constant 30 fps are fine.
Only if it drops it is a Problem.

I have them all on PC and PSX/2 original and from Gog and the Collection for the PS3... I think i'll skip it

But hopefully they release the fourth one to other Systems.

Not having full game on cart or just wait for the next Switch 2 using Nand3D storage for complete game on cart. Have yet to hear from them why can't fit a cart? A fast way to eat sd space as well. They could make sure the games gets on cart and download the extras that would help alot. And the price for the game should reflect that as well. So they are telling us they can't at least fit the games onto a 32gb cart that most would gladly pay for and charge at least 70 for it? Common.....this is BS.

Here's something I found interesting.

EU:

Physical Version : 29.5GB ( Front loaded onto cartridge 2.4GB )
Metal Gear Solid- Master Collection Version : 10.2GB
excl. MG&MG2 : 8.8GB
incl. MG&MG2 : 10.2GB ( Metal Gear & Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake : 1.4GB )
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty - Master Collection Version : 8.0GB
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater - Master Collection Version : 12.2GB
Bonus Content : 1.0GB + 30 GB for bonus videos

US:

Physical Version : 24.1GB ( Front loaded onto cartridge 2.4GB )
Metal Gear Solid- Master Collection Version : 4.8GB
excl. MG&MG2 : 3.4GB
incl. MG&MG2 : 4.8GB ( Metal Gear & Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake : 1.4GB )
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty - Master Collection Version : 8.0GB
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater - Master Collection Version : 12.2GB
Bonus Content : 1.0GB + 30 GB for bonus videos

https://finalweapon.net/2023/06/21/metal-gear-solid-master-collection-vol-1-physical-edition-requires-additional-downloads-on-switch/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20newly%20updated,only%202.4%20GB%20of%20data.

@SwitchForce Makes you wonder if Nintendo makes it easy for developers to not pay as much for physical cartridges compared to optical storage like disks?

At some point I can understand why some companies don't want to spend money on more expensive cartridges when selling a game not knowing whether or not the game would turn a profit on the Switch's consumer base. If it doesn't sell they know they'll end up wasting money on the physical media.

@nimnio It's honestly astounding how much this is being blown out of proportion here that pretty much everything else about the collection is being willfully ignored. There's no middle-ground opinion with these people, it's either you love it or you hate it with a burning passion.

This is all a big, “no, thank you”

Only reason for purchase is the bonus that in itself is crutch to those wanting preorder bonus but a physical that barely lacks full cart games.

@russell-marlow At some point I can understand why some companies don't want to spend money on more expensive cartridges when selling a game not knowing whether or not the game would turn a profit on the Switch's consumer base. If it doesn't sell they know they'll end up wasting money on the physical media.
We got a 100mils plus user base and that's not enough? Trust me Physical will always sell when they are given the choice. Aka, Me as one of the collectors and gamers of Nintendo games.

@Itachi2099
Well son of a ....

This is still an upgrade for people like me who have only played MGS3D Snake Eater on the 3DS. I am going to miss the Yoshi bobbleheads though...

@russell-marlow
What are you talking about? I never it was the worst thing and there was no lie in what I said. I said there was no excuse for it not to be running at 60fps, I say that on the fact that the PS3/360 HD port ran at 60fps.

And that it better run a solid 30fps, only to see Konami left a note to “excuse” potential frame rate drops.

Ain’t nothing wrong with wanting better, when they’ve done better in the past. I mean, I for one would not be impressed by a F-Zero GX port or new F-Zero game that didn’t run at 60fps either.

Here's an update on the Required Memory Sizes for this collection:

Physical Version : 25.0 GB ( *Front loaded onto cartridge 2 GB )
METAL GEAR SOLID - Master Collection Version : 7.6 GB
excl. MG&MG2 : 7.4 GB
incl. MG&MG2 : 7.4 GB + 0.2GB ( MG&MG2 )
METAL GEAR SOLID 2: Sons of Liberty - Master Collection Version : 6.6 GB
METAL GEAR SOLID 3: Snake Eater - Master Collection Version : 10.5 GB
Bonus Content : 0.3GB + 12.2 GB for bonus videos

This game could easily have fit on a 32gb switch cartridge but unfortunately Konami is using a 4GB switch cartridge which requires downloads and a 32gb Memory Card to play this game.

Here the Source:

https://www.konami.com/mg/mc/eu/en/

The Metal Gear Solid Legacy Collection on PS3 runs better than the Switch Version in the performance department and has better features as well. It's only missing the NES games.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid:_The_Legacy_Collection

Konami. LOL. How sad and as always these days, disappointing.

I have basically ditched modern and will focus my time on retro games. Half the releases these days are just retro anyways…

Not a deal breaker for me, just happy these games are finally coming to Switch.

@locky-mavo For MGS1, there's no reason to have it at 60fps since the framerate speed is tied to the speed of the cutscenes and graphic effects and there are no positive gameplay changes for having it run at 60.

I can understand the grievances for MGS2 and 3 tho, but I don't know, I chalk it all up to the Switch being in the same power scale as the Vita since it's also a portable handheld and I imagine that if it wasn't underpowered and if Konami had the source code to the games of the collection, then maybe they could be better optimized but I'm guessing the framerate is locked to 30 as to not cause worse dips in framerate to the Switch as opposed to the more powerful consoles/PC versions.

This is a port of a collection port that was released in 2012 with some slight enhancements here and there and we'll have to see the assessment of Digital Foundry to see if the collection is good or not. I'm not immediately casting judgement but I'm trying to make and sound and reasonable argument as to why this collection is going to be fine instead of hyping it up too be better than it appears too be.

I have been wanting anything Metal Gear related on Switch ever since Snake came back to Smash in 2018 and now that this collection is coming, I'm keeping my expectations tempered but also can't wait to get my hands on it.

@SwitchForce Yeah, but most of that userbase probably buys indie games and casual "cozy" games like Animal Crossing and such. I'm just trying to make sense of some of these decisions. Switch cartridges are kind of expensive to manufacture and some indie studios partner with other companies to pay for manufacturing costs of cartridge games like Limited Run that uses their FOMO marketing tactics of getting people to buy their products.

I do not understand how they cannot get 60 fps for all platforms.

@russell-marlow

The Switch blows the Vita out of the water in terms of raw power, and that's before we even say anything about the Switch having more a modern and efficient architecture. The fact that they are both handhelds means nothing.

@nimnio the majority of people playing games don't know what MGS is.

@nimnio I mean they all play pretty terribly besides Ground Zeros and V (they do, you just get used to it...like old MH), so it doesn't matter as much as say DoomE. But I don't see any reason to be dismissive of Konami just sharting out this hackneyed port, and I certainly don't see any justification for defending them. They're worse than R* insofar as respecting their legacy titles. Genre defining legacy titles.
There's obviously a lot of fans here that care about it. You don't, so cool. Buy all of the copies of this. I have my Vita copy, and that's all the Switch port is, so I'm good.

Kinda sucks that it's 30fps on Switch, but I wasn't planning on getting it there anyway. Locked at 1080p on PS5 XSX is actually a joke. Like 1080p isn't bad, but at that point just don't lie and say it's a next gen game when it runs exactly the same as the last gen version. Will still probably be a good collection but it's still a little disappointing to see this

I don't buy this 30fps limit on Switch being a problem with the hardware when the PS5/SeriesX versions can only go up to 1080p60. They are roughly 20x stronger than Switch is in docked mode, yet can only manage double the frame rate. This is more of the devs doing a piss-poor job, relying on the franchise to sell it.

Yeah, I don't see how this is the fault of the hardware. More likely to do with the emulator they're using or a poor optimization job. As shown in the graph, the first game is going to run at 30 on ALL platforms. Are we really going to pretend the PS5 can only run a PS1 game at 30fps?

Like I said in a prior comment, not a deal breaker for me since I've wanted this trilogy on Switch for years, and I'm not much of a stickler when it comes to framerate, but let's not pretend this is the fault of the hardware.

I know people like to clown on the Switch being weak and outdated, but it is quite literally several orders of magnitude more powerful than a PS2. No PS2 remasters on Switch should be performing worse than their PS2 originals.

30 vs. 60 is pretty much meaningless to me anyway so long as it's stable, though either way while I am curious about this collection I'm waiting on a sale. Kind of just got a lot of other stuff to worry about and Konami things are on sale all the time anyway, plus I already have 2 and 3 on the Xbox so it's not exactly urgent.

I swear, if someone says "The Switch is so weak, a NES game makes it explode", I'm gonna slap someone.

No, the Switch is strong enough to run those games, Konami just didn't give a crap.

30fps would be fine if the originals didn't run at 60fps. You're getting a slightly worse experience and it's not even a solid 30fps so it could drop below that. Wish more developers would give the Switch a chance actually take care of the games they're porting over.

@Wheatly Right! I would be willing to pay maybe $40. Kinda want to get it on pc actually.

At this point I think I’ll just play the remasters on Vita.

@Stamina_Wheel DF is the only place I'd trust for this sorta stuff

@MirrorFate2 The Switch is so weak, a Famicom game makes it explode

@russell-marlow
The Vita is not on par with the Switch, even in handheld mode. The Switch sits more in-line with the PS3/360/Wii U in power, performance & specs. Hence the complaint.

@ozwally The Twin Snakes version is the only one worth playing. MGS1 was just way too ambitious for something as weak as the PS1.

@locky-mavo Konami seems to think so. Not defending their decision to see it that way, but we'll have to wait and see when the game releases and if it's truly possible to optimize the games since these are the HD versions and not the original PS2 games. Who knows if it's possible to optimize these games for handheld and that means more performance dips and battery usage. I'm trying to make sense of this situation, but maybe if the people who have legit complaints should ask Konami or any representatives why the MGS2-3 can't be at 60fps.

@ArcticEcho Yes, because doing crazy flips and jumping off missiles in cutscenes and not in gameplay totally makes sense .

Twin Snakes logic😂

@Agent_P slaps you

@ozwally

Too bad in every other way it’s worse than the PS1 version.

The PS1 version is the definitive version of MGS1. The original music and voice acting takes a dump on The Twin Snakes version.

A ton of MGS’s personality was lost in The Twin Snakes version. Plus the MGS2 mechanics that were added without changing the boss fight routines or Shadow Moses’ layout makes the GameCube version way too easy.

Only thing I feel was really improved was the graphics and that they revamped the fetch quests for the Sniper Rifle and the PAL Card sequences to make them way less annoying.

@russell-marlow I didn't say anything about the logic of the game's writing. Every Metal Gear has really dumb, illogical nonsense in it.

@MirrorFate2

Now i don't know about mgs2's framerate but mgs3 does have sections that run at 60fps (like the survival viewer), but not throughout the whole game, the ps2 couldn't handle running that game at a constant 60fps. In fact, there's a patch that will make the game run at 60, i tried it and it frame dropped like crazy. So, I'm not sure where people are getting there info when they say mgs3 ran at 60fps on ps2. Still it's unfortunate that it wont be 60 on switch.

@Pupuplatter I kept my original copy from release, so no need for an emulator. I prefer original resolutions and forked out for a Sony PVM and the picture quality is sublime. I own all the other main line metal gear solid games, so to see this collection get a half-baked port job on modern consoles is really sad and buying them for Switch to have on the go was main selling point for me. I was also suggesting to the other guy that MGS twin snakes on the isn't worth the money punters are trying to sell it at. Like the games enjoyable, it's not bad, it just not a classic like the original PS1 release is. I'm surprised Konami dropped the ball on this collection considering the Castlevania collection and the Cowabunga collection got the VIP treatment. It's like the Chrono Cross remaster, half-baked and a quick cash grab. Developers should treat there legacy content with respect, especially those games that are getting first time releases in the west.

@russell-marlow indie Devs cost can be prohibited but were talking big Devs games that can be fitted on a cart. Take Witcher 3 they did what they could and fit on one cart with some later updates and DLC. Can be done it's will they.

Im just going to get this on PS5.

@SwitchForce I'm pretty sure CDPR was given a bigger budget from the success of their flagship franchise then how disconnected Konami is when making these enhanced ports. I'm sure there's a hierarchy in place in the company that limits their scope when it comes to the budget and time necessary to make this. Not saying it's low quality collection, but could've been better.

It's a weird trend I see with Japanese developers were they don't go out of their way to make better remasters for these old games like most Western developers do with the likes of these classic FPS remasters and Tomb Raider, and sometimes you get stuff like Sonic Origins and Mario 3D All Stars, where they do the bare minimum.

@ArcticEcho There's a level of grounded-ness that the Metal Gear series has up to a certain extent. It doesn't mean ever game is like Metal Gear Rising. Snake can't do what Raiden does in that game.

And as far as logic is concerned, it's a mix of some logic mixed in with the absurd, but there's at least a normal balance sometimes. This isn't Smash Bros. where Snake can just do ridiculous actions.

LOL at the comments about 30 fps. Who cares! Nintendo is MGS on the go! I cant wait to play!