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Yoshi

Unfortunately, Pikmin is Miyamoto's baby, and as long as he continues to work on Pikmin, story will continue to be among the least of his priorities.

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Gameplay>Story and graphics!

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Octane wrote:

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I was hoping we'd get story DLC at some point too.

No.

Why not? Not like it would be unfair at this point.

Well, there are two reasons; I don't see how they could improve the story in any way, there's a beginning and an end, the story is finished. I never really understood story DLC, even less than other forms of DLC. Indeed, the game had an open ending, like every Pikmin game, but we'll discover what happens next in Pikmin 4.

Also I don't really understand the preference for DLC. I remember , back in the ol' days, when I bought a game, I received the full game. Not like these days. There's plenty of games which have disc-locked content, DLC you need to pay for, or even exclusive DLC. Now I know that is not the case with the Pikmin DLC we have received, but still. I think if developers release a game, it should be finished without any of that DLC nonsense later on. We used to unlock content by gaining skill and achieving certain criteria, now developers just want to see more money.

Personally I think that all forms of DLC should be avoided when necessary to prevent the movement the gaming industry is undergoing right now; more and more DLC. As for Pikmin 3, I don't think that most of this applies to that game. However I still think the game is completely fine the way it is, and doesn't need DLC at all.

The thing is, we have received the full game, as you said. the DLC released thus far has been nothing but adding on cherries to an already delicious (though disappointingly short) cake. Post-release content isn't inherently bad, and Nintendo is one of the few that still treats them as expansion packs rather than the sale of pieces of the game that were removed prior to completion. Like you said, the usual headaches that accompany most DLC aren't present in Pikmin 3, so I see no problem with hoping more comes to the game. As for what they can include? Well the possibilities are there for Olimar and Louie either working together or separately in new areas of the planet, or maybe an exploration of why Louie is "evil" and what he does when he isn't pretending to be Olimar's dumb co-worker. Not to mention the DLC they did release A) Had a free sample, can't get much more consumer friendly than that and B) were like $3 at most for what amounted to hours of additional game time. If they're working on Pikmin 4, then great. If not, then I think more content for the current game would definitely extend the life of the game as well as make these Wii U droughts much more bearable. I agree though that the game is still great the way it is (minus lack of online play). I'm just hoping they can breathe new life into it. Which is why I'm in favor of a universal achievement system for Nintendo, but that's a story for another time

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Spoony_Tech wrote:

Gameplay>Story and graphics!

You summed up Miyamoto quite nicely.

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Funny thing is, they sliced the gameplay ever so slightly for this game in favor of graphics. The game would have definitely been longer if they didn't have to worry about HD.

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Funny thing is, they sliced the gameplay ever so slightly for this game in favor of graphics. The game would have definitely been longer if they didn't have to worry about HD.

Are you talking gameplay or game length? The gameplay is the same as it's always been.

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MasterWario wrote:

Funny thing is, they sliced the gameplay ever so slightly for this game in favor of graphics. The game would have definitely been longer if they didn't have to worry about HD.

Are you talking gameplay or game length? The gameplay is the same as it's always been.

Well, more length would mean more gameplay options, right (i.e. more creatures and settings to interact with)? Or are we just talking about the basic controls (i.e. throw Pikmin, call Pikmin, carry fruit)? Or something else?

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kkslider5552000

He's right probably but less is more sometimes.

And to be honest, the game was already running our of story ideas despite being short-ish so maybe that's for the best?

But at the same time there is a significant chance it would've been a larger or even a better game if it was a late Wii title because HD is more effort and going from SD to HD is a difficult process for devs.

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Spoony_Tech

Well gameplay is totally separate from game length to me. As for the actual gameplay I think and thought it was more then satisfying. I think a lot of people forget the first Pikmin could be beaten in about 5 to 7 hours. With that said I believe Pikmin3 is twice the size so what else can we ask for. Pikmin 2 did the caves trick to make the game seem longer then it really was.

This game lasted me more then long enough and with my attention span I actually finished it unlike most games I start. I also think there is plenty to come back too as well unlike some games where once you beat them it's almost pointless to play through it again for a couple of years.

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MERG said:

If I was only ever able to have Monster Hunter and EO games in the future, I would be a happy man.

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MasterWario

It think I've said before on here a while back; Pikmin 3 is really a great game, but coming from Pikmin 2 which was my favorite childhood game ever, there were a few things that weren't carried over that I missed, that I thought would definitely be included.

I'm glad they upped it to HD as it helps draw in those who are new to the series, and it definitely looked great.

So I'm not really upset with Pikmin 3, but for the longest time I thought it would be a game that doubled my total play time in Pikmin 2. ...And now I think Pikmin 1 might have more total play time than Pikmin 3! Not what I expected at all!

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fair enough but Pikmin 1 is a short game as soon as you know what you're doing. From what I understand at least, I was awful at it when I still had it.

While 2 is my favorite, only barely because the dungeons weren't really that great. Not bad enough to go against the huge amount of content it provided, but not good enough that those parts were on the level of the overworld. And after 3 I think I would appreciate the time limit in the first game way more.

But Pikmin 3 exactly the same except made as a late Wii game instead would very likely have been a better game.

I kinda hope Pikmin 4 goes full Zelda by having a few better designed dungeon areas (maybe like only 1 per area) with maybe some more that are short like the minidungeon areas in some Zeldas, instead of having a decent chunk of randomly generated meh levels.

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I don't know why people say or think they removed the caves/dungeons as they're in there just treated differently. Time still moves as it should and from my play through experience there was quite a few areas in the game that had caves. The whole last area was a cave for crying out loud! I don't mind one bit how they were used here over the last one!

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MERG said:

If I was only ever able to have Monster Hunter and EO games in the future, I would be a happy man.

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When they say they loved the dungeons, they probably mean the challenge associated with them along with the random generation. Even though time stood still, each floor was self contained and you couldn't run back out if you needed more pikmin. It was fun to try and keep all your pikmin alive, not to mention challenging

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jariw

The 3 new Pikmin movies comes both to the Wii U and 3DS eShops.
http://nintendoeverything.com/pikmin-shorts-will-be-released-...

Miyamoto also said earlier that there will be a downloadable Pikmin 3 demo on the eShop.

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Spoony_Tech

I still say retail wise this game is the most fun I've had on the system. I still play this game weekly with my son in multiplayer

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What's the co-op like?

The co-op is almost identical as the 3 single-player mission modes (collecting treasures/killing enemies/beating bosses). I think the only difference between single and co-op missions is that the total number of available astronauts can differ on some missions. The 2 players in co-op splits the screen left/right. At least one of the player needs a wiimote+nunchuck. Single and co-op missions have different high score lists.

To get platinum on a mission, you really need to co-op well (such as keeping to a strategy, borrow pikmins between astronauts at the right moment, etc).

At home, we play co-op with 2 wiimote+nunchuck and place the gamepad on the stand betweepn us, so we both can see the map. When we play Bingo Battle against each other, noone is allowed to see the map.

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Octane

Just an interesting quote from Miyamoto:

''At the same time, we have also prepared a demo version of “Pikmin 3” so anyone who hasn’t played Pikmin can experience its unique joy. Continually launching campaigns after the release of software will lay the groundwork for the next iteration of “Pikmin” in the future.''

Pikmin 4 is coming some day. I'm already looking forward to that day.

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I hope Pikmin 4 will still see a release within the Wii U's lifespan.

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