Good advice too. Thanks
@Alex... no nobody was saying that about the Wii. Read again. Or are you back to strawman arguments? The iOS is different though. That's why it's not in the best games of the year feature for example (see link in response to aviator).

Exactly. This was the point all along and that's the difference between iOS and console gaming.

Well I'm not surprised, but this has appeared this morning:

http://www.t3.com/news/ouya-looking-for-funds-outside-kicksta...

It seems that their timeline might be a bit tight though if they're still looking for funding (assuming that they still NEED some more money, which is likely unless they already had significant backing going in to the Kickstarter) and are wanting to release the console in 8 months. You know, since they don't actually HAVE one yet.

yeah. Its risky. We are going in a loop here. Securities laws were created to prevent such speculation on future endeavors from innocent people and this bypasses that. It is interesting.

What? In your posts following Waltz's long list of iOS games, not once have you brought this up. Rather, you have talked about how crappy an iOS game is due to it being a port, having bad controls or simply a casual game.

Also, saying that all iOS games are for the casual is a massive generalization.
Infinity Blade, Dead Space (iOS), Mass Effect Infiltration, Chaos Rings, Order and Chaos.

There you go. 5 'hardcore' games you wont find on a console.

Read back then if you missed it. The whole point was that these are different genres of games. AnD I said about 10 times that most of the library other than the small ones consists of ports, legacy games and the ones like infinity blade (rare and short). Limited (often crappy) control options included. I hope I don't have to repeat it again ...
Dead space and mass effect are console games. Maybe I should have added 'bad control spinoffs' too for these two.

Yeah, but they all, all 20,000 + game apps on the app store, control bad, Navi.

This guy said so, what with the 300+ games he must personally own and finished. He has more than you and me, remember. He is a genuine authority on the games that are available on the iOS devices. He keeps playing them all just so he can tell the people that own them that they're just imagining that they're playing console experiences and not having trouble with the controls!

He must keep buying them because he's a masochist.

Right forgot about the 50 trillion awesome hardcore games on iOS. Here I just throw a number and say they exist so they must. I can also post a random list of apps. QED.

Of course. It all makes sense now.

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Actually if you had an iPad you would realise I was actually low-balling the number of games on it.

I'm sure you knew there were 38591 (and counting) game apps on the iPad. After all you play so man of them and know so much about them that you can dismiss them all!

I personally own 342 apps, BTW. Now some of those are non-gaming apps, but wow you must spent a lot of money on stuff you hate since you said you have more games than me even. Congrats on being so thoroughly informed and researched on a topic you don't like!

Of course. Just now I finished another AAA game on the iPhone. They are awesome. All these clueless people thinking that iPhones are for angry birds .. ha!!! I bet you they never played Portal, Skyrim, xenoblade Halo and uncharted on the iphone . They don't know what they're missing.

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I know hey! When I want to prove that one console is better than another, I pick random exclusives on that console and pretend that no other games exist too! It's really smart, hey!

So, like, that 3DS totally sucks because it doesn't have Dark Souls on it. Clearly it's a useless console and is only good for bad-control mini games. It doesn't even have Skyrim or Unchared, or Portal or Xenoblade! It's just as useless as the iPhone!

But it gets even worse! The 3DS doesn't have Angry Birds, so it clearly can't play any casual games either!

I know right ? IOS is soooo much better. The list before of random ports and stuff that you cut & pasted without ever playing realllly proved it even though the next posts exposed it and you ignored it.... but hey who cares? I got my AAA games right here on the iPhone. And unlike the consoles it has TOUCh AnD touch controls. There are even rumors to add TOUCH controls to some of the games. I wonder maybe the next update might even add TOUCH controls. So awesome. Can't wait.

What is excqtly wrong with not having buttons. Instead of limiting you it challanges a good developer to think outside the box and choose alternative gameplay choices.

And one of the best games I've player and my gp to relaxation game is a ios game.

Soxkoss how do you feel about platforms such as Xbla and Wiiware.

Totally . Touch controls provide the most Accurate and convenient style of playing. its only one of the reason why iOS is obviously the platform to go when you look for high budgeted games. Its the best. Didn't you hear there are 76543 awesome AAA games? Oh you want me to tell you which? There's a.... you know that.... thing....war stuff wizard something. Look at the list it has hardcore names. Even a Mass effect attempt. Anyway I better listen to the advice I was given and not waste time arguing here with the lolipop. Someone might question my uni degrees. Or my sanity. I'm off to play some AAA games on the iiPhone. Looks at lollipop list.... Hmmmm... played that on WiiWare played that on 3ds played that on WiiWare played that on psn...... hmmm played that 15 years ago with a controller.... played that on WiiWare.... played that on the web.... played that ...with actual controls.
OK then I'll play temple run then. Fun time waster then go play big games on the consoles.

What makes a game hardcore?

As Potter Stewart put it: you know it when you see it. Lollipop sees it in the mobile device known as an iPhone. He must be right. He had a cut & paste irrelevant list after all.

You didn't answer the question? What do you think hardcore gaming is. I already know what ChoCho thinks and I agree with him.

Don't much care to dwell in defining it.

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I consider a hardcore game to be one that you find yourself sad to put down. A game that you connect with. A game that you can play until 3 am without it feeling like a chore. Zelda is a hardcore game. Mario is a hardcore game. Call of Duty is a hardcore game. Any game you can enjoy for hours on end is a hardcore game.

However, some people have made the mistake of saying mature kill-kill-shoot-death games are hardcore. For example: Saints Row, Call of Duty, Gears of War, (the newer) Resident Evil, and Battlefield.

Now let's get back on topic before theblackdragon starts handing out bans