Topic: Nintendo Switch collects dust

This is gonna be a long one. But I wanna vent this out to the Nintendo community. Even if only a few people read this. I never do this sort of thing. But I feel pretty passionate about this.

As a NA Nintendo fan since the mid 90s I feel like Nintendo has gone down the sh*tter. What I mean is Nintendo is not making games for the whole world anymore. Instead they focus on the Japanese market with tons of JRPG's and the Casual/family market with titles like wii sports and modern day equivalent games. Seriously when's the last time you watched a Nintendo direct and 80% of it wasn't filled with JRPG's and indie games?

The SNES, N64, and GCN all had an abundant amount of first party games that catered to the more "hard-core audienxe" not only in Japan but also North America. We had titles like Metroid, F-Zero, Banjo, Goldeneye, Star Fox, Donkey Kong 64, RE4 on the GCN, We even used to get Metal Gear games. Hell even the Casual/family games were factually better from a core gamer perspective. They actually had a nice little skill gap to them. The GCN Mario parties rewarded skill, the old sports games like strikers were 🔥. And it doesn't end there. Look how much they dumbed down titles like Paper Mario, and the current Yoshi games.

I see a lot of emphasis on Indie titles. Now days too. Don't get me wrong. There are some absolute banger indie games. Like undertale. But where the he'll are our 1st party AAA games???. We all know Nintendo doesn't have a very powerful console. But we bought a switch for those amazing 1st party games. So where the hell are they? Think about it. After Odyssey, BOTW, then Smash released. What big block buster title have we gotten since? Maybe Luigi's Mansion 3. But I wouldn't call that a high end AAA game. Animal Crossing? Great Nintendo exclusive. But hardly a core gamer title.

What I'm getting at is we are getting significantly less big titles compared to what we got on the N64 and GameCube. And are getting more and more casual throw away titles. That aren't all that engaging compared to a Metroid Prime, or Paper Mario Thousand Year Door.

And this really sucks. Because we aren't getting 3rd party games on this underpowered device. So Nintendo really needs to crank out more AAA games of their own to keep players playing their console.

Nintendo has always been more of a multi-player oriented company. So why the f*ck do they have an abysmal online service? A phone app to use voice chat. That nobody uses and everyone hates. Smash Ultimale has the worst net code of any fighting game even with a Verizon fios wired connection. Their sub par Mario party finally got online multi-player 2 years after release. We have no way to do party chat on the Nintendo switch. The NES games and SNES games on switch are a joke. The Wii U might have been a bust. But at least you could download N64 games on virtual console since day one. And where are our GameCube games on switch?

Or why is Nintendo re releasing old games so much? How about Pikmin 4 instead of a Pikmin 3 remaster. How about Mario Kart 9. We been playing MK8 since 2014 FFS. How about a new DK Country? They have no problem re releasing all those games. But the hard core gamers REALLY WANT Metroid Prime trilogy and we don't get it lmfao. Seriously. Stop wasting your time re-releasing those games. And build a new better experience instead.

Nintendo shifted away from making powerful consoles capable of playing all 3rd party games with the launch of the Wii. I know this is going to piss people off but I think it's it's truth. Reggie and Satoru Iwata took over a couple years before the launch of the Wii. I think they are the reason for the change in culture. Reggie as the NA president was responsible for relaying to Japan what the NA audience wants. He clearly did not tell Nintendo we want AAA titles like Metroid. Instead he went along with Satoru and Japan and said we like casual family games and have little interest in big budget single player experiences.

I'm still a huge Nintendo fan. I play Dolphin Emulator with my friends over netplay all the time. The only thing I'm looking forward to is this new Metroid and the next Zelda. It just sucks that we have gotten so few big games.

Another day another thread for someone who feels the need to moan. I’m gonna go back to playing now ;p

Mmm, the feels in that post.

@Slowdive no the sad thing is I will also buy the switch pro. Only because I want to play the new Zelda and metroid at the highest fidelity. But I look at Playstation and they are getting a very high volume of big budget exclusives compared to Nintendo. Not to mention all of the 3rd party games are playable. Hence the reason I mostly play my PC. I might just stop buying Nintendo consoles. And just pirate/emulate their games at higher resolutions and at higher framerates. Cause I sure as hell am not buying Nintendo consoles for their "excellent online service" it's just those few big exclusives I have been buying these consoles for.

I would have taken your rant more seriously if you were a regular here but to create account just to rant is ... sad.

@SamusReksMasterChief I'm not recognizing any of this, safe for the indeed rather stupid and cumbersome online part. I can, to some extent forgive Nintendo because contrary to your initial post, Nintendo is NOT some kind of forerunner in this department, so they're basically still dipping their toes into the water.

But, that still isn't an entirely valid excuse, especially not with an online giant like DeNA as their partner in crime.

As for the rest: the Switch has literally thousands of games. And yes, a lot of indies as well, but more than its fair share of triple A western titles as well, unless of course you're one of those misers who doesn't play games like Doom or the Witcher on the Switch because it looks worse than on any of the far bigger and logically more powerful boxes.

I'd say you're simply WAY too picky in what you like and/or don't like, because most of us will find and will have MORE than enough to play on the little hybrid console that could...

I do also have to say that what I find kind of sad, or rather: quite sad, is that you've LITERALLY only just joined this community, and the VERY first thing you do is to post a forum topic to complain... (shakes head)

You know it's a slow year when Xbox has more exclusives scheduled for release.
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2021/01/15/2021-xbox-exclusive-ga...

Let it all out. Don’t bottle it all in

@ThanosReXXX bro I'm not playing doom or Witcher or APEX on the switch. Those games run like a PowerPoint slide show on switch. It's not even the same game. PC or PS/Xbox is where you should be playing those games.

I skimmed most of that but the comment about Nintendo not making games for the world or rather focusing solely on Japan made me pause. That has never ever been their focus. Nintendo made games that were fun. Miyamoto-dono plucked any idea he could think of or tossed over water cooler talk into a game. But there has never been a “ we make games for Japan” mindset. Rather a “we make games for people to have fun with and connect with others” mindset. That those ideas resonate around the world is amazing but not entirely because they set out to make games for Japan or the world. You can have both. You can have games made by a predominately Japanese team steeped in Japanese culture make games that everyone gets and enjoys. Nintendo never stopped doing that.

If you don’t find their current output fun there is a reason for that, but not because Nintendo abandoned the world for their home market. Their business and design philosophy doesn’t resonate with you anymore. Which is ok. But minus the pre Iwata-denka cutthroat practice to business, the game making philosophy to Nintendo is largely unchanged.

Make fun games that as many people as possible can enjoy.

@SamusReksMasterChief Metroid development restarting is a factor. Covid has delayed a lot of things by a year. Botw 2 and Switch hardware revision(a touch more power?) were originally scheduled for late 2020. I am with you on the power thing. I like nintendo AND modern games. It seems ridiculous to need to buy two consoles to avoid missing out on modern games.

The online lack of voice chat seems like a position they took in an effort to market a console as family friendly, to keep kids safe from strangers/creeps/toxicity online.

Wii U's terrible sales made Nintendo much more conservative with their spending. And I've got a baseless theory, that perhaps that's why virtual console got axed. I also think Wii U sales scared off a lot of third party support for for the beginning of the Switch. The expensive game cards are another reason big games are scared to come to the Switch.(granted, lack of power is also a factor). Game card capacity has yet to come down in cost, and so far, it'll never be as cheap as putting games on disks.

Not giving the Switch it's own Mario Kart does feel like neglect. Unfortunately, Mario Kart 8's crazy sales seem to be so good, that Nintendo is holding off on Mario Kart 9. I wish I knew when to expect MK9. It might be next gen console. On the other hand, in some respects, the Switch seems like it was more of Wii U 2.0, which would bolster Nintendo's reasoning to hold off on MK9.

@Ryu_Niiyama Nintendo always made games that lots of people could enjoy. But they also used to have a large collection of more core gamer single player experiences. Those types of games darn near vanished ever since the Wii was launched.

@SamusReksMasterChief Such as? Most of their major single player franchises are still alive now. Most are currently on Switch or have had some entry between switch and wiiu. Actually the wii had a significant amount of single player focused games made by Nintendo.

Or are you mixing 3rd party output into this?

@Ryu_Niiyama ...Yea they're alive. But catered to a very casual audience compared to what they used to be.. When's the last time we got a Paper Mario that had actual depth like Thousand Year door? The new ones are so shallow. The recent Switch Kirby games are brainless platformers now compared to what they used to be. YOSHI games are now made for 5 year Olds, the games are very oversimplified compared to the old yoshi games. Mario Party? I don't think anyone who played the legendary 1-6 Mario parties would say the recent ones hold a candle to. No DK made for the switch. Just a re release. No pikmin. Just a re release. No star Fox. The last one had miyamoto's "brilliant" motion controls and likely killed the franchise. F zero is still dead. Captain Falcon is just a smash character now. You know what I do see a lot of though? Old games that released 10+ years ago getting ported to switch. With the marketing of "now you can play this old ass game portable" wow. So innovative

Ok, I don't care, and no one has cared about "MY GAME IS BETTER THAN HALO" insecurity in like 15 years. But skimming through this thread, I have to address this one thing.

I can understand and even agree with Gamecube. But N64? Really?

Nintendo put out almost nothing on N64. Even ignoring the 2 DK games they made, Rare's own titles were a massive part of N64, that without them Nintendo's lineup is pathetic. Like seriously. You have plenty of Mario titles of course, 2 Zeldas, one Star Fox, one Kirby, a few Pokemon spinoff titles, a few non-Mario sports and racing games, Smash Bros 1. Aside from that though, practically nothing. Earthbound 64 was cancelled, Metroid skipped the console, their new IPs were just sports games and almost nothing else, the entirety of the Disc Drive games were stuck in Japan along with Sin and Punishment. Switch might already have more 1st party games than N64 even if I include the Rare games and almost without any doubt without them.

The last time I watched a Nintendo Direct.

It's a sad day when NintenDoomed returns to revive dead conspiracy and rants. shakes head Wish they had a more opened mind but that was closed off the moment the rants came streaming in paragraphs.

@SamusReksMasterChief Ah. You are saying two different things. Not that the single player games are gone, but that you don’t like the output that Nintendo creates. All of their games are for a “casual” audience because they make games for everyone. They have certainly tried to make games appealing to as many people as possible hence their long-standing gameplay first philosophy but they have never set out to alienate consumers.

The other mentions that get trotted out like fzero (ran its course and tends to sale lukewarm) or starfox (got two games on wiiu and a collaboration on Switch) don’t have numbers to back up revisiting them at the moment. Also Origami King was fantastic so I don’t get the shallow gameplay dig.

As for Yoshi and Kirby they were literally conceived to be easier platformers from the beginning with a focus on collecting. While their difficulties have fluctuated over the years they have maintained a certain level even now. So it goes back to not that they aren’t making games but that they aren’t making games that you like.

So that goes back to what I said before. Their games no longer resonate with you. Which is ok.

As for innovation the changes in artstyles, gameplay mechanics (kirby is almost toe to toe with Mario with genre and gameplay mixing as a franchise), musical direction and controller interfaces are quite refreshing and inspired. Splatoon and ARMS are two of my “how in the heck did they think of that?” type franchises.

The wii gets a lot of odd flack despite being the system that Nintendo either directly went all in on or they paid for other devs to craft unique experiences. But people sit on that blue ocean talking point and run a country mile.

If you are looking for a SNES 5 as in the same old games with a bleeding edge graphics uptick then you will be disappointed. (And that hasn’t worked for them since the SNES and required them to be ruthless from a business perspective.) At which point the ports may be your best bet after all (said in a neutral tone).

However Nintendo has been trying out new ideas to make games fresh for nearly 4 decades and they don’t seem to be stopping anytime soon. Especially since they are on top right now with essentially the little tablet that could. Ok I’m done now.

I do hope you find a system you enjoy.

@Dogorilla Haha, brilliant comment right there, and nail hit straight on the head.

@SamusReksMasterChief Yeah... with that comment right there, you've completely underlined and invalidated your initial comment. Those games run just fine on the Switch, and it's the ONLY place to play them on the go, bar the odd lucky person who can actually run Xcloud on the go.

As for your comment to @Ryu_Niiyama about all the "lazy" re-releases, by which you obviously mean Wii U games, that comment is also complete nonsense. You know full well why these games are there, if you stop to think for a moment. It's NOT because Nintendo is lazy and wants easy money, no it's because these games have cost a ton to develop, and subsequently never saw the needed success and subsequent sales on the Wii U, due to that system failing so hard at the time.

So, logic dictates that you need to get out of ego-mode, consider the REAL world we live in, which doesn't cater to just you, and understand that the Wii U only found its way to core fans for the most part, being left behind by the rest of gaming society, and as such to those gamers, who this time around actually DID fork over the cash to buy a Nintendo console again after having left Nintendo alone for some time (or even for a LONG time), all these games are brand new, because they never played the Wii U versions.

And besides, the Switch versions offer plenty of additional content to still make them worthwhile purchases for plenty of Wii U owners as well. It all depends on how much of a picky person you are or not.

Long story short: your over-exaggeration skills are most definitely second to none, and this community right here is probably not the best place for people like you, because most of us actually like the Switch, faults and shortcomings included...

I’m going back to playing Nintendo Switch, The Best Nintendo Console Since N64 and Super Nintendo!