Topic: Digital Consumerism 2.0

@Stereoman Dude, you complain about the people of this community not being as civil as you remember and then you call them trolls. No... they are not trolls or at least they aren't trolling you right now. They just gave feedback to make your thread easier to understand.

Why are you still complaining? @Masurao responded to your essay properly and pointed out many points in which he agrees and disagrees with you. Don't talk about geting back on track, just do it by answering him and @NEStalgia instead of "analizing" the participants of your thread, which honestly just seems like an excuse to insult them . You are in no place to evaluate them in the first place.

"well thought out argument aka long reply"

By the way, a long reply doesn't guarantee a well thought out argument...

@roy130390
Anything can be analyzed. Something beeing qualified as trolling can mean many things like off topic speak like you did, or ad hominem attacks, or hijacking main threads for personal issues / agendas etc.
Anyway please refrain from personal attacks i will respond in the future if i see more fruitful answers.
Argue about the topic and not against humans.
All of you can do better im pretty sure. People can still be civilized even in 2017.
Also i didnt see long term fixes to this glaring problem in 2017.
Digital distribution is a huge mess and needs a reset and completelly new rethinking, the times have changed drastically gamers and people wont accept anymore the disrespect of companies ...

so long hf discussing ^_^

@Stereoman I never said that their replies couldn't be analized, I said that in my opinion you are in no place to evaluate the quality of other replies when you can't even make a clear thread. You are free to do it though.

Funny, you call others trolls, but ask me to refrain from personal attacks. Tell me, what was my personal attack against you? Why can you attack others but no one can do the same? Say what you want, but calling others "trolls" qualifies as an attack and so does the "evaluation" that clasifies people as trolls, spam and "ad hominems".

Usually when someone calls something "ad hominem", they are capable of explaining the fallacy in the other person's argument. To be fair, I don't see many people saying "ad hominem" in the first place because they don't want to be pretentious, but hey, that's my personal experience. Those "ad hominem attacks" focused on how it wasn't easy to understand the topic of your thread and what you wanted to discuss. I don't see any fallacy in that. I'm starting to see the fun in writing "ad hominem" though.

In order to argue about the topic, you have to argue against humans. You are human... right?

"All of you can do better im pretty sure. People can still be civilized even in 2017."

You should follow your own advice buddy, instead of demanding the best of others and giving a really bad impression. You demanded more participation from people since the views of your thread didn't coincide with the amount of your replies, yet when people explained you the problem, instead of trying to understand their points you took them as personal attacks. Granted, some of them could be more polite, but the point isn't lost just because you felt a little offended.

Yeah, I get it, you know it's 2017. Nice for you.

About the digital distribution... Times have changed but many times people do accept disrespect from companies. They can create forums, discuss it and share their opinions with others but as long as they don't vote with their wallets those opinions that could work as feedback are discarded. I also think that a reset and complete new rethinking it's drastic and that many improvements can be made with the way they are doing things already.

any news on this front? i think about a month passed?

When do people think nintendo will allow local save file backups?
And if they wouldnt allow it in the future, why?
I dont know how other people look at their save files/ game profiles, but for me any platform gets discarded that doesn`t allow local backups.

Thats the great thing about steam and server administration you have so many options. Either you can manage your game servers locally and setup a backup routine manually or welcome steam cloud a let stuff syncronize between several servers / gaming rigs.

Im mainly looking forward to sandbox games wirh servers like minecraft or terraria2, which will hopefully also come to switch. And like gaming worlds were you and your friends did thousand of hours of building time and its impossible to backup? Thats simply not acceptable, especially in a connected world of 2017. Even a cooonection to dropBox or googledrive would be appreciated ...

sry for wall of text again, but this is huge problem.
im serious would u want to lose a 500 hour progress in zelda breath of the wild? i for sure wouldn`t ...
basically the new zelda got 0 playvalue for me even if it were the best game ever invented, since the save file structure is almost as bad as from zelda1 for nes lol.
very anti consumer

TLDR, also this is structured in a way that is almost incoherent stream of consciousness. OP I'm not knocking your attempt at discourse, but you may want to make your post more clear and concise if you want varied responses.

I'm fairly certain you've never played an NES game if you think BotW's save system is in any way that antiquated.

Also, it has been really bizarre seeing so many people complain about fears of losing save files since the Switch came out. I know cloud saving is a thing now, but what's with all of the misplaced paranoia about losing save files? Never heard a peep about it with regard to the 3DS and Wii U, but suddenly people are acting like their consoles are going to randomly explode or something.

@Stereoman The save file structure is not that different from every other Nintendo console. Nintendo will announce it probably in an update randomly without warning. Maybe you should stick to computer gaming if this topic is such a problem. You even said you don't plan to buy the console for a few years so it shouldn't matter to you right now.

@Ralizah Yeah! I was thinking the same thing. The only reason I would think about saving on a cloud is if I am buying a new Switch and want to move my game files across but why would I be getting a new Switch in the first few months of launch? I think it's definitely a bit of paranoia mixed with people looking for problems. For me, all I care about is the games.

@chriiiiiiiiiis Don't get me wrong: cloud saves are great, and I really wish Nintendo would implement something like that. But the amount of concern trolling I've seen on this issue since the launch of the Switch is ludicrous. In the end, I think it's another BS bit of mass hysteria, just like the dock warping nonsense from a few months back. The amount of stupidity that has filled the internet since the launch of the Switch has been STAGGERING.

Nothing irritates me quite as much as that meme where people arbitrarily try to act like Switch accessories are some sort of necessity if you want to enjoy the console. "Well, if you add a case, a screen protector, a Pro controller, a portable battery, etc. to the base price of the Switch, it ends up being quite expensive."

@Stereoman
Your viewpoint is mixed with some interesting and honestly factual "negatives" that Nintendo has perpetrated for a very long time, but you also have a lot of extremely opinionated, subjective statements. So I don't really know where to go with this, but you seem nice enough, so I'll bite.

-The lack of cloud backup in the modern era of gaming is a huge disservice to customers. Valve, Microsoft, and Sony all offer it (although HUGE ASTERISK which I don't see people acknowledging: you ONLY can save and access cloud data on Sony's systems if you pay for PS Plus. This does not get mentioned enough; I don't know why.) I really hope Nintendo offers save backup when it launches its paid online system next year. That will bring them up to par with the other companies (at least with Sony).

-Your initial comment on "lack of 3rd party devs" is subjective and has been talked to death. I will say there is a massive difference between making a statement like "Switch has no 3rd-party support" and "Switch is not getting the big AAA 3rd-party games I want." Just think on that. See the contrast? Now just look at the many games the Switch has right now. Can you still say with a straight face that is has "very bad" 3rd-party support? Because I don't know about you, but my eShop screens show dozens of unique 3rd-party devs without even digging too deep.

-Backward compatibility is not industry standard and not something that consumers have a right to. Buy the legacy systems if you want to play legacy games. My opinion is that BC has less than a negligible impact on how consumers view a console. The "uproar" over its lack is purely an image created by the internet hate machine. Just look at the hilarity at Microsoft: 360 BC continues to expand and internet trolls praise it, but actual data shows that very few consumers use it. Link to report: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/06/backward-compatible-xb...

-Your build quality point is mystifying. Consoles are made out of plastic. Your PS, Xbox controllers don't "creak"? Your phone screen doesn't scratch or break if not protected? Even your mice and keyboards don't degrade and lose effectiveness?

-No removable battery is an ok point. Many people don't like sending away a system, usually because they fear it will take a long time.

-Open developer platform is also not industry standard. Valve and Microsoft offer it, coincidentally both heavily invested in PC gaming. On that note, it seems to me that you want to scrutinize the Switch against the PC, which is... not logical. Consoles are their own space, PC is quite another. PC will always be the "best" gaming platform: limitless power, open platforms galore, numerous input devices, etc. To compare any console to PC is like asking the mouse to take on the lion.

In short, I find your complaints very illogical and flawed, aside from your issues about save data and maybe the removable battery.