Won't the NX be competing with the PS5 and XBox 2?
Or the Vita 2. Or it might be a mid-generation console. compete for the last half of the PS4/XB1 generation and the first half of the PS5/XB2 generation then be replaced. I think Nintendo should consider becoming the mid-generation console, I could see it working well for them.
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
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Fair question. There are multiple directions that they could take that would be gimmicky.
1. It could be something like vitality sensors built into a controller (one-handed), increasing the costs of the controller $20-30. Vitality sensors wouldn't really add anything to traditional game design, third parties wouldn't use it, and Nintendo would only use it in a handful of experiments and QOL software.
2. It's possible to argue that if the NX is built around a haptic, multi-jointed stylus like Novint Falcon that it would be gimmicky. It would give you true force feedback in games but in terms of controls it would just be a form of motion control that requires a desk or coffee table.
3. If the controller is literally just a glove and Wii remote or nunchuck, it would be a gimmick. It would be a gimmick because it would present no new advancement in motion control to reuse the Wii remote or nunchuck again, and they need to introduce a new remote design which does away with the need for the nunchuck by incorporating the analog stick.
4. If they do another touch screen controller-- for all of the same reasons it was a gimmick on WiiU (price, weak hardware, not needed because users already own a better tablet or phone).
5. The fake Fusion concept, in which the new console and portable are packaged together at launch, would be a gimmick. In order for that package to be even as low as $400, the core console hardware would be gimped and possibly just a repackaged WiiU with more RAM. The WiiU and the former attempt at GCN/GBA connectivity have demonstrated with certainty that there is not a significant crossover between Nintendo's portable consumers and their console consumers. They built the WiiU in part to appeal to DS consumers and it has gone down in flames. Nintendo should not attempt this again. Nobody wants to buy both Nintendo's portable and their console in order to correct the slack in software releases on the console. That would be Nintendo running from the core of the problem-- that Iwata sold Rare and didn't replace them, parted with Silicon Knights and didn't replace them, parted with Factor 5 and didn't replace them, reduced the size of Retro, and assumed command of NOA (demoting Reggie). Nintendo didn't have a software problem until Iwata created one by pruning their Western talent.
6. If the NX is an attempt to make a portable with the equivalent power of a console then it will fail worse than WiiU did (see number 5).
7. If the NX is launched with a Wii Fit pad device-- that will be a gimmick.
Fair question. There are multiple directions that they could take that would be gimmicky.
1. It could be something like vitality sensors built into a controller (one-handed), increasing the costs of the controller $20-30. Vitality sensors wouldn't really add anything to traditional game design, third parties wouldn't use it, and Nintendo would only use it in a handful of experiments and QOL software.
2. It's possible to argue that if the NX is built around a haptic, multi-jointed stylus like Novint Falcon that it would be gimmicky. It would give you true force feedback in games but in terms of controls it would just be a form of motion control that requires a desk or coffee table.
3. If the controller is literally just a glove and Wii remote or nunchuck, it would be a gimmick. It would be a gimmick because it would present no new advancement in motion control to reuse the Wii remote or nunchuck again, and they need to introduce a new remote design which does away with the need for the nunchuck by incorporating the analog stick.
4. If they do another touch screen controller-- for all of the same reasons it was a gimmick on WiiU (price, weak hardware, not needed because users already own a better tablet or phone).
5 The fake Fusion concept, in which the new console and portable are packaged together at launch, would be a gimmick. In order for that package to be even as low as $400, the core console hardware would be gimped and possibly just a repackaged WiiU with more RAM.
Most of those are about how the hardware is used and not about the hardware itself. To determine if something is a gimmick then you must use it. To get the full experience of the new hardware you will want to use it under normal conditions (not standing in a store while playing or only playing multiplayer games at a friends house. So you are basically saying you would wait to buy it until the general public determinds if it is a gimmick or not?
Remember, most people claimed the Wii Remote was a gimmick but it really did give us new experiences and was a valuable part of the industry. It was so valuable that Microsoft and Sony wanted to get into that business. Basically, what I am trying to say, keep an open mind about whatever the next systems are, gimmicks are mainly created by people's perception and not the product actually being faulty.
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
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Most of those are about how the hardware is used and not about the hardware itself. To determine if something is a gimmick then you must use it. To get the full experience of the new hardware you will want to use it under normal conditions (not standing in a store while playing or only playing multiplayer games at a friends house. So you are basically saying you would wait to buy it until the general public determinds if it is a gimmick or not?
Remember, most people claimed the Wii Remote was a gimmick but it really did give us new experiences and was a valuable part of the industry. It was so valuable that Microsoft and Sony wanted to get into that business. Basically, what I am trying to say, keep an open mind about whatever the next systems are, gimmicks are mainly created by people's perception and not the product actually being faulty.
Qualifying as a gimmick involves how it affects the pricing, how it holds back investment in the GPU, if it is unneeded and doesn't advance anything in controls, if it only complicates game controls, if it is just being different for the sake of being different as opposed to advancing controls, how it's implemented, and how much/little it is utilized.
The Wii remote was a defining part of the control design of the system. The fact that it's a one-handed controller changes everything. It had flaws in its design but it's not like it was a conga controller or the Kinect (added years after launch and sporting no dedicated controller).
Most of those are about how the hardware is used and not about the hardware itself. To determine if something is a gimmick then you must use it. To get the full experience of the new hardware you will want to use it under normal conditions (not standing in a store while playing or only playing multiplayer games at a friends house. So you are basically saying you would wait to buy it until the general public determinds if it is a gimmick or not?
Remember, most people claimed the Wii Remote was a gimmick but it really did give us new experiences and was a valuable part of the industry. It was so valuable that Microsoft and Sony wanted to get into that business. Basically, what I am trying to say, keep an open mind about whatever the next systems are, gimmicks are mainly created by people's perception and not the product actually being faulty.
Qualifying as a gimmick involves how it affects the pricing, how it holds back investment in the GPU, if it is unneeded and doesn't advance anything in controls, if it only complicates game controls, if it is just being different for the sake of being different as opposed to advancing controls, how it's implemented, and how much/little it is utilized.
The Wii remote was a defining part of the control design of the system. The fact that it's a one-handed controller changes everything. It had flaws in its design but it's not like it was a conga controller or the Kinect (added years after launch and sporting no dedicated controller).
As long as it enhances gameplay, I don't think it should be considered a gimmick. The GamePad is under utilized, but in the games that do use it the experience is really enhanced, I wouldn't consider the GamePad a gimmick. I didn't play any game that was enhanced by the Kinect, so I would could that as a gimmick. The 3D on the 3DS, I am on the fence about. It enhances the experience but it is completely optional, so I don't know if that would be considered a gimmick or not.
If pricing affecting investments in other hardware parts makes something a gimmick then almost everything ever made is a gimmick. Sony and Microsoft wanted to keep their console manufacturing down so they picked parts that weren't top of the line. Gimmicks are hard to define before seeing how they are used, which takes time. Which is why I say, just be mindful of the future.
5. The fake Fusion concept, in which the new console and portable are packaged together at launch, would be a gimmick. In order for that package to be even as low as $400, the core console hardware would be gimped and possibly just a repackaged WiiU with more RAM. The WiiU and the former attempt at GCN/GBA connectivity have demonstrated with certainty that there is not a significant crossover between Nintendo's portable consumers and their console consumers. They built the WiiU in part to appeal to DS consumers and it has gone down in flames. Nintendo should not attempt this again. Nobody wants to buy both Nintendo's portable and their console in order to correct the slack in software releases on the console. That would be Nintendo running from the core of the problem-- that Iwata sold Rare and didn't replace them, parted with Silicon Knights and didn't replace them, parted with Factor 5 and didn't replace them, reduced the size of Retro, and assumed command of NOA (demoting Reggie). Nintendo didn't have a software problem until Iwata created one by pruning their Western talent.
Agreed 100 % never truly understood why Nintendo put into the wilderness their former western talents (Rare and others).
3 things firstly, your asking this on nintendo life, soooo..., secondly it will probably come out in 2017 so there will most likely be ps5 and xbox...um...x or something to compete with it rather than ps4 and xbox one, thirdly definitely i will get it, sorry if i seemed rude, i didn't mean to.
The way I see it the thread is the equivalent of going back to 2009 and asking people if they'll buy a Wii U or a PS3/360. Or at least in the way that the OP has framed it that's what this thread is. The NX could well be, and in many people's mind probably is, a portable device. Either way, running with OPS's logic, I've already been through this value proposition.....
I got a Wii U at launch and it cost a good $100 more than a 360 with Kinect at the time. And at pretty much the same time my niece got a 360 with Kinect as a Christmas present. In that first few months she was playing GTA and Halo while my Wii U was basically just a New SMB U box. Then towards the end of 2013 I got 3D World and Wind Waker HD while she got GTA5 and pulled a copy of Tomb Raider out of the bargain bin. So the Wii U was well behind. But in 2014? I started to get some pretty decent games. Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Bayonetta..... and it was at that point she got a PS4....
So I'm going to argue that a new platform will always be a better value than an established, ageing platform in the long run. Even if it doesn't smash everyone's expectations. This is especially true if you're into their exclusives.
...We don't even know if the NX will be a handheld, console or both(assuming they could do the 2-in-1 thing). It's way too early to ask this question, but just for the sake of this thread, there's a very good chance I'll buy the NX, whatever it may be. I've owned every Nintendo platform since the SNES(also some hardware revisions like GBA SP, DSi, etc. etc.) and never been disappointed.
The PS4 and Xbox One still aren't that appealing to me, especially since I'm really wanting to get a gaming PC or Steam machine for my 3rd party needs. Not too many PS or Xbox exclusives are killer apps for me.
None. I'll do the smart thing and get a PC. Honestly though this is the most redundant thread ever. You know literally nothing about this console, and already some people are defending just because it happens to be being made by Nintendo. Stop being suckers and start judging things by actual merit, not how much you love the company behind it.
None. I'll do the smart thing and get a PC. Honestly though this is the most redundant thread ever. You know literally nothing about this console, and already some people are defending just because it happens to be being made by Nintendo. Stop being suckers and start judging things by actual merit, not how much you love the company behind it.
Well I agree in part because there's a lot we don't know. We don't know:
how much it'll cost
what the launch titles will be
how powerful it is (or not)
what the hardware "hook" is (if any)
if it'll be a portable or a home console
when it'll launch
what it'll launch up against
However, given recent history it would be safe to assume that whatever it is it'll have a bunch of Nintendo's IP. It'll have Kart, Smash, Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing. It'll probably have some combination of Pokemon, Pikmin, Metroid, Star Fox, Splatoon etc depending on what it is and what Nintendo decide to come out with. But it probably won't have a huge amount of third party support. And for some, that's enough. For me that's enough. I'm already going to have my PC but I also love a lot of Nintendo's IP. So whatever it is and however cautious I might want to appear, I know I'm going to end up one at some point.
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