Topic: NX aparantly not as powerful as PS4 rumour. Discussion on good/bad things this could mean.

Then I wonder what Nintendo's situation is besides trying to save their dwindling user base.

Nintendo has two systems they are focusing on. (Sony is not focusing on the Vita at all) They are having consumer confidence in their products dropping and struggling to reverse it. Microsoft and Sony were able to stand out at E3 by announcing limited Backwards Compatibility or games that won't release for over a year. Nintendo focused on games coming out within a year, something that people claimed they wanted, and got torn down. Nintendo has a lot of things to recover from while Sony and Microsoft are going to have smooth sailing for a little. Nintendo is in a different situation than Sony and Microsoft.

Because Nintendo is still living in the past. Well not Nintendo but the big man himself Iwata.

To be fare, the Xbox One isn't as powerful as the PS4. The rumor didn't really say it was a Wii situation....actually, the tweet barely said anything...why are we talking about this, again?

because it is the internet

Even if it was the Wii situation, it would be more powerful than the PS4//XB1. The Wii was 2-3X more powerful than the 6th gen systems.

I think Nintendo is smart enough to parse out the specific interests fans have and what caters to those interests well and what is off base. I also think they are smart enough to realize when some people say they want something, and other people say they don't like it after that something is announced.

I think the big problem is that Nintendo greenlights games like a private indie developer would, with minimal regard for strategizing for a particular market. Sometimes this is good, and we get games like Pandora's Tower or Codename: S.T.E.A.M. which would never fly with EA or Ubisoft. But other times it's bad, and we get games no one ever said they wanted like Metroid: Federation Force or Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer.

What? The Wii was weaker than its competitors by a large margine, and the NX's competitors are going to be the PS4 and Xbox One...and the Steam Machines...and all those other new hardware that I can't even keep track of anymore...

@iKhan: I actually think people have wanted Federation Force and Happy Home Designer. I have heard many people talk about Co-Op Metroid or explaining the universe or Metroid. I have also heard people say decorating their home in Animal Crossing was their favorite part of the game, and in Happy Home Designer you get to design multiple houses. I understand people weren't expecting these but I think people have been kinda asking for these games.

@iKhan: I think Amiibo Festival is a much better example for what you want to convey than Happy Home Designer.

I see the NX as a 9th gen system. It's coming out at least 4 years after the Wii U, one year shy of a typical console lifespan. It may compete with the 8th gen consoles for a year or two, but eventually it's going to be up against the PS5 and Xbox Two.

@Grumblevolcano
I'd say they both work. I think most of the world thought Happy Home Designer was a simple $10-15 eShop game when it was first revealed. It doesn't look like a full retail experience at all.

@DefHalan There are some people who want anything. I've even heard people say that they enjoyed Sonic Boom. It's Nintendo's job to figure out which of these ideas is most pervasive, and the impacts each would have. When it's been 5 years since the last Metroid game (which many people didn't like), a spinoff that doesn't really go with the series' core idea of exploration is going to piss some people off.

I think the key there is that people didn't like it. Nintendo made (or published) the game and they thought it fit with past Metroid games. To have the fan base come back so hard on it, Nintendo needed to re-think Metroid. Federation Force is a way to do 2 things. Explore the Prime series, which a lot of people had grown tired of by the time Other M came out, and explore features "fans" have been asking for. It is also a budget title compared to Other M. If Other M was well received then I think we would have seen a sequel much sooner but because of the backlash from it, Nintendo needed to rethink and possibly not take as big of a risk (or take a bigger risk, depending on how you view Federation Force) on the next game. But Federation Force looks fun to me which I know is an unpopular opinion.

Except I said The Wonderful 101, Wind Waker HD and 3D World launched at about the same time. A three month window is about the same time. It was August, September, September and November. Which I then compared to the Halo collection which came out in November the year after launch for the XBOne. I'm not altering history here you just read what I said in a way that I didn't indent. I assume that's a common thing occurring on this sub-forum in general

Then that's what I get for trusting the release-dates as they are listed on Metacritic

Ryse wasn't a first party title. It was a Microsoft published timed console exclusive. And if you want to broaden out into third party games in general then the Wii U launch lineup was even less sparse. Face it, the Wii U's launch wasn't that much worse than the XBOne, PS4 or 3DS in terms of content. What made it bad was the fact that third parties were bailing and the system wasn't selling. Not content. Relatively speaking.

The tweeter who originally posted that NX wasn't going to be more powerful than PS4 later insinuated that it may be on par or more powerful than the X1. This whole scandal has been crocodile tears. Ask yourselves, are people really going to skip NX because it's only on par with X1 and PS4 when the latter two will remain on the market for up to 4 more years before being replaced (meaning Nintendo can get a full five years from the hardware)?

https://twitter.com/dragonite27/status/617847662348365824

He doesn't insinuate anything there. If nx is a standard home console. It needs to be better than the ps4. Putting something out now that's just on par with it isn't going to win anyone over. And if it's less powerful then they might as well just stop making consoles cause it will sell even worse then the wiiu.
That being said nx probably won't be a standard home console.

If this is the case then that's fine. The problem I had with the original rumour is that by saying it wouldn't be able to "compete on spec" that it would be at most somewhere between the Wii U and XBOne. Which people took to mean that it would be more in-line with the Wii U. If it's closer to the XBOne? Then that's competitive with the PS4 and in-line with the sort of pricepoint Nintendo has been doing with their hardware for a long while.

If it's a Wii U minor revision with new branding? They're wasting their time and they'd be better off just holding out for a bigger revision down the road. If it was a micro-console I'd wonder why on Earth the thing wasn't just a portable system. But on par with the XBOne? That's fine.... and not at all what anyone thought this rumour originally implied.

Here's something I found that's rather interesting. I wouldn't necessarily believe it, but it's interesting, nonetheless.

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/301627476/someone-over-at-2c...

@IceClimbers: I wouldn't believe it either given the source. Still, not far off what I'd argue makes sense for an "under-par" 2016/17 home console. The thing that stands out to me immediately though is the amount of RAM. Even for shared RAM between GPU and CPU that amount is a bit pointless. 8GB? For sure. 12GB? Maybe. 16GB? .... why?

@skywake: No idea. I think the least surprising thing would be that it's ARM based. I could see Nintendo going with an ARM based system.

@IceClimbers: I only question the 16GB of RAM because of how needlessly overkill it is. I mean typically for a "gaming PC" you'd have 8GB of system memory and 2-4GB of graphics memory. That's plenty for a "just gaming at 1080p" machine. And that's on a PC where things generally aren't as optimised and you have various processes running in the background. If you were building a PC for yourself? Why not, it's $100 or so to the ticket price and if you want to why the hell not. For a console? .....