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Wow, this sounds awesome! Didn't pick up the first one at launch, but I'll definitely get this since I heard nothing but good things about the first one. May wait a bit for it to go down in price seeing how cheap the first one is now.
The Warriors series in general seems to be on the decline in the west, with several games not making it over here in recent years (Warriors Orochi Z, Dynasty Warriors Strikeforce 2, Samurai Warriors 3Z, Dynasty Warriors Vs.) and those that do coming in seemingly sloppy form (no 360 port for DW7: XL, despite the original DW7 getting one; no dub for Samurai Warriors Chronicle; no dub and digital only PS3 release for Warriors Orochi 3). I have no idea how these games are doing sales-wise, but they can't be that good if they're taking the bare minimum effort to release the few games that actually do come over here.
I definitely hope this one comes over here (and that they at least take the time to dub it this time), but I'm not holding my breath. I still would have preferred DW Vs., but if this does come over here it would be the next best thing.
The Warriors series in general seems to be on the decline in the west, with several games not making it over here in recent years (Warriors Orochi Z, Dynasty Warriors Strikeforce 2, Samurai Warriors 3Z, Dynasty Warriors Vs.) and those that do coming in seemingly sloppy form (no 360 port for DW7: XL, despite the original DW7 getting one; no dub for Samurai Warriors Chronicle; no dub and digital only PS3 release for Warriors Orochi 3). I have no idea how these games are doing sales-wise, but they can't be that good if they're taking the bare minimum effort to release the few games that actually do come over here.
I definitely hope this one comes over here (and that they at least take the time to dub it this time), but I'm not holding my breath. I still would have preferred DW Vs., but if this does come over here it would be the next best thing.
Just to clarify a few things: 1) The reason they've removed the dubs is because many of the hardcore Warriors fans (as in, the ones that keep this series alive by buying every single one that gets released) can't stand the English voice work. DW7 shipped without an option for a Japanese voice track and it was... controversial. So much so that Tecmo Koei released a free 1.5GB DLC patch to put the Japanese voice track back in.
It's not laziness to not want to waste money (and dubbing is expensive when it's as voice actor heavy as a Warriors game) on something a sizable portion of your most important fans don't want.
2) Warriors Orochi 3 was released on a disc in Europe - where there is a larger fan base for Warriors games. The games sell OK in Europe - Dynasty Warriors 7 debuted in the UK charts top 10.
But yes, the Warriors franchise is focused firmly on Japan, where the games typically release at #1 in the sales charts.
Just to clarify a few things: 1) The reason they've removed the dubs is because many of the hardcore Warriors fans (as in, the ones that keep this series alive by buying every single one that gets released) can't stand the English voice work. DW7 shipped without an option for a Japanese voice track and it was... controversial. So much so that Tecmo Koei released a free 1.5GB DLC patch to put the Japanese voice track back in.
It's not laziness to not want to waste money (and dubbing is expensive when it's as voice actor heavy as a Warriors game) on something a sizable portion of your most important fans don't want.
2) Warriors Orochi 3 was released on a disc in Europe - where there is a larger fan base for Warriors games. The games sell OK in Europe - Dynasty Warriors 7 debuted in the UK charts top 10.
But yes, the Warriors franchise is focused firmly on Japan, where the games typically release at #1 in the sales charts.
My sister and I are both hardcore fans, and we love the English dubs. Yeah they're usually pretty campy, but to me that just adds to the charm of the series. It'd be a shame to get rid of them completely just because some people don't like it (especially when you can just give people the option to choose). And I personally find subs-only annoying since you have to take time away from playing to read what someone is saying rather than just have the ability to hear it.
Never said TK was being lazy in not dubbing the games. I know it's a cost-cutting measure, but it's still one I don't really like. Sure I'll take it if it comes down to getting it like this or not getting it at all, but my personal preference would be for them to dub them like they did in the past. My point was that all the cost-cutting is starting to mar the quality of the series in the West. I know I for one have lowered expectations when it comes to games in this series actually being released over here, and what form they'll be in if they are.
Hopefully this comes west even if DWVS won't. Chronicles was quite well received and apparently sold more than they were expecting so here's hoping.
It is weird though.. I thought the Chronicles team were making DWVS but would this be coming out so soon of that was the case?
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It is weird though.. I thought the Chronicles team were making DWVS but would this be coming out so soon of that was the case?
Omega Force doesn't produce the Samurai Warriors games. It's another internal Tecmo Koei team that licenses the Omega Force engine.
Confusing I know, but that's why TK can churn so many of these games. There's no fewer than three teams working on them
My point was that all the cost-cutting is starting to mar the quality of the series in the West.
What is campy to you is by far the weakest part of the games to other people - I promise you this. The game's quality went up dramatically when they dropped the subbing.
Omega Force doesn't produce the Samurai Warriors games. It's another internal Tecmo Koei team that licenses the Omega Force engine.
Confusing I know, but that's why TK can churn so many of these games. There's no fewer than three teams working on them
For some reason I was under the impression that OF didn't make Vs..... after all they will have been busy with DW Next.... It's probably best not to think too hard about it!
As for dubbing, I don't think the lack on english voices hurt the quality of the first game at all and I don't think dubbing brings in enough of an audience to justify the costs. I'd rather have the games with subs than no games at all.
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What is campy to you is by far the weakest part of the games to other people - I promise you this. The game's quality went up dramatically when they dropped the subbing.
I guess others take these games more seriously than I do, which honestly just seems kinda silly to me. If you want a serious handling of this material then it seems like you should be playing Romance of the Three Kingdoms or Nobunaga's Ambition, not the games where you spin around doing flashy attacks and (in the case of WO) go around fighting demons while travelling through time. There's already a degree of camp native to this series regardless of what language you're playing it in, I just think the English dub enhances it for Western audiences. Thus, it doesn't really seem like a quality issue (it's not like the games are all of a sudden going to start getting better reviews and more people will buy them just because they stopped dubbing them)
I'm really not trying to knock the series or anything, though. It just seems like the series has a been a bit on the decline since its PS2 heyday, and I don't want to see it backslide into obscurity in the West (I don't want it to become like one of those niche RPGs that you only see two copies of on release day and then never see on a store shelf again).
What is campy to you is by far the weakest part of the games to other people - I promise you this. The game's quality went up dramatically when they dropped the subbing.
I guess others take these games more seriously than I do, which honestly just seems kinda silly to me. If you want a serious handling of this material then it seems like you should be playing Romance of the Three Kingdoms or Nobunaga's Ambition, not the games where you spin around doing flashy attacks and (in the case of WO) go around fighting demons while travelling through time. There's already a degree of camp native to this series regardless of what language you're playing it in, I just think the English dub enhances it for Western audiences. Thus, it doesn't really seem like a quality issue (it's not like the games are all of a sudden going to start getting better reviews and more people will buy them just because they stopped dubbing them)
I'm really not trying to knock the series or anything, though. It just seems like the series has a been a bit on the decline since its PS2 heyday, and I don't want to see it backslide into obscurity in the West (I don't want it to become like one of those niche RPGs that you only see two copies of on release day and then never see on a store shelf again).
By that logic, the Avengers movie didn't need good quality actors or director or special effects because the idea of a bunch of dressed-up superheroes is already "camp" enough. For the record, the Japanese voice actors TK gets in are not terrible quality. The only Warriors game that's got the English voice acting down OK was Troy, and that's because it was developed in Canada by English speaking people. Amusingly, the Japanese dub over there is woeful.
You want silly? You should play Capcom's Sengoku Basara. That goes way over the top. The Warriors games have always aimed to hit a balance between providing accurate portrayals of the historical people, and flashy fighting.
The only reason Samurai Warriors is the way it is is because the Japanese are proud of their history. They want tell feel invincible in these games as back then they thought they were chosen by gods to win the wars. They felt like nothing could get in their way of achieving victory and there's no way they would fail.
The only reason Samurai Warriors is the way it is is because the Japanese are proud of their history. They want tell feel invincible in these games as back then they thought they were chosen by gods to win the wars. They felt like nothing could get in their way of achieving victory and there's no way they would fail.
By that logic, the Avengers movie didn't need good quality actors or director or special effects because the idea of a bunch of dressed-up superheroes is already "camp" enough. For the record, the Japanese voice actors TK gets in are not terrible quality. The only Warriors game that's got the English voice acting down OK was Troy, and that's because it was developed in Canada by English speaking people. Amusingly, the Japanese dub over there is woeful.
You want silly? You should play Capcom's Sengoku Basara. That goes way over the top. The Warriors games have always aimed to hit a balance between providing accurate portrayals of the historical people, and flashy fighting.
That's the thing though, the dubs haven't even been bad for the last few games. Especially if you compare them to how were in the earlier games. Most people just want to automatically dismiss them just on the basis of them being dubs, not based on the actual quality of the dub itself. For the most part no dub is going to be as good as the original, but that doesn't mean it can't be quality in its own right.
And sorry, there's no way you're going to convince me this series isn't at least a bit campy. Of course it's not as off the wall crazy as Sengoku Basara, but they are in no way completely historically accurate either. You have playable characters who historically never actually handled a weapon, weapons that are nowhere near realistic, and plenty of fantastical elements (more so in the spin-offs like WO and SF than in the main games, of course). I'm not saying they have no historical accuracy, but in no way are these games comprehensive histories of their respective time periods either.
That's the thing though, the dubs haven't even been bad for the last few games. Especially if you compare them to how were in the earlier games.
They are utterly terrible compared to the Japanese original track though. Perhaps it's just because I understand Japanese.
Of course it's not as off the wall crazy as Sengoku Basara, but they are in no way completely historically accurate either.
No, but it's historically abstracted. That is to say, with the Warriors games (and this goes for Dynasty Warriors, too), they've taken the real histories behind these people, and turned them into traits that allow them to wade into an enemy army of 1000 or so and survive. There is surprisingly little pure fantasy in the games though.
Let me give you an example: Shingen Takeda wields a butterfly fan, correct? That's a pretty strange weapon to have, but in real history, Shingen's most famous battle was going really badly. So badly a couple of enemy soldiers had got into camp. Shingen didn't have time to get a real weapon, but he managed to beat them off with his fan, and the battle started to turn from there. That fan has become emblematic, and therefore it's put into the game.
Kanbei Kuroda was a pretty nasty man, but a tactical genius. Answer? Make him a dark magic using dude.
If you research (proper research, not just Wikipedia) these characters from history you'll realise that, unlike Basara, in the Warriors games almost everything is done for a reason. It's abstracted, but it's based on real history. While you're right to say they're not comprehensive histories of the time periods, they are, largely, correct histories.
This doesn't include Warriors Orochi, obviously, because that's more like The Avengers - bring awesome characters together and you get even more awesome than before.
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