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41. Posted:

well I do think it is DQ since the last DQ remake was 6, but it could still be FF7 too after all sony doesnt own the rights to FF7 anymore then Nintendo owns the rights to the original "3" titles ie 1 , 4, and 6 after all they were published by nintendo in USA just like 7 was by sony in USA, but the true RIGHTS come from the owners of the country of origin.... Japan

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Okay hold on a mo. If the rumor is accurate:

"It’s a remix version of the 7th game of a famous (J)RPG series, and will sell half year later of a spin-off game of the series."

...then this would suggest FF7 will be coming out half a year after Theatrhythm releases, right? Also, seven months after February (Theatrhythm's release month) is September, which is when Nintendo does their press conference before TGS. Cue "dropping a megaton."

There's Dragon Quest spinoffs on the 3DS.

I don't see Final Fantasy VII being remade for a Nintendo console. Sony and Square Enix haven't exactly had a falling out, and you can be sure they would if that happened.

Was thinking it was FF becuase of the Rhythm game but then I realized that 3DS is getting two DQ spin-off games with Slime: Heroes 3 (localized?) and the Dragon quest monsters remake.

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Okay hold on a mo. If the rumor is accurate:

"It’s a remix version of the 7th game of a famous (J)RPG series, and will sell half year later of a spin-off game of the series."

...then this would suggest FF7 will be coming out half a year after Theatrhythm releases, right? Also, seven months after February (Theatrhythm's release month) is September, which is when Nintendo does their press conference before TGS. Cue "dropping a megaton."

There's Dragon Quest spinoffs on the 3DS.

I don't see Final Fantasy VII being remade for a Nintendo console. Sony and Square Enix haven't exactly had a falling out, and you can be sure they would if that happened.

Oh yeah, Dragon Quest Monsters is coming out sometime, right? I dunno, Theatrhythm rings spinoff more than DQM. DQM has had so many instalments that it hardly seems like a spinoff anymore, haha. Well we'll see what happens — if anything.

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44. Posted:

For the 3DS I would rather see DQVII. I love FFVII but I don't see it being on the 3DS and I'd rather see something like that on the Vita or PS3.

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45. Posted:

pixelman wrote:

YellowChocobo wrote:

Okay hold on a mo. If the rumor is accurate:

"It’s a remix version of the 7th game of a famous (J)RPG series, and will sell half year later of a spin-off game of the series."

...then this would suggest FF7 will be coming out half a year after Theatrhythm releases, right? Also, seven months after February (Theatrhythm's release month) is September, which is when Nintendo does their press conference before TGS. Cue "dropping a megaton."

There's Dragon Quest spinoffs on the 3DS.

I don't see Final Fantasy VII being remade for a Nintendo console. Sony and Square Enix haven't exactly had a falling out, and you can be sure they would if that happened.

Oh yeah, Dragon Quest Monsters is coming out sometime, right? I dunno, Theatrhythm rings spinoff more than DQM. DQM has had so many instalments that it hardly seems like a spinoff anymore, haha. Well we'll see what happens — if anything.

There's also a Rocket Slime game on the 3DS. I'd bet my entire game collection that if this happens it's a Dragon Quest remake.

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46. Posted:

Alrighty, evidence for both sides based on the rumor. If anybody comes up with anything else, I'll edit it in.

FF7

  • Its 15th anniversary is next year.
  • Square released 3D remakes of III and IV on the DS. They skipped remaking I and II, so why not V and VI?
  • Theatrhythm could be the spinoff mentioned in the rumor. Half a year after it releases is September, which is when Ninty holds its pre-TGS press conference.
  • A 3DS FF7 remake would be far more of a "megaton" than a DQ7 remake.
  • Square stated last year in March that they'd explore the possibility of a remake. (not much, I know, haha)

DQ7

  • Square's been giving Nintendo systems an absolute ton of DQ love lately.
  • DQ4-6 were remade for DS. 7 is next in line.
  • Two DQ spinoffs are coming out next year, either of which could be the one mentioned in the rumor. Not sure about their release dates.

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A 3DS FF7 remake would be far more of a "megaton" than a DQ7 remake.

Not necessarily so in Japan. It depends on where this rumour originates from. Dragon Quest is the bigger franchise there.

Square released 3D remakes of III and IV on the DS. They skipped remaking I and II, so why not V and VI?

That's not a pattern you can assume helps support a rumour. Especially if you consider that the 3D remakes of III and IV were done by Matrix Software, and Square Enix would not let Matrix have VII.

And also consider that Square Enix has indeed remake I and II, V and VI for Nintendo consoles in the past (GBA). I and II would be too primitive to justify a 3D remake, III was remade because it had the marketing pull behind being the only FF not to have been localised previously. V and VI would have been on the cards for a remake, perhaps, except Matrix decided to go and pursue other, original games.

Square stated last year in March that they'd explore the possibility of a remake. (not much, I know, haha)

And general consensus is that remaking VII would be a project so big, they may as well go make a new Final Fantasy game. Dragon Quest VII would be a far smaller project.

And again, there's a very, very good reason why Final Fantasy VII would not likely hit a Nintendo console: It would piss Sony off.

As a third party publisher with a history in JRPGs, and with the PS3 being the only real option for JRPG publishers, Square Enix can't afford to be slapping Sony in the face. Final Fantasy is, in Sony's mind (and justifiably so), a PlayStation exclusive.

So in conclusion, I'd give far, far more weight to your evidence supporting a Dragon Quest VII port. I'd much rather a port of Dragon Quest VII, personally. In 3D that character design would look awesome.

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48. Posted:

YellowChocobo wrote:

A 3DS FF7 remake would be far more of a "megaton" than a DQ7 remake.

Not necessarily so in Japan. It depends on where this rumour originates from. Dragon Quest is the bigger franchise there.

The guy who posted this rumor posted it in English on an English twitter account. My view is that a DQ7 remake is way more expected than an FF7 one, and when something expected is announced it's not a "megaton." Obviously this is subjective and speculative, but I'm just going by what the guy said.

Square released 3D remakes of III and IV on the DS. They skipped remaking I and II, so why not V and VI?

That's not a pattern you can assume helps support a rumour. Especially if you consider that the 3D remakes of III and IV were done by Matrix Software, and Square Enix would not let Matrix have VII.

And also consider that Square Enix has indeed remake I and II, V and VI for Nintendo consoles in the past (GBA). I and II would be too primitive to justify a 3D remake, III was remade because it had the marketing pull behind being the only FF not to have been localised previously. V and VI would have been on the cards for a remake, perhaps, except Matrix decided to go and pursue other, original games.

I meant the DS remakes were skipped, specifically. 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 had 2D GBA remakes, but those don't factor into my argument. I disagree with you about them not allowing a third party have FF7 (let's just agree to disagree there), but I don't see what's stopping them from doing it internally unless they're just busy.

While we're talking about marketing pulls... how long have people been crying for an FF7 remake? I know everyone wants to say Vita remake next, but with an HD FFX remake in the works I think it's more likely that they'd pull assets from Crisis Core and do FF7 on the 3DS.

Square stated last year in March that they'd explore the possibility of a remake. (not much, I know, haha)

And general consensus is that remaking VII would be a project so big, they may as well go make a new Final Fantasy game. Dragon Quest VII would be a far smaller project.

How exactly? I've done some brief reading about it on Wikipedia, but the main thing that stuck out was its enormous size — it supposedly takes hundreds of hours to just finish the first playthrough without doing sidequests. If they did a quick 2D remake then it would make more sense to do it on the DS instead and encompass a larger audience.

And like I said: pull assets from Crisis Core and make it for the cheapest console to develop for (besides the DS). An FFX HD remake has got to be astronomically more expensive than a remake of a PS1 game for a system with graphics capabilities similar to a PSP.

And again, there's a very, very good reason why Final Fantasy VII would not likely hit a Nintendo console: It would piss Sony off.

As a third party publisher with a history in JRPGs, and with the PS3 being the only real option for JRPG publishers, Square Enix can't afford to be slapping Sony in the face. Final Fantasy is, in Sony's mind (and justifiably so), a PlayStation exclusive.

Sure, but Capcom did it with Monster Hunter. The DS remakes and spinoffs would also indicate that FF is not exclusive to Sony, haha. The 360 version of FF13 would like to say hi too.

I'd much rather a port of Dragon Quest VII, personally. In 3D that character design would look awesome.

Weren't we just talking about DQ7 being cheaper to remake? :3

note: written on my iPad so not as organized as I'd like... I'll touch it up later. Sorry if I missed anything in your edits!

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49. Posted:

While remaking FFVII for 3DS using Crisis Core/Type-0 style is sound I have to doubt it. As much as I have nostalgia for X (my first rpg) i'd much rather see VII get the Vita/PS3 remake.

I doubt the announcement will be in September. The next investor call is somewhere in march right? FFTR and Rocket Slime 3 will be out by then.

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50. Posted:

shingi_70 wrote:

While remaking FFVII for 3DS using Crisis Core/Type-0 style is sound I have to doubt it. As much as I have nostalgia for X (my first rpg) i'd much rather see VII get the Vita/PS3 remake.

I doubt the announcement will be in September. The next investor call is somewhere in march right? FFTR and Rocket Slime 3 will be out by then.

Hopefully this Game uses the power of the 3DS. i'm tired of the big bobble head used in the DS FF's and Bravely default.

Why would you doubt it when FFX is the one getting the fancy treatment? An HD remake would probably miss the 15th anniversary window. Anyway, if they are remaking it, I think the chances are pretty low that they'll use the DS engine when they have the more popular PSP style to work with. :3

I figured when the guy said "next year's meeting" he meant the annual September show, but I guess it could be an investor's meeting, yeah.

lol, speculation is too much fun

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51. Posted:

pixelman wrote:

shingi_70 wrote:

While remaking FFVII for 3DS using Crisis Core/Type-0 style is sound I have to doubt it. As much as I have nostalgia for X (my first rpg) i'd much rather see VII get the Vita/PS3 remake.

I doubt the announcement will be in September. The next investor call is somewhere in march right? FFTR and Rocket Slime 3 will be out by then.

Hopefully this Game uses the power of the 3DS. i'm tired of the big bobble head used in the DS FF's and Bravely default.

Why would you doubt it when FFX is the one getting the fancy treatment? An HD remake would probably miss the 15 th anniversary window. Anyway, if they are remaking it, I think the chances are pretty low that they'll use the DS engine when they have the more popular PSP style to work with. :3

I figured when the guy said "next year's meeting" he meant the annual September show, but I guess it could be an investor's meeting, yeah.

With FFX the assets from the original are still usable. The only thing I could see getting a Major overhaul are the centimatics and the background locations. With FFVII you have to remake the whole game from starch. Most likely the music will be redone and backgrounds won't be pre-rendered. Then you have to take into account how big the game is with all this remade content. The 4gig Limit of the 3DS and Vita would be too small.

I could be wrong as Type-O seems to have that much content on the PSP.

off topic: XIII has some great music.

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52. Posted:

Yeah, what Shingi said.

Especially the bit about XIII's music. I have the 4 disc special edition soundtrack, and it's still my favourite to listen to.

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53. Posted:

shingi_70 wrote:

pixelman wrote:

shingi_70 wrote:

While remaking FFVII for 3DS using Crisis Core/Type-0 style is sound I have to doubt it. As much as I have nostalgia for X (my first rpg) i'd much rather see VII get the Vita/PS3 remake.

I doubt the announcement will be in September. The next investor call is somewhere in march right? FFTR and Rocket Slime 3 will be out by then.

Hopefully this Game uses the power of the 3DS. i'm tired of the big bobble head used in the DS FF's and Bravely default.

Why would you doubt it when FFX is the one getting the fancy treatment? An HD remake would probably miss the 15 th anniversary window. Anyway, if they are remaking it, I think the chances are pretty low that they'll use the DS engine when they have the more popular PSP style to work with. :3

I figured when the guy said "next year's meeting" he meant the annual September show, but I guess it could be an investor's meeting, yeah.

With FFX the assets from the original are still usable. The only thing I could see getting a Major overhaul are the centimatics and the background locations. With FFVII you have to remake the whole game from starch. Most likely the music will be redone and backgrounds won't be pre-rendered. Then you have to take into account how big the game is with all this remade content. The 4gig Limit of the 3DS and Vita would be too small.

I could be wrong as Type-O seems to have that much content on the PSP.

off topic: XIII has some great music.

Ehh YMMV. That'll likely depend on how much of the stuff was only modeled in low-poly. The scenery probably was, and remodeling it would be a fairly big job. It just depends though, I'm not all that familiar with 3D development and different studios will do things different ways. Also remember, assets from Crisis Core/etc are still usable. :3

Anyway, since when was redoing the music atypical for a remake? The only game I can think of where they didn't is Ocarina of Time 3D.

Honestly, the only thing that looks like an abnormally big job is redoing the 2D backgrounds in 3D, and probably the cutscenes. But it'd be faster and cheaper to do on the 3DS than on any other system since you can get away with less of everything.

As far as size goes, isn't Revelations using an 8GB card? That should be more than enough for a handheld game. Compression tricks ftw.

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54. Posted:

Shouldn't a bunch of 3D models and textures be lighter than tons of prerendered backgrounds and movies?

Also, I'd like to think they still have the original 3D files they had to create for the prerendered backgrounds of the original game... But I am not an expert on these things, I'm actually posting this because I am very bored.

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Shouldn't a bunch of 3D models and textures be lighter than tons of prerendered backgrounds and movies?

Mmm that's going to depend on whether the 3D objects (structures, props, items, etc.) can be frequently reused in multiple areas. If each area was completely unique, then a unique image for each area would take up less space. If the cutscenes were rendered in real time like in FF4, then that'd cut down the size needed immensely.

Also, I'd like to think they still have the original 3D files they had to create for the prerendered backgrounds of the original game... But I am not an expert on these things, I'm actually posting this because I am very bored.

I'd be surprised if they didn't still have them. If they do then they could either rerender them as images at a higher resolution and have 2D backgrounds, or just use a script to make the models lower poly (and touch them up some of course) and render the game in 3D.

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56. Posted:

Hey, let's stop arguing about rumors and wait for some real info, hm?

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I want a remake of FFX-2 for the 3DS

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zezzy wrote:

Hey, let's stop arguing about rumors and wait for some real info, hm?

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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-28-any-final-fantas...

A square producer says that if a remake would to happen it would take some things out while adding others.

I know It would be alittle expensive to make depending on what system they remake it for but i'm pretty sure this game would make back its profit and then some. The game itself would sale and that's not even warranting the special educations and merchandise that this produce. One has the art book and soundtrack with a few other things for $80 and another coming with a remastered version of all the Games and movies in the FFVII saga.

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60. Posted:

shingi_70 wrote:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-28-any-final-fantas...

A square producer says that if a remake would to happen it would take some things out while adding others.

I know It would be alittle expensive to make depending on what system they remake it for but i'm pretty sure this game would make back its profit and then some. The game itself would sale and that's not even warranting the special educations and merchandise that this produce. One has the art book and soundtrack with a few other things for $80 and another coming with a remastered version of all the Games and movies in the FFVII saga.

Kitase talked like they're already working on it in some capacity. :3

Anyway yeah, it'd sell like hotcakes. I think it'd be a weird decision to release it on the same system at the same time as another FF remake though, and it'd suck if it missed its 15th anniversary. You never know though.

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