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@MrBlacky your very first comment provided links between the best selling Switch games to the best selling Wii games and you tried to make out that the same franchises on the Switch sell better than those on the Wii. I provided examples proving that this isn’t necessarily the case, and you flew into a hissy fit when I did this.

Please don’t question my memory when YOU brought it up in the first instance.

Sheesh. Some people.

@MrBlacky I strongly suggest you stop swearing at me when all I’m doing is trying to prove logical points. It MAY sell more than Paper Mario, but then again it might not. It needs decent marketing and good reviews for it to happen.

We all want it to be a good game, but it’s pretty foolish suggesting a series that traditionally hasn’t sold well over the years, and who’s past two titles have been poor will sell really well.

@MrBlacky you’re changing the goalposts to fit your argument. There’s no rhyme or reason behind comparing the two consoles. Mario Bros Wii sold 30 million units out of a 100 million user base - i.e a 30% attach rate. New Super Mario Bros U has sold 6.6 million units so far on a console with a 52 million user base - an attachment rate of 12%.

Mario Kart Wii wold 37 million units versus 25 million units sold of MK8 Deluxe, meaning the attachment rate between the two is 37% and 48% in the Switches favour.

There is NO suggestion to say this will sell more than 4 million units. You’re basing assumptions of a series that typically doesn’t sell too great on a two minute trailer reveal. Mario and Rabbids has sold 2 million copies on the Switch, and DKC Tropical Freeze has sold 2.25 million. You’re expecting the game to sell double what both of these titles have, despite the series not being one of Nintendo’s strongest franchises.

@Ludovsky here’s hoping we get a game that’s more true to form - I’m slightly cautious given the fact it’s come out of nowhere, yet is releasing very soon (short production process perhaps?) and the recent games in the series have been more miss than hit.

Either way - won’t have too much longer to wait to see how it’s received across the board. Xenoblade Chronicles to keep me going until then.

@rockodoodle Visually, Colour Splash was really vibrant and quite a pretty game. The writing made me laugh on several occasions too. What let it down for me was the lack of imagination with the cast of characters and the tedious battle system. If Nintendo have listened to the critics of Colour Splash, hopefully both of those are rectified.

@FrowningCoach that’s the Yoshi series all over. Personally, I really enjoyed Crafted World - most of the levels brought in new mechanics that kept it feeling fresh, and trying to find all the collectibles was challenging.
Similarity, one of my favourite Wii games is Kirbys Epic Yarn - extremely easy but calming to play and extremely charming. Sometimes it’s nice to have a game that doesn’t make you want to throw your controller at the wall - a change of pace is welcomed some times!

@Ludovsky all they have to do is nail three things in my opinion - memorable NPCs, decent battle system, and good story. The visuals look great and the writing in the series is usually top notch. Hopefully they can iron out the faults from Colour Splash and give us a memorable game..

@sup3Rmint hoping it’s decent, but on the fence over what’s been shown (cautious owing to the last couple of games) Will pick this up to add to the collection doubtlessly, but can see it being a 7 out of 10 kind of game..

@MrBlacky the Mario and Luigi games (all seven, including 3DS remakes) have lifetime sales of 12m.

12m over consoles such as the DS which had lifetime sales over all its incarnations of about 150m. And you still think this is a popular series of games that every Switch owner will buy?

Leave your bias behind you - it’s not good for the gaming community.

@MrBlacky BS. Links Awakening - 87/100 on Metacritic, one of Nintendo’s most beloved IPs - 4.38m sold. Mario Maker 2 - highly acclaimed, 88/100 on Metacritic - 5.48m sold.

We haven’t had a classic Paper Mario since 1000 Year Door, and unless this comes with masses of acclaim (and lets be honest, it’s looking more like Colour Splash than 1000 Year Door) it’s not pushing those kind of numbers. Truth be told, the Paper Mario series isn’t a big seller.

@DStanton “I don’t want this game as I’ve played the games before. Therefore I think the rumours are false” seems to be the logic.

@mesome713 if the game gets the same treatment as Colour Splash it won’t push anything like those numbers. For comparisons sake, Mario Maker 2 hasn’t pushed the 6 million barrier yet. So how you’re assuming this will come close to those numbers is frankly bewildering.

@Moonlessky one of only a handful of true Wii U exclusives if that’s the case! Selfishly, I’m happy with that - don’t mind games ported over to the Switch, but when they do and include new modes (proper battle mode in MK8 Deluxe), new characters (Pokken), and new stages (Captain Toad), it feels like a bit of a kick in the teeth for me personally, as I supported the Wii U through it’s lifecycle, brought the games and now have ‘inferior’ versions of the Switch counterparts.

@Agramonte up for pre order on the official Nintendo UK store if you’re based over here. Either way, not worth panicking over - it won’t be one that sells out instantly

@Nerdfather1 agreed. Nintendo are my favourite video game company of all time, and are typically my go to console of choice. But to be so blindly biased is bordering on the pathetic. He bashes certain franchises for being repetitive and defends Nintendo when they do the same thing.

As a gamer, I’d be missing out on a TON of great games if I stuck to the one console.

@Nerdfather1 he won’t have it any other way. Never met someone so blinded by fanboy-ism as this kid...

@citizenerased it was beyond tedious, wasn’t it? At least we know it won’t be as drawn out this time, without the Wii U game pad being used as a gimmick in battle mechanics. But still - apprehensive about this one. Hope they’ve learned their lessons from the last few games....

@mesome713 @citizenerased Paper Mario sold 4 million units on the Wii. A console that sold over 100 million units. What makes you think this will sell like hot cakes, other than the fact you’re completely blinded by how much of a fanboy you are?

@Tyranexx played it before? It’s half decent, but nothing too spectacular. About a 7/10 game for me when it released on the Wii U.

@retro_player_77 can’t see Prime 4 getting VR - I mean, as novel as the VR Labo kit is, it was more miss than hit for me as a graphical spectacle. Making the kit and playing the mini games was a good way to kill the time, and occasionally play it for brief periods..

@Henmii PLENTY of people (myself included) would love remastered versions of 64, Sunshine, and the two Galaxy games. And we see remasters all the time - hell Xenoblade Chronicles remaster is out at the end of this month.

Just because YOU don’t want it, doesn’t mean the general public don’t. It would sell millions...

@boxyguy think the biggest worry is how unexpected this was - trailer revealed from nowhere and the game is out in two months; seems to me like it could of been a fairly rushed production to fill a gap in the schedule. Hoping I’m completely wrong, but looks a lot more Colour Splash than 1000 Year Door so far.

@Impaler-D think it falls in the second tier of Nintendo IPs where diehard fans would love to see a new title in the series, but sales figures point elsewhere - would lump F-Zero & Starfox in the same bracket..

@retro_player_77 Won’t have much longer to wait to find out! The Labo side of things has completely quietened down, and with the Switch Lite on the market now, not sure how much they’d promote VR on the Switch now, seeing as they’d have to release an additional headset to accommodate the Lite models.

@TheFullAndy It’s all huff and puff with Microsoft. ‘Most powerful console’ brags mean nothing when there are only a handful of decent exclusives available.

@Henmii reckon the next big reveal will be the rumoured All Stars 2, which I’d totally be happy with!

Not entirely sure how much production would have been done on Prime 4 with them ripping it up and starting from scratch, but can’t wait to see more - imagine them unveiling Prime 4 and to keep fans ticking over until release date they announce a remastered Prime Trilogy to release before then...

@retro_player_77 Eh? Not necessarily. I mean, it’s odd that there’s a nod to Metroid in the trailer, but can’t ever recall a time where Nintendo has plugged an up and coming game in another of its titles.

Might just be that there’s a homage to Nintendo IPs in the game - we might see origami ‘helmets’ showing other Nintendo franchises. No idea what use they’d have being in the game, but we won’t have to wait much longer...

@TheFullAndy the wait for proper next gen reveals has seemed to have gone on for a bit longer than a lot of us were expecting, here’s hoping Sony and Microsoft both pull their fingers out soon - I know Microsoft said they’ll show off first party games in June or July but after last weeks reveal, I’m not anticipating anything jaw dropping.

@Impaler-D And while we’re on a similar topic of rumoured/leaked games, whatever happened to Pikmin 4? It was ‘very close to completion’ in September 2015, then nothing...

@TheFullAndy absolutely. The Microsoft third party reel was dull. And while the Unreal 5 engine looks fantastic, it’s (as you said) a tech demo. Although to be fair, that one wasn’t on Sony as it wasn’t them that dropped the trailer yesterday.

@Impaler-D that, and a forgettable cast of characters. Surely Nintendo realise that they need to put more effort into the ensemble this time around, but haven’t seen much to suggest otherwise from the trailer - typical goomba, koopa troopa, shy guys etc as the enemies. Yawn.

@citizenerased better than being overly optimistic! I didn’t hate Colour Splash (some of the writing was really damn funny), but the dull, unoriginal NPCs and combat system were big turn offs. Not sure they’ve learned their lesson - nothing on the trailer suggests new memorable characters, and IGN described the battle system as “ There will also be a new ring-based battle system that requires both "puzzle-solving skills and a quick wit."

@BulkSlash from IGN - “ There will also be a new ring-based battle system that requires both "puzzle-solving skills and a quick wit."

So, in reply to your comment, I’m not entirely sure we’ll be seeing a return to form. Hope to be proven wrong.

@TheFullAndy C’mon dude. This isn’t a console seller. The fact it’s come from nowhere, and is releasing so soon could be a warning flag (hoping it’s not)

Looks more Colour Splash than 1000 Year Door as well, and we all know how poorly Colour Splash was received. Surely you should have more trepidation.

@mesome713 huge fanboy alert....

@Archius9 from IGN “ There will also be a new ring-based battle system that requires both "puzzle-solving skills and a quick wit."
Can’t they just revert back to a standard battle format?

Not entirely sure why with every new incarnation they’re trying new things with the battle system. The card based battles in Colour Splash really weren’t great, and that’s putting it kindly.

Having just seen the trailer - it looks great stylistically, but have slight concerns that the NPCs will be boring and we’ll have no memorable characters - looks closer to Colour Splash to Thousand Year Door in that respect.

Think long term fans of the series want a memorable cast and a decent battle system and we’ll be happy enough.

Hope this one hasn’t been rushed out the gate to fill a gap in the calendar, which (at present) looks like it could be the case.

@mesome713 Still trolling?!

Where did THIS come from? And releasing in under two months? Yowzers. Good work Nintendo!

@SwitchForce “now that’s graphics at its best”.
Nothing quite as bad as a fanboy. If you think the remastered Xenoblade Chronicles, whilst looking pretty, is ‘graphics at its best’, then you’re a blind fanboy who refuses to look outside Nintendo. And that’s completely sad.

@SwitchForce @ 5:32 - “so with nanite, you have limitless geometry, and with lumen you have fully dynamic lighting and global illumination, all running on a Playstation 5”.

Maybe if you actually bothered watching the video you wouldn’t of made a fool out of yourself.

@SwitchForce what? It's running on a PS5.

@ThanosReXXX I really did say the Unreal 4 engine, huh? Guess that’s proof if ever it were needed that it’s been a long old day. Ten to nine, and think I’m just about ready to get into bed for the night...

@MrBlacky we'll get to that stage one day - we're not too far off it judging by the Unreal 5 tech demo. The environments are life like.
Aside from that, if they can keep making enjoyable games with decent stories, there will always be a market for their first party games.

@Wavey84 I hear you! I mean, I enjoyed all the New Super Mario Bros games to a degree. But my days were they lazy...

@sixrings I didn't detect your sarcasm first time around. As you were...

@sixrings not another one...Yes, graphics look decent on a Switch, but you have to appreciate how much technology is evolving and how beautiful games on next gen consoles will look. Don't be blindly loyal to Nintendo only.

I mean, this is an article comparing graphics from one gen to another. My link showed what the next gen is capable of, and your response was essentially 'we don't need to see that, Switch games look good!'

Talking of graphics, you guys seen the Unreal 5 tech demo running on a PS5? Absolutely draw droppingly beautiful graphics. Watch it on a 4K TV if you can for full effect.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wq0JC7Cs0Vg

@carlos82 the same user who said Just Dance was a steal at 19.99 and that he wants a Madden game on the Switch. And then has the audacity for Street Fighter supposedly being the same game. He’s all over the place.

@Matthew010 no worries - I know your comment was made in the best intentions, so thank you for being as decent as you have been about it.