There seems to be this universal strategy these dying stores flail around with ineffectively. The whole maybe things will be okay if we sell other stuff. It doesn’t seem to work.
@blodermoder They would have called them novel games and had them be distinct from adventure games, though. Yes they do come from adventure games. Ultimately the entire lineage of adventure games comes down several branches of a river flowing from text adventure games and Colossal Cave Adventure, from which the genre name seems ultimately derived. But while that makes all visual novels adventure games I don’t think all adventure games are visual novels. That would be like saying all adventure games are walking simulators because that new distinction evolved out of adventure games as well.
And when it comes to games like Phoenix Wright when they first came out here nobody called them visual novels. In 2005 it was an adventure game. And I still think the term visual novel is more useful in describing gameplay if it was kept to a more narrow grouping just as with walking simulator. Both being adventure games but both being stripped down versions where the primary activity is reading in the former or exploring an environment in the latter.
I’ve accepted that it’s impossible to fight against popular convention, but it’s still a pet peeve that visual novel is just used to denote any kind of adventure or narrative game coming from or influenced by Japan. Effectively it is now to adventure game what JRPG is to RPG. I just think it lumps too many games together to use it this way rather than have it mean what it literally means. A novel with visuals. Aka a mostly non interactive experience outside of maybe some choices. Games with actual mechanics aren’t ever going to be visual novels to me.
Very weird that the game being good or selling well or whatever is even in the conversation because if the game was a flaming train wreck it wouldn’t justify harassment of developers.
Buy it or don’t. Like it or don’t. But that’s never appropriate.
It’s also interesting to me when people care enough to complain endlessly about how much they don’t care. Usually I just ignore a game I find mediocre and move on with my life I don’t post about it every day shouting about how mediocre it is. Usually shows there is something else going on.
I’ll be the one guy who has incredible nostalgia for Quest for Camelot. I got it with my GBC on the same Christmas and I feel like that, Mario Bros. Deluxe, and Pokémon Yellow really define my early memories of the system. I also remember reading about it in Nintendo Power. It’s been many years but I recall it being a fun enough zeldalike. No idea how that comes to be but if we can have random licensed games I’ll nominate the OG Game Boy James Bond. Surprisingly fun little game.
@MARl0 Much like it's still weird to play Symphony of the Night without hearing "Die monster, you don't belong in this world!" I would be confused playing this game without being told "Slaves for fashion dislike bulges."
Some context: I saw a comparison video a fan did when the original trailer came out that showed they're actually bringing the graphics of Klonoa 1 more in line with the original PS1 version. The Wii game's graphics were criticized by many at the time of its release for washing OUT the color of the original while improving the graphics. At least as far as the first game goes I think what they did is more a best of both worlds.
There are not enough clips of Klonoa 2 for me to say one way or the other.
I think the song is fun and fits the level it comes from. Klonoa 2 is an OST of all time for me. One of the few non-Squaresoft games I paid to import from Japan back in the day.
I really like physically collecting Switch games, so in that sense I do end up with a lot of LRG releases.
I do feel they have a lot of legitimate problems. And many of the problems come off worse because I just don't like their vibe. I know that's a pretty vague criticism, maybe even bordering on unfair. That said even in this interview I feel it. When a brand starts mattering more than the product I tune out. That's what it feels like has been increasingly happening. People just buy the LRG stuff because...it's LRG. Does the game matter anymore? If Poop Simulator came on a cartridge would you buy the Collector's Edition that came with a commemorative poop coin? At least to keep it sealed on the shelf. Their game pages don't sell me on the games they sell, even.
I feel the passion from places like Super Rare and Fangamer. Neither is without problems, but...for example I read Super Rare's e-mails they send about the games they release. I feel like they legitimately want to sell me the GAME, not just a box with a brand on it. And that makes all the difference in the world to my perception.
I would like it if the plan was clearer, but I also acknowledge that I don't know what the challenges are for doing that. Yes fan projects and emulators already emulate these games, but that was work done over a very long period of time. Anyone who has used a less stable and established emulator should know it doesn't come out looking like that Day One. Huge slowdown, disappearing textures, physics bugs...all probably worse than the fog being set wrong. And of course Nintendo's offering shouldn't be that rough, they are selling it and are a professional company, but that doesn't change the work behind the scenes needed to get it done and make sure it's right. It's quite possible progress is not regular enough to have a plan.
Also, I've never liked the "games I've never heard of" kind of rhetoric. Every game was a game you never heard of once. Are some of the latter day releases stone cold classics? Maybe not. But that doesn't make them all bad games.
Sure is fun to read so many people not address the topic.
I'm most excited about MUSHA because it's been a hot minute since that's been available anywhere. Most exciting part of Genesis being including in NSO is the chance to get more great shooters. Gaiares please.
One has to wonder where an atmosphere of perpetual victimhood comes from. Certainly not from anyone posting a completely out of left field rant about PC culture in the comments section of the funny haha Monty Python game and everyone saying how daring and bold it is to say such shocking and true things while giving it a bunch of likes and support. Making sure to simultaneously lament how much likes and support the comment will of course never receive because the world is full of degenerates smh.
I don't know why the Nintendo Life comments section is so often a complete trash fire, but man it never ceases to amaze.
More to the point, I think the game looks like goofy fun and I like the use of classic art. Reminds me a bit of Aviary Attorney. I went and watched the eShop trailer and got a couple chuckles already so I think I'm going to have to give it a shot sometime. I'm a bit swamped with adventure games to play on Switch, though. It's not a bad problem to have, of course. I remember when the genre was declared dead not too terribly long ago (it never was). Just another on the long list of things declared dead pre-maturely.
This is probably one of the best reviews I've seen at capturing what the game is like and about. I suppose the question is do you want to play a game primarily about atmosphere and teenagers talking to each other, and if not, maybe this isn't the game for you. It was one of my favorite games of last year. I've bought it twice, once physically, and find myself still thinking about buying it on Switch again.
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Re: Talking Point: The Switch eShop Could Be Great With These Few Tweaks
It is frustrating especially when some things the Nintendo website (in NA) actually does. Like specific sale pages.
Honestly I use DekuDeals a lot for all three console platforms to find stuff out rather than go to their console or web stores.
Re: Retailer GAME Is Reportedly Ending In-Store Pre-Orders
There seems to be this universal strategy these dying stores flail around with ineffectively. The whole maybe things will be okay if we sell other stuff. It doesn’t seem to work.
Re: Best Nintendo Switch Visual Novels
@blodermoder
They would have called them novel games and had them be distinct from adventure games, though. Yes they do come from adventure games. Ultimately the entire lineage of adventure games comes down several branches of a river flowing from text adventure games and Colossal Cave Adventure, from which the genre name seems ultimately derived. But while that makes all visual novels adventure games I don’t think all adventure games are visual novels. That would be like saying all adventure games are walking simulators because that new distinction evolved out of adventure games as well.
And when it comes to games like Phoenix Wright when they first came out here nobody called them visual novels. In 2005 it was an adventure game. And I still think the term visual novel is more useful in describing gameplay if it was kept to a more narrow grouping just as with walking simulator. Both being adventure games but both being stripped down versions where the primary activity is reading in the former or exploring an environment in the latter.
Re: Best Nintendo Switch Visual Novels
I’ve accepted that it’s impossible to fight against popular convention, but it’s still a pet peeve that visual novel is just used to denote any kind of adventure or narrative game coming from or influenced by Japan. Effectively it is now to adventure game what JRPG is to RPG. I just think it lumps too many games together to use it this way rather than have it mean what it literally means. A novel with visuals. Aka a mostly non interactive experience outside of maybe some choices. Games with actual mechanics aren’t ever going to be visual novels to me.
Re: Donkey Kong Country Returns HD Costs $60 On Switch
Some fans are confused that water remains wet.
Re: Hands On: Can Lord Of The Rings Spice Up A Stale Genre With 'Tales Of The Shire'?
Any genre feels stale if you aren’t a fan of it?
Re: 'Tales Of Kenzara: Zau' Director Addresses "Constant Targeted Harassment"
Very weird that the game being good or selling well or whatever is even in the conversation because if the game was a flaming train wreck it wouldn’t justify harassment of developers.
Buy it or don’t. Like it or don’t. But that’s never appropriate.
It’s also interesting to me when people care enough to complain endlessly about how much they don’t care. Usually I just ignore a game I find mediocre and move on with my life I don’t post about it every day shouting about how mediocre it is. Usually shows there is something else going on.
Re: Nintendo Expands Switch Online's Game Boy Color, SNES & NES Library With Four More Games
I’ll be the one guy who has incredible nostalgia for Quest for Camelot. I got it with my GBC on the same Christmas and I feel like that, Mario Bros. Deluxe, and Pokémon Yellow really define my early memories of the system. I also remember reading about it in Nintendo Power. It’s been many years but I recall it being a fun enough zeldalike. No idea how that comes to be but if we can have random licensed games I’ll nominate the OG Game Boy James Bond. Surprisingly fun little game.
Re: Review: Castle Of Shikigami 2 - A Fine Version Of The Best Game In The Bullet-Hell Trilogy
@MARl0
Much like it's still weird to play Symphony of the Night without hearing "Die monster, you don't belong in this world!" I would be confused playing this game without being told "Slaves for fashion dislike bulges."
Re: Here's How The Klonoa Collection Stacks Up Against Wii And PS2 Counterparts
Bizarre to compare it to the Wii Klonoa.
Some context: I saw a comparison video a fan did when the original trailer came out that showed they're actually bringing the graphics of Klonoa 1 more in line with the original PS1 version. The Wii game's graphics were criticized by many at the time of its release for washing OUT the color of the original while improving the graphics. At least as far as the first game goes I think what they did is more a best of both worlds.
There are not enough clips of Klonoa 2 for me to say one way or the other.
I think the song is fun and fits the level it comes from. Klonoa 2 is an OST of all time for me. One of the few non-Squaresoft games I paid to import from Japan back in the day.
Re: Feature: How Limited Run's New Engine Respects The Legacy Of Classic Games
I really like physically collecting Switch games, so in that sense I do end up with a lot of LRG releases.
I do feel they have a lot of legitimate problems. And many of the problems come off worse because I just don't like their vibe. I know that's a pretty vague criticism, maybe even bordering on unfair. That said even in this interview I feel it. When a brand starts mattering more than the product I tune out. That's what it feels like has been increasingly happening. People just buy the LRG stuff because...it's LRG. Does the game matter anymore? If Poop Simulator came on a cartridge would you buy the Collector's Edition that came with a commemorative poop coin? At least to keep it sealed on the shelf. Their game pages don't sell me on the games they sell, even.
I feel the passion from places like Super Rare and Fangamer. Neither is without problems, but...for example I read Super Rare's e-mails they send about the games they release. I feel like they legitimately want to sell me the GAME, not just a box with a brand on it. And that makes all the difference in the world to my perception.
Re: Talking Point: Is It Ever A Good Idea To Start At 'The Beginning' Of Series Like Zelda Or Dragon Quest?
If you follow all the advice in this comments section simultaneously you will arrive at the true answer:
Don't play any video games at all.
In all seriousness the best entry point is the game you feel like playing. That's it.
Re: Former Nintendo Employee Admits He's Frustrated With Switch Online
I would like it if the plan was clearer, but I also acknowledge that I don't know what the challenges are for doing that. Yes fan projects and emulators already emulate these games, but that was work done over a very long period of time. Anyone who has used a less stable and established emulator should know it doesn't come out looking like that Day One. Huge slowdown, disappearing textures, physics bugs...all probably worse than the fog being set wrong. And of course Nintendo's offering shouldn't be that rough, they are selling it and are a professional company, but that doesn't change the work behind the scenes needed to get it done and make sure it's right. It's quite possible progress is not regular enough to have a plan.
Also, I've never liked the "games I've never heard of" kind of rhetoric. Every game was a game you never heard of once. Are some of the latter day releases stone cold classics? Maybe not. But that doesn't make them all bad games.
Re: Poll: Which Sega Genesis / Mega Drive Games Should You Play First Via Nintendo Switch Online?
Sure is fun to read so many people not address the topic.
I'm most excited about MUSHA because it's been a hot minute since that's been available anywhere. Most exciting part of Genesis being including in NSO is the chance to get more great shooters. Gaiares please.
Re: Mini Review: The Procession To Calvary - An Absurdist Point-And-Click Quest That Will Split Your Sides
One has to wonder where an atmosphere of perpetual victimhood comes from. Certainly not from anyone posting a completely out of left field rant about PC culture in the comments section of the funny haha Monty Python game and everyone saying how daring and bold it is to say such shocking and true things while giving it a bunch of likes and support. Making sure to simultaneously lament how much likes and support the comment will of course never receive because the world is full of degenerates smh.
I don't know why the Nintendo Life comments section is so often a complete trash fire, but man it never ceases to amaze.
More to the point, I think the game looks like goofy fun and I like the use of classic art. Reminds me a bit of Aviary Attorney. I went and watched the eShop trailer and got a couple chuckles already so I think I'm going to have to give it a shot sometime. I'm a bit swamped with adventure games to play on Switch, though. It's not a bad problem to have, of course. I remember when the genre was declared dead not too terribly long ago (it never was). Just another on the long list of things declared dead pre-maturely.
Re: Review: Oxenfree (Switch eShop)
This is probably one of the best reviews I've seen at capturing what the game is like and about.
I suppose the question is do you want to play a game primarily about atmosphere and teenagers talking to each other, and if not, maybe this isn't the game for you.
It was one of my favorite games of last year. I've bought it twice, once physically, and find myself still thinking about buying it on Switch again.
Re: Review: Alien Crush Returns (WiiWare)
Not a fan of the music, but the game is fun. I'm depressed there wasn't something more like the original game.