I have not put my Switch in the dock in over 2 weeks. I have always been a PC gamer and playing games on a TV feels weird to me. The Switch will be 90% a handheld for me always. Once in a blue moon I will dock it to play on TV but that will be just a few times a year.
@Anti-Matter That's fine. I love my consoles too. But I also love my PC with GTX 1070. My problem is people who have to chose one and bash the other and even worse than that is people with a total lack of understanding of PCs all together!
I know this is going off topic but when I see people like BlueOcean say things like it "cost you thousands of euros/dollars" to build a PC better than an Xbox One X it really bothers me. And honestly I blame Apple for giving kids such uniformed impressions of modern electronics. They are the ones that started making laptops, phones, and tablets where you couldn't even remove the battery or add a SD card. This makes people think there is some kind of magic going on inside and its unthinkable to ever open or alter it. This is the only explanation I can think of as to why kids don't understand how easy and cheap it is to build or upgrade a PC with a good video card that will far outperform a "secret, unopenable box running magic inside" ...console. (sadly rolls eyes).
@BlueOcean A GTX 1070 (or even a 1060) in pretty much any PC with a PCI-e slot will way way out perform an Xbox 1 and PS4. Even if the CPU and RAM are just average. PC gaming does not cost that much and will last much longer than a console. There is no comparing a console to PC. PC will always win.
I bought this console because they were hard to get. My plan was to play Zelda a little and resell it for a small profit. Because of the portability I have found it to be a life changer in regards to gaming. I love that I can play it on the go, in the subway, on breaks at work and in home in the dock. I have no plans to sell it now and am looking forward to all the games coming out soon!
@ThanosReXXX Ha yeah. I'm not sure i would be too upset if games I bought digitally (if it would have been possible back then) on original Xbox were no longer available. I see that as a moot point 10 years out. And if I really wanted to play Spaltoon 2 in 2027 I'm sure I could pretty darn cheaply one way or another. But chances are I would be a lot more interested in Splatoon 9 by then.
I can give you another positive example of digital. I bought the Bioshock trilogy bundle a year or two ago on Steam for a very good price, like $29 or something. Earlier this year when they came out with the remastered version of those games they gave them for FREE to all Steam users who owned them. I think they were charging full price for people who didn't. So its the opposite of losing games and functionality, you can actually get upgrades for free sometimes.
I'm not sure that's the kind of think Nintendo would ever do... but they should.
I'm making the educated guess from this - "Developers will tend to use the game card best suited for their product. So if your game clocks in at 3GB it would be stupid to ship on anything bigger than a 4GB game card. While the actual cost of the varying game cards is not public knowledge, it is known in industry circles that the price of Nintendo providing an 8GB game card (with associated packaging costs on top) to a third-party publisher is roughly the same as the costs which Microsoft and Sony charge for a Xbox One and PS4 Blu-Ray discs (again, including platform fee and packaging costs). 8GB is therefore "the sweet spot" for third parties, as it means they can sell at a cost which matches the Sony and Microsoft versions, in the case of multi-format releases."
But even if they sold games on 4 - 8GB carts that would not be unheard of. LA Noire, GTA V, Forza 6 / GranTorismo 5 and several other games all came on 4 disks on 360 and PS3.
@Priceless_Spork Well if there is a compatibility issue with Windows 10 that's a different matter. But yes I'm sure games on Steam will ALWAYS run. They never cut access. You own it forever just as if you had the physical copy. You may need Win 7 or something but that has nothing to do with the license or Steam.
@ThanosReXXX As far as I know even if a game maker stops support and sales of a game due to license changes your digital copy will continue to work ... forever. I can give you 2 examples of this. Dirt 2 and Alan Wake. Both can no longer legally be sold but will always be perfectly playable in single player mode from Steam. No matter how many times you delete it and reinstall it. You can install it on a PC 10 years from now and it will still work.
@Anti-Matter Well that is fine but you should then understand you are making statements that lack the knowledge of the 2 biggest and longest running game platforms in the history of gaming. Multiple disks is/was a common and routine practice for game makers and gammers all around that world.
@DerangedSpaniard That is what I have been saying. Virtually all games that came out for 360/PS3 in the final 2 years were on multiple disks. So why not just put big games on multiple cartridges for people who won't just download them? That worked for years and years on the two biggest consoles in the world.
@Anti-Matter So you never had a Xbox 360 or PS3 with a game that came on multiple disks? Almost every game in the last 2 years of life on those systems were on multiple disks. This is very normal and almost everyone on the forum has owned games that came on multiple disks.
@Anti-Matter I'm a collector too. I can open steam and look at my collection of 170 games anytime I want. I don't get this need to have dusty plastic boxes sitting around.
As primarily a PC gammer who owns more than 170 games on Steam I don't understand why people still want physical. They should have just given the Switch a lot more internal memory (like 128GB or more) with an additional 2 micro SD slots (if that's possible) and just made ALL games digital downloads. If you run out of room just delete a game as it will always be re-downloadable from your digital library. This seems silly to me.
I was very excited about this game when it first came out and pre-ordered in for 360. While it was OK I eventually found it boring and never even finished it. Considering I already paid $60 for this game once in my life there is no way I would ever pay more than $19.99 on Switch or any other platform. No thanks.
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Re: Feature: The Nintendo Switch Games That Could Work In VR
VR doesn't even look that good on a 1440p Pixel or Samsung phone. It would be basically unplayable on the 720p Switch screen. This is just a gimmick.
Re: Critically Acclaimed Title, Inside, Is Coming to the Nintendo Switch
Too bad I already bought it for PC and haven't finished it yet.
Re: Credit Suisse Forecasts 130 Million Nintendo Switch Sales By 2022
I have not put my Switch in the dock in over 2 weeks. I have always been a PC gamer and playing games on a TV feels weird to me. The Switch will be 90% a handheld for me always. Once in a blue moon I will dock it to play on TV but that will be just a few times a year.
Re: Poll: Six Months of the Switch - What Do You Think of Nintendo's Console Hybrid?
@Anti-Matter That's fine. I love my consoles too. But I also love my PC with GTX 1070. My problem is people who have to chose one and bash the other and even worse than that is people with a total lack of understanding of PCs all together!
Re: Poll: Six Months of the Switch - What Do You Think of Nintendo's Console Hybrid?
I know this is going off topic but when I see people like BlueOcean say things like it "cost you thousands of euros/dollars" to build a PC better than an Xbox One X it really bothers me. And honestly I blame Apple for giving kids such uniformed impressions of modern electronics. They are the ones that started making laptops, phones, and tablets where you couldn't even remove the battery or add a SD card. This makes people think there is some kind of magic going on inside and its unthinkable to ever open or alter it. This is the only explanation I can think of as to why kids don't understand how easy and cheap it is to build or upgrade a PC with a good video card that will far outperform a "secret, unopenable box running magic inside" ...console. (sadly rolls eyes).
Re: Poll: Six Months of the Switch - What Do You Think of Nintendo's Console Hybrid?
@BlueOcean Huh?? Read this - http://www.pcgamer.com/heres-how-microsofts-xbox-one-x-compares-to-a-pc/
The Xbox One X GPU is not even as good as a $260 GTX 1060. Its equal to a Radeon 580 which is a pretty lame GPU - https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
Where on earth did you get the idea that it was something really powerful??!
Re: Poll: Six Months of the Switch - What Do You Think of Nintendo's Console Hybrid?
@BlueOcean A GTX 1070 (or even a 1060) in pretty much any PC with a PCI-e slot will way way out perform an Xbox 1 and PS4. Even if the CPU and RAM are just average. PC gaming does not cost that much and will last much longer than a console. There is no comparing a console to PC. PC will always win.
Re: Poll: Six Months of the Switch - What Do You Think of Nintendo's Console Hybrid?
I bought this console because they were hard to get. My plan was to play Zelda a little and resell it for a small profit. Because of the portability I have found it to be a life changer in regards to gaming. I love that I can play it on the go, in the subway, on breaks at work and in home in the dock. I have no plans to sell it now and am looking forward to all the games coming out soon!
Re: Feature: Exploring The "Switch Tax" And Why Nintendo Was Right to Use Game Cards
@ThanosReXXX Ha yeah. I'm not sure i would be too upset if games I bought digitally (if it would have been possible back then) on original Xbox were no longer available. I see that as a moot point 10 years out. And if I really wanted to play Spaltoon 2 in 2027 I'm sure I could pretty darn cheaply one way or another. But chances are I would be a lot more interested in Splatoon 9 by then.
Re: Feature: Exploring The "Switch Tax" And Why Nintendo Was Right to Use Game Cards
@greengecko007
It shows all the play stations ... did you even look at it?
Re: Feature: Exploring The "Switch Tax" And Why Nintendo Was Right to Use Game Cards
@greengecko007
Here is the list.. on all platforms. Enjoy - https://www.giantbomb.com/multiple-discs/3015-1209/games/
Edit - Here is a list just for PSx - http://gaming.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_video_games_with_multiple_discs
Re: Feature: Exploring The "Switch Tax" And Why Nintendo Was Right to Use Game Cards
@ThanosReXXX
I can give you another positive example of digital. I bought the Bioshock trilogy bundle a year or two ago on Steam for a very good price, like $29 or something. Earlier this year when they came out with the remastered version of those games they gave them for FREE to all Steam users who owned them. I think they were charging full price for people who didn't. So its the opposite of losing games and functionality, you can actually get upgrades for free sometimes.
I'm not sure that's the kind of think Nintendo would ever do... but they should.
Re: Feature: Exploring The "Switch Tax" And Why Nintendo Was Right to Use Game Cards
@electrolite77
I'm making the educated guess from this -
"Developers will tend to use the game card best suited for their product. So if your game clocks in at 3GB it would be stupid to ship on anything bigger than a 4GB game card. While the actual cost of the varying game cards is not public knowledge, it is known in industry circles that the price of Nintendo providing an 8GB game card (with associated packaging costs on top) to a third-party publisher is roughly the same as the costs which Microsoft and Sony charge for a Xbox One and PS4 Blu-Ray discs (again, including platform fee and packaging costs). 8GB is therefore "the sweet spot" for third parties, as it means they can sell at a cost which matches the Sony and Microsoft versions, in the case of multi-format releases."
But even if they sold games on 4 - 8GB carts that would not be unheard of. LA Noire, GTA V, Forza 6 / GranTorismo 5 and several other games all came on 4 disks on 360 and PS3.
Re: Feature: Exploring The "Switch Tax" And Why Nintendo Was Right to Use Game Cards
@Priceless_Spork Well if there is a compatibility issue with Windows 10 that's a different matter. But yes I'm sure games on Steam will ALWAYS run. They never cut access. You own it forever just as if you had the physical copy. You may need Win 7 or something but that has nothing to do with the license or Steam.
Re: Feature: Exploring The "Switch Tax" And Why Nintendo Was Right to Use Game Cards
@ThanosReXXX As far as I know even if a game maker stops support and sales of a game due to license changes your digital copy will continue to work ... forever. I can give you 2 examples of this. Dirt 2 and Alan Wake. Both can no longer legally be sold but will always be perfectly playable in single player mode from Steam. No matter how many times you delete it and reinstall it. You can install it on a PC 10 years from now and it will still work.
Re: Feature: Exploring The "Switch Tax" And Why Nintendo Was Right to Use Game Cards
@Anti-Matter Well that is fine but you should then understand you are making statements that lack the knowledge of the 2 biggest and longest running game platforms in the history of gaming. Multiple disks is/was a common and routine practice for game makers and gammers all around that world.
Re: Feature: Exploring The "Switch Tax" And Why Nintendo Was Right to Use Game Cards
@DerangedSpaniard That is what I have been saying. Virtually all games that came out for 360/PS3 in the final 2 years were on multiple disks. So why not just put big games on multiple cartridges for people who won't just download them? That worked for years and years on the two biggest consoles in the world.
Re: Feature: Exploring The "Switch Tax" And Why Nintendo Was Right to Use Game Cards
@Anti-Matter So you never had a PS3 either?? Everyone is used to games on multiple disks. You act like its some crazy idea.
Re: Feature: Exploring The "Switch Tax" And Why Nintendo Was Right to Use Game Cards
@MrKai I do download. I'm anti physical on everything.
Re: Feature: Exploring The "Switch Tax" And Why Nintendo Was Right to Use Game Cards
@Anti-Matter So you never had a Xbox 360 or PS3 with a game that came on multiple disks? Almost every game in the last 2 years of life on those systems were on multiple disks. This is very normal and almost everyone on the forum has owned games that came on multiple disks.
Re: Feature: Exploring The "Switch Tax" And Why Nintendo Was Right to Use Game Cards
@Anti-Matter I'm a collector too. I can open steam and look at my collection of 170 games anytime I want. I don't get this need to have dusty plastic boxes sitting around.
Re: Feature: Exploring The "Switch Tax" And Why Nintendo Was Right to Use Game Cards
@Anti-Matter No because the price of 2 x 16GB carts is way, way lower than 1 x 32GB card.
Re: Feature: Exploring The "Switch Tax" And Why Nintendo Was Right to Use Game Cards
Why not put the games on 2 or 3 cartridges? Plenty of games in the 360 / PS3 generation came on multiple disks.
Re: Feature: Exploring The "Switch Tax" And Why Nintendo Was Right to Use Game Cards
As primarily a PC gammer who owns more than 170 games on Steam I don't understand why people still want physical. They should have just given the Switch a lot more internal memory (like 128GB or more) with an additional 2 micro SD slots (if that's possible) and just made ALL games digital downloads. If you run out of room just delete a game as it will always be re-downloadable from your digital library. This seems silly to me.
Re: L.A. Noire Is The Latest Game To Fall Foul Of The Dreaded "Switch Tax"
I was very excited about this game when it first came out and pre-ordered in for 360. While it was OK I eventually found it boring and never even finished it. Considering I already paid $60 for this game once in my life there is no way I would ever pay more than $19.99 on Switch or any other platform. No thanks.