Zelda: Breath Of The Wild Multiplayer Mod YouTube Videos Are Getting Copyright Strikes

This is extremely petty. The fact that even Croton's videos got taken down, despite the fact that he made no modifications to his game, is just ridiculous.

The list shows "Claimed by Nintendo USA" and "Nintendo JP". Last I checked, Nintendo used IDs such as "Nintendo of America Inc" and other more unique/descriptive IDs. I think PointCrow and others got targeted by trolls, much like some from a few weeks ago got hit by someone using the ID "Nintendo".

Nintendo is just protecting thier IP. They had it coming and should be erased from existence for daring to touch a nintendo product.

Have I appeased you Nintendo overlords?

Outlier of the supposed "challenge run" aside (can't verify whether it was true), the remaining content was about modded content. Unfortunately, PointCrow drew the public eye with the multiplayer mod announcement (especially with the claim he not only offered a bounty but provided funding for the team), which also attracted Nintendo's attention. The fact he deliberately funded an unofficial mod and released it is their issue, and the fact that (as the sole owner of the mod) he has directly profited off it through content creation is the reason their "attacks" have targeted that side of his platform. From there, they've seen the other mods he's similarly promoted and attacked them as well.

In essence, his decision to attempt to further enhance the game he's most known for has now ruined it for everyone, an (obviously unintentional) selfish choice.

Nintendo being Nintendo protecting their IP

When will people learn? Oh wait, they won't. They're focused on making money sitting on their butts making YouTube videos. Why can't y'all get a real job

Shame people are doing this basically because Nintendo doesn't want you using their IP.

Nintendo games aren't open source, pointcrow makes a lot of money with modified nintendo products. He isn't a victim. He isn't following nintendo guidelines. This is a pathetic cry out cause he got caught. Good luck with that lawyers you have, no way to win that.

@KingBowser Do you consider acting a real job? Or any other job involving entertaining people and getting paid for it? Because this is also that

@_fatto_katto_ Nintendo doesn’t follow their guidelines, they just take down things they don’t like.

I'm curious if streaming a modded game is a different copyright infringement from streaming a game unmodded. Feels like it would be the same thing.

@BabyYoda71 Mods have never been supported by nintendo, this is not the first time i see a youtuber crying out for being sanctioned for playing mods. He was playing with fire and he knows it. Also there's monetization involved.

all the hate Nintendo gets is 1000% justified because they deserve it with petty crap like this

They even took down videos of normal un-modded gameplay, how petty.

When will people learn their lesson and stop modifying Nintendo games? Probably never. And modifying would be one thing, they also go a step further and monetize it as YouTube content.

Nintendo is so petty theres reason why I find it hard to give them my money they get angry when you do pirate the games but they don't give much choices to put it on eshop on switch.

Now they take down videos just because they don't like mods. I give Sega this at least they ain't strict with the fanbase but Nintendo acts ridiculous.

@_fatto_katto_ Wouldn't be the first time he acted like he's the victim. He's the person who basically made the statement " 'I wanted Person A to win' is the exact same as 'I wanted Person B to lose' " after all. The outcome may indeed be the same but the intention isn't
(Btw he was Person B in that scenario)

@UltimateOtaku91 Possibly automatically claimed or based on reports, if it's normal gameplay then the creator can request the takedown to be removed and they will win the case.

@Anti-Matter The exact opposite is true. Modding is showing the utmost respect for the creators of the original game. It's done by people who love the original game and want to add their own ideas to it, driven by their passion for it. It's not an issue of ego, it's an issue of restricting the player's creativity. If people purchase a game, they have a right to do with it whatever they want, obviously outside of reselling or copying code, which these mods have never done. There is no reason for Nintendo to attack these people outside of their outdated policies and ideals.

You might always love Nintendo but never forget that they will always hate you.

Taking down modded gameplay I get. I don't like it but I get it. The regular old retail footage though? That's a bit too far.

But then again, it's Nintendo. Nintendo and the internet do not go well together.

@Anti-Matter
Modding is just taking the game in a way that you want. It's not disrespecting the creator, it's taking their work and making it a bit better to suit your tastes.

@StarPoint
But for me it is not.
I have different point of view.

@Gamergirl94 Sega threatens legal action if you stream Persona passed a certain point.

Altus/Segas guidelines are way more aggressive than Nintendos.

On the convo though, seems to be something this YouTuber isn’t mentioning, namely the ad rev he was making off of this. This also encourages pirating the game. Whether it’s old, or everyone has bought it. Someone out there is going to pirate it to play this way

@Marioman2023
Imagine when somebody modded a kids game into disgusting rated M game just for the sake of modder ego, I called it very disrespectful attempt.
Those modder should be punished for their actions.

@KingBowser Dood, Nintendo literally has a page on their website telling us the do's and don't when it comes to uploading videos of their games. How is that them "Not allowing people to use their IP's"?

@StarPoint Buying the product doesn't mean you can or are allowed to modified it. The product has IP and it's protected legally so if you modified something you will be in problems, that will happen with almost every not open-source software. And also let's no act like pointcrow didn't make any money from his mods, yeah, he don't directly sell it but youtube monetization of his videos playing the mods gives him a lot of money... that's the kind of pa$$ion we are talking here.

@Anti-Matter "disrespect the creator of the games Play the games just the way it is"

Says the guy who constantly changes his clock to speed up his Animal Crossing games. That is probably the most disrespectful thing you can do in a game, it's borderline cheating. 😂

@StarPoint Err..sorry to say but Croton's channel does have mods.
His "Turning Breath of the Wild into an RPG" is about a mod.

What Nintendo is doing is awful, but let's not ignore how terrible Youtube is as a middleman in this situation.

Their policies are based on "Guilty until proven innocent". I think Youtube itself has a lot to blame because they are a terrible middleman in these situations. They only hear one side of the argument, this being the big corporation that is Nintendo, and is willing to throw their content creators under the bus to satisfy their demands.

Even though I doubt Nintendo's and Youtube's relationship would hardly be damaged if they simply ignore or even compromise their requests. But Youtube isn't going to do that when they save so much money through automation.

Game modding is against Nintendo's ToS. And if you get caught modding their games then they will take your video's down.

That's their right.

@rjejr
Time travel is the feature that has been provided in Animal Crossing.
I used the time travel for opportunity so I still play the game legally.

@Seacliff That's not YT decision, DMCA requires platforms to directly remove the content if they receive a take down notice.

If modding a game is disrespectful, I wonder if you could argue that fanart is the same thing. I mean, you're not modding the art but you are changing the conception of it.

@Anti-Matter I've read your posts on here and if you ask me you have some bad takes.
Modding, while I won't deny can be misused, can also be used for good. It's not about "Ego" it simply stems from sheer love of the game they are playing.
It's also legal to mod games in the UK and US so...no, Nintendo is just being a bully here and trying to force Japan's laws onto other countries.

@Purgatorium Since you are comparing 2 different things under the same idea, I wonder if you would like if your significant other want to mod some aspects of you to adapt you better to its tastes.

I’m usually a pretty big Nintendo defender, but this is ridiculous.

Not just mod videos, also romhacks, fangames and self imposed challenges within the vanilla game (which, if anyone remembers, some studios at Nintendo like gamefreak and TPC consider to be the same as romhacks.)

@_fatto_katto_ I'm saying that their are similarities between the two to warrant a comparison. A person is completely different.

@NCChris It's legal in US under fair use, and making money from it isn't under the conditions of fair use. Y'all seems to omit the part where those youtubes are making money from this.

@Purgatorium Not for a developer tho.

@KingBowser Gotta realize being a youtuber or streamer nowadays is consider an actual job now.

@_fatto_katto_
Plenty of content under fair use makes money from it.
Reviews, Commentary, Criticism, Parody, News Reporting, Documentories, etc, all of these, some of which are literal TV shows that get revenue from advertisements, are all protected by fair use and make money off of them.
We don't bother "omitting" it because it's common sense.

I'm still curious how streaming a modded game is different from streaming an unmodded game in terms of copyright infringement.

It might be against the terms of service to mod a game, but breaking terms of service is not illegal. Streaming a game in any form could be considered copyright infringement, but can you be so selective about asserting property rights? Can a copyright holder use copyright law to enforce terms of service? It doesn't seem right. It feels like a serious abuse of the law, which governments wouldn't like that much, I imagine.

@Purgatorium
It literally isn't any different when it comes to streaming or uploading videos. If Modded content isn't allowed then neither is Non-Modded content.
The best thing Nintendo could do is take a look at the mods of the game in question and if they find the mod was made with their coding then they'd have a right to sue the modder because even code can be copyrighted.
But from what I know any mod for Nintendo games has been made with open-source public domain coding so in that sense Nintendo wouldn't have a leg to stand on. The only other way they could have is if the mod is being sold but since anyone can play the Zelda BOTW Multiplayer mod, that means it's not being sold and all that's required is the ownership of the game and system. As for ads appearing to generate revenue, that's a different side to the legal system which is where fair use comes in.

@Anti-Matter say goodbye to some of the biggest games that exist today then bud… without modding we wouldn’t have league of legends, wouldn’t have tons of indies that all started as mods. How exactly dose mods disrespect a game? Wth do you even mean by that modification of art is literally a thing that has existed and caused the growth of that art since its beginning

It makes sense. With a new game coming out, they don't want any confusion with fan stuff.

Hope PointCrow wins this case and can upload normally 🙏

The simple solution is to ask the copyright holder for permission before creating derivative works Not sure why everyone thinks this is fair use. It is absolutely not and video game companies have won legal cases about this multiple times in the past.

The exception being the game genie because it didn't actually add anything to the existing code.

It's really quite simple... if you want to make a mod, ASK first. If you're too afraid to ask, out of fear of not being granted permission, then you already know you're doing something dodgy. Copyright law is there to protect us.

If this happened to a small indie developer where someone made a profit off of someone else's work, it would be a whole different story. So big corporation or not, they are setting an essential precedent to protect smaller companies. Plus this guy has millions of subscribers and paid 10k to modders, it's whatever, he'll be fine

Why did the challenge runs get taken down? I kinda understand the modded runs but the challenge runs have no mods so I don’t know why they took them down.

@_fatto_katto_ if you'd watched video, he was fully following nintendos content creation guidelines, which expand on the base game tos, and again non modded stuff is getting hit too

@Scapetti challenge non modded runs are hit too

Pretty sure, takedowns of the unmodded ones are mistakes and can be taken back online. And paying somebody 10.000 bucks to alter a source code they don‘t own and then release is publicly? I‘m pretty sure that‘s illegal. This is not Nintendo hating on the mod community, there already exist countless mods which they weren‘t targeting.

@Dragnoran Not saying Nintendo did right or wrong, but while they may have followed Nintendo's content creation guidelines, I'm pretty sure modding is against their terms of use.

The fact that non-modded content has been hit too, makes this seem like a case of automated takedowns and not something that Nintendo has manually processed. But who knows?

@_fatto_katto_ Personally I think it's disrespectful to say a developer believes modding a game is similar to modding a human being. I have no doubt that developers are passionate about their work but they aren't psychopaths. Human beings are different.

@Williamfuchs420 League of Legends (DOTA) was allowed by Blizzard, calling a custom map a "mod" is really stretching it. Modding is fine, many games include tools for it. But they aren't typically set top box games and they aren't done to a company whose IP is on the level of Disney.

BTW, Blizzard wasn't happy with how Valve took their assets to make DOTA 2 and briefly complained. Then they changed their TOS to say that all custom maps are property of Blizzard going forward.

@NCChris That's what I suspected. Thanks for the explanation.

@Duffman92 Exactly this. Heck there are still PLENTY of mod videos still on youtube. Nintendo quite clearly didn't like the whole "I'm going to give 10k to modders" thing. And that is VERY fair

@KoopaTheGamer It's true, who knows, and does it even matter? You know the rules when you're streaming Nintendo properties - and claiming this had no Nintendo assets is ridiculous. The guy is using the game's title in the video title... Nintendo views their game content the way Hollywood does a movie. Like it or not, at least realize it.

@NCChris Yes, he does use mods from time to time. But some of his videos have absolutely zero mods used, and they're also being struck. This likely means that Nintendo isn't even watching some of these videos before striking them.

Free of Nintendo assets?
And while he's removed the links, he HAD been sharing the links.

I'm not surprised.

As Jim Sterling said... "It's perfectly, morally okay to pirate Nintendo games." Nintendo proved he was correct then and continues to be correct now.

nintendo often goes after youtube videos...i believe in some of the cases it just being petty...

Livelihood in danger
What a joke with 1.6 million subscribers. Also, youtubers are annoying. Thumbs down.

Now let's wait Jim Sterling giving TotK 1/10 review because Nintendo was bad to a youtuber.

@Duffman92 While I wouldn't use youtube to do such a thing. It's not explicitly illegal to reverse engineer something. In this case a game. Just if you're going to pay someone to do that, you're better off doing it under the table.

@Scapetti Nintendo literally has a page on their website that says what to do and not to do and there's nothing on there that says you're not allowed to mod games, not to mention modding is only illegal in Japan so even from a law perspective Nintendo may not be in the right.

@Duffman92 I'm sorry to be blunt but you don't know what you're talking about. The Multiplayer Mod was made with Open Source Code that is not copyrighted. If Nintendo, or anyone for that matter, owned the rights to that code then it would be grounds for a lawsuit but since it's public domain it's legal for anyone to use it.

@NCChris This is wrong, mods are considered derivative works and legally you require permission from the copyright holder first. It was the final ruling in this court case and still applies today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Star_v._FormGen_Inc.

The only reason stuff like steam workshop is allowed is because the developers are giving permission. Nintendo have never given such permission. Everyone and their aunt knows that Nintendo does not permit mods for their work

@Anti-Matter From what I've seen, most developers are flattered and amazed by mods of their games.

John Carmack released the source code to Doom after being impressed by a Star Wars mod. Speaking of which, John Romero has played with plenty of custom content and source ports created by the Doom community. Valve has approved and even collaborated with modders on projects for Half-Life and Left 4 Dead.

I don't think I can recall a case where the developers themselves spoke out against a mod unless it was cheating, NSFW, or being monetized. This is partly because a lot of them start out by modding games themselves and are just as passionate about experimenting as fans are.

The majority of these copyright strikes come from a management or legal branch within the company who likely never wrote a single line of code in their life.

@Scapetti For starters, this is from the fudging 90's which was a grossly different time and the Internet was still in it's infancy.
Secondly, this is a bad example because this page clearly states that the people were SELLING their version of the game. This alone makes the case very different.
And finally, if you read this carefully, it says "The district court found that Micro Star had likely infringed copyright with their packaging, which included artwork from Duke Nukem 3D, but found that the levels themselves were non-infringing"

Did you get that? It wasn't the levels themselves that were infringing, it was the packaging which I actually agree is infringing but mods don't sell anything nor do they come with any packaging, unless you're gonna claim ZIP files are "Packaging" lol

@NCChris You need to carry on reading to the appeal section and final outcome...

@Scapetti Okay, fair point, but it's still a bad example because these were straight up selling the game. Mods are made without the desire to profit.

@NCChris Yeah but his youtube is monetised and he's clearly making a lot from it if he's able to pay modders 10k to create mods... which... there's profit involved there

I have nothing against Pointcrow, but he dug his own grave by announcing he was paying someone for modding the game. Most Mods are done with the assumption that no money is involved(Atleast directly), but by paying someone 10k for the mod, Pointcrow has lost any goodwill from Nintendo when it comes to his other mods.

One could say his other mods are freely available to download on sites like Game Banana, and while that's true...Why would Nintendo assume he didn't also pay for them? He has opened a pandoras box where if his Lawyer attempts to argue transformative work, Nintendo can fire back and say he paid someone to modify their game for him to make profit off of.

They can do this for every single mod he's ever done, simply because they have the evidence he did this once before.

@Korsica_Is_Best_Girl Yep!

@Scapetti Wow, guess Im a career criminal. I've been modding without permission for years.

I'll turn myself in Monday.

@Vexx234 They only took down his videos LMAO

I'm not sure how to feel about this in general. I honestly get why a department within Nintendo would want to do this, to this kind of content. I'm sure automation or lack of research is the reason for the other videos (or who knows, he says they're vanilla game videos. Yet does he talk about mods? Does he advertise videos with mods? There'd be too much there to be sure.)

And yeah, content that may in some way encourage piracy isn't in their ideal, especially when related to your next big game and a lot of people will probably be inspired to pick up the previous.

But man, the legal necessity and in a vacuum decisions always look so damn bad. And I don't want Nintendo to have this kind of reputation be the thing that sticks out so much. I can't know what's happening behind closed doors, and if they talk these plans out with PR department, or if they supersede that department.

@NCChris Maybe I'm looking at a different page, but:

"You are only permitted to use Nintendo Game Content that has been officially released, or from..."

Mods are not officially released game content.

Also, sadly, they have this line: "We reserve the right to remove any content that we believe is unlawful, infringing, inappropriate, or not in line with these Guidelines."

Vague wording like this very much is there for situations that may not even fit under specific bullet points.

@Scapetti But those profits aren't being generated from the mods, they are being generated from ad-revenue which is very different. If you're gonna make the argument that Modded Video Game content can't be monetized then that means all video game content can't be monetized.
And besides, Nintendo has no reason to do this, they are basically being that spoiled kid that refuses to share his toys because "they're his".
These people are doing what they do out of sheer love for the company, they are not Nintendo's enemies, and this is how they are treated? It doesn't matter if Nintendo is "legally" in the right, even though I still disagree they are, they still don't need to do this to people that only want to support them.

@John_Koshiro Yep yep. Modders are awesome. From bringing old games up to today's hardware, to extending a games lifespan, or just bug fixing; Modders do great work.

Plenty of devs appreciate them too. Alot of indie devs started out as modders. Some of them even went on to work for game companies due to their skills.

Nintendo does nothing to people who do this in their bedroom, this person is getting away lightly with just some YouTube takedowns.

@dew12333 Well, I mean unless Nintendo has hidden camera in everyone's house; It would be kinda hard to go after someone in their own bedroom.

@Jappio The thing is; It's no secret that Nintendo is against mods but that's why this debate keeps happening because many of us keep trying to explain to Nintendo that mods aren't the big bad thing they seem to think it is. And whenever they do respond they unfairly group modders with piracy which only further proves how out-of-touch they are.
Is Nintendo in the right legally? I personally believe they are not in the right because at the end of the day they are not losing anything to this and in fact could even gain from it if they just embraced like many others have. Yeah there was that lawsuit from the 90's but that's from a different time, we didn't even have YouTube back then! Politics need to move with the times and this is a prime example of when it's stuck in the past.

Oh goody, we haven't hard a "people scream about a company doing something that is not only completely within their legal right to do, but would be stupid not to" article in a while!

Death to Nintendo! Enforcing their IP rights and preventing themselves from being sued, like the MONSTERS they are.

Ever wonder why it's almost always NOA and they almost always target English speaking channels? The west in general is more litigious then the rest of the world, but the US is insane. It's meme worthy, people sue everyone for everything. Now look at this outrage ... what is the YouTube creator trying to argue? He's being targeted by Nintendo.

Targeted by Nintendo.

Let that sink in. Read it over and over again. Really think about it for a bit. Put your nerd rage aside, drop the "stick it to the man" feelings and just think about it. He is making a legal argument that Nintendo is targeting him. That Nintendo doesn't always enforce their IP rights, it's a choice they make based on the content or based on the person posting the content.

How could you make that argument? Why would you make that argument? Well it's simply, he is saying that he shouldn't be liable and Nintendo shouldn't be able to hit him with completely legal DMCA takedowns because they are doing it specifically to hurt him. An argument you can only make by ...

Wait for it. WAIT FOR IT ...

By trying to prove that Nintendo isn't doing enough to take down EVERY SINGLE VIDEO with Zelda footage in it. He is trying to make Nintendo legally liable, hold them AT FAULT, for not issuing enough DMCAs. And he's right. That how the law works in the US.

You're expected to sue everyone for everything. You are expected to file suits YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T WIN. You are expected to sue people that have done nothing wrong just to prove you will sue people. If you don't sue people for small things, that can be used against you when you sue someone for a more sever but similar offence. This company doesn't take down every single video of (game) footage but they took down MINE? That's (racist, sexist, bias) because the only did that because I'm (white, black, male, female, right-wing, left-wing), and now I'm SUING THEM.

AND IT HAS WORKED IN THE PAST.

So, NOA's only possible answer it to take down everything. To crazy go nuts and send DMCA strikes to people who have BOTW posters visible when they make cooking videos.

This guy is complaining that Nintendo is doing something he is literally forcing them to do, because he knows people are going to blame Nintendo. That's because the general population is clueless and blissfully ignorant, more interested in having baby rage towards a big company that trying to understand what the real problem is. So inform yourself, and stop being part of the problem. If they don't shut down this guys mod, then when someone mods a game so that all the enemies are wearing rainbow t-shirts and you beat them to death with the bible, the people who made that video can sue Nintendo for discrimination against Catholics AND WIN.

@GoshJosh The same rules apply to all, but people having fun on their own is never attacked by Nintendo. Just people like this who are trying to get fame and fortune off their backs.

There’s an oddly large amount of people on here against modding, which I find to be quite strange, all things considered. Games like Terraria and Rivals of Aether THRIVE off of mods, and the creators support said modders. There’s nothing unethical about it, everyone who uses the mods has already purchased the games, and the only extra profit is people buying (not pirating) the game to play said mods. They don’t pay for the mods, they pay for the game; the ones profiting are the game devs, and in turn, the modders gain well deserved publicity, which can be turned into money if they decide to go and make their own games and such. It’s a win win win scenario, no one loses anything. (Bonus point, Smash Bros. Brawl has been kept alive for YEARS because of its modding community, and everyone loves it. No one calls it disrespectful, it’s fun. It’s playable on official hardware, which actually has driven more people to buy and play it, which can then build interest to make them want to buy the modern Smash games. It’s a perfect cycle of companies giving fans a cool thing, fans adding on to that cool thing, which causes more people to become fans and buy said cool thing)

Now, on the Nintendo side of things, there isn’t much difference, outside of how Nintendo feels about it; The mods are free, and piracy is clearly noted as being advised against. This multiplayer mod in particular may even encourage many people who haven’t played the original game (perhaps because they prefer multiplayer games to single player ones) to go out and buy it. These mods don’t support pirating, anyone who would pirate the game for this purpose would have done so for any other reason, and probably already has. As for Pointcrow getting revenue from the videos… Well no crap, of course he would. Every kind of video gets revenue, what’s so different about this? You can get revenue for playing anything, like BOTW unmodded, which so many people have done. Why would it make sense for everyone to make money off of something with so little effort that it’s actually just playing a game for money, rather than one that’s actually a product of their own efforts? Like what, should I be paid for you to watch me go the museum, or should I be paid for you to watch me create my own piece of art in front of said museum? What’s more deserving, hm?

@HeadPirate Uhm...where exactly is PointCrow stating that only he is being targetted? He even mentioned in the video that others have been targetted.
What are you on about?

@Platinum-Bucket Nice to see someone on here being reasonable.

@NCChris

I'm completly willing to clear up any problems you have with the way I'm saying things or clarify ... but .. from the article ...

"In a new video upload titled "Nintendo is Taking Down MY Videos", PointCrow called out the video game giant (in a prepared statement, reviewed by his lawyer) for his channel with two separate copyright strikes aimed at his Zelda multiplayer mod videos, and accused it of "deliberately" putting his livelihood in danger.

Read article, then comment on article is the correct order to do things in. How could they deliberately be putting his livelihood in danger if he had no reason to think they wouldn't take his video down, seeing they take EVERYONE'S video down? Why would he think they would make an exception for him if they never make exceptions?

That is NOA's legal defense. And to claim that, they have to be doing it.

"how dare he tarnish our beautiful games by deigning to mod them and make them impure in front of a mass audience" y'all reggie isn't going to see you acting like this. it's okay. calm down. intellectual property isn't real, everybody knows that nintendo is insanely litigious, you don't have to pretend there's a moral justification

@_fatto_katto_ The fact that Nintendo has taken down videos about mods before is the problem. PointCrow knew that they might get taken down when he posted those videos, but it doesn’t change the fact they shouldn’t be taken down.

I’m not defending PointCrow, I’m defending the use of mods in general.

@NCChris Heck yeah dude, but I don’t blame people for not understanding the full scope of what effects what in situations like this, nor how they may be similar or different from situations with much less controversy. It requires a deep dive in order to see the full extent behind things like this, and often thinking outside the apparent box. Many people don’t realize that the clear water on the surface of these situations rests atop a dark sea of circumstances

@Duffman92 It’s not released publicly, the article very explicitly states that.

@Korsica_Is_Best_Girl I don’t know laws about making mods or monetizing off it, but I’m pretty sure paying someone to do something legal is legal in all cases.

As long as making mods is legal, paying someone else to make it for you wouldn’t make it illegal, no matter how much you paid. I could be wrong about this, but I’m fairly certain.

@NCChris I was just noting that they do have policy against it, since you had said it wasn't against their rules. Not if they should or shouldn't allow modding.

There are non pirating ways to mod. Just there are pirating ways too. I sure don't have the numbers to know which is being done more. I don't have the numbers to know if even one is less than the other. Maybe it's a 70-30 split, maybe it's 90-10. Maybe only 2% of the people playing mods are doing it on pirated copies. But what if that number used to be 1.9%? What if it was 1.75% before that? If it's an upwards trend, maybe that's when we see the actions being taken place. Nintendo may not have the exact numbers either of course, it's not something one can track.

I'm not happy they feel they have to take these actions. I wish there was some happy middle ground that looked good on all sides. I just kind of can understand where the perspective can come from the other side. And my lack of the total picture makes it hard to say with absolutely certainty what should be done. How careful they are, and how careful they have to be are such murky things that are hard to make a distinction between.

@Platinum-Bucket No one here is against modding. It is about permission. Steam workshop is allowed because developers give permission. Nintendo don't give permission because they are a family friendly company and it causes them too much headache. It's fair enough, particularly when you see the kinds of stages people create in Smash Bros Ultimate

@Platinum-Bucket

While you're completely correct in that you shouldn't blame people for not knowing about the complexities in a given situation ... we all only know what we know ... here are two things it's really okay to blame people for. Things we should be MORE active in blaming people for.

1 - Having and expressing a strong opinion on something you don't understand. Reading this, thinking "that's a complex legal issue I don't understand" and looking for more information? Good! Reading this without said understanding and replying with "LITERALLY KILL EVERYONE WHO WORKS FOR NINTENDO. THEY ARE WORSE THEN 100 HITLERS".? Less good.

2 - Sites posting stories about complex legal issue and leaving out any explanation or exploration of the issue because they actually want their user base to scream about how we should kill everyone who works for Nintendo because that makes more money. Nintendolife doesn't need a legal consultant and shouldn't be expected to do a deep dive or investigative reporting, but "Nintendo aggressively protects their IPs to avoid being legally exposed and not taking down videos like this could result in huge issues for them down the line" should probably be in there.

@HeadPirate Well yeah...of course they did it deliberately. They manually went over his channel and struck him because they aren't happy with mods. And technically yes they have put his livelihood at risk because PointCrow's entire channel is focused around modding Nintendo games and has been for years now.
Nintendo doesn't take down everyone, I've uploaded hundreds of videos of Nintendo games and not had a single issue and I'm a less-than-small channel, there are people out there that have uploaded thousands of videos of Nintendo's games and they've been allowed to fly.
I really don't get what you're trying to say here...

@Jappio Fair enough, I see what you mean.

@Scapetti Family friendly company? Wow, for a family friendly company they sure allow alot of M rated games on their platform.

@WaffleRaptor01 LMAO

Most of these content creators are making money off of Nintendo's content via ads on YouTube so there is really no defense of fair use.

@HistoricKombat Correct

@Scapetti I'm actually wondering how many of these "Smash Bros Ultimate Stages" you've seen that you think are modded but actually are made in the game's stage builder.
Also, This whole "Permission" thing you're going on about is exactly the point! The community has been trying to get permission from Nintendo to allow modding for YEARS! If Nintendo just backed off and allowed it like so many other companies have, this entire mess wouldn't be an issue.
It's like you think we can just trot up to the big N and kindly ask "Can we please get permission to mod your games?", like that's not what the community has been trying to do for ages now.

@NCChris

I'm saying that Nintendo should take your videos down. And the reason they should take them down is ... what you just said. They obviously can't watch every YouTube video, but need to show they are doing everything possible to take down as much content as possible.

I'm saying "Good for them. I completely endorse them removing this video. While I do not HOPE your videos get taken down, nor would I report you or anyone else, I would completely endorse them removing them"

I am saying this while also saying "the legal reality that forces them to take down this video is kinda stupid and should change."

Look, I try and give everyone respect and I never assume the worst from people, but I honestly can't tell if you're trolling. You have to understand how silly what you are saying is, right?

The cops "target" people who kill people for money. They cops put the livelihood of people that kill people for money at risk by arresting them. That's a good thing though. Because killing people for money is illegal. What this guy is doing is also illegal. It's good that we have laws and that we enforce the law, even though I don't actually agree with EVERY law. In fact I don't completely agree with the laws at issue here, or the DMCA. But I heartedly endorse its unbias and complete enforcement.

This guy is like a hitman trying to say that he should be able to keep being a hitman not because being a hitman is legal ... it's not, and not because cops can't stop hitmen ... they can, but because their are hitmen the cops don't charge with crimes.

You see how that's bad right? And how the solution should be the cops stopping more hitmen, not letting this person go on being a hitman? Right?

Just a daily reminder this company sucks.

@NCChris I was talking about the adult content created in the stage builder... and that's not asking for permission. That's demanding it. In the end it is their decision

@Scapetti That’s fair, to Nintendo, untrustworthy members of the community are definitely more worth stopping than taking chances on whomever. I can’t blame them for THAT after what some people have done, cuz yeah, the smash stage creator is a very good example…

@HeadPirate True, there’s certainly a whole lot of people overreacting on both sides, even worse so when anyone says they’re doing it “on behalf” of one party or the other, without understanding the full situation.

Ruh roh they don’t want BOTW known as the “You can do what?” game and this is probably going to get uglier in the coming weeks.

Nintendos game, they want it to played the way they intended to. Can't really argue with that and no modder can complain.

@HeadPirate
That's not really a good comparison though, 1 is very clearly cut-and-dry, being a hitman is illegal, most of the population will agree murder is wrong.
But this? This is a very gray area that, as shown by this page, is very debateable with many on both sides. I personally am on the side that Nintendo should allow mods because of all the positive things modding has done for the community, it could even lead to Nintendo selling even more games, many companies get this, why doesn't Nintendo?

Also, you say what I am saying is silly, but here you are telling me that my channel should be taken down.....except for the fact that Nintendo has a page on their website that lists the do's and don't's for making videos with their games and I'm 100% within their guidelines so no, I shouldn't be taken down, I don't even dabble in mods as they're not for me personally.

@Scapetti Oh come on, whenever you get a game that allows for a sort of builder you always get a group of people that misuse it and make crude things. Also, what does this even have to do with the topic at hand?
And not everyone has been demanding, some people have politely conversed with Nintendo and asked them to be co-operative but they just refuse to listen and then go after people like PointCrow who are supporting them while also making a living off of it. Yeah so they monetize their videos? Many gameplay channels do, even Nintendo channels, that doesn't mean it's okay to shame them or wish for their world to crumble.

This is the final frontier: a vast, beautiful game like BOTW/TOTK, but with drop-in multiplayer. I want this to happen, and I will not stop wishing for it until it is realized.

Was the year 1976 just erased from history or something? The fact that Nintendo can just file claims and strikes on these videos shows that literally any company can do the same, they just choose not to. I think it's safe to assume that copyright law the way it works currently is still an abusable mess.

And I figured I mention that the vid is currently 7th for trending in the general tab.

bUt It’S fReE aDvErTiSiNg!

@KingBowser All of the videos that got taken down are within the parameters
of Nintendo's own guidelines regarding content creation with their products. It was never a problem before and now they just ignore their own guidelines here. These videos are fair use and do not infringe upon copyright laws.

This is not protecting anything, this is damaging to their reputation and shows that their legal department is a ridiculous joke. They do in fact not have the right to brake their own guidelines.

Making Youtube videos like the ones taken down isn't easy and isn't just "sitting on your butt". Your ignorance is ridiculous. Coming up with an idea, recording, editing etc. is a full time commitment and not easy. Do you think writing is not a "real" job because they're just "sitting on their butts" writing books and screenplays. Is any job related to entertainment not a "real" job?

@Anti-Matter Modding isn't just adding stuff to the game. I have mod games just to get them to bloody work on PC. When developers release a game and it doesn't work and modders come in and fix the game that the devs aren't bothered to do themselves.

I do understand where you are coming from as you want to play the game that the devs developed but not all mods are the same. If we respected the version that the devs release then we shouldn't fix a game that the devs themself release broken.

Are they going for all Zelda videos, or just ones from channels that are monetizing their videos? I've been doing a ❤️❤️❤️ permadeath run of every Zelda game, but if Nintendo's going to take down my stream, it's a little bit demotivating, all I was doing was showing my passion for the series. I really wish Nintendo was a little more lenient with their fans, especially since they're asking us to pay $70 for a game that reuses a lot of assets...

@HistoricKombat Fair use is not about wether they make money with these videos.
"Works of commentary, criticism, research, teaching, or news reporting may be considered fair use."
Quote from Google Support. Fair is not about money and profit.

Sorry but i burst a laugh at the "putting his livelihood in danger" part, get a real job you silly donut

@Discostew If you're talking about Nintendo music getting taken down by "Nintendo" that was much longer than a few weeks ago, it was last year I think. Afaik it was supposedly the actual Nintendo as much as people thought it was just trolls.

@KayFiOS dont want to stsrt an argument but, you know that they can charge whatever they think their products are worth? (Same thing with your choice on buying stuff from them)

@KayFiOS Keep in mind this is just from my own knowledge and from what I've seen so don't take this as fact but generally Nintendo seems to leave you be if you do not upload anything involving mods. The way it seems to work is if they spot you uploading mods it tends to make them target your entire channel, even videos that are within their rules, but if you have zero mods on your channel and only upload footage of games that are in-line with what Nintendo releases, that seems to keep them off your back.

@EriXz How long will it take until people like you stop thinking that a job like his is not "real"? Being a Youtuber and streamer like that is a full time job that takes effort and commitment. Do you think actors, comedians etc. are not "real" jobs?
It is a job when you work and earn money for your work.

@BTB20 Hold up, I thought YouTube themselves confirmed the music take down really was from Nintendo. Is that not the case after all?

I’ve never really cared about these stories/situations, but I help but find it hilarious, especially the excuses and complaining.

@NCChris That's exactly what I just said. It was supposedly the actual Nintendo.

Really not a big fan of Pointcrow as a person for the choices he makes, so I have no sympathy that this has happened to him

@BTB20 My bad, sorry.

You know, Nintendo Life has a history of shutting down comments on a thread when things got out of hand, maybe now is a good time for that?

@Discostew
Yeah, Nintendo USA and Nintendo JP don't exist, it's Nintendo of America and Nintendo Co Ltd (NCL).

@NCChris You think? This should've been done from the start.

@BTB20 im sure it takes some effort, however it is not a real job, so yeah, this guy can cry a river or get a real job

@BTB20

Creators are allowed to use copyrighted content under fair use for non-profit, but in most cases, they cannot profit from copyrighted content without the owners consent. That is why Google usually sides with copyright holders because Google could get sued for allowing unapproved copyrighted material on their websites.

@EriXz Well you can say that about people who make games for a living.

If youtubers isn't a real job, then so isn't the people behind your favorite anime, movie, tv show, music, and games.

@EriXz Of course they're allowed to charge what they want, and I am buying Tears of the Kingdom because even though it does reuse assets, it's still looking to be a fantastic time regardless, but with Nintendo's blatant abuse of YouTube's copyright system, it doesn't surprise me that there are people who decide to pirate their games instead of supporting them. Not condoning it, just saying that throwing their weight around and punishing dedicated fans that are expressing their love for BotW by pouring hours into developing a mod to make it even better is doing more damage to the brand than the mod itself.

@EriXz I just don’t understand, how is it not a real job? Is acting not a real job? It’s not like it benefits society whatsoever, I just don’t understand why peoples work has to be put down like this. And what about the many animation pilots on YouTube, vary high quality stuff that cost money, I don’t know how it can’t count as a job.

Been an influencer, making youtube videos, its not a real job, this guy's are making money out of a hobby which is fine, i don't mind, but don't pretend its a real job, its a pass time that they happen to make money off but it is not a real job (this is my opinion, you guys can have yours)

Why is “their” flagged with sic… it’s the proper usage of the word their in the possessive. It’s not a typo.

@KayFiOS its their intelectual property to protect and they will do as they see fit, why are people or why do people feel entitle to modify someone else's intelectual property its beyond my logic. I have read comments here saying that Nintendo should allow mods to exist just because mods can generate revenue for them or because by existing, mods can atract new costumers, I mean, they have the right to choose how to atract new costumers, if they think mods harm their IP's why should someone else think they can get away with something like this? Its OK to think diferent but to be all butthurt because a company is more protective than other of their products its just nonsense. This guy even went as far as to say That Nintendo is hurting his livelihood.... i just don't get it, they allowed him to make money off of they games FFS

@EriXz Influencer, youtuber fall under entertainment. Entertainment has the following categories: Movies, TV, Music, and yes Videogames.

It's been agreed that entertainment counts as a job. You have your opinion. Thank you for stating that, and for allowing others to share theirs. Most generous of you.

But hey, you do you. If it's not a real job, then those peeps who spend 5+ years making Zelda and Mario for you to enjoy aren't people with real jobs either.

I like how that pointcrow guy manipulated his viewers into thinking this is important and will affect everyone while it's not. He funded and made money from the biggest BOTW mod ever and still thinks he's in the right. Also it's depressing to see many people in the comments said they no longer support TOTK because their influencer no longer love it, like dam how much of an NPC can you be? Trying thinking for yourself and not acting like a sheep seems to be very hard these days

Are people here seriously trying to compare videogame developers and videogame YouTube “content creators” as if they are the same league?

Last I checked the former produces a product [key phrase lot of people here are failing to understand] that doesn’t undermine an existing ‘owned by someone else’ asset to sell while the latter plays videogames all day to farm subscribers and “makes a living” leeching off the former without their permission.

That is also a key difference from other “entertainers” like singers, actors, etc. They are not leeching off others works. You are not seeing Tom Cruise trying to make money off Titanic.

Sorry, but that is a poor life decision if you based your primary source of income playing Nintendo games all day so not gonna shed any tears that they didn’t come up with at least a backup plan like at least having an actual job and having the YouTube/Twitch/etc personality thing as a side hustle like what a lot of people actually do.

I mean at least content creator people like Mr Beast actually produce products/has a business that feels more in line of a legitimate career

Nintendo being their usual self overzealously defending their property, which is why it's hard to feel bad for anyone doing anything with Nintendo stuff other than playing it normally. I'd ask why court disaster like that, but it's equally confounding as to why these people try to build careers on sand.

@Arawn93 True, but then again Tom cruise and other entertainers for that matter serve no real important function in life. Yet we say whatever they do is an actual job.

If you removed Tom Cruise from the world, nothing important would be loss. If you removed Nintendo from the world, nothing important would be loss. This can apply to 99% of the media we consume.

If you removed doctors, scientists, farmers, drivers, then the entire planet is doomed. If you removed all of Hollywood, youtube, videogames, then the only loss is arguably your joy.

Entertainment is a self choice career. Those who seek it already know the risk of failure. However if they succeed it counts as a job.

Personally, I don't care how you make a living. Just as long as it's not illegal and you pay your fair share of crappy taxes.

They have a legal and fiduciary obligation to protect their IP and bad legal things happen if they don't. It's nothing personal, even if it feels that way.

@Arawn93 do I think they’re comparable in a skill sense and overall actual how hard it is? No, like you said they’re not even in the same league. I think the argument is that it just that it’s nothing that contributes to society in a way that is important.

Wile I do still think YouTubing can count as a job, it shouldn’t be your only source of money.

So, they guy made a mod from a Nintendo game, making money from it, and now claims that he's victim of Nintendo's legal team? Sooner or later people will learn that if you mess with IP and monetize from it, they will come after you.
As for his followers that won't buy the game, their loss.

I remember being ridiculed for saying that Nintendo has questionable business tactics. This company is making me sick more and more. Love the games but the company is led by two faced criminals.

@Snatcher Why couldn’t it be your only job? If it’s a real job, let people earn a complete income with it. It’s hard work to keep up a YT channel.

@PinderSchloss oh I’m not saying they can’t! They absolutely can and many do, unless your going all in, I feel like it shouldn’t be your only source personally, but like I said there are many who do and I agree it’s really hard to keep up, that’s why I feel it should at least count as a job of some sort, and not invalidating other peoples work, because there are some amazing animators cgi creators editors on there, who’s talents could be used for the said “real job”

I deleted 1000 videos from my secondary channel voluntarily pre-emptively just because of a Youtube change I thought might cause problems possibly, I wish I could muster some sympathy. Otherwise, of the 47,000 Nintendo videos I've recorded, once in a while I get fake claims from Sony, BMG, DJ's abusing copyright, etc (which I always fight and always win), but Nintendo themselves has never been a problem because I follow the terms of service that clearly state what's allowed and what isn't. I'm thankful that I get to monetize games that they made, without their content I'd have nothing to record so I don't see a problem following their terms. Maybe if I was some amateur just goofing around it's one thing, but if you take your channel seriously you can't just do whatever.

@GoshJosh it is not the same and now you are been silly, just because you have clasified something into a category that fits your thinking doesn't mean you are right. Yeah, youtubers, influencers and the likes are not real jobs, film makers, actors, dancers, Painters, programers those are real jobs with and actual craft and a set of skills

@Arawn93 that was a well put coment and i do agree with you, thank you

Compare game developers to streamers is the most insulting thing I have ever seen here

@Jamies The comparison is about jobs in entertainment.

@DripDropCop146 Entertainment as a whole is important to society. One specific company or actor being gone wouldn't end the world, but all movies, shows, games, books, theater, music etc. disappearing would be very detrimental to society.

Disturbing his livelihood of stealing and modifying content he doesn't own? Who in their right mind would defend his thieving ass?! To start with, modders aren't gamers. They take something they're bored with and make it fun to them, which is asinine because they can just go play something else or get a new hobby. There isn't a single mod out there that is worth my time as a real gamer. Secondly, any content that isn't yours yet you're collecting a paycheck for is STEALING. Black and white, he's using Zelda BotW assets without permission for compensation. No other factors matter here, that's theft 101. You defend him, you're admittedly a thief. I do hope you leave your doors unlocked at night because you firmly believe anyone can take whatever they want at anytime for their own personal gain.

Poor old grandpa Nintendo, eternally cursed to be forever chasing kids from their virtual lawn.

@KBuckley27 there’s nothing wrong with protecting your property

@EriXz I want to ask something; Exactly what is it that makes being a content creator not a real job?

"Nintendo is protecting your property".

Nintendo is the only one that behaves this way.

I don't see Capcom acting like Nintendo, when players extract characters from Street Fighter and mix it with other neo geo fighting games using Mugen.

I don't see From Software acting like that, when players put Zelda's Link in Elden's Ring.

It's a huge nonsense what Nintendo does. Youtube channels publicize the brand.

I still don't understand how there can be a Youtuber who spends 24 hours praising Nintendo.

Nintendo is the most mercenary company in the industry. It's heavy marketing aimed at kids and "adult kids" to buy games that aren't worth the price (ok there will be controversy and rain of answers here, relativizing what I just wrote). But this whole dynamic of marketing using websites, in addition to paying people to write excitedly about each new release….creates an environment of collective excitement…that keeps the brand burning.

I don't want my daughter to be the target of this brand cult marketing. For this reason, what she least has access to here at home is Nintendo branded products.

I don't want my daughter to be a Nintendo fan. I don't think this company's marketing is healthy.

Today she has a Steam account, and we play several games there, like Nickelodeon All Star Battle, It Takes Two, Little Big Planet, Spyro the Dragon Trilogy, etc...not on a Nintendo, on Steam!

I want her to grow up in an environment where she can pay less for higher quality games and not be around excited people worshiping a brand. I'm not loyal to any brand and I want her to be like that too.

@Anti-Matter
Modding isn't a sin in itself. Yes, you can turn a kids game into a rated M game. But you can also make completely new games and give people new experiences. As long as you're not charging insane amounts of money for the files, modding is less of an insult towards the creator and more of a statement of how much you enjoy what they put out. Modding takes time.

Likely so mod functionality won’t be confused with TotK’s new system and also because you can’t mod the game legally anyway.

@Marioman2023 There will always be a downside to things, however one shouldn't generalize an entire group because of some outliers.

Anyone who thinks modding is just NSFW stuff or out to give the middle finger to the devs, have no idea what actually goes on in the community.

Modding can do alot of thing to enhance an already excellent game. Modding can also be used to fix a bad game. Most times however modding is just silly fun everyone can join to keep the replay ability of a game alive well past it's prime.

Thanks to modders and people who reverse engineer things, I've been able to play games that came out decades ago but cannot run properly on today's PC's.

Heck, I even give credit to modders for unlocking content that can no longer be access due to limited time events years ago.

Many of them are very passionate about the games they play and respect it. Otherwise they wouldn't spend hours tinkering with it.

@Switch_Pro as someone who has worked on mods, I'm pro-mods! They're amazing in that they add longevity to a game (without mods Skyrim, Fallout 3 and New Vegas would be in the dustbin of history with other 7th gen titles). I know Nintendo is sensitive to mods and it is their right to be as the IP holder to decide if they will allow mods or not, but I do think being restrictive of them is rather petty. But, considering these tend to be used on emulators and hacked Switches I think that is the bigger issue for Nintendo than mods themselves.

I think mods are overall a good for most video games.

Ultimately all of these games are the sole property of Nintendo and they have the right to request content be removed if they feel it infringes on their copyright. Nintendo has always been very strict about the use of their IP and will enforce their rights. Any content creators who choose to modify Nintendo IP and profit off it runs the risk of reprisal. Nintendo is the one in the right here, it is their licensed and copyrighted property, they and they alone have the right to modify that property and use said modifications for profit. The moral of this story… If you modify or reproduce Nintendo IP, do so at your own risk, especially if you do so for profit.

@Rykdrew all of your points are irrelevant. It does not matter what other companies choose to do with their property.

This is no different than someone going out and making a new Star Wars movie without Disney’s permission.

Nintendo has every right to protect their property. Would you like it if I came over and painted your house neon green? Then made videos about your green house that I made profit on? No! You would call the cops and sue me.

Also, show me one toy company that does not market to kids. They all do it, that is why most toy commercials are on during prime kid television times. You watch a cartoon on Sunday mornings? 3 out of 4 commercials are for toys. You are slamming Nintendo for doing what all of the toy industry does, yet why is Nintendo the bad guy here?

@Rykdrew but why can it be criticized? Again, should you be criticized for protecting your property?

If I came to your house and decided it would look better painted neon green and have 1000 bright pink flamingos in the front yard, then filming it for YouTube, according to you, you should be the one criticized for having me stopped and forced to fix your house. You should be happy because I am bringing more attention to your house.

@Luckey Nobody said Nintendo can't do it. Nintendo can, although it is not obligated to do so.

What we are saying is that this behavior CAN be criticized.

And can be even more criticized when comparing Nintendo's behavior with that of other companies.

Capcom may prevent the use of characters from its fighting games in Mugen, but, it doesn't.
From Software can prevent the use of Zelda's Link in Elden Ring, but it doesn't.

It's Nintendo's choice.

In my opinion, a shot in the foot. Because these Youtubers who help spread the Nintendo brand will migrate to other brands.

Like I said, I'm not loyal to any brand. All loyalty is dumb.

You probably care a lot more about Nintendo than Nintendo cares about you. It's the typical toxic relationship LOL

(I updated the previous answer)

@Luckey Your example of the house makes no sense.

Painting my house hurts me.

If I graffitied the wall of Nintendo's headquarters, I would damage it.

If I create a green painting and sell it to you, and you, the buyer, decide to paint it blue and put it on the internet, teaching people how to paint blue, whatever...

@Luckey there is the legalistic right then there is the moralistic right. I think you can make the argument of Nintendo being in the legal right as modifying their software tends to bypass DRM and Nintendo's proprietary software. But, in the moral sense it gets rather grey as these mods do not harm Nintendo directly and while we can argue it promotes the use of emulators (and by proxy piracy as most people are not equipped to rip their own ROMs) or even hacked Switches. However, morally modding is not a net bad for a video game. Mass Effect has been supported by mods for years despite EA not releasing a toolset and it has kept the trilogy fresh for over a decade. Same with Skyrim, Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Skyrim in particular benefits a ton from mods on PC to the point Bethesda made agreements with Microsoft and Sony to allow mods on their platforms. Even complete recreations of Oblivion for Skyrim while not actively supported by Bethesda boosts sales of both games.

So you see how this issue is not black and white and how an argument can be made that morally Nintendo is not 100% clean here even if legally they are. We have to create a clear distinction when discussing these two different ideas.

@Rykdrew the house example is exactly the same. The game and it’s characters is their property, they own it. They have every right to protect it. And you are not allowed to modify it in anyway.

Your painting example is wrong because when someone buys that painting, they are now the full owner of it and the original painter gives up the rights to it. When you buy a game, Nintendo is not giving up their rights to the game, they still own it and therefore still have control over what happens to the assets contained within.

@Luckey I see. I pay $60 to buy Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Sorry....correcting the sentence...I pay 60 to BORROW the Nintendo game that still DOESN'T BELONG TO ME.

Hmm...interesting, so.....I don't think Nintendo games are worth "buying". I better buy only games from other producers!

I prefer to buy games from brands where I can do whatever I want with what I bought, like Capcom, Bathesda, Microsoft, From Software..., well, all the others! Except Nintendo!

Thanks for letting me know, Nintendo is going to lose someone who spends $4000 a year on games! Cool!

Not that Nintendo cares about me or you. Nintendo doesn't care about Nobody who's here.

Like I said, being a loyal Nintendo fan is a toxic, dumb relationship.

No, I'm not a loyal fan of any brand

@Rykdrew nope, you do not own “Super Mario Cart 8”, you have licensed a copy to use. Nintendo stil retains the rights to all the assets contained there in. You may do what you want with the physical cartridge, but you are not allowed to change the software contained on the cartridge.

The same is true for ALL games, you do not own the game, you are licensing a copy to use. Same with books or movies, you do not own the book’s contents. You just own a copy. The purchase gives you no rights to the books contents. You cannot claim any ownership to the materials, characters, story or assets contained in that game, book or movie

For example, you cannot take a movie, buy a copy, modify the movie, then present that movie to the public for profit. You must first get permission from the owner of the movie to modify it and present it to the public.

The moment you present your modifications to the public is the line. If you modify your copy of a game and only you see or play that modification, you are ok, the moment you present it to the public you violate the owners rights.

Again, ALL games, books, or movies are this way. Were you truely not aware of this? Did you honestly think that when you buy a game you own the actual game. So if you bought Skyrim, you think you own the IP of Skyrim now? You only licensed a copy for personal use.

PointCrow's modded BOTW videos are cool.
I mean WERE cool...

@EriXz Do you realise how hard a good youtuber has to work?

@Luckey You didn't have to write so much. I know everything you wrote.

If I modify a movie and put it on the internet, or a song, all the companies in the segment will sue me.
But, in the GAME segment, no company cares about this, only Nintendo.

And..."Regular" Zelda videos are also being targeted"

The thing is: EVERY OTHER GAME COMPANY IN THE WORLD doesn't act like NINTENDO.

The result is that the OTHER COMPANIES are pro-consumer, ignoring it.

NOT NINTENDO.

So there are only two ways here:

1. We have to PRAISE every company in the world except Nintendo.

2. We have to CRITICIZE Nintendo and ONLY Nintendo.

Which do you choose: PRAISE other companies but Nintendo, or criticize Nintendo, since choosing whether or not to care about this affects the consumer experience? Don't you think INCREDIBLE companies that don't care about this? (all others in the world)? I think they're AWESOME! FANTASTIC! Nintendon´t!

@Wexter I don't really play mods that much nowadays. I have modded games in the past, mainly Bethesda stuff. Anyway, I have nothing against mods, but the thing is, Nintendo do, because they feel it's misrepresenting their content, and at the end of the day, it's their right to protect their IP in any way they see fit. I think anybody modding Nintendo content and DISTRIBUTING IT is asking for trouble. I mean, why would you risk it and then complain when Nintendo lawyer ninjas finally catch up? It's just crazy.

@PinderSchloss yes, i follow the work of many and i can only guess they put a lot of effort into some of their videos, still, not a real job.

@NCChris i follow many channels fron a variety of stuff that I enjoy, common thing is: the ones about food, they have restaurants, are professional chefs etc. luthiers, fix or restore guitars, they do that for a living, and in both examples, they create content based on their respective working fields not the other way around.

Corporations owe you nothing, so why defend them?

@EriXz But many influencers are influencers because they take the "YouTube Game" and put their own spin-on it.
Yeah sure, maybe just sitting down and playing games can't be considered a real job but many content creators, especially professional ones, have studios built into their homes, their own websites (Like this one), merchandising, their own conventions, and so on. Not to mention they have multiple incomes of revenue from Patreon, Merchandising, Sponsors, and of course YouTube Ad Revenue.

Also, if that's how you see it, doesn't that mean a Librarian wouldn't be considered a "real job"? I mean all they do is base their work around working in a library and not make the library about them so...is that also not a real job?

We need justice for PointCrow.

You can’t call anything “not a real job” before you’ve done it successfully yourself.

@PinderSchloss Well plenty of YouTubers that base their content on video games have proven successful so...I guess it is a "real job".

@_fatto_katto_ I mean it's true he makes a bunch of money but it wasn't harming Nintendo in any way, it seems incredibly petty to try to stop someone from profiting from your game when it doesn't harm you or decrease your profit in any way. If anything, he's bringing more popularity to Breath of the Wild, as he's done for years previous. Plus, anything that requires effort that pays off is definitely a job, don't shame on this guy for making his living this way and wanting to protect his interests when Nintendo, a supercorporation of a game company, is lashing out in a greedy attempt to control what they've already released to the community. I see that they're protecting their IP and I'm all for that, but really it's good to let the community take some control especially when you're already as filthy rich as Nintendo.

Nintendo are very tight when it comes to derivatives or copies of their work. While other developers are happy to allow, or even totally embrace this form of art, Nintendo do not.

From what I have seen, the Breath of the Wild modding community looks really cool. The playable Zelda mod in particular is awesome. People who love a game and invest their time in producing their own spin-off ideas from it are great.

Lot of great developers and great games came from the art of game mods.

DOTA 2, Portal, DayZ, Counter-Strike, Chivalry, The Forgotten City, Team Fortress, and The Stanley Parable to name a few.

Anyone saying modding or modders aren't real gamers has no clue what they're talking about.