GTA Trilogy Could Be This Year's 'Cyberpunk 2077' As Rockstar Is Flooded With Refund Requests

Haven’t even bought the game in the first place and I don’t plan to anytime soon.

I just realised... Cyberpunk was a year ago. Doesn't seem that long at all...

I knew RockStar e would find a way to f@&” this up

@stinky_t same

@Jireland92 yeah, it’s bad on all platforms, not just Switch

@stinky_t Yeah... Totally agree.

Completely fair honestly. You paid for a product that isn't working as it should.

Im a bit disturbed by the amount of people who are actually defending this release.

Well Rockstar should think again when hiring fourth-rate mobile game devs for remastering some of the best games ever made

No. There was not years of hype surrounding this collection. What this is, is this year's Silent Hill HD collection. While hastily put together and popping up one day and then releasing quickly after that, it meant well, but many of it's changes actually make it a worse experience than the original games from the collection.
But yeah, plenty are wanting refunds, I get that, but to say this is on the same level as Cyberpunk 2077 would be to ignore all the history behind both releases.

It's such a stark contrast to how Nintendo can finish a game, polish it to high heaven and sit on it for months for the right release date.

...Meanwhile in the west they are pushing out games hot out the oven, half baked and with patches just to ACTUALLY finish it...smh

It's times like these I really appreciate Nintendo's "It will release when it's Finished" policy.

@Bizzyb You could argue even Nintendo pushes out games half baked these days in some cases. Sure, their games will rarely to never be buggy messes, but content wise they tend to be lacking until they start releasing free updates to finish the game. This is a far better approach than something like this GTA trilogy obviously which absolutely does appear to be one giant buggy mess but it's still an annoying approach by Nintendo, to be honest.

They've been painfully common since the early days of the PS4, with AssCred Unity being the gold standard of corporate greed and laziness imo

I keep saying this to hopefully help others, but every time we choose to buy launch titles, we run the risk of being part of the “paid beta testing.” Rockstar knows they can just patch this up, and they know people will compulsively purchase this game. So there is no incentive for them to put out something of stellar quality at launch.

The hype wasn't nearly as high but quality wise this port is not much better than Cyberpunk 2077, and crucially it was sold directly by Rockstar on PC. At first I thought it was to keep the cut Valve gets from Steam, but now I wonder if it was to avoid refunds. Of course, I'm sure Rockstar was blindsided by the DMCA violation, and it was pulled to thoroughly comb through the files for anything else compromising. The same pattern of withholding review codes until the last second and showing little gameplay definitely lines up with CP 2077 though.

@Bizzyb You think this practice only applies to western developers? Might want to look up a certain Final Fantasy MMO....

It seems like Rockstar have purposely misled people and I hope they are forced to give refunds to those who bought it.

The lesson is, never buy a game without reviews. Especially if there is a review embargo or pre order sale ending before the release date.

@duffmmann Journos seem keen to get their clicks from this one lol

@PeteW THIS. I am always like that whenever I buy a new game. I always wait for reviews

@Yosher For sure, though I have to wonder if that’s really just them holding back finished content so they can get headlines with free updates and keep the conversation on such games going for longer.

If only Western companies had the same integrity Nintendo has. I would like to think a planned patch or something is why the physical release got delayed...but then I would respect them less for releasing it digitally beforehand.

It’s absolutely not comparable to Cyberpunk by any means. Cyberpunk was new code. This is not. This is very much like the Silent Hill remasters in that it makes it not a straight forward question of being ‘better’ than the original rather than being an actual good remaster that improves on the original.

@anoyonmus @PeteW I’d agree with “never buy Day 1”, because reviewers have a long and storied history of running cover for developers, from PS3 Skyrim to Cyberpunk 2077. Gamers will definitely let you know, reviewers might.

You have the twin problems of 1) publishers having 1:1 direct relationships with review outlets so a bad review or two will cut off access, and 2a) metacritic.com doesn’t allow updates to reviews; the first score is locked in, plus 2b) many developers bonus on metacritic scores.

Both of those problems could be fixed: media outlets and youtubers could organize to secure review codes and the publishers have no idea who gets what, and if metacritic changed there policy, reviewers could punish publishers who release unfinished and buggy games and incentivize them to fix with higher scores.

So glad I waited for reviews. I really wanted to get this game. Not anymore.

Why not give it to Nightdive or another studio who has nailed switch ports?!

@Spiders you are spot on, most sites terrified to review this. Hardly any reviews in the wild for a massive game. Well done to NL for having the balls to do it.

Good. It's a ****ing disgrace all things considered (old game, rockstar funding it, first true GTA on Nintendo etc) and I hope those who spent their cash on it are able to either see through all it's faults or get their money back.

At least in this case there wasn't years of hype build up by false advertisement

@Zuljaras Absolutely Agree

Looks like a total mess on all platforms, will not be going anywhere near this.

@quinnyboy58 Because Rockstar didn't care. They already had a relationship with Grove Street which made them the most convenient company to hire for "remastering" these GTA games.

C'mon, it ain't that bad. I've put in hours without nary a bug or glitch or crash. Im enjoying it.
-Excerpt from my cyberpunk comment.

Here, now someone can use it for gta hd trilogy

@BloodNinja I agree. With that said, I can understand why many assumed that ps2 ports would be a walk in the park, slam dunk, etc. In some ways, I wonder if bad press about a terribly optimized release is a marketing strategy at this point. Cyberpunk still sold like crazy and I don’t think that game was purposely that crummy, they just ran out of time. With this trilogy, I’m actually wondering what the heck is going on here. I wonder if this will push GTA 5 sales up for a bit. I certainly wouldn’t be surprised.

Oh damn!

We have quotes from 3 or 4 random Twitter nobodies, we got a major story here folks!!

@KillerBOB You click on these stories and leave comments on them. Reviews for this game are terrible, there’s another story you can complain about.

Should have delayed the launch but as always getting those Christmas sales to satisfy the shareholders was more important than a functional game. Battlefield 2042 is also a complete mess.

Zelda is the only title I’ll buy at launch, regardless of platform. I know it’ll work, and it’s not worth waiting on a mediocre sale. Plus, my backlog is preposterous.

@anzzjam

My comments aren't the basis for articles though 🤡

The original founders would have never allow the games to release in this state. R* are on a worrying downturn imo.

They are impressively bad ports considering how these are essentially 20 year old PS2 games by now. I have played PS2 ports on my Switch before and they always seemed to play great. How they can take games like this and make them perform so poorly, well, quite frankly it's impressive. I mean on the Switch they would have been far better off just porting over the 10'th anniversary editions of these games that they released on android/iOS. I have one of those on a Nvidia Shield handheld, which is similar to the Switch, and it runs and looks great.

If I had bought this digitally on the Switch I would definitely be asking for a refund right now. I am just glad that I had the physical edition pre-ordered since that was very simple to cancel.

Word to Nintendo, do not give in to crying fanboys , take your time with metroid Prime 4, and Bayonetta 3, if they do not come out for another 5 years, then that is fine with me, take your time with all your games. Like the great Myamoto , said a delayed game can be good, but a bad game can be bad forever. Take your time on all your games, I can wait for a great product.
That is the problem with so many companies these days, rushing an unfinished game out the door just to quiet down some cry bag fans, who keep whining about when is the game coming out. Well here you go, this is what you get. It took almost 5 years for Atlus to bring out Shin Megami Tensei V. 5 years players cried where is it? And thankfully Atlus IGNORED them. Took there time and made a great game.
So many gamers today have no patience, none, and you end up getting games like cyber punk and GTA trilogy. So my advice to all companies that make games, IGNORE THE WHINING FANS, take as long to make a game as you want. Nintendo does, and we get games like, Zelda BOTW, Super Mario Odyssey, Fire Emblem 3 houses , Mario Party Superstars, Smash bros. Ultimate, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, ASTRO CHAIN , and the list goes on. So yeah , gamers want a game one month after it is announced or the whining starts, that the game is dead, it is never coming out, and so on, well like I said IGNORE THEM, take your time. People need to grow up and start having patience, which do you want ? Cyber punk and GTA TRILOGY, or do you want BOTW, and Mario odyssey? I Think I made my point. BE PATIENT GAMERS, GREAT GAMES TAKE TIME TO MAKE.

I keep thinking when will people finally learn not to pre-order games. GTA Trilogy had red flags all over it. No gameplay trailer before release was a clear indication something was wrong.

@mariopartyfan68 Well Said!!!

I remember fanboys sending death threats to CDPR for delayed Cyberpunk 2077 again.

@dojmin eh I don't pre order games. That is why I am waiting for reviews.

Currently I am waiting on review for Pokemon BDSP and Danganronpa even though I know the games haven't come out yet (although Danganronpa came out for Switch in Japan already)

I’m not going to repeat the ‘don’t buy on day one’ mantra, as it is obvious enough and it’s something I don’t do as a rule, ever since pre-ordering Sonic 2 on Game Gear back in 1992 and it turning out to be significantly worse than the original (not the Mega Drive version, that’s ace!)

Actually I do feel really sorry for people who did get this day 1; with a brand new game you always run the risk of it not living up to the hype and being disappointed (see above), but with games as old as these, combined with some excellent remasters we have seen over the years (Halo Anniversary on Xbox 360 is a good example) you’d think it would be a safe bet to buy something like this even at full price for an updated shot of nostalgia. Sadly the complete lack of pride taken in ports like this undermines the simple pleasure of being able to revisit a bit of the past with some quality of life improvements. I’m glad I’ve still got the discs and my old PS2 to play them on, even if it is through RGB on a CRT to get a semi-decent picture out of the old

@anoyonmus Yeah the whole Cyberpunk situation is one of those things where the gaming media was hyping it up to impossible levels and gamers were demanding they release the game ASAP and were throwing incredible fits at the delays.

The the game turns out to be a buggy mess and all those people suddenly pretend like they weren't hyping it at all or making any demands period. What a joke gamers have become.

@JayJ exactly. That is why I waited for reviews. Also I did buy MH Rise on day 1 but that is because I saw the review before hand purchased it. NL is in UK while I am in USA so NL gets the game way before I do because of time difference so that is how I know whether to get the game or not.

One thing not talked about enough (understandably because this is a Nintendo site) is that the problems with GTA Trilogy rendered other Rockstar games completely unplayable for most of yesterday (on PC).

Rockstar PC games require online activation before they can be played (presumably just the first time) and that was not working at all. I had wanted to go back to GTA V for a bit but couldn't even start the game because of the issues on their server.

This kind of DRM is horrible in general (internet connection needed for an offline single player game is disgusting) but it also points to much bigger issues with the trilogy release. It's more than just bad graphics and framerate. It's a really shoddy product and it's bizarre to see people defend it so much.

Been playing SA all day and despite the issues it does play and look better then the PS2 classic version so i'm happy, my issue is the choppy framerate what hopefully they can sort out. Granted i'm playing the PS5 version not Switch but overall with SA at least i'm ok and had a ton of fun today with it.

@larryisaman It honestly wouldn't surprise me. The more the game gets advertised the better it sells. And adding frequent updates allows them to keep the game in the spotlights.

"Florida Men and Women Ruin Beloved Games by Introducing Bugs, Typos"

One of the worst remasters ever made. The games just look ugly in Unreal Engine, and have lost so much of the visual / artistic style of the PS2 games. In some ways this is actually worse than Cyberpunk, because they're trying to replace the originals with these horrid remasters. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the Crowbcat video on this at least.

Has Pushsquare and PureXBox reviewed their versions of the game yet? Like others have mentioned, other platforms are being suspiciously slow with this.

@Flashlink99 what is everyone at Rockstar games doing? For a whole gen they released one game and supported a last gen game and now we are another gen on and they outsourced this….. haha. I wanna work there. Easy street.

Absolutely delicious.

I hope the "physical" releases tank and Rockstar take a good hard look at themselves.

I unfortunately bought this on day one, I'll not get a refund in the hope that they patch it up and improve on it. Tbh I'm too busy playing Animal Crossing 2.0 to play it anyways

The things people are complaining about don't make sense. Like people complain about cars appearing in front of you. If they changed this it would completely ruin the game. The ability to turn the camera around to change visible cars is a lifesaver when it comes to the import export side mission. And yeah they COULD have changed this. But I for one am glad they didn't. It's like... you have people complaining about Mario 64 not having the backwards long jump glitch. It'd be like that but tenfold. This game is warts in tact. That's what they decided on and I'm glad for it.

I've seen good reviews online for the game, no one says it's perfect and the Switch version sounds like it has the most problems. I don't like games being released "broken" or with "major issues" but I'm sure it will be fixed in a month or two.

Oooooh boy
looks like this one will win the golden sh*t award instead of Balan Wonderworld.

@JayJ that’s ridiculous. The spin you have put on that. Games that are rushed out and buggy are not the consumer or the fault of the media else all games would be in the same state. They hyped Cyberpunk as being the best game ever; they made bold claims about the world and story…

Don’t defend these companies

@mariopartyfan68 STOP BLAMING FANS and STOP USINGS CAPS.

@GrailUK hahaha. Nice one. Oh you weren’t joking. Apologies.

Its astonishing how devs/publishers can get away with releasing broken products. this 'patch on release' bs must stop.

gamers need to start voting with their wallets.

@rawzeku
As far as I've seen, most of those people "defending" it just happen to enjoy it despite the issues. I'm fully on board with the criticism that Rockstar and this release deserve, but I'm still having fun playing it all the same.
It's kind of a headache the amount of times people have told me to try and refund this when I'm just having a good time.

@anoyonmus thanks, I know, gamers should grow up. And realize it takes time to make a game. Sad ro think they send death threats over a game. What's the world coming to?

@Stocksy Well, I'll admit to talking broadly. But for all the '3D All Stars is a lazy port' comments, as a fan of all 3 games, they were spot on. Now granted, I'm not as much of a GTA fan as you (?) soo I don't get the hoohah but folk certainly seem miffed around these parts. More akin to me being miffed at Monkey Target on the recent Monkeyball remake. So SEGA aren't exactly bathed in glory. But Nintendo I haven't really ever had a problem with. And I'm not saying that because I'm a fan...I'm a fan because I haven't had a problem (if you get me.)

@anzzjam Good point about the marketing strat for bad press, you could very well be onto something with that.

@Stocksy sorry but I do have to agree with @mariopartyfan68. Gamers nowadays are very impatient. Gamers were begging Nintendo to show BOTW 2 and Bayonetta 3 despite Nintendo and PlatinumGames not ready to show. Nintendo goes silent like so many times because they want to make a good product that many people enjoy and because of that it paid off for them.

Gamers are wanting updates on Genshin Impact Switch port and Mihoyo hasn't said anything about it. I used to think it was because it was cancelled or shifted to cloud but the more I think about it, I think it is because Mihoyo wants to take their time on the port which is why we haven't heard anything from them. Its the same situation with the Doom Eternal Switch port.

Also @mariopartyfan68 can use all CAPS if he wants. It is his choice and he makes a point about what he said

@mariopartyfan68 No problem! I know what you said is true. Its terrible that companies do get death threats. I would rather have developers take their time on things.

The fact they removed the originals was already a red flag. Even EA/Bioware didn't do this for Mass Effect

@anoyonmus thank you, I am just a passionate person , I love video games and think people should not get upset over things like this.

Times like these make me happy I kept all my old systems and games. Probably will go back and play through Vice City on my PS2.

@mariopartyfan68 you're welcome and I do agree we shouldn't get upset over this

@Splodge why does DRM exist in the first place anyway? I am pretty sure GOG.com doesn't have that

@JayJ This is a case of don't fix what is not broken. They not only try to fix things for the better but they fix a lot of what should had never been fix that it ended up been broken in the process.

All the system providers are going to allow refunds, and then they’re going to take their money back from Rockstar. As for PC… they better start allowing refunds or else things are going to get really bad.

The bigger a company gets, the greedier the millionaire upper-management b@stards become.

@Gwynbleidd Mario Golf Super Rush?

Idk, there aren't a whole lot of half baked games from Nintendo because around 98% of the time, Nintendo releases good and quality titles

At this point, it probably would've been better to get an upscaled port of a console port of a mobile port.

@Splodge That DRM issue still exist for Doom and Doom II on consoles as well. On Switch you can't even play Doom or Doom II unless you had a link Switch online account. Just creating a new Switch account offline won't allow you to play either of the game at all. For some reason Doom 3, Doom 64, and Doom 2016 aren't affected and plays just fine even with an offline account. Bethesda needs to stop screwing around with the original two Doom games cause even the physical release had this DRM issue.

Its rockstars arrogance to say this franchise can last another 70 years. it won't last another 70 days without the respect of consumers

Metroid Prime is sat there bug free and ready to go laughing hilariously at this!

Cyberpunk 2077 was at least a super ambitious new release that tried to push the boundaries of technology while being stuck on PS4/XBO hardware. While the game ultimately failed to live up to the hype and was a buggy mess at launch across the board, you can at least see some of that ambition when playing the game on a high-end PC.

The GTA Trilogy is a collection of remasters of 17 to 20 year-old games. This game should be running flawlessly on all platforms (from 4K 60 FPS on PS5 to 1080p docked/720p undocked 30 FPS on Switch).

It may be overpriced, but Skyward Sword HD is a considerably better remaster than this. At least Nintendo/Tantalus put in the effort to make it an actual "definitive edition" over the original.

@anoyonmus I haven't bought it yet and I want a refund

It's still selling and Rockstar might not cave and grant refunds

I'm glad there's a backlash against this practice of releasing buggy unfinished games and patching them later. I'd much rather a game was delayed than that.

I'm glad they are having to refund. They delivered a ***** product, people answers. Consumers are not stupid (mostly XD).

@anoyonmus Mario Golf lacks content, but at least is polished XD

@Bizzyb In fairness, the Western developers Nintendo uses for games tend to do great work. LM3, Dread, and dozens of other Western made games for Nintendo on previous systems were airtight.

@Gwynbleidd Mostly the Mario sports games released on Switch. Particularly Mario Tennis and Golf. But there's also Kirby Star Allies and Animal Crossing which felt unfinished with content at launch. Super Mario Party never got anything added aside from proper online functionality but that one feels unfinished too. Could argue Splatoon 2 as well.

All these games got more content (or in the case of Mario Party, just extra online support) down the line to make them feel more finished, and you could absolutely argue this was because Nintendo wanted to get them out ASAP so they just made the bare essentials with just some small extras and added the rest later. Some being worse cases than others. I'd say Splatoon was the best of the bunch, with the Mario sports titles being the worst offenders. They were all very much functional games at launch with only few bugs if any, but the amount of content was just.. not great, ergo, unfinished.

Rockstar cashgrab! never trust them anymore! since they pulled individual GTA games from store! Thank god I did not rush to get this DEFINITELY ***** edition! boy I'm glad!

By the way people before you start making judgements against rockstar lets not forget who owns them(cough)TakeTwo(cough) whos known to screw up their games by rushing them out and of course shoving lootbox crap into their sports games.

I think these will turn ok. I never expected them to be much more than the ability to play these games again. They seem simplified but the content is still there. Honestly though, the 360 release of San Andreas was better and that was a port of the phone version so I dunno. Bloodstained gave me faith that games released can be very different than the final product and I kinda enjoyed playing through all the changes. I’m curious to see how this all plays out. Switch is my favorite current platform, but I got San Andreas free on gamepass so I’ll be watching the updates.

@Muddy_4_Ever especially panic button.

2021 and these triple A companies can't even do 20 year old ports correctly.

Good work voting with your wallets on remasters/remakes as what people want more of, because this sure won't be the last cash grab we see from this unfortunate fad.

Gamers on PC can't even play the game yet. And this is why they removed all those mods for? Shameful.

Once again Modders and pirates get a better deal than paying customers.

@UglyCasanova

Remasters by themselves aren't the problems. It is the shameless and lazy cash crabs like Warcraft 3, Sonic Colors, and this one that are the issue.

@Muddy_4_Ever isn’t Retro Studios also a Western developer

I didn’t think this could be possible, but I find the practise of releasing games before they’re finished dirtier than the girl in the GTA picture.

This game is awesome. It’s so much better than the originals.
I think if you grew up playing the originals you would like this.
I don’t even know what people are complaining about or if they even own the game and have played it or they just weed out small bugs people have found in the game.
The originals were buggy too. They are no better.
I don’t understand what people expected. The game is like 20 yrs old. If you don’t like it then don’t play it.
play gta 5 or wait for 6. This was never going to be state of the art gameplay and graphics.
Every game release I just see people having a sad lol.
It’s just a game. Buy it or don’t buy it. People will buy what they want and have “fun”. Yes not nitpick a game but actually have “fun”. If you think it sucks or is boring then go keep searching for a game that makes you satisfied.
So many people are all like, but does it run at 60fps 4K. Omggg it has couple of bugs it’s broken let’s boycott waaaaaaahhh lol. Personally I don’t care, I’ll just play it and if I don’t like it I won’t buy it anymore but I’m not that fussy like 80% of gamers now days.

I was horrified when I found out that they used AI to scan in all the textures leading to all of the typos in street signs. If it takes several months to hire someone to clean up all the artwork for an HD release, do it! That way you can sell it for the next several decades in perfect form.

I genuinely couldn't see a worse launch ever of a modern game like what happened to Cyberpunk, but color me amazed with this GTA definitive cr*p...

This collection was absolute garbage. I speedrun the games and I have a passion for them and yet I hate seeing them butchered here. Terrible frame rates, input lag is a huge problem, I encountered numerous game breaking bugs where missions refused to continue and I had to reload the game. The graphics look like play dough mixed with a blur effect in Docked mode, just unbearable. I've found numerous graphics glitches too. I can't believe they screwed this all up this badly.

@Mrpiccolo you are either extremely lucky with your copy, or ironically, have a rose-nostalgia tinted glasses that won't let you see the many flaws this trilogy has.

Oh! And welcome to NLife 😁

@duffmmann I love and own the Silent Hill HD Collection on PS3.. it got a patch after release all them years ago that fixed the issues.

@RiasGremory Gor a heart just for Rias big badonkers 😅

Why this GTA trilogy is garbage.

Rain in GTA Trilogy: Definitive Edition

vs.

Rain in Super Mario Odyssey

GTA trilogy rains like falling milk whereas Super Mario Odyssey rains realistically. This is unacceptable Rockstar.

In the days before online updates, a top tier title had to hit the market and, you know, run.
Rockstar can be the worst. They make great story campaign titles, but generally (insert game title) Online is a buggy mess. Usually not the case with the GTA franchise, that's their cash cow and they lavish it with content. But their Red Dead Online is seriously neglected and mostly a joke.
Now it seems the same low quality effort they put into RDR Online is making its way into GTA, and that's a seriously bad sign.

Honestly, the bulk of modern gaming has become more and more disappointing with each new generation. This is why I have no interest in next gen hardware and can count the number of big-budget releases I buy in a year on one hand. At least people aren't simping for these lazy ass developers and publishers nearly as hard as they used to and are actually stepping up to hold them accountable for peddling out garbage.

Said it once and said it again the real deal is usually in the indie scene nowadays.

@DiscoDriver44
“Cash grab” They own it, people want to buy it, so sell it. It’s not a labor of love now and it never was.

This is much ado about nothing. A lot of the complaints around here make it seem like a lot of you were born yesterday.

@WallyWest I'm playing Vice City on Switch and despite a choppy framerate at times when driving at speed, its more than playable. I've just taken out Diaz to get the mansion in the middle of the map and I've had no problems completing any missions due to performance and thankfully that rain effect isn't quite as pronounced on Switch

@JustMonika Maybe this collection could receive similar patches down the line.

So the games FINALLY come to a Nintendo console and this is what we get.. LOL.

Absolute shambles

This is nothing close to Cyberpunk. At a fundamental level Cyberpunk is broken. For GTA the fundamentals are great, it's just that the presentation and polish isn't there. Also, they didn't hype it up or lie to us, they just were restrained in their marketing. It's a shame, but it's not a scam.

@mariopartyfan68
I agree that most fans are too impatient, but this trilogy remaster wasn't announced a long time ago. There were no fans that were impatiently complaining. This is just a matter of a company that doesn't have the care or consideration to deliver a refined game.

it's a port what did you expect

@Specter_of-the_OLED Why are you comparing what's pretty much a PS2 game to a Switch game. Mario's rain doesn't look as good as Red Dead 2's rain so Nintendo please do better.

I honestly think people expected to much hear it’s one thing remastering something like crysis from the Xbox 360 to switch it’s not to far in technical ability of the system but porting a game from 20 years it’s never goner be perfect and how it runs I find is how it did 20 years ago and if you change that you ruin the games I’m sorry but they are perfect yeah mabye sort the frame rate drops but hey the original had the same problem

I wouldn't mind a refund but I won't get one, obviously

@Mrpiccolo. You know what’s worse than complainers? Corporate defenders. Nobody is criticizing the games, it’s the re-release. By all accounts they are significantly worse than the originals.

@Klump_Soul: they were restrained in their marketing.

Rockstar: definitive edition

I don't have the game yet myself, and might not due to this drama. It is about time that we decided to stop accepting buggy, unpolished ports. This just isn't acceptable anymore. You can't release a game, especially one for $60, have all of these issues and then just decide to patch it later after it is already available to the masses. This has become the norm for so many big companies and I am glad gamers are taking a stand against it. Are they blowing it out of proportion? Who knows, I can't give an opinion since I haven't played it, but if the issues mentioned above are true, then this messy launch could help bring a welcome change to the game industry and let the big companies know that we aren't going to put up with a lackluster launch. Especially for games that are from the PlayStation 2 era!

I really wanted to like this so called definitive edition..but it is garbage..and just not fun to play. maybe after all this backlash patches will help..idk
and I liked the mass effect remaster trilogy and and I had no big issues with cyberpunk..

@Adamn A version that has less bugs and graphical glitches than it did 20 years ago?

If that's not too much to ask for...

@Spiders
In some ways this is the definitive edition. The improvements they made to modernising the controls like the weapon selection wheel, gyro aiming and button mapping make the game so much more playable. Vehicle controls have also improved. It's a mixed bag for sure, but there is some good here. Obviously it's not definitive as there are missing songs. I finished GTA3 and had a great experience. I think the negativity is overblown, but there is nothing wrong with demanding better from these companies.

@meltendo You realize that these games are massive and the reason they cut corners was because they didn't have a massive budget. These games were never going to appeal to the mass market unless they were remade completely. Rockstar hasn't made a new GTA in 8 years. They don't care about this trilogy or crafting new single player experiences because GTA5 online will make them more money in a few months.

@Klump_Soul I'm glad you're getting a lot of fun out of it, and have a more tempered take than most, but we have to be honest... "definitive" is, well, definitive. You can't be definitive in some ways and not in others. They could have called it "Grand Theft Auto Collection", for example.

@Spiders
I agree, it's just a dumb marketing term. Square Enix did the same thing with Dragon Quest 11, calling it definitive after downgrading the graphics so it would run on the Switch. It's just to get people to buy the game again if they already own it.

@Mrpiccolo this is bull****, I still own the originals on ps2 and never encountered all these issues. Also, I tried to give Rockstar a feedback on their web and it’s a loop that doesn’t lead anywhere! So they just dont give a crap, just wanted to make us feel like they are resolving it. I encountered these issues and more: a) random texture appearing duplicated on a wall where it shouldn’t be-like second gate texture on a wall that flickers. B) helicopter lights passing through tunnels-when a helicopter followed me and I couldn’t hide from it even in places where I couldn’t be followed C) shadows of a car multiplied under the car in low res- had like three shadows behind the car that flickered D) the worst is the frame rate- because it’s difficult to sometime control the car that way! E) the day/night cycle creates shades that operate like clock work- few moments later a shade moves like 2m on. F) cars and subject appearing and disappearing at a really close range-sometime if I drive fast, a car appears out of nowhere and I crash, which is terrible. G) sometime I would hit a car, and if it rode across a hill, it would start floating in the air for a while. H) shadows pop in just almost next to the character.I) random sphere light source effect stuck on cars. J) some buildings gave out a huge glare that made me see nothing- like the building would become a gigantic mirror, and for a few seconds an entire street became snow white! And all these things are not all! They should feel ashamed for releasing games in such condition! Atrocious Practice, and even worse for a big company like Rockstar!!!!!

@Znake do not confuse Rocksteady with Rockstar

@Klump_Soul You got a point. Rockstar dropped the ball badly on this.

@Savage_Joe Thanks for the correction. Anyway, Rockstar outsourced a third party-which worked for them for quite some time, and they used Rockstar IP and Brand, it’s Rockstars damn responsibility to oversee work that’s being done for them, and Rockstar chose this third party!!!! You think if you are a boss of a company and your graphic designer miss-spells something on the company web- the boss can say: it not my fault, the it was the graphic designer! Please learn and point fingers, because many years ago-if a game game released, it was complete. Now with internet and after launch patches they don’t have a shame to release something that’s half cooked and we pay full price?! No WAY! We can’t send an astronaut to space and tell him after departure: btw, there is a new system, but we will fix it if it causes trouble! People today are getting lazier and less responsible, and we need to tell them that this practice is not acceptable!

This Trilogy is no-where near being in the state that Cyberpunk was. All 3 games are vastly improved with a few frame rate issues hear and there, no of which are game breaking.
Also, Cyberpunk was a AAA title with a huge budget and massive development time, there was no excuse for that mess. GTA Trilogy on the other hand just needs a few small updates to sort the frame rate and it's good.

@Klump_Soul The DQXI downgrade on Switch was appropriate to the hardware, and the game also made its way to other platforms... it IS the definitive release everywhere you can find it.

I agree it’s marketing nonsense, but remember you were defending Rockstar’s restraint, as if saying “Definitive Edition” is not a bold claim and promise to the consumer.

Again, I’m glad you are enjoying it — as many people did with Cyberpunk as well.

@Spiders You said "You can't be definitive in some ways and not in others."

Websters: Something definitive is complete and final. A definitive example is the perfect example.

When they designed Dragon Quest for the PS4 they made the best possible version they could. Then they downgraded for the switch. In terms of graphics, the PS4 version is definitive (the perfect example of their vision for the graphics). In terms of soundtrack the Switch version is definitive.

I know it's not the perfect example, but GTA definitive edition has improvements (GPS, targeting, weapon selection) that are definitive, yet other aspects (rain, fog, framerate) that are not.

@Spiders
When I said they were restrained in their marketing I was referring to them showing a short video without any gameplay very close to launch. Compared to Cyberpunk, which hyped it up for several years with Keanu Reeves, 40 minute contrived gameplay footage, false claims about game features.

Compared to Cyberpunk (the point of this article) their marketing was restrained.

@Bizzyb so you're saying it took them 20 years to fix the game? ..that is still bugged?