Time flies when you're having fun, and it feels like the arrival of the Nintendo Switch Online + Expansion Pack is catching up on us rather quickly. It was only recently announced in the September Nintendo Direct for 'late October', with Nintendo 64 and SEGA Genesis / Mega Drive games being added to the line up.
It'll be an optional extension to the standard NSO membership and, as a result, will have an extra cost. It also came back into our minds today with the welcome news that European subscribers will have the option of 60Hz versions of the N64 games, albeit limited to English language.
As a reminder of what we'll be getting in the new collections, below are the confirmed launch line-ups and 'future titles' to date:
N64 Launch titles:
- Super Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Star Fox 64, Yoshi's Story, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, WinBack: Covert Operations, Mario Tennis, Dr. Mario 64, Sin & Punishment
N64 Future releases:
- The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, Mario Golf, Pokémon Snap, F-Zero X, Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards, Paper Mario, Banjo-Kazooie, Custom Robo (Japan only), Custom Robo V2 (Japan only)
Sega Genesis / Mega Drive Launch titles:
- Castlevania: Bloodlines, Contra: Hard Corps, Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine (Puyo Puyo - Japan), Ecco the Dolphin, Golden Axe, Gunstar Heroes, M.U.S.H.A., Phantasy Star IV, Ristar, Shining Force, Shinobi III, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Streets of Rage 2, Strider
Across the two systems the Expansion Pack will therefore have 22 games at launch in North America / Europe, with another seven N64 games confirmed to be on the way (while more unannounced N64 and Mega Drive / Genesis games are likely in the future). If it works the same way as the current subscription and apps, it may also be possible to download the Japanese version of the app (from the eShop on a non-NSO Japanese user login) to play the 'Japan-only' games on a Western account, but we'll test this at launch.
The question is, how much do you think we should pay?
Below, as a reminder, are the default prices for the current membership which includes NES and SNES libraries, cloud saves, access to online gaming and member-only games like Tetris 99.
- 1 Month - $3.99USD / €3,99 / £3.49
- 3 Months - $7.99USD / €7,99 / £6.99
- 12 Months - $19.99USD / €19,99 / £17.99
- Family Membership (12 months for up to 8 accounts) - $34.99USD / €34,99 / £31.49
The Expansion Pack will unsurprisingly offer less overall, as it simply adds Nintendo 64 and SEGA Genesis / Mega Drive libraries, with all other parts of NSO being in the default service (as far as we know — there could be other as-yet unrevealed details). Nintendo will be introducing this new 'membership plan' that bundles the standard NSO subscription with the expansion pack, which will either be an option to buy from scratch or to upgrade from existing memberships.
We're interested in what you think, so let us know in the polls and comments how much Nintendo should charge for the extra platforms and games. The prices in the poll ask how much should be added to the existing annual NSO price for the Expansion Pack content; yes, you can say 'free' if you really want to.
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$10 increase to $30 a year.
I’d love $5 but I’m seeing $10 as more likely. Anything more than that and it won’t be an easy sell for me.
I'll just hack the switch at this point and install emulators. This is silly.
There shouldn't be any additional prices for this. :/
Especially Genesis...wtf?
I feel like 10$ or 15$ is ok, but even thats pushing it. there emulated games that I could go play on my computer right now, And you want to charge me how much?
This should be included with wat we allready pay.
Nintendo didnt support the ness and sness enough for me to pay more for a few n64 games.
Only for sega, or others who join (neogeo, arcade erc) for that i would pay extra, i would even be trowing money at my tv lol.
But this is why people keep emulating.
$5 more is fair
NSO is bad value, so adding a premium tier is making a bad deal worse.
I'd like it to be $1 per month or $5 annually, but I expect double that.
I mean, the cheaper the better. It's still cheaper than PS Plus which I mostly use for 1 or 2 games online, and haven't played a free monthly release in ages. At least for this I'm comfortable with up to $20 annually for the set of good games. (Mostly because I was a week away from buying most of them on the Wii U eShop, so this is really a cost savings for me.)
Paying for games I won't own is still a hard pill for me to swallow. I may not subscribe for N64. They took so long. I think I'm over retro gaming.
I can't see it being less than $10. Part of me thinks it'll be $15.
To summarise my thoughts in very brief paragraphs:
-Extra £5-£10? I can live with that.
-Extra £15? Starting to push it.
-Extra 20? They can go f*ck themselves.
Knowing Nintendo though and how stingy they can be, I wouldn't put it past them to make the expansion pass an extra £30.
15 dollars extra a year MAX
It’s 24.99 in Canuck dollars, so another 9.99 is what I’m expecting. If it’s 14.99 instead, I might still be inclined to go for it, but would hope that Nintendo is pretty aggressive in getting more n64/genesis titles within next year.
the sega games are worthless, given that they're already available on every platform via the various mega collections and ages series.....
Expecting a $10 increase, which I would be fine with. N64 were $10 on Wii and Wii U, so it makes sense.
10 dollars would be fine, but it depends a lot on how Nintendo handles releases in the long term. Between N64 games being a bigger deal per game for me, and Genesis games being stuff I've largely avoided (and Sega being on board, unlike 3rd parties with actual popular or beloved NES/SNES games), it should be an easier sell for me than NSO itself. I'm just not sure how much other people will agree and how much this will work in the long run (there's only so many N64 games that have any chance of being on this).
I'm expecting this to bump up another £18, exactly double of the original sub, to £36
And I'll be one of the muppets who accepts it because I want to play my favourite N64 games handheld.
Friendly reminder that Switch Online is $20 per year. That's less than the price of a full game, for 365 days of online.
So if they up the price to $30 per year, that wouldn't be so bad.
But I wouldn't pay extra just for Nintendo 64 games with antiquated control layouts, when I could just play them through TotallyLegitimateEmulation™ methods.
£4 extra a year personally. An increase but not massive.
I’d rather just pay £6/7 a pop for the N64 games I actually want to play (very small number) and “keep” them than pay extra on top of my current subscription. If it’s a quid extra then OK, but go beyond that and they’re inching close to the standard monthly Game Pass price of £7.99 and that gives you access to brand new AAA games, not just older titles. That’s pretty pathetic in comparison. Standard Game Pass doesn’t get you online too, sure; but let’s not pretend NSO as an online service is any better than Wii U online which was entirely free
how much it "should" cost is a different question than whats a "fair" price for it.
im expecting the cost for the individual sub will be 15-20 $/€ and for the family sub 25-35 $/€
Realistically, Nintendo would have it be a $10 per year increase, which is fine by me.
@dustinprewitt
I think Musha is the only that doesn’t commonly show up in collections.
Other than that, the most recent collection on PS4. XBONE, and Switch have all of those Genesis games.
I’m hoping considering the current £17.99 which is barely noticeable that it will be a modest few more pounds, if it’s anymore than £10-15 then I think it might annoy people
+$10/annually is my preferred add-on pricing.
To the people complaining about the pricing: don't buy it?
"Apart from free." Oh. This is not the poll for me.
Should be included already but I would pay no more than $1 more a year for it. But this is Nintendo, they are going to charge $14.99 more a year and advertise it as "For less than 15 bucks more a year you can...."
Then they will list out all the games and pull some cost of each game individually from somewhere and try and justify the cost. I'm just about done with consoles and their prices these days. I'd rather just stick to PC games and get things on sale and skip specific games all together.
It should just be £3 max, but going by the number of suckers here who are prepared to pay more, it looks like Nintendo will go for $7-10.
We all know it's going to be 9.99$, even thought I wish it was 4.99$
$10 more annually would be a pretty fair deal, and Mario 64 would (sort of) justify it alone for me.
I expect and am fine with $9.99.
5 or 10 bucks more would be fine, 20 or more would just be taking unfair advantage of their customers honestly
I say it will be 5,99€ a month, 9,99€ for 3 months and 29,99€ for a year.
I'm in the $5-10. That's still minor enough for a whole year subscription that it wouldn't bother me. Any more than that, and I'd be pretty bothered.
I think it will ultimately depend on how much more Nintendo has planned to add. If down the road they add the likes of the Turbografx/PC Engine, Master System, maybe even the Saturn, then it should become more and more worth it.
I bought a Razer Kishi to emulate this and many more on my phone, because imo this service is ridiculous, specially compared to the virtual console I happily used to pay for on my 3DS.
It is optional (unlike online access from basic NSO for some games) so the price doesn't concern me too much. If it is an extra 20 a year I will pay it since I would have paid that much for each of the 2 zelda games it will be bringing. Cheaper would be fine too of course; more than 20 would be stretching it without additional features.
If it is 20 I hope they add GBA in a year and/or have more/regular game trials. Something more 'modern' like picking 1 free indie game from a list every so often would be nice too (like the free books from Prime) though I doubt they would do that.
Even if the price doubled to £40 a year, it would still be peanuts for the service at £1.40 , pretty sure it will end up at £30 a year.
With Sega classics collection that contains 50 games for 30 bucks, it’s harder to want to justify the Sega games here. And Nintendo doesn’t want people to own digital purchases anymore with the older games and would rather have fans rent instead. I would rather have the option to buy a couple of these individually for $5 to $7 a piece.
@Angelic_Lapras_King Dreamcast support would be AMAZING. Sonic Adventure 1/2 on the go!
@WoomyNNYes I probably will subscribe, but I agree with you. Life is short and there are so many modern games that I am enjoying.
anything more than $10 a year needs more than n64 and Genesis
I can just buy the sega genesis collection
they need to strike a deal for those arcade archives games.
$8 seems like to much
£10 a year is acceptable, especially with the online multiplayer.
I think you've got your price point suggestions incorrect in the poll which makes it difficult.
To me the logical prices if we are dealing in GBP (and the current price point is £17.99) are:
£2.00 to bring it up to £19.99
£7.00 to bring it up to £24.99
£12.00 to bring it up to £29.99
I don't see it going higher than that.
At those price points I imagine the £7.00 being closer.
Obviously I'd like $5, but I assume it'll be $10. The value is far more in the N64 games than the Genesis games.
I'd be happy with $10/year for the content, but I'm expecting $15.
My question is: what's the pricing going to be for those of us who use the family bundle?
@Dman10 that collection is pretty bad though
@Dman10 Yeah, plus almost every game (except for two) is also on the Sega Genesis Mini...which I have.
5 pounds extra. Although I’m I happy with paying the minimum for nes/Snes tier as I only play switch games online and don’t really touch the nes/Snes app
I'd like to know the frame rates and resolutions before voting. If the N64 games either run at 60fps, or have the option to run at 60fps (and 720p or 1080p), then I would pay a LOT more for it. If they run at 20, 25, or 30fps then I'd pay a buck or two per year. It would be a dream to have all the old N64 games running and looking like Episode 1 Racer does on Switch. Those blurry texture maps and very low polygon models don't bother me a bit when a game looks sharp and runs perfectly smoothly.
10 bucks, bumping up NSO to 30 bucks a year. Which is still a steal.
@Munchlax why is it bad value?
£17.99 for a years sub to use the online servers and get a host of classic games plus the odd more premium game like Tetris 99 seems quite reasonable to me. Adding in N64 as well and potentially Gameboy in the future and keeping the cost sub £25 would also seem quite reasonable should it happen, that's a vast gaming library for those who are interested.
I'm expecting a $5-$10 increase from the normal subscription price but honestly they should at least give me a free trial for the first year of these to see if I like the new games or not.
@Dman10 agreed. The sega addition is a little weird when a lot of the games were already on Switch and they could have just sold DLC for the current collections or offered the games individually.
I think there is an appeal for younger gamers. My brother’s young kids have had a lot of fun exploring games on the NES and SNES minis (as well as the NSO titles). They are also huge Sonic fans because of the cartoons on YouTube. I think they will enjoy discovering N64 games and more Genesis titles.
Considering how much money Nintendo are swimming in for "providing" this mostly nonexistent "service", it should be included at no extra charge to incentivise more to join.
If anything, the expansion pass is only putting me off further as it is setting an awful precedent.
How quickly Nintendo forgets those who were faithful during their more troubling times.
I would imagine Nintendo will gather data for how many N64 games the average person buys a year (maybe use VC data?) (and don't panic enthusiasts, that figure is always way lower than you think!) tack on a couple of games and make that the annual charge.
Well that's what Microsoft did with Gamepass...
No idea. Another $20 a year would be amazing. $30 would still be reasonable...but when have we ever been reasonable. If it's lower than this, then I'll just find myself wondering what folk are moaning about!
Bring back the Virtual Console
@Specter_of-the_OLED When NSO first came out they gave a free year along with certain game purchases ( like smm2 I think which needed online). It would be nice if they did something like that here too.
$8.99 but I wouldn’t go a penny more than $7.99
Increasing the price by $4.99 (or just free) is what most of us want but I see Nintendo going the $9.99 route. I'm hype cause it gives me convenient access to N64 games on my Switch. The only question is, why did they wait SOOO LONG to give us this D:
Don't expect any less than $20 on top of the single and $15 on top of that for family plans. Nintendo clearly regrets adding SNES for free, so expect them to make up for that with N64 and Genesis.
I would've said 5.99 USD. An extra dollar isn't even worth the effort for Nintendo but going up to 9.99 is way too big a hike for what they're offering.
It's going to be €60 per year.
I put $5. I'll pay no more than $10...........maybe. N64 emulation is rough elsewhere so I'm willing to "pony up" to play these games with save states, etc.
I think paying for the Sega games is stupid but if it "comes with" the N64 stuff I guess that's okay. If we get Sonic 3 (& Knuckles) out of this, I'm going to be ecstatic.
Lot of cheapskates here. Money is exchanged for goods and services. An extra £18 a year, £1.50 a month, would be reasonable
The NSO price is a pretty good deal if you want to play those games and are against emulation. N64 sweetens the deal and I'd pay a little more for sure, but emulation is still more convenient and not limited in terms of games.
@BoostPower
Unless you only want to play just a couple of games, NSO is way cheaper. Additionally, you can try games, which you probably never would have bought/played and maybe discover a gem or two.
@NotSoCryptic
Or well...just use a PC
I think $15 per year is pretty acceptable for the games that are offered. Although I doubt I'm gonna get it since I really dislike the N64 era of games and nog really interested in the genenis/mega drive games.
@TheRedComet if sega really wanted to make it worth something, they should have added more games that were out of print and high demand, like pulseman, chakan, or crusader of centy. Its also been a while since I've seen Sonic 3 (and knuckles) available.
And Capcom? I'd rather see the NES version of Strider than the sega version.
@Turnips
What do you mean?
Really it should be part of the current subscription but I'll accept 5 bucks extra.
I have my original Genesis that I bought as a day one release with Altered Beast. Still works great! I highly doubt they're going offer games I don't already own, so I'm probably not going to get it. My son has an N64 and a ton of games too.
7,99e would be a fair price
Switch Online is horrible and should have been free. Charging extra money without fixing the laundry list of issues in the service is beyond ridiculous.
@Angelic_Lapras_King Yeah, I just want to see the weirder stuff show up at some point. I'd love for them to try and bring back C64 support, since that did briefly show up on the Wii VC, and while they're at it, bring a few other niche PC platforms, like the PC-98 and Sharp X68000. If they want to stick with consoles and handhelds only, I'd KILL for there to finally be some sort of Wonderswan rereleases, and I can always dream that we might someday get a 3DO service. There are so many choices here, so I hope that they don't just stick with the first party platforms and Genesis, unless they have to.
Honestly I still wish Nintendo would do a Nintendo 64 Mini/classic. I would so buy it. I play the heck out of the Sega Genesis Mini so I’m not excited for the Genesis games being added. Plus there’s the Genesis collection of 50 games already available that goes on sale from time to time. 5 or 10 dollar upgrade, any higher and I’m out.
Most n64 games I care about have either been remade or released on alternate platforms at this point. I'm failing to see why I should pay out extra at this point.
I see this expansion as sort of "virtual console". Granted we do not get to pick the games that go on it but it is covering more machines and maybe if this successful we might get some more. On the other side of this I HATE the N64 and the Genesis games that are being offered are ones that have been offered in nearly incarnation of a genesis "collection" or "mini". It's like those Atari Playback systems that @Games was making. It was always the same games with 1 or 2 new ones added. I will most likely pass on this myself but i will be expanding it on my daughter's system.
Think it will go up to £30 a year. Would be worth it if they added games on a consistent basis I'm an idiot and will pay it
Remember how much Nintendo charged for a single n64 game on Wii u. £8.99. With access to all these n64 games it’s not going to be cheap. I think there could be a lot of disappointment here.
Game Pass offers all 1st party games and so many AAA titles for free
PS Plus offers 2 PS4 and one PS5 game each month
Nintendo offers some games from a console that was released 25 years ago, anything more than 2 bucks/month is too much.
Free for everyone.
@kingbk yeah I would say that’s a good price.
Let's hope it's 5 now and another 5 when they add Game Boy, Master System and Gamecube (fingers crossed).
Ten to fifteen bucks more a year is worth it to me for N64 games, I don't ever play the games I get with PlayStation Plus and that service is 60 bucks normally, while I would actually play N64 games, I would love to.
Many of the commentors here spend hundreds of bucks/quids/whatever per year for video gaming and complain about 15-20 extra for a service they book within a blink.
I voted $10 extra a year because I think it’s the most likely scenario.
$5 increase would be the best case, but $10 increase seems like the realistic option. I don't think I would be willing to upgrade if it's more than $30 a year.
@NotSoCryptic I mean you can, but you’ll lose your online access for most of their games.
@Sinton this would be ideal.
Online should be free and they should bring the Virtual Console back; they can charge as much as they want for classic games, I don't care. The current service is simply bizarre.
Let’s be honest, they’re still ancient games. I figured an extra tenner per year. Or an extra £1 a month
I don't get it... why should it be free?
If its 10 bucks a year it means its not even 1 euro per month... even kids can effort this
@WoomyNNYes Do you use Netflix, Hulu or other streaming services? You pay more using those and don't own the movies. Could always pick up a used Nintendo 64 too.
I say make it $5/mth for regular memberships but free for the family membership.
^^^ That being said, this is of absolutely no interest to me.
@Turnips Nintendo of Europe said today that UK/EU will get 60hz for English language.
Nintendolife even reported it today.
Would you be playing in a different language? I think only then you'd have to play in 50hz
@Turnips You do know that that was disproved, right? It was a false rumour. NSO games are not going to be 50hz in PAL territories.
@alexybubble Those might be a little obscure but who knows, the Wii certainly made more people aware of the TurboGrafx.
Though im a poor college student, trained to scrape every penny i can from outgoing expenses I'll admit, nintendo would be fools to not take this opportunity.
Now, even with the n64 and genesis libraries, NSO would not be worth $60 a year. Not even Xbox live and playstation online is worth that much in my opinion. Nintendo has a far lead in price advantage, but also fewer, generally more expensive games that use online so its worth less from the get go.
Starting off, I'd say that after years of nes and snes games, these two libraries at least double the value of nso if you like these consoles, but seeing as to the consensus in the comments and the poll, I feel that would be rather foolish and drive away more buyers.
If you multiply $3.99 by 12, you will get $47.88, a 239% price increase from $19.99/12 months. $7.99x4 is $31.96, a 160% price increase, and 1 year of family is $34.99, 180% more than 1 year basic.
Now I voted $14.99 because thats my expectation of the price increase increase, but i'll calculate based on a $9.99 increase as i can still see the possibility of this option, but not $4.99.
Following this model, a $29.99 per basic 12 month plan would cost approx $5.99 per month for approx $71.80 per year, approx $11.99 per 3 months totaling $47.92 per year, and a family plan with the same conditions and terms as the current plan for approx $52.47 per year.
Like I said, I want to consider nintendos interests too, as if we all say it should be free, they'll most certainly dismiss any opinion we form. Whatever it it, barring a double or more increase, Im looking forward to playing Ocarina of time again.
$5-10 is what I'd expect. Anything more I'll have to re-consider.
Happy to pay the higher tier as long as they keep improving it.
Will probably get a 3 month pass at first as there are only 3 games in the initial lineup that I want to play.
If more quality N64 and maybe even Gamecube, Sega Saturn / Dreamcast games are added over the years, I will keep on renewing.
@Turnips literally reported today it's the 60Hz versions
I already own 3 N64 consoles, one still brand new, heaps of N64 controllers and all the Pal games ever released for it so I can pass on this.
Sometimes it pays to be a collector, I get to play them when I want and don't have to wait for Nintendo to drip feed them to me all for an extra fee.
@MichaelP That’s true, but at least I would like to be able to choose if I want the subscription model or I just want to buy the few games I want. In my case I just want to play Fzero X on the go and right now they force me to pay a subscription just for one game or two. Xbox has a subscription model but it’s completely optional because you can choose to buy the games. Subscription is not a bad thing, my issue is the lack of choice. I already own all of them on cartridge and I am not interested to explore them.
UK price is currently £17.99 for a yearly single subscription, so I think it will be £29.99 afterwards, a £12.00 increase..
Business wise keeping it just under £30 should help people accept the increased price..
However, knowing Nintendo they could increase it to £34.99... I hope not.
$1.99 per month or $8.52 for a 12 month plan or $10.32 a year for the family plan is fair.
If it was only the N64, I would ignore this entirely.
The only reason I am even remotely interested is because of the online multiplayer for Sega Genesis games.
Anything more than that and I will seriously have to consider if the value is worth it.
I currently don't have a subscription, because it expired on October 3rd, and not knowing how one should upgrade an existing yearly subscription I didn't want to take any risk. But it's mid-October and they didn't explain squat.
For the large amount of votes for $5, £5 increase, it's not going to be that small...
We know how tight Nintendo is with it's past library. It won't devalue them to just an additional fiver for a year subscription.
It will be at least double that I'm sure unfortunately..
No increase is not "free", we're already paying for the subscription fee.
No additional cost. It’s a pitifully poor and small library already. I stopped my sub a long time ago.
I'm hoping only $5. The reason being - what other expansion passes are they going to charge for down the line? Will there be separate passes for Gameboy & Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance or TurboGrafx, possibly Gamecube? (wishful thinking on the last one) The total price for everything would add up quickly, like bundles for cable TV. And given Nintendo's poor track record of drip feeding additional titles after the initial NES/SNES Online releases, (plus the questionable quality of many of these titles) I'm not sure how have much faith I have left in Nintendo to pay anything above $5 for this N64/Genesis expansion pass.
Honestly fine with any of the options. All strike me as reasonable and way less than it would cost to get an HDMI modded N64.
all I really want is to have the option to buy the games.
If they fix their online I would accept 20 but the wont so it will want it to be $5
I'd pay ten, but that's the absolute most I'd go for, 5 would be much better.
Everyone voting anything other than free is a tool! NinOnline members are already paying Nintendo a fair amount of money for an okay service. What if Netflix would ask extra for movies past the year 2000!? Just have some damn self respect and don't throw your hard earned cash out the window.
I reckon it'll be £30 a year. Any more than that and I'm not gunna bite. I'm quite excited for it tbh, especially to have Switch versions of Star Fox 64 and the two N64 Zelda games.
"The Expansion Pack will unsurprisingly offer less overall" I feel like this makes no sense. Not only will people still be able to continue to buy the sub at the price it is with what it currently offers but of course the extra spending adds extra things. Extra features should cost extra money, the sub is already pretty cheap as is imo.
As long as Nintendo never pull a Sony and charge an extra £10 with no extras then actually take stuff AWAY from PS Plus and still keep the £50 price tag. There's a reason I no longer buy PS Plus but still buy NSO.
I don't care about NES, SNES, or Genesis games. So I'd be happy paying what I already pay for only N64 games. And I really want GBA games.
I voted for $5. Since the current rate is already a waste of money for me for a subpar service lacking features and a library of games I won't touch
Free.
The content you get for the extra charge is abysmal and would be only slightly easier to swallow if it was part of the Switch Online membership. A paid add-on is absurd.
Free.
The games are decades old and most of them don't hold up anymore. If we were talking NGC/Wii games, then it's a different story. N64 games are relics that look and play horribly today.
when will know how much the new price will be?
At most, and I think I'm being very generous here, it should be $15, ideally it would be $5 and wouldn't go over $10, but I know better than to get my hopes up.
@tameshiyaku I do wish it would be free, but you know good and well that Nintendo isn't going to make it free.
They should have added it to the standard plan and increased the annual rate to $25 from $20.
If 12 months of regular is €20, for that you get 4 services, NES, SNES, online gaming and 2 for €99 vouchers
So for 2 services €10 seems fair in my mind
Why is there so much outrage to this? Ok not a ton, but still. This service, which gives discounts, cloud saves, two classic game libraries, and a(crappy let’s be honest) online service for $5 more than Xbox Ultimate costs a month. Let’s not for get the family plan which is the real deal. $35/year for 8 people would only get 2 people ultimate for a month.
I do hope that they add more than just N64/sega games for extra money though. Maybe a messaging system? Join game option? Maybe that Xbox relationship can finally help them with stable online 😅😅
@Chamver
I must vehemently disagree. There are many N64 games that are just as easy to play and understand as games released nowadays.
@cleveland124
Nah, that would be annoying because then people would be forced to pay an increased price even if they don't want the Expansion Pack's additions.
I just want that n64 controller for Smash Bros!
@Aya-chan I agree. There's 0 chance that Nintendo would add this on for free, so I guess this is the next best choice, since if you don't want to pay the increased price, then you don't have to.
$10 is a trip to go get fast food… except this purchase lasts for a whole year. Y’all… $10 is nothing. I think it’s a fair price as long as it’s only $10 more.
How is "free" not a fair price given the fact that Nintendo is drastically over-charging for their N64 and Genesis controllers, at $50 per controller, vs. $30 each for the NES/SNES controllers? After charging $50 for effectively a three button controller, it makes me question their pricing for the entire thing...
But seriously, $10 for this "Expansion Pack" would be alright with me. No more, unless they want to make their "classic" controllers (especially the Genesis one) more reasonably priced. The N64 controller I can almost understand (although I still feel they are overcharging a bit, but that Genesis controller... that's a whole new level of screwing the customer.
But then, with a base service of only $20/yr, Nintendo probably feels that they are the ones getting screwed at this point, with all the NES and Super NES games they have available for only $20 a year. I don't know, I think maybe they just screwed up right from the beginning with their pricing of NSO... but to be fair at the beginning it was barely even worth $20/yr, and now they find themselves with the opposite problem.
💷I voted 'Free' because IF they ever release GC Games, THAT will be ANOTHER price increase.
I might pay as much as $10 a year. But I own so many of these games already, that I may just pass.
@faint as far as I can tell the community has found ways around this. I can also fall back on the steam deck. Which im already looking to do.
@ModdedInkling you misspelled steam deck. I can't fit my pc in my back pack and play on a plane.
While I still say that should be free, a reasonable xpansion would be $5 or $10.
A fiver is more then fair in my opinion.
I’m planning on cancelling my nso service when the price goes up for more useless crap. I’ve paid for it for 3 years and not really found it to be worth it. Any game there worth playing I already own
Here's the thing. There aren't that many N64 games in the expansion pack right now. Buy a year's sub (or less), play what you want, and then cancel after until a few more games that interest you show up on the service. Mario Kart 64 online is great and all. But Mario Kart 8 is undeniably a better game. Mario Party 3 is a champ though if that gets added, but I suspect we'll be mostly okay with Mario Party Superstars. Mario Tennis on the 64 is the best one though, and Mario Golf is up there. More of a true golf experience than Mario Golf on the Switch which is more running around.
Free. Failing that, just make online free again and revert to a Virtual Console like service of buying what you want to play, heck, give it a rebrand such as "Nintendo's Select Classics" because NSO certainly does not improve the online experience.
I hate subscription services, and I am amazed that I stayed subscribed to NSO for as long as I did, but since lapsing at the end of September, I feel no desire to return.
@NotSoCryptic
Note: Steam Deck IS a gaming PC. Well, moreso a gaming laptop with a built-in controller instead of a built-in keyboard. I don't fully consider it to be a console.
I'm not buying regardless of price, but I reckon they'll charge $10 for it. Anything more than that and y'all have been had.
I will point out however, that the rewind feature is the greatest thing about the NSO games service.
I want it to be $4.99 but realistically I’m put money on it being $7.99. Highest $9.99. But I am willing to bet $7.99
5 I will get it straight away, 10 I will think about it, above that I doubt o will bite the bullet anytime soon
Probably as close to the pricing for xbox live and ps plus for the expansion + legacy online pass as they can get.
It's a little worrying that we're complaining about $20 per year for a service which lets you play retro games legitimately with good emulation and added features. Don't see the problem with making it $30 per year with the added N64 and Genesis bonus. Would like them to expand with GameBoy and especially GBA games in the future. Surprised they didn't go with GBA first, seeing how Metroid Fusion would have been great to re-experience with Dread having just released.
How come more people are talking about the price rather than the fact that soon we will be able to play F-Zero X ONLINE??? It's an actual online F-Zero game.
All I know is the Genesis part is killing me. I already have the downloaded copy of the Genesis Collection on my switch cause I knew it was something I’d want to play from time to time and that has a ton of games on it. And the fact that we’re getting the option of the 3 button Genesis controller over the awesome 6 button 🤦🏻♂️
I pay for a family plan with the kids and my siblings on it, and my brother at least takes advantage of it. I’ll probably subscribe to the expansion pack for him and me, really, unless it’s unreasonably expensive. My guess would be a $15 increase for the family plan, bringing NSO + pack up to $50 total annually. I might even go for $60 annually, but it will feel expensive if they don’t keep rolling out content.
If for some reason we are locked out of the Japan games this time, though, it will be a huge disappointment for me. Maybe even a deal breaker. I absolutely love seeing games and package art from Japan (extra reading practice for me) and having the extra titles.
A one-time fee of $5-20 and requiring an active NSO to have it activated. I will accept that. The best choice was to have it added as part of the current subscription. It's already annoying to have to pay for NSO.
My guess is that the price increase will be high enough to justify piracy of the old games. I'm not saying it will make piracy legal, but Nintendo's greed and inability to listen to its fans has pretty much lost all my sympathy.
I don't care about Genesis/MD and there are not a TON of N64 games that they could add to the service that I'd absolutely want to play. There are absolutely essential N64 titles on there that I do want on my Switch, especially multiplayer games to play them online but, let's be realistic, the catalogue of must-play N64 titles numbers perhaps 50 games and not all of them can be expected to make it on the service due to licensing issues or other technical difficulties preventing it.
So $£€5 would be my ideal price, but I can see a problem with that already, they would want to offer a nice round price for non-yearly subscriptions as well so I'm more expecting a price like $£€10 per year and then maybe 3 for 3 months and 1 or 1.50 per month if you want a short time to just sample the extra content.
@CharlieGirl But we are still paying for outrageous joycon price with poor quality, ProCon, 60$ for 720p games.. after spending so much we really can demand a better online subscription.. even if it's only 'cheap' 20$/year.
50% more (or 10 USD) seems fair, not that I'd subscribe. I predict 50% more will be the final price too.
I would pay $20 extra for the year. Nintendo had to have paid Microsoft for Banjo. N64 games with online play. Heck yes. So that would be $40 for the year. That works for me.
@Miu When a game costs $60, that's the price of the gameplay and the hours you spend with it, not the price of the graphical fidelity. A game like Breath of the Wild or Mario Odyssey could be in 480p, and still be worth $60.
I would've paid for an increase in the NSO price for these if it also meant we would start seeing dedicated services and rollback net code in games.
If it was free it still would be too expensive for all of it. Nintendo Switch Online is just terrible. Bring Virtual Console back NOW
$9.99USD / €9,99 / £8.99
Because $20 + $10 = $30.00 A YEAR IS WORTH EVERY PENNY for MASTERPIECES Nintendo brings to the Table via Nintendo Switch Online! If you have to complain about it, or can't afford that, then FIND ANOTHER HOBBY!
I mean, what is it really going to matter if the online quality is going to remain the same?
Yes, I'm going to buy the expansion myself for the expanded library, but I don't expect the online quality to improve or at least not by much.
@Drommajin Nintendo Switch Online is SO MUCH BETTER than that garbage virtual console on those dead consoles.
I cancelled my subscription and would have resumed it if it had been free
It's frankly difficult to justify the $19.99 annual subscription as it currently stands; cloud saves support has been uneven at times (even with major first-party titles) and new NES and SNES games come at a trickle. Asking for more for N64 games, let alone Genesis titles readily available for permanent purchases on pretty much every platform including Switch, takes some real brass on Nintendo's part.
@Aya-chan
Well realistically they should split it and charge a price for online and a price for retro games. The issue is most people probably only want one or the other now but are forced to pay.
But Nintendo chose this path. Having multiple plans is confusing and will leave future improvements (potentially for online play as well) behind paywalls.
This must be the thread where consumers advise Nintendo what they should charge. There are actually people choosing more than $5 a year more.
I'm just so happy to have Nintendo 64 Games on my Nintendo Switch! And I can't wait to buy the N64 Controller for Nintendo Switch Online!
I’m okay with $19.99. It’s like the standard price for DLC. Everyone asking for it to be $4.99 is just greedy. Everything in today’s world is not cheap anymore, and it won’t be that way for the foreseeable future. Everyone needs to accept that
@KingBowser I’m okay with $19.99. It’s like the standard price for DLC. Everyone asking for it to be $4.99 is just greedy. Everything in today’s world is not cheap anymore, and it won’t be that way for the foreseeable future. Everyone needs to accept that
Normally corporations try to make as much money as they can and consumers try to save as much money as they can.
The balance is thrown off when consumers stop caring about saving as much money as they can. It's been this way with game consumers for a long time and it plays a big part in anti-consumer activity from corporations.
Why can't nintendo just take my money and let me buy those games outright?
£4 at most is fair.
$10 is the highest it should cost. Any higher than that? Nope.
If it's any more than £20 per year in total (base NSO+expansion pack) then I'm not really interested.
Let's face it; Nintendo's online offering isn't nearly as robust as Microsoft's or Sony's, so it should not clock in at comparable prices. I voted it should be free, but it would be criminal if it was more than 10 bones per year.
I won't pay more than $5 extra for it.
@KingBowser that mentality is why everything got so expensive in the first place.
I've said it many times before. Nobody wants to rent old games, people want to collect them to play in the future. Online should be free, seeing as we already pay our ISP for internet. They could eliminate cloud saves by allowing save data on micro SD cards (Nintendo clearly created a problem, then charged for a solution here). On Wii I was happy to pay $7.99 or something for one N64 game and a little less for a snes game. So Nintendo would make a lot more money than with NSO.
I would love to see the sale data for NSO. Imagine how many people paid $20 for the first year, didn't use the service for more than 10 minutes, and when the year was up, never paid again.
The correct answer is Virtual Console.
Include it with purchase of one of those controllers
I was thinking more like 1.99 lol
Additional 5USD for the annual family membership....additional 3USD for annual solo membership. Or cheaper.
My logic is that, this is a subscription...there's recurring cost to have them. Prices need to be reasonable for us to pay for it multiple times ...and it has to be reasonable enough to replace free emulation.
Another angle we can consider is that this as a museum, with the effort of preserving these games, with Nintendo as the curator. And for the benefit of mankind, access to this museum should be widely available and cheap.
@Turnips Nintendo has stated in a recent tweet that Europe will have 60hz versions available as well. You can choose whether you want to play the 60hz or 50hz versions.
Nintendo just screwed up with using 50hz footage for the orginal announcement and making things more confusing than it needed to be.
It'd be cool to see gameboy and advance games on Switch, it'd work well as they're already designed for portable play
“Woo” N64 titles I’ve had to pay for already.
If you’re going to charge for online services give me a functioning web browser. Let me access Netflix and Crunchyroll. Give me Steam Link.
Nintendo’s online services are a rip off as it is, adding N64 games isn’t going to increase the value of this service.
Technically, I'm not saying it should be free. It should just be added alongside the NES and SNES stuff as long as you pay for that. This is just laziness and greed at its finest. Thank goodness I have Retroarch and Rare Replay (the latter mainly for Banjo Kazooie since the Xbox version actually went the extra mile and added some QOL improvements).
@Verthias agreed. If I wanna play these on the go that bad I'll just get one of those Android handheld gaming devices. I'd only have to pay once and nothing will just magically go away after an expiration date.
i only paid for nso for the online, so they'd have to offer a whole lot more for me to care about paid n64 emulators. sure theres online multiplayer, but i was never attached enough with these older games to invest in them for that long
plus i already pay for the family pack, $35 a year is sizable enough for me
I do pay like 5$ per year with a family suscription, so if it's like 5$ for N64 i'll pay 5.6$ or so.
We're already paying a subscription fee so the "free" part is misleading. £5 increase max. Over £10 and I may well be out
I struggle with the idea that I have purchased many of these games several times over the years and that they don't carry forward in a compatible way to the next generation. Nintendo doesn't seem interested in making that a possibility in the near future either because they really can keep selling or renting the games as much as they want. It's not illegal and the games can be worth it. It's just a hard pill to swallow next to PC games and even Xbox emphasizing backwards compatibility.
I absolutely loved having my favorite Xbox games running better than ever when I got a Series X. Now, any third party game I buy won't be on Switch because I most likely won't be able to play it on future hardware. With the advent on console streaming and things like the Steam Deck, there are fewer and fewer reasons to buy anything not exclusive to Nintendo on their hardware.
For me personal there is absolutly no Value to pay more.
$5 would be a great price, though I'd see it as $10. Also are we grouping single and family plan pricing together? So are we hoping/assuming both plans will only be $5 - $10 more per year?
I think an extra £10 to the family plan is fair.
To be honest don't really care all the games can be played elswhere. But if they do charge 5eur to existence 5eur u already paying is fine. In my opinion they messed up from the beginning with this why should i pay for online play ? wtf ? im already paying my internet provider for that
£9 seems like a fair and "Nintendo" price to have for this.
Are y'all not paying for Netflix or Spotify either, because you can just pirate the shows and music?
If you pay extra for this, the joke's on you, and Nintendo will laugh to the bank.
@Schrolli97 Different thing different topic. Netflix have they prices and they charge the same it's not like there's Netflix +++
@iaLgan Netflix increase their price every few years. And at least where I live there are different tiers for multiple users watching at the same time as well as full HD and 4K
This comment section... I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
@Schrolli97 Strange there was always 11.99eur for all the content for the last i don't know 5 years or so :/ Including 4k
Whatever the price ends up being, Switch Online simply isn't a good deal for what it offers. And when you consider that Nintendo could make Virtual Console-style permanent purchases available for individual legacy games, they could make more than they get for the price of an annual SO subscription for three or four NES and SNES titles (going by original VC prices), and...so long as those purchases were permanent and tied to user accounts instead of individual systems like before...consumers would be getting better, more tangible value for their money.
Nintendo would be doing their consumers a far better service by focusing on things like bringing their online functionality up to par and finally ditching the archaic friend codes and other stuff.
@Joriss I think that every time I come in here…especially when they reopen this can of worms.
I'm sick of Nintendo affecting my humor in a negative way. What has always been a source of pure joy and bliss, is nowadays making me feel bitter more often than not. That is why I have decided to enjoy the games and forget about the rest, hoping they remember one day remember their fanbase is the most important thing they have, and that this day doesn't come too late.
It was £8.99/$9.99 to buy individual N64 games on Wii U so the same price to rent a collection of them for a year seems fair, especially with the added online. More than that and I'm not sure though
$10 a year seems more than reasonable to me; especially considering this was the price of a single N64 game on the Wii U.
Surprised at the number of people here asking it to be free though. $5-$10 a year really isn't much in the grand scheme of things IMO, especially with a hobby like gaming.
Those 9 launch games would be 90 on wii u VC (if all on it) so 10-12 a year seems reasonable plus the mega drive games (yes yes they been released hundreds of times I think as them more as a bonus here)
As long as your ssd card or maybe backup file of that ssd card doesn't crash i would better pay full price for the game that i own on my library than knowing if i for some reason didn't pay the subscription and pufff games are gone
@Roibeard64 And no it's not reasonable unless you like spending money for things you should be getting either way.
Nes, SNES, MegaDrive & N64 = £24.99 12 month contract/per annum very fair (Worth it to play Mariokart 64 & DKR online alone)
Tbh if it was the current £18 a year just for online play and cloud saves with no retro collections, that would be reasonable - I pay Apple £3 a month just for cloud saves.
I think since they are tiering the subscription anyway, I think the sensible thing would have been:
NSO: online and saves
NSO+: online, saves and retro collections
They will no doubt have looked at this so would be interesting to know why they decided on the model they did.
Quite frankly... if its more than 2.99€ i'll be even more dissapointed. This should be free as it is.
2€ a year. Maximum.
The whole thing just seems like a way to stealth increase the "standard" price for NSO
I think the current subscription is already really cheap. The idea that charging £1.60 a month for all these N64, Mega Drive, and possibly, Game Boy games would be unreasonable seems like an opinion born solely of principle to me. If they sold these in the forms of official retro compilations, I'd likely spend far more - and likely - end up playing the games less.
It should be free as the service has been crap until now.
£5 on the individual U.K. Annual price, £8.50 on the Family U.K. Annual price.
I’d pay a lot more for a proper Retro subscription with a full slate of Retro content over all Nintendo platforms.
After the free trial I knew I would not spend any money on a service that did nothing for me. If N64 had been thrown in for free, I would have considered subscribing and buying controllers. I would still gladly buy the controllers if they came with a coupon to download a couple of N64 games to keep. I'm not going to sign up for a subscription and pay a lot for retro controllers on top.
Do you really think N64 and MD games are going to be a lot LESS than SNES & NES?
This is Nintendo.
Though with WND's who knows.
I'd pay double what I do now. Which is next to nothing by splitting up a family plan with friends.
I'm still just honestly puzzled why we got Genesis over Gameboy? My hopes are they extend it to the mighty Turbo Grafx-16
Maybe if they were adding a tonne of games including gameboy etc but charging extra for that lol what?
@Zag_Man
If the Indy games were crap compared to classic games then nothing was lost. The crappy Indy game didn’t deserve sales.
Really the Genesis Collection shouldn’t be counted. You can buy the Genesis Collection and actually own most of these games.
The N64 is a nice addition, but I have the Nintendo Mario 3D Collection, and Mario 64 doesn’t age well. I’m afraid the rest of that system will be the same
$0 for the N64 & Genesis games
$10 more per year if it includes the following enhancements:
Improved online gaming experience
On-system voice chat
Themes & folders
Theres been a few claimed Leaks saying it will be 9.99 a month. This is completely ridiculous itll cost more then the original plan at that point 20$ a year for the basic plan 120$ a year for just 64 and Sega really hoping Nintendo isn’t that dumb
@Zag_Man
It’s a competitive market. If their games can’t compete with 20 plus year old games and sell better then obviously the problem lies with the Indy devs.
Why Genesis and not the Game Boy line??? And if we're going with Sega I'd prefer the Dreamcast, Saturn or Game Gear by farrr as they are more obscure with some great gems on them as well. The Genesis' notable catalogue has been released numerous times already and most of which is already present on the Switch Eshop in some form or another- usually already in better form too now lol smh
Listen Ninty (Navi Voice), I would literally gladly pay $100/year for a comprehensive & extensive Nintendo Virtual Console Subscription Service (basically like every other popular streaming/subscription service currently) if Nintie would just give us all the platforms + catalogues we want on competent legal proprietary emulators i.e. with rewind, turbo, more save states, downloadable/uploadable/transferrable saves, cheats, scanned game manuals, multiple suspend play, custom button-mapping, online netplay, filters, borders/themes and/or widescreen adaptation... most of which is already included notable free emulators out in the wild for some time now.
C'mon pick it up and get it together with the NSO service quick, fast and in a hurry please Nintendo!
I wouldn't mind 10 or even 20 a year, beat a bunch of games and take a year off maybe, Sin & Punishment cost me 10 alone just a few years ago and totally worth it on the Wii U and having an actual Nintendo 64 controller is going to make things feel much better than any other way of playing these games. But I really wish there was a lobby or random matches so we could jump into a quick game of Mario Kart 64 without all the hassle of hoping our friends are online. That would have killed the online in games like Splatoon or ARMS or Mario Kart 8 so I'm not sure why it's acceptable here.
So is late October considered 10/15 - 10/31?
We're (Nintendo fans) a lost cause, aren't we
@Zag_Man
That’s exactly my point! If you’re product is good (especially in this age of social media) word of mouth will spread and you will gain a strong following. So this Indy devs Zelda clone failed to make buck at $15 vs the $5 NES VC release of Zelda. Boo hoo it lost to a 20 year old game. Thems the bricks. Every game on the eshop is competing with each other. That’s how the market system works.
$30 just an extra $10 to the current plan's price would be good
i still really don't understand the cognitive dissonance that people have to have to say "NSO is a terrible value; bring back the VC." the games on NSO would cost over $1,000 on the VC. even if the expansion pack takes the price up to $50 (and you still can't find seven people to split a family plan with), it would take decades for NSO to be a worse value than the VC.
when the VC was a thing, people were constantly saying "why do i have to pay $5 for ice climber? they should just make a netflix-style subscription for these" and, well, NSO is exactly what netflix is in the 2020s — mostly their own stuff and a few other things they could get the rights to, because all the big companies realized they can sell their stuff on their own now.
The only reason I’ve had NSO for the last 2 years is because my kids were playing Splatoon 2 regularly. That’s not the case anymore, so I won’t be renewing until I have a need to. This announcement didn’t change that, and wouldn’t have even if it had been free.
@Abighoul There is no cognitive dissonance, just different needs. I can't speak for “people,” but I can give you my personal reasons. I'd rather pay 5 times 10 bucks for 5 games I know I will play as long as my console is working, than pay 20 bucks five times over for a hundred games I am not interested in.
Please let it be 5$ I really want to play N64 games.😣
P.S is banjo kazooie and paper mario really good because I heard good things about them. :/
@Munchlax at least its only $20 instead of 60. id argue the nes and snes games are $20. but it doesn't excuse how crap the online really is.
It's ridiculous that Nintendo wants us to spend a small fortune on controllers for a service that will eventually go away. Put those games on the eShop so they can be played permanently.
Retro should be free don't care what anyone says
@SnesSwitch you are the very first person that I saw posting something like that. Mind telling me your reasons?
@NTELLIGENTMAN The eShop isn't any more permanent than NSO, but you can still connect those Bluetooth controllers to your phone or computer twenty years from now and play whatever roms you want
@r0mer0 If you're splitting an NSO family plan eight ways, it's less than the price of one VC NES game per year.
I'm going to be that one, free. I don't even want to pay for their online service, so I guess I don't have any say in the matter since I could not care any less about it.
Zero chance I'll pay for this. My Switch/PS4/3DS queue is so long that it's not worth another cent. Family membership is good enough (and I'd prefer it if proper game sharing in-household was implemented, instead of the current way).
I just want game additions for frequently. Mario party would be great with online!
50 euros! If its a steal well it should be worth it.
I would love for it to be folded into the family plan, but we all know Nintendo doesn't roll that way.
LOL, this poll didn't even include an option for $30 more!
Well, I know what it WON'T be, and that's £30 more.
OH WAIT
Hey Nintendo Life they just dropped the prices at the end of the Animal crossing direct video!
$49.99USD for 12month single
$79.99USD for 12month family
I'll let you do the conversion for your own currency, for mine it's $52 extra on top of the existing plan!!! 😠
Man we’re we all wrong…
in the uk its double the price at £34 odd, Im not going to be paying that, I had a N64 when I was younger I have no inclination to play those games again now. Mario 64 was mind blowing when I played it at launch now not so much.
@TonyTyga90
Think: Technically, It's $5.
The ACNH Standalone DLC is $25.
$30-25=5.
You're paying $5 For N64 and Genesis/Mega Drive Games.
So with my Xbox I pay less then 20$ and get brand new games day one plus over 100 great games for free, plus 3 games every month that are mine even if I cancel my services, but with new prop pass I’ll get new old games added maybe once every few months ?
I love Nintendo and all , but I’ll stick with regular service. Why not replicate the VC it’s idiotic
I think it’s fair, and I will be paying. Loling forward to playing N64 games in handheld.
The NES online was a curiosity, I replayed lots of my fave SNES games but mainly NSO was for the back up facility.
I’m happy to pay another £17.99 for all these , many hours of play/value!
If they did compilation game packs they would be more than that surely?
@Marioman2020 That will be true if the DLC was not tied to the subscription. IE You are not buying the DLC you are renting it. As it has been revealed that if you cancel the subscription you lose functionality of parts of the DLC
@TonyTyga90
You're right. Sorry!
@Marioman2020 No problem brother. Man they should’ve did Dreamcast instead of Sega genesis. The N64 and Dreamcast are notoriously known as being incredibly hard to Emulate. The pill would've been easier to swallow for sure.
@TonyTyga90
Yeah, I personally would've liked it more if they had dreamcast. Also, why did they include Sonic 2, but not the first one in the genesis games?
@Marioman2020 Sonic 2 is usually the go-to fan favorite. They haven’t ported or included Sonic 3/ Sonic and Knuckles in collections for years due to Michael Jackson producing the soundtrack (licensing). Sorta people preferring Like super Mario 3 and super Mario world over the OG game.
For $30 extra dollars per year they should add PC Engine, Saturn, and promise to add Gamecube and maybe Dreamcast in the near future.
An extra $9.99 USD is my best offer.
It shouldn't be annual fee. It makes no sense at all as an annual fee. I'd gladly pay a $30 one-time only fee for it.
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