Bayonetta 3 was certainly a notable absence from the Nintendo Direct at E3, even though there had been hints at its appearance (we'll come back to that later). Its ongoing absence and relative silence over its progress certainly has people talking; it was revealed in late 2017, and unless there's a surprise 'out now' or 'soon'-style reveal later this year it'll have been 4 years+ since it was first teased.
PlatinumGames co-founder Hideki Kamiya has given updates over the years, for example saying the project is going "very well," "very smoothly," "fine," and "very well" again. At the start of the year he changed tone a little, encouraging us to forget about Bayonetta 3 so that "when something finally does happen, it will be a nice surprise, won’t it?". PlatinumGames has also emphasized that it's ultimately the remit of Nintendo, as publisher, to give updates. It's been a long period of silence and vague status updates, and in a recent poll we shared it's clear that some fans are concerned about the project.
Kamiya-san clearly saw a lot of 'where's Bayonetta' posts and speculation on social media following Nintendo's show, as he's expressed irritation at 'reckless' comments around the game's progress. The original tweet and a translation via Kotaku are below.
I get why people say, ‘Hurry up and release info’ or ‘Show us something,’ but... Reckless remarks like ‘Has development stopped?’ or ‘I guess it’s been delayed’, etc. are nothing but annoying public waste.
In further replies Kamiya-san reiterates the sincerity of his updates around positive progress for the project, with clear annoyance at suggestions that the game is in any form of doubt.
It's certainly understandable why Kamiya-san is frustrated, though he does also tease followers on social media and that inevitably raises expectations. Prior to Nintendo's Direct he tweeted the following image and a message that machine translates to "speaking of which, I received it ... I'll open it soon ..."; yes, 3 Bayonetta toys, easily interpreted as a tease.
In any case, the hope beyond all of this is that Bayonetta 3 remains on track for Nintendo Switch. We're certainly looking forward to playing it.
This man needs to get back down of that pedestal of his!
I’ll go easier on Kamiya when we see stuff from the game.
This is just what happens when you announce a game way too early.
So if he's saying that it's 'reckless' to say the game hasn't been delayed, does that mean he set out in 2017 intending to still have nothing of note to show us by late 2021?
@dew12333 Actually I don't like his behavior and I'm not buying anything from him. I might lose some good games, but fine. there are other games.
Kamiya is a legend, he keeps it real. Keep doing what you doing!
They showed the game was in development way too early. Its their own fault.
Just reveal your games when they are actually close to coming out or at least have gameplay to show. Teasing reveals only really work for super well established series like Zelda, and even then it leaves nothing to go off for more than a week. Then its just waiting way too long for something to come out that we won't hear about for maybe years.
BOTW2 - 2 year wait to see some gameplay
Prime 4 - 4 years since it was seen and the complete redo of the game means its an even longer wait
Bayo 3 - heard absolutely nothing for 3.5 years now
So, just reveal stuff when you know it is far enough along to not receive backlash for it being delayed/showing nothing etc. Then everyone is happy!
You can't delay a game that didn't have a release date to begin with. I would think rumours of another Scalebound situation would upset shareholders, so you can see why he's angry
When it turns up I'll be excited.
On one hand I can understand where he's coming from, but on the other...dude it's been 3 and a half years and NOTHING on bayo 3
These comments are ridiculous. In all likelihood he had nothing to do with the decision to announce the game in 2017, take it up with Nintendo. Have some patience. Game development takes years even under optimal conditions, and we're (still) going through a global pandemic that set projects back by several months across the industry. Try to be reasonable. Find something else to enjoy in the meantime.
HAHAHA omg I love him. He’s right
@MrGawain "You can't delay a game that didn't have a release date to begin with." Obviously you can, Metroid prime 4 for example could've released earlier if it didn't restart production, so in a way, that got delayed.
I mean it took them 5 years to make 2 and that was including finding a publisher in the first place.
I think the concern was when Platinum crowdfundednan already complete game, and then Babylon's Fall ended up looking worse than it did three years ago at reveal with still no release date, and they have several other games in the works.
To many, seeing a game announced after Bayonetta 3 resurface with still no date and looking worse than it did initially and seeing other games of theirs being announced, it makes people think it's low priority for them.
Give him a break. He got ***** storm and threats because of Bayonetta 2, when it's Sony who refused to fund it.
He got flamed because Sony didn't want the game.
Then he got flamed for Scalebound which Microsoft cancelled.
Now he is flamed over Bayonetta 3, even when he aren't allowed to reveal anything unless Nintendo says YES.
Again people are flaming the wrong person.
Kamiya calls out pretentious fan comments, fans respond with even more pretentious comments. I'm wholeheartedly with the guy here, but when did the bulk of us ever listened to reason, let alone conscience or public reproof?
If they really want to shut up fans who pre-ordered this thing years ago, screenshots. A short teaser trailer. It's easy for them to say, "Stop caring so much about this product!", but we have zero confirmation there's any progress being made at all.
The game was announced in 2017. Since then no trailer, no screen shots and no title. Lol, he should be very frustrated with Nintendo for supposedly putting him in this situation. They shouldn’t have said anything. I think the first time any publisher mentions a new title it with some trailer like BOTW2. Anything else is dumb.
I’m with Kamiya on this one. Let the devs work. We just staggered out of a disarray with working from home and a pandemic and folks would rather devs divert resources to make a demo build than...keep working on the game. (And many will express disappointment like some did with the BOTW2 info because it wasn’t enough. ) Game development takes time; just because we live in an instant gratification obsessed world doesn’t change that.
If they say they are working on it and Nintendo isn’t stressing, nobody else should be stressing.
goes back to chipping away at backlog
Edit: and as expected Bayo 3 was shown when the devs were ready.
@meeto_1 It wouldn't help at all if it weren't revealed in 2017.
People would nag him daily to make Bayonetta 3 instead for years.
The biggest ego in gaming and with such an arrogant attitude, maybe he needs to remember it’s his customers who ultimately put food on his table.
I’m still calling it that game doesn’t exist, it’s still vapourware.
Bigger chance that Bayo 3 exist than Pikmin 4 which were anounced 7 years ago.
I understand his frustration but thats what happens when you announce a sequel to a popular game and don't show a single thing in 3+ years.
@Slowdive Yeah, especially after Babylon's Fall's second reveal not long ago.
Think after silence for 4 years the question isn't ridiculous.
@sleepinglion The problem with that is if the game gets shown off and it doesn’t live up to the hype then everyone will freak out. If it looks really good then people will be happy, but if another year or two goes by until it comes out afterwards people will be mad that it’s not out yet. Then they will blame him for showing the game too early and that he should have waited until closer to release. The problem isn’t him. It is Nintendo for announcing the game too early and people getting too hyped about a working title.
People who are annoyed with what he says don't understand what he's like on Twitter and how funny his comments can be!
You announce a very highly anticipated game and go almost half a decade without showing so much as a screenshot guess what Kamiya? People are going to get annoyed and impatient you chose to announce the game not the fans you if you didn't announce a game that was 5 years too early none of this would be happening but unfortunately your ego is too big to see that 😑
@BenAV I was going to say just that
Nintendo usually only talks about releases within a year, with the occasional exception of BotW2. They probably see the early announcement of Prime 4 as a mistake, maybe too eager to tell the fans something good.
Announcing games half a decade before completion is the Sony way, but mostly Squarenix. Personally, I think it builds way too much hype and it goes from a good thing to a bad.
There have been literally zero news about the game for four years now, and the guy has that childish attitude seen on his social media. Of course people are mad and of course they have doubts about the project
Have to agree with Kimiya on this one. I think it's clear that Bayonetta is progressing steadily...people are just impatient and entitled. When they want to show something, they'll show it. It's not like we've all individually commissioned the man to make this game and he's not delivering. We'll get it when it's ready.
@Matl Shin Megami Tensei 5 came to mind
One thing is sure. There will be no Bayonetta 4.
After all the threats to him on Bayonetta 2 and 3, he is done with this series.
Thank Twitter for this.
Kamiya is a bit of a performance artist. The twitter blocking and the like. It's his brand and people taking it too seriously don't get that. It also serves as a heat magnet where the press (which can be awful) games get go to him instead of the development team. There's value in that, too.
New gamers take awhile to learn that most games take multiple years to develop. It's especially harder lately because there is a steady stream of new games appearing all the time. Just have to realize that the big ones went into the pipe many years ago. These yearly or biyearly franchise games have staggered development, often by completely different teams.
I still like knowing that certain game franchises are planned rather than forgotten, though. So, I'm fine with early reveals and long silences. That's all the Bayonetta reveal was: it is in development! Great! Maybe they should be a little more forthcoming about how far out it may likely be, but game productions are often "give or take a year".
Knowing that Nintendo is making a new Metroid Prime game is satisfying and probably necessary to let people know Metroid is not forgotten. Sure, I want it yesterday, but I'm happy to play other games while I wait.
Gamers need to relax, not to harsh other people for not releasing a trailer.
@Slowdive Crowdfunding Wonderful 101 was a promotional tactic for a non-publisher studio that helped them gauge numbers for platforms. What was the problem with that?
@Ryu_Niiyama I agree with "let the devs work"
I wait, enough other games to play.
However that does not give him the right to act like a d*** or call people "brainless insects" ( https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/1146292981420437510 )
@Ventilator you are completely correct and in that instance he would be within his rights to ignore / respond to that
Although Developers shouldn’t be harassed full stop.
But right now he is frustrated by perfectly legit speculation about a game no one has ever seen but was started sometime in 2017. I maintain his frustration should be directed with Nintendo if they are holding back any further reveal.
@Rayquaza2510 I agree that manners cost nothing but all I can say to that is that is his normal behavior. As my post was about people needing realistic expectations and not bugging the heck out of devs or doomsday speculating and not about Kamiya’s personality.
@Alex78 SMTV got announced the same year as Bayo 3, and we're getting that game on November. I'm not asking the game to be ready, but to get at least something from Platinum or Kamiya.
BOTW2 was announced two years later than Bayo 3, and we already got two teasers and a release date. Why haven't we got ANYTHING from Bayo 3?
@the_weakest_link What do you mean 'he'? They, as in Nintendo, call the shots with Bayonetta 3. It's no wonder he's getting pissed off.
@meeto_1 Thanks. It's Nintendo who actually hold back Bayonetta 3 info.
If Nintendo were smart, they could release a 30 second teaser with like 10 seconds of gameplay to calm people down.
@DomGC Platinum have at least 4 teams who do their own thing.
@HamatoYoshi Or this twitter babies can stop being such whiny entitled toddlers who feel entitled to what they want, when they want.
I'm looking forward to Bayonetta 3 myself, but I'm well aware that I'm not "owed it." If it's delayed or cancelled, thems the breaks. I didn't front Platinum or Nintendo money for the game already so technically I'm owed nothing.
Nintendo should have requested at least trailers for Bayo 3 and Metroid Prime 4 for this years E3. 4 years and not even a trailer? That is just really bad marketing. They announced them early to avoid the "Switch has no games" that plagued the Wii U after it's first year. Now the Switch is saturated with games, but none of them are "The big exciting one" that people expect from 4 years of market penetration/success.
The whole situation is entirely on Nintendo and it's mismanagement of release schedules. Prioritising BotW 2 before previously announced games have been "helped". Imagine is Monolith had been asked to help create the planets for Metroid Prime 4 or Nintendo themselves helped with some of the design and mechanics of Bayo 3? BotW 2 in my eyes should be toward the end of Switch's cycle. They could have easily done DLC dungeons for the original BotW to keep it ticking along if need be. But even that isn't needed.
Looks like the game had not even start development yet or else we would had seen gameplay teaser of it by now. Mr. Kamiya had to realize that action speaks louder than words, just show the fans what they want to see and they'll believe you.
I do feel for where he's coming from.
It is annoying how quickly people are to jump on the idea of a game being dead or going through development hell. There are a lot of indie games I follow, and if there's even the slightest hiccup in development or if their personal lives get in the way you have people shouting that the project is dead.
People need to relax. (I feel like that could be the tagline for the internet though )
what a douchbag ...is it really so difficult for them to release one single picture from the most completed part of the game?!!
Nintendo's holding the game, they have show nothing cuz at the final stages of development they asked platinum to be a New Nintendo switch exclusive and thus, platinum had to rework the game. Kamiya's pissed but he understands so he has to do damage control his own way
Kamyia is just an arrogant guy. Teases fans with things like "Astral Chain 2" on twitter, and now he gets pissed off? Cry me a dam river.
He could just have stopped teasing fans who´re desperate for news since 2017!
Being an mean is one of many options!
He probably could have worded this stuff differently, but he ist correct.
It even annoys ME a little and I am mit even involved.
I'm a pretty big fan of Platinum Games and Hideki Kamiya (usually) but he needs to understand that the whole Bayonetta 3 situation has been kind of messy. They announce the game and then have nothing to show for years while they pump out multiple other games. That just doesn't look promising from the outside
I mean… it isn’t reckless to speculate that development may have stopped when neither he, Platinum nor Nintendo have said anything of consequence in the last three and a half years. Nintendo literally just did this with BotW2. They explained it’s ‘aiming’ for a 2022 release, that the development has been strained, but then showed something to confirm that at least some progress is being made.
If all you do is tease people but show nothing and explain nothing then people will obviously make their own conclusions. This isn’t reckless, it’s just natural when there’s a lack of alternate information.
His actions, however, could be described as being reckless (the teasing… I appreciate the lack of news is probably a joint responsibility of Platinum and Nintendo).
Kamiya; a man so reactionary he's likely even blocked HIMSELF on Twitter. Bayowho?
@timleon Personally, I find it hard to take something like this on trust, especially given the number of high profile games that haven't lived up to expectations.
The game may be progressing well, but what does that actually mean and how do they expect us to reconcile that with them still having nothing to show? In the absence of anything concrete, people will speculate...
I really dislike how they treated this franchise, its such a damn mess. 1st one gets a remaster in 60fps in 4k. 2nd one is Switch only, as Nintendo funded it, so we will never get a 4k remaster and it NEVER goes on sale so its old and still full price for some stupid reason. And 3 just doesnt seem to even exist beyond a logo.
Such a mess.
Honestly? I'm not sure whether is the chicken or the egg.
What I do know is this has all happened before and it will all happen again. Long time fans will be familiar with these cyclical relatively dry spells from Nintendo and all this bluster repeating ad infinitum...
@Ventilator well… Bayo 2 wasn’t directed by him…. So….
@themightyant Yeah, that’s the Nintendo cycle 100%. That’s how it’s always been with the company. If it wasn’t for 2020, Switch was almost the generation that skipped the trend though. Glad 2021 is almost exhausting with all the great Q3 games coming in hot though.
Exactly. Don't announce it then.
I reckon Elder Scrolls VI was rumoured in the works back in 2016 or maybe even the year before. An official announcement didn't happen until 2018, but it might well have been in the works for over 5 years now. So it's not unsual. Just stupid to announce something with more than 1 year until actual release.
Wow why are you all so angry? Let the man do his work properly. He doesn't owe you anything.
There's a middle ground of shared blame here for the cloud that's over this game. Maybe PlatinumGames and Nintendo should have held off a bit in announcing the game. Maybe it is all on Nintendo for setting the terms on what info is or isn't released.
And while I get the frustration from fans, a measure of maturity, common sense and perspective still needs to be maintained.
I will say while I agree with his sentiment, he probably could have conveyed it in a less confrontational tone
With all due respect to the guy, he really can't blame people for making these kinds of statements when it's been four years and we haven't heard or seen anything about the game aside from 'development is going well'. At a certain point, that comment is going to hold little more value than a simple rumor would to fans.
All they would have to do would show a small piece of concept art or two in a Nintendo Direct, or another small teaser trailer, and it would ease fan worries again for a little while.
I get it, it's annoying, but you set yourself up for it by announcing it that early into development. I'd say, be glad you have this many fans looking forward to it.
On the other end, we have Metroid Dread. Three days ago, nobody knew that game exists, and it's coming out in less than four months.
I think it's ridiculous to assume that development isn't going smoothly, but this definitely seems like one that they announced before they'd even properly begun production.
@fafonio He still got all the blame instead of Sony.
@Ventilator He also went to Xbox as well to see about funding for Bayo 2. It wasn't just Sony. Glad Nintendo stepped up. I bet they're both biting themselves in the ass for that decision to not help out with funding.
Game was announced December 2017 without a hint of it since and given Platinum's inconsistent track record, speculation is warranted. Can moan about it all he wants, right now I question if Bayonetta 3 ever even really existed.
@Kaori-chan Not to sidetrack the discussion here. Just wanted to acknowledge your post commenting on my post in the BOTW 2 article. Didn't want you to think I ignored it and I too appreciate when we can have and maintain really mature and collected discussions on here. Things get a bit too testy quickly online
I also want to acknowledge that I need to remind myself that no matter what my opinion is or how much I personally enjoy something, not everything is going to resonate or click with others immediately or at all and that's okay
I'd love to see something on Bayonetta 3. But hey, it's only a game and I'll just get on with my life until then. Not worth crying over. It's in Nintendo's hands as to when info is released, not his.
@Rafie Xbox people didn't nag him. It were mainly Sony fanboys.
If Phil Spencer had been Xbox boss back then, MS might have funded it.
If Sega funded it, it would be multiplatform. Sega weren't interested in Bayo 2 at all either.
Basically 3 of 4 refused to fund it.
Kinda funny it became a GOTY contender. I'm sure Sony then regretted it. lol
Nintendo cared so much about Bayonetta that they funded a third.
Some people forget one thing. Platinum already released one major exclusive on Switch. "Astral Chain".
What a snowflake. Don’t announce the game over 3 years away if you don’t want questions.about the game.
I don't know man maybe you wouldn't be in this position if you didn't announce a game that hadn't even started production super duper early ¯(ツ)/¯
Shouldn't have announced it years before having anything to show, now should ya Kamiya-san?
People are going to bother you about it all of the time. What do you expect lol.
Just be like other devs and ignore the chatter instead of getting all huffy and puffy.
@Benjinat SMTV also showed pretty much nothing for 4 years and I was starting to worry, but then BOOM! November date at E3, the game is ready!
To be honest it's better this way, and I would've preferred not to see BOTW2 if I knew it was gonna be 2022. I'd much rather a blowout near release than neverending teasing.
P.S.: (not necessarily aimed at you but everyone) Kamiya may not be the most likable dude ever, but before throwing him under the bus remember when and why Bayo 3 was announced: it was simply a big name for Nintendo to advertise Switch as it was releasing.
So if you wanna blame someone, blame the publisher who actually unveiled it.
Yeah not sure why the ultra secrecy on Bayo3.....I mean either its progressing in which case they should have something to throw into a trailer to show off, or its 'shelved' as they work on other projects. I guess its the longgggggg lead times on so many Switch announcements that have been frustrating. SMT V was announced at launch and we got little to nothing for years and now its finally coming 4.5yrs after launch. You can bet your mushroom kingdom that BOTW2 was being worked on immediately after BOTW wrapped (or even before) so its likely been going 4yr+, Bayo3, same, announced in 2017 nothing to be seen. MP4 announced that it was trashed and restarted many years ago but nothing to show. Honestly we shouldn't be surprised by these things. Look at UBI's BGE 2.....rumored for years, officially announced and shown a little CG two years ago, still crickets on it as it likely will now be pushed out so far it will be ps5/XBsX. I mean they just brought back a 19yr old idea Metroid Dread that was supposed to be released in 2006. The last guardian (ICO 3) was in development so long, and thought to be dead more than once, eventually came (to mixed reviews). What I don't understand is why Devs don't expand their team sizes more to complete games sooner? Maybe there just isn't a big enough talent pool in games development to do that, but from an investor standpoint for companies with lots of cash on hand (Nintendo) why not do it? A game is going to have a budget and a budgeted amount of man hours, more people means condensed schedule, condensed schedule means game is finished sooner and the company can start selling and recouping its investment. I will say Nintendo is doing a lot better by farming our certain games or parts of games to other prominent dev teams. Still I wish they would do more of it, Once upon a time Sega made a great FZERO game for Cube, a total classic. What I don't get is you have a hot property that everyone would love to see return, you don't have the bandwidth to do it yourself, why not farm it out to a quality partner? Alas we are getting to point where Nintendo has put out at least one game from most of their major IPs on Switch so now maybe they will give some love to their more neglected franchises. I want the racing trifecta.....Fzero, Excitebike, Wave Race all brought back and modernized....A guy can dream.
Another day, another time Kamiya stirs up social media. The man is a genius, he just loves to troll on Twitter.
Let the man work.
Lol at people saying "I guess it's been delayed." Delayed from what? We never got a release window to begin with. It'll be done when it's done. Entitled fans are the worst, this team owes us nothing, be grateful you have the games you do from them and let them work to bring you more in peace.
@bobzbulder Does that also affect what release date retailers run with after the announcement? My Amazon pre-order was placed in August of 2018. They had a listing up for title that 3 years later still hasn't shown any form of progress. Every year the release date is pushed back to New Year's Eve
People are just burned by Platinum at this point.
Scalebound was a very high profile game, and even showcased gameplay and multiple trailers. Then for some sketchy reason, it was cancelled.
Granblue Fantasy Relink was another high profile game, also showcasing gameplay from their work. Then, years later, development ceased and CyGames restarted development without them, for some reason, again under odd circumstances.
Wonderful 101 was crowdfunded on Kickstarter, and the launch was riddled with hiccups, glitches, poor performance, etc., which turned into a disappointing rerelease. Have they even fixed everything yet? Where did those Kickstarter funds go if Wonderful101 ended up launching in that state?
Now we have Bayonetta 3. Absolutely nothing shown since it was announced in 2017, and like others have said, multiple games have come and gone throughout the silence. Some of the more cynical people can't help but wonder if the same thing will happen to Bayo3. Was it just such a low priority for Platinum that they put it on the back burner for a year or two?
They were capable of mismanaging their partnership with Microsoft, one of the Big 3 in the gaming industry, so what would make Nintendo's partnership for Bayo3 any different? The fact that it's a partnership with Nintendo doesn't suddenly make Bayo3 unique from Scalebound.
Now with that said, yes, obviously more rational minds will first understand that the pandemic has greatly delayed development across the board for the whole industry. That in itself was the biggest "delay" for everyone. We basically lost 6~ months to almost a year depending on the studio. But I don't know. Even I just don't have a lot of confidence in Platinum* right now.
This is exactly why you don't announce a game the day you start making it. Lol
Lmao I love how Kamiya's being as real as possible about internet speculation and fan expectations coupled with pretentious comments, and the top comment on this article is a pretentious comment lol
Like way to prove his point
@Slowdive because he didn't have any news about the game? or because he said he was annoyed by the badgering he receives about the game? Do you realize how pathetic you sound, no of course you don't.
Y'know, there used to be a time Nintendo fans were happy to wait for a game, knowing it will be ready when it's ready. These days, if a game isn't spat out in a couple of months, all sorts of drama surrounds it.
Honestly, I get gaming is more mainstream these days, but lord allmighty, the average iq of gamers has had to take a hit because of it. I dare say there is room for it to drop further as it becomes even more popular.
@Ventilator Not to be argumentative, but please believe me when I tell you Sony fans weren't the only ones clamoring for Bayo 2. Xbox fans was up in arms as well. So yeah both Xbox and PS regretted it. I didn't care about them crying about it not being on their platform of choice. Get a Nintendo console if you want to play the game. Same with Bayo 3. You want it....get a Switch!
@GrailUK Tell me about it.
"He announced it too early!!!!!😭" I thought Nintendo announced it.
"Just give us (who the hell is "us"?) a screenshot!!!!!😭" Followed by "it looks like a PS2 game!!!!!😭"
Any wonder people laugh at gamers...
@Slowdive 1) "pretty much nothing" =/= "nothing"
2) "a number of trailers": in 2018 we were told that development has begun, and in 2020 we got the first trailer
This is what I was getting at. It's not complete radio silence, but it's very close if you consider this is the only info we got in 4 years.
"According to someone in the know the game had a restart of development. We were not informed about any of this. It's utterly disgraceful. In short: they are burning bridges by lambasting fans for being concerned. Terrible PR."
Ah yes, someone on the internet said the game was restarted, so let's take that as gospel. 😂
We were not informed of something that probably never even happened?
And why do you feel entitled to be informed of every stage of development? Do you understand how ridiculous and pretentious that sounds?
Do you get why people use "gamers" as a pejorative?
Well, you know the old saying: "no news is no news."
...Yeah...he announced it way too early. At least Nintendo told us what was going with Prime 4. All he's giving us is "it's going good"...for the last few years. No clips, no descriptions on anything, not even a screenshot...just..."it's good".
I kinda stopped caring about the game at this point, I bet after this whole time the game will end up being "meh" when it finally releases anyways.
developing a good game i think not easy, especially in this world situation, be patient gamers, bayonetta 3 is coming!
Don't announce something that's clearly not ready. At first I didn't mind him telling off peeps. But now he's just petty and seems to be on a high horse. It's 4 years. Of course people want to know if Bayo 3 is still a thing and he's not being helpful by being a ahole about it
This comes to Switch Pro!!!!
@Slowdive Nice hot take...
@Slowdive I'm not about to build up some false narrative based on hearsay. The game is taking time to make. Restarting a game is never a bad thing (look at Devil May Cry 2 hee hee.) Honestly, games take so long to make, if you have a hook, you don't show it. Because it takes an entrepreneur with much less integrity a fraction of the time to make something that copies it.
I don't take his comments as lambasting his fanbase. Roughly translated, the guy is telling everyone to chill out.
I've said this in a previous post on the subject and I'll say it again. This is all in Nintendo's court. I'm confident by now the game is done and collecting dust on the shelf. However it's all on Nintendo to decide when to release anything about it. We all know how Nintendo can be on things like this. They're holding out till they decide its the right time. I'm confident it will be like a Metroid Dread situation. Absolutely nothing of existence but then when Nintendo says so they'll release a trailer followed by a release date within 3-6 months. I'll bet vital parts of my anatomy on that. The only difference between the 2 games is we are aware of Bayo 3's existence. I put that on Nintendo making the call to reveal its being made. Can you imagine if Dread was revealed years back like Bayo 3? All you folks would be marching with torches and pitch forks after every Direct if there was no news of it just like with Bayo 3. Just hold on Bayo 3 is coming when Nintendo says we can have it. Unfortunately this dude Hideki Kamiya is taking all the heat for Bayo 3's absence all this time and its out of his hands. I'd be frustrated as hell like him too if I had to deal with all this while Nintendo celebrates their latest new game(s) unrelated to Bayonetta. I sure hope Nintendo sends him a "Thanks for being our punching bag" pizza after its released.
He only has himself to blame.
unless the game is held up because Platinum took too much on. there's always the possibility Nintendo is asking them to hold back due to pushing an enhanced version for Switch Pro.
I think Nintendo aren't happy with the game for some reason. Maybe it's too violent and they're in some kind of weird standoff. They would have shown something by now if they were confident what they have resembles what they will release. I think it's time to come out and say something about the game good or bad. If it's having issues then be honest, if not then explain why is taking so long. Something... anything.
I'm definitely not pre-ordering it that's for sure. I'll wait for some trusted reviews on this one. I hate to say it, but I wonder if the game is a bit of a dud and they can't say anything bad that will affect sales and Nintendo don't want to release cause of its quality. Either way my expectations have been severely tempered, which means if it does come and is great that'll be a nice surprise.
@earthinheritor Bayonetta 2 is also on Wii U. I have the double pack with the first game.
Mr. Wordsworth from the Obsolete Man Twilight Zone: History teaches you nothing.
Platinum Games, don't let impatient fans get to you. Take your time and craft a masterpiece. The last thing we need is another Cyberpunk or Mass Effect, or Fallout 76, or, you get the point.
He is full of it. He purposely teases right before E3 as if something was going to be shown. Then after being in development for years and no real update he is upset people have negative feelings.
I think its on both him and Nintendo, i imagine that Platinum told Nintendo they are making Bayonetta 3 back in 2017, so Nintendo told them to announce it.
I guess the lack of any tangible news regarding the game is because Platinum haven't actually been working on it.
I don't think the lack of any news for the game is on Nintendo though, i would imagine that if Platinum had something to show off, Nintendo would of let them do it, they let them announce the game 4 years ago so i don't see what reason they would have to not let them show us anything. Unless there is nothing to show.
It's definitely Nintendo's fault that it was announced so early but i think going forward, the lack of news related to the game is on Platinum.
This guy really needs to calm down. Or either he doesn't understand how this works and how long waits can be tiresome, or most certainly has himself in higher importance than he actually has. I'm not a fan of Bayoneta, but moody devs, and especially without reason tend to make me not being interested at all.
@Slowdive and you're absolutely right. I never even played Bayoneta, but there are people who defend this behaviour. Guy got offended because someone simply asked him if the game was in development hell and throws a tantrum at a fan... and people still come and defend him. I'm wild guessing but these might be the people who couldn't care less that are sexual harassments and crunchs on companies, since devs are always right. Funny that when are the fans that do this, everyone gathers to burn it, now, if it's a developer; ah, well, he's so funny...
No. He's not funny. He's a rude guy who does this over and over and still will until someone slaps him in the mouth, which is the only medication for some rude little s...ts.
@Slowdive getting at? You replied to me and I spelled out the marginal difference between four years of wait for SMTV and four years of wait for Bayo 3, simple as that.
As for defending Kamiya, I don't even know where you take that from. I was just comparing the little info we've had with the little info we gad for SMTV as well, and that is gonna turn out just fine; as well as pointing out that it was Nintendo who unveiled the thing, not P*.
So, in the end, what are you going on about? D'you need a Kit Kat mate?
He's not wrong.
It's one thing to be excited and want info. But there seems to be a trend now where if a game isn't giving updates in a timely manner that people dictate, their response is, "oh its probably cancelled". And that is reckless. I've been saying that for some time now.
People did it for Dragon Quest XI S. I told people they were being reckless with those comments. Then they looked like idiots when it released.
Then they did it for Shin Megami Tensei V. I told people they were being reckless with their "it's canceled" comments. And they looked like idiots when it was revealed and shown to be releasing this year.
Now they're doing it for Bayonetta 3. For goodness sakes, just sit back, shut up, go play other games and he'll let us know when it's ready. Not getting updates when you want them doesn't mean it's canceled. It means it's not ready yet.
@Slowdive totally agree. In the beginning was that clichéd image of the "always angry Japanese", and it had some fun. Now, it just shows that he has no respect for his fans, the ones who actually pay for his salary.
I don’t understand why people are so keen to hound a developer about a new game in a franchise. It’ll be ready when it’s ready. Who cares if it was announced ages ago, throwing out random speculation is a waste of time, as he said. After Cyberpunk 2077 you’d think people would learn to avoid this.
But as an olive branch, let me just add that if they do release B3 after all this time and it’s a mess, then it’s fair to be frustrated.
It's crazy because, as Nintendo is both publishing and paying for the development of this game, it's entirely up to Nintendo to give the green light for him to speak about the game. He is basically between a rock and a hard place. People need to stop taking video games so damn seriously, already. Get a damn life! Maybe if you had one, you wouldn't be sitting around waiting for a damn game to come out.
I'm not a fan of his games at all, but what the .... did he expect? If you announce a game and you say next to nothing about it for 4 years, people are going to be frustrated and upset. Next time treat your fans with more respect.
Same thing goes for BotW "2" and MP 4, why do I need to know that a game is coming 4 years ahead of their release? In my opinion games should be announced like Metroid Dread.
I agree the same is true about Prime 4, but it’s more understandable cause Nintendo was picking up the pieces of their disastrous Federation Force game and wanted the fans to be excited, about something. So I get the reasoning there, even though it was flawed and the development started over. A shame it happened that way.
Agreed that Bayonetta 3 is just simply a case of announcing way too early, and we’ve seen absolutely nothing about it.
That's what happens when you remain dead silent for 4 years. What else did he expect?
@MrGawain but on the other end of the spectrum, whenever Platinum Games does work on TMNT or Star Fox, the games are rushed and horrible
Well that’s what happens when you announce a game too early and then go years without showing anything.
No sympathy here. Show something or shut up.
Same for Nintendo if they're bringing it back.
Probably holding it for switch pro
We're lucky to be getting it at all really. Did Bayonetta sell many between Switch and Wii U?
Some are thinking they're having trouble running it on Switch at what I think is the target performance of 60fps.
What I think is, as much as I want it to visually resemble DMC V, I wonder how for much it's going be performing.
When they announced this the Switch was very much still an unknown so it was important for Nintendo to set the tone after the abysmal WiiU. Yes I would like to see more but there’s been plenty shown and released so it’s not like I’m dying for this.
@ThomasBW84 This thread may be the worst I ever have read on Nintendo Life!
Please, Mr. Editor, I beg of you: prepare a series of articles explaining the realities of AAA development... no, video game development in general!
I understand that you parse news daily to maintain site traffic, but threads like this drive people away!
@Matl @FireRabbit @KeyBladeMaster-Dan @Yosher @Kurusu @Deadlyblack @Joeynator3000 @RoguePirate
Can you show me the video, tweet, article, press release in which Bayonetta 3 was first announced? Tell me: in that announcement, do you see, hear or read the words of Kamiya, or any Platinum representative?
I consider Hideki Kamiya to be a total jackass... but "fans" shouldn't sink to his level! I wonder how some people here could possibly ever function in jobs involving large public infrastructure projects, scientific investigations, or education!
@COVIDberry this part is quoted from my own above post.
Seems you didn't read it before typing this dribble.
"It's definitely Nintendo's fault that it was announced so early but i think going forward, the lack of news related to the game is on Platinum."
Before you decide to bundle everyone up in one line. Read everything they wrote.
I never said Platinum announced the game. I put that on Nintendo.
The irony of the last bit of your comment is unreal, you talk about "investigations" - but you didn't even read all of ours posts.
I think its on both him and Nintendo, i imagine that Platinum told Nintendo they are making Bayonetta 3 back in 2017, so Nintendo told them to announce it.
Nintendo told Platinum to announce the game?
Platinum told Nintendo they were making the game?
That's impressive. But yes, I am the one foisting "dribble" on the comment section. It can keep your drivel company...
@COVIDberry Uhh, what?? I don't understand what you're asking here. They simply showed off a teaser trailer at E3 2017 and after that there's been several notions of Kamiya tweeting development is going well. That simply gets tiring after a while if they don't actually back it up somehow, even if it is by simply showing up in a direct and showing a small piece of concept art or two for the game or a new teaser trailer. Heck, at the very least say something in the tweet like "we won't be ready to show anything for a white yet, but please be patient", but don't start calling your fans names. I don't see what any actual word from the developers in or around that teaser trailer has to do with anything. It was announced, now here we are 4 years later with just as much information as we had back then, simple as that.
It's their job to keep fans looking forward to their game and they're failing to do that right now. Of course that doesn't mean they can't win those fans back over when they show stuff again, which they will probably do for a good amount of them. But as it is right now people are simply growing tired of hearing the same story several times over.
Don't get me wrong though, I think fans should just leave them alone and let them work on the game in peace. It will be released when it's good and ready. As Miyamoto once said, a delayed game will eventually be good, a rushed game will be bad forever. So I'm glad they're taking their time. But I can also understand fans getting worried about the status of this game due to hearing nothing about it for so long aside from 'development is going well'. Eventually they really have to show something to actually show fans that development is indeed going well. That's all. I know it's not a reason to start harassing the guy though. But you're acting like we're the ones who were harassing him.
@COVIDberry well who do you think made that gameplay trailer for Nintendo to showcase?
Use your common sense buddy.
Can't be that hard to figure out.
@Yosher I'm definitely not accusing you of harassing Kamiya.
I'm pointing out that Kamiya didn't announce this game, and that Platinum didn't announce this game. It was Nintendo's decision to announce it.
Given the context of late 2017 - when the Switch was doing well, but before its success was by any means a sure thing - I can understand the announcement of this game's development. Just as I can understand the announcement of MP4's development. Neither the fans (nor the market) knew what Nintendo and the broader industry had in store for Switch. They needed to entice people.
I agree with most of what you're saying, anyway. My point here is to remind people of the context and puncture this apparent belief that Kamiya (the xenophobe) calls the shots here. He did not and he does not, though his online persona might have some people believe otherwise. The whole narrative of this man's career is that other people make the decisions for him; that's why Platinum is seeking greater heft in the marketplace...
@COVIDberry Huh. Is that how that works? Doesn't Platinum hold the rights to Bayonetta, and as such, they are the ones who have to greenlight revealing it to the public? If it was Nintendo's decision then I find that rather confusing to be honest, and if so then they are also the ones who should give proper updates on it once in a while.
@Yosher I am quite sure that Platinum does not hold the copy/rights to Bayonetta. The Bayo 3 trailer only displays a SEGA trademark, although I have read in various places that Nintendo has some ownership rights as well. (I think I find all of this just as unclear as you do.)
I am, however, quite certain that Nintendo's funding was pivotal to the franchise at a critical time. It is Nintendo money that is making all of this happen even now; Platinum is very evidently cash-poor. It was and is Nintendo that calls all the shots here.
If Nintendo had not disbursed the funding, Bayonetta 2 would not have appeared when it did (it may never have appeared!), and I cannot think that Bayonetta 3 would be as far along as it must be now. (I can imagine that a newly acquisitive and IP-hungry Microsoft might have purchased the rights or made a deal with Sega, but that is a fairly recent development.)
@COVIDberry Yeah I'm well aware of how Nintendo saved Bayonetta and that this was how Bayonetta 2, and most likely Bayonetta 3, came to be. But I didn't think the Bayonetta IP itself had shifted ownership or anything, even if partially. (Though I did forget it was SEGA who owned the IP and Platinum were the ones to simply develop it, sorry about that.)
As such I always believed Platinum (or well, really SEGA) were the ones still making the decisions on this. But regardless of who decided on showing the game that early clearly didn't make the best decision here. Still not a reason to pester the developers of course either way.
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