Since the reveal of Nintendo's latest battle royale game Super Mario Bros. 35, there have supposedly been some comparisons to a fan-made Mario Battle Royale game that received a takedown notice last June.
Reports about Nintendo's game being a "rip off" are "not true", according to a translation by PushDustIn - which reveals Mario 35 was in development well before the release of Tetris 99 in February last year.
"Mihara, who works for Arika Co. Ltd (they worked on Mario 35), confirms that Mario 35 was actually in development before Tetris 99 was even released. There was some reporting in the West that Mario 35 is a rip off of a Mario Battle Royale game, but that's not true."
In a follow-up tweet, it's noted how Arika was already in the process of testing Super Mario Bros. 35 at the time of the fan-made release. And in addition to this, Mario 35 doesn't use emulation.
"When the Mario Battle Royale game was released, Arika was already in the process of testing Mario 35.
Mario 35 doesn't use emulation either, and the team received advice from Nintendo."
Last month, the creator of Mario Royale told Polygon he was surprised when he first saw Super Mario Bros. 35, but was more than happy to take credit for the idea:
“My first reaction was ‘Oh wow, should have seen that coming,’”
“It’s honestly really funny that some nonsense joke idea I came up with ended up being yoinked by a giant corporation like Nintendo. They must be really out of ideas over there.”
Have you tried out Super Mario Bros. 35 yet? Did you play the Mario Royale while it was about? Tell us down below.
[source twitter.com]
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That is the issue with these fan-made games. Nintendo could be making them secretly when a fan-made game is released then they or someone else accuses Nintendo of stealing the idea.
If anything it just shows that Nintendo had good reason for having the fan-made one (which is the true rip off really) taken down considering Nintendo were already working on officially releasing a game with the same concept.
@Northwind I'm almost positive that they will put a paid version later and they might even add things like combining levels from different 2D Mario games because it would sell like crazy, but it's Nintendo so don't quote me on that.
@Northwind I am sure they will pull a Jump Rope and change there minds on 31st March. Or maybe they will switch to Mario 3 or world levels. It would be so good to have representation from all the 2Ds
@Northwind My guess is that it will remain around longer if it continues to be popular. Even Tetris 99 will go away when there are not enough people playing the game.
A note to fan-hacks: if a variation on a theme of Mario Bros. suddenly pops in your head, assume that Nintendo’s thought of it already. Don’t kid yourself thinking that you’ve out-thought decades worth of some of the best game makers on the planet, LOL!
Dudes being pretty petty about it. You stole a property and now think you have the right to condemn Nintendo for using their own property as they see fit? If you put your ideas out there like this it’s fair game since what you’re doing is illegal.
I played for about an hour today and really enjoyed my time with it. I do worry though I will grow bored of this WAY before I would ever in Tetris99.
The good news is that I have already finished #1 several times in Mario where my all time high is 3 in Tetris
They did a great job on emulating the look of SMB, so I can see why they some people would think its emulation, even tough it was pretty obvious to me when you could bounce off enemies (like post SMB 3 platfomers) that this was developed from the ground up.
Also if March was menat to be the original starting date for Mario's 35th celebration as rumored, it doesn't seem unlikely that SMB 35 would've been finished in time to release it in time for the first few months of the celebration.
Pretty backwards logic to think Nintendo ripped off the fan game when said fan game used Nintendo's property, assets etc. to begin with.
Nobody hates Nintendo more than Nintendo fans. First they're about Mario 3D all stars now it's this. Can't wait to see how a potential Zelda collection makes everyone grab their pitch forks!
Who cares, the guy literally stole Nintendo's characters and assets. Serves him right. Try making original characters and worlds next time if you're so talented.
"It’s honestly really funny that some nonsense joke idea I came up with ended up being yoinked by a giant corporation like Nintendo."
Forgetting that the joke used the IP of that giant corporation and that they already had a similar game with Tetris 99
This is precisely why Nintendo insist on take downs. If someone can't appreciate this, then they are a moron. (Probably reads harsher than intended, but I haven't had my coffee yet!)
Fan creations are always derivative, and you'll eventually find something that ressembles what Nintendo themselves are doing.
Like, is the dude really complaining about Nintendo doing a fairly obvious idea with the character? One of the most famous characters in gaming and the trendy genre right now?
Ha ha. Why would someone like Nintendo "rip-off" and "fan-made" game. Makes no sense?
This game is amazing and thank you nintendo for taking you time in making it, now one make this game stay on the ehop forever two HAAAAA its not a tetris 99 ripoff to the ppl who said that go suck a big one.
I have to say tho! This game is lots of fun and challenging.
@NinChocolate Whether or not Nintendo has ALL the ideas out there themselves (which you're saying the dozens or whatever number they employ as official game desingers, have more ideals than millions of fans collectively), Nintendo only puts out something if they think it will make them money.
Maybe sometimes it takes the fans throwing the ideas out there to prove the potential.
Ever considered that idea?
We wouldn't have Mario Maker if fans had been making their own ROM editors and fangames for 15-20 years before that, and we wouldn't have the Virtual Consoles if fan emulators didn't exist.
Like, I read about how when iTunes launched and quickly became the biggest, Sony could've been there first but they had to be afraid of it cannibalizing their existing CD business whereas Apple didn't have that problem.
Some ideas just get held back by corporate problems.
@LEGEND_MARIOID
Because they don't have a closed mind that everything unofficial is bad.
Some people play Nintendo games and feel these strong sensations of "joy" and "excitement" that they like to write their own stories and sometimes even games based on their ideas of the characters. I am sorry if a Nintendo game has never peaked your interest so heavily that you have felt a relatable sensation. I'm just guessing that by your comment.
It's almost like, why do we even have Nintendo fan websites and videos and everything else?
@Clyde_Radcliffe Yeah, how dare he like Nintendo characters but how about you try making original characters and worlds.
*Makes a fan made game with taken assets and assembles a game similar to Fun Run and battle royal...... *
Scoffs at nintendo for making something like tetris 99 because he "thought of it first"
Dude, you did something, but don't act like your the only one who has had an original idea, especially since it's just reusing assets. Smh
You’d have to be a massive douche to think that Nintendo copied your hobby mod.
@Courageous Metroid 2 comes to mind.
@KingMike Nobody said he can't LIKE Nintendo characters. Total strawman.
@KingMike what ‘millions of fans’ don’t have is access to the kind of information produced by those millions of fans that Nintendo has had for a very long time about their games, even before internet sharing. It’s not about a million ideas, it’s about implementing the ideas that will appeal the broadest set of fans at any given time. Nintendo is in a better position to do that because of resources. Resources that even the individual brilliant-minded fan creator hasn’t had. Does Nintendo have ‘all’ the ideas? No. But they have a quicker understanding of the quality of any given idea because of their catalogue of experience and resources that fans, even collectively just don’t have
If it was a rip off, that would be fine. If you use someone elses logo, characters, etc., in your game, in my mind you are saying that they own it, and your work is theirs.
If I make an electric car, and market it as a Tesla, I think Tesla should rightfully "rip off" any innovations I might have also put in the car (assuming I didn't rip off those as well)
@KingMike Not sure how you got that out of what I wrote and it is not certainly what I meant. I am actually a bit of a fan of some fanmade stuff of animated, tv, game and book serieses that I like. My point is merely is why an highly experienced company like Nintendo themselves, who own the IP, would "need" to do that in this case.
Sure MM, tapped into that desire of ppl wanting to make alternative interpretations and expand on Nintendo's own ideas. The kids and I loved the 2 games.
@KingMike "We wouldn't have Mario Maker if fans had been making their own ROM editors and fangames for 15-20 years before that, and we wouldn't have the Virtual Consoles if fan emulators didn't exist."
Yeah, because emulation wasn't a logical next step in compiling older classics in demand for years (including Nintendo themselves since at least GBA) and level editors weren't around on an official capacity as far back as the NES/Famicom era.
As for "how about you try making original characters and worlds", most people with an imagination routinely indulge in that since childhood. Fanworks are a positive and welcome phenomenon by and large, another testimony to the resonance with and inspiration granted by the source at hand - but they're still inferior to original worldcraft in status (mind you, a very separate category from quality) and still use someone else's creations without permission, hence often limiting their open public distribution (mind you again, a very separate category from their existence) to the latter's mercy at a given period.
Why does it matter where they got the idea? A "rip-off" is still a good game if it's good, and if it's a bad game, why would you even care?
@NinChocolate this really, thinking of mixing the biggest gaming franchise with the latest gaming fad isn’t a grand idea by any stretch you’d have to assume Nintendo had thought of it too. That being said it is nice to see these fan made projects
“It’s honestly really funny that some nonsense joke idea I came up with ended up being yoinked by a giant corporation like Nintendo. They must be really out of ideas over there.”
As if Nintendo is able to out of ideas. They are one of the few that actually refresh the gaming industry on a regular basis.
@elpardo1984 Especially as they'd already done the same thing with Tetris and the Mario one uses the same layout and features!
How long have they been working on this game???? Are you serious?! This is something you can create in a few months.
@Courageous True. This is the same reason for why film studios generally don't read scripts sent to them.
The important thing is that the fan released it first. So who cares who was developing it first? The fan beat Nintendo to the punch, that's all; and Nintendo is simply being a baby about it.
no idea if Nintendo will change it from free to play to a purchasable game after 6 months or if they will change the time limitedness if it becomes popular.
However it is an excellent game and I am having a blast playing it. I am not too worried that it is time limited and will enjoy it while I can
My guess is that it will depends on demand, if enough player keep playing this game after 6 months, they will extend it's availability. After all, this is an online game and if by that time, the novelty had worn off, and you have to wait 5 minutes to populate the 35-slot, then it will not look good on the paid Nintendo online community...
And just like Tetris 99, they might make a paid version with offline CPU opponents and themes (Super Mario All-Stars version)...
Someone who wasn't even able to come up with his own assetts and characters accuses Nintendo of running out of ideas? Some people really need a reality check.
@Snakesglowcaps Well said.
@Snatcher
I don't think people are calling this a Tetris 99 rip-off, considering a "rip-off" usually would come from a 3rd-party developer.
The only reason people are comparing this to Tetris 99 is for an obvious reason - HUD. The HUD is the exact same as Tetris 99's, just with less players.
I guess someone should tell the "creator" of the Mario Battle Royale game to get over themselves. Not in a roundabout way, like articles such as this, but directly.
"You guys stole your own game that we stole initially"
@Courageous The issue is a fan was able to do it faster?
Either nintendo is lying or incompetent if it took this long to make.
@Clyde_Radcliffe He stole them?
Can Nintendo get mario back? Will they ever be able to make another mario game?
Or do you mean it used intellectual property without a license? Because that's not stealing, just copyright infringement.
Oooh l want to play Super Mario 35! Game is more fun looking. I got bored of Tetris 99, l remember l actually fell asleep playing it. Was a bit upset when that happened xD
It's true, Nintendo are notorious hacks. Adding Minecraft Steve to Smash was based on an idea I had two and a half weeks ago.
Either way they need to stop worrying about fan games as much. Makes them look bad. Fan games do not or ever have hurt a brand like they always seem to insist.
I recall a Gnomz game on the Wii that this was very similar too. Also Super Mario War
Pat on the shoulder for having a good idea and making it work. Come up with the next one that doesn't use well known IP.
Nintendo: No no no, I can assure you that we had the idea first. Uh huh.
And honestly, in practice, it is very different than that fan game anyway.
@duffmmann exactly. The way they work is totally different... a lot of people in the comments seem to be ignoring that simple fact and getting diverted by a general argument about fan made games using assets
I'm just surprised that no one had commented yet about the fact that this idea really began with the Nintendo World Championship in the early 90s. It had Super Mario Bros. as well as Tetris. The technology for this simply wasn't quite there yet, but I'd be shocked if the concept was not explored at least a little bit during the development of the competition.
"Idiot literally steals a company's IP and then acts like they stole it from him."
@Ttimer5 Michael Keaton in Night Shift. "I'm sittin' in the casino with my Wash 'n Drys ... Did I tell you I had the idea for them first? Only they already had 'em."
So the guy who made a fan game using Nintendo assets what's credits?
Well first off, did he get permission to use their characters and such? Pretty sure as the owners, Nintendo can do whatever they like to protect their property. And I know some would complain "But____company let us"
True. Some companies like Sega might not mind fan games. But every company has their own rules that others (players) should follow.
Don't follow it. Well you might get something you don't like in return.
Came here to see the mindless hive mind and was not disappointed.
He should just do what fanfic writers have done for years now to get around copyright. Make a Greek Mario knock off and release his game. Also the fact that it's a fanmade game doesn't mean that Nintendo couldn't steal from it.
I mean they're so creative. Surely they could come up with something no one's done before? I mean this isn't a company that's so low effort about cash grabs that there's still no confirmation they didn't simply sell us pirated roms back right?
You cannot rip off your own IP. Period.
tbh with the whole mechanic of dropping enemies onto other peoples screens, it seems diff enough from just competing to clear the stage the fastest in the fanmade game
@Sandro89 Smd?
@boxyguy exactly
3D All-Stars is still lazier than the All-Stars Wii port. This time around it is just a collection with a digital soundtrack.
Nintendo might be innovative but being a business comes first. Believing that everything they do is innovative is delusional.
I'm indifferent about the whole accusation, do think it's pretty arrogant though. The game itself isn't exactly complex though.
Imagine trying to claim a company who owns the IP as "ripping off" a fan game that ripped off an IP in the first place. The amount of butthurt.
News flash: Illegally stealing someone's IP means you give up all forms of ownership to the project. Next time, don't use actual copyrighted characters so your idea doesn't get claimed or shut down, idiots.
Though on that note, I'm pretty sure that Nintendo had the original idea to begin with. People just like to whine for clout.
Imagine saying with a straight face that Nintendo is out of ideas.
There's a lot to be annoyed with but their ability to churn out incredibly inventive games and concepts is not one of them.
Nintendo has been sleazy lately, but I'm with them on this. The guy who got his game taken down gave an arrogant response, as if he was the first person to have the idea of inserting battle Royale into a game. Sry dude, it was cool, but youre naive if you think it was original.
Game rips off art from another game and that's somehow not the rip off? Mario 35 is so much better.
@Anthony8851 I don't know I picked up the wii port and was kind of disappointed nothing was added at all and it came with a disc soundtrack (at the time those were still a thing lol) . I mean at least for this game I'm getting a whole bunch of games that are phenomenal for an extremely cheap price in a collection never seen before. They could have done better, but it's a solid collection. IMO it is really held down by no galaxy 2 though.
The concept itself is not original for a while, so it isn't a surprise that more than one person though about applying it to Super Mario Bros. Did you folks play Puzzle Pirate already? The sword fighting puzzle is pretty much the same idea, but years before.
@KingMike "We wouldn't have Mario Maker if fans had been making their own ROM editors and fangames for 15-20 years before that, and we wouldn't have the Virtual Consoles if fan emulators didn't exist."
I don't see any logical evidence that would indicate Mario Maker wouldn't exist without rom hacks or that emulators created the idea for the virtual console. Nintendo hosted Mario level making concepts (draw on graph paper) even back in the 1980s, and they've made collections of classic games and ports/etc since the 1990s. The virtual console isn't anything beyond a digital store selling old games. It's no different than any other collection, other than being digital only.
@StevenG The issue absolutely, 100% is NOT that a fan was able to do it faster. Even if that were somehow true (it's not), calling them incompetent for making a polished, complete experience and taking more time, is just dumb.
The real issue, the one that is difficult to understand why people aren't mentioning this, is that Mario Battle Royale and Super Mario 35 are ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like each other. They aren't even vaguely similar, beyond both using Super Mario Bros as a base. Have you ever even SEEN or played either?
Mario Battle Royale is a speed run contest. That's it. It's a race through 1-1 from Super Mario Bros. First three people to the flagpole get placed and "win". Everyone else loses. To call it a Battle Royale is dumb as it's literally just a low end speed run contest of Mario with hanky netcode. Nintendo has been officially doing speed run contests for decades. The only thing.. literally the ONLY thing that game does that isn't just standard Super Mario Bros gameplay is it's online.. and even that is nothing new because online speedrunning has been around officially since Super Mario Maker on the Wii U.
Super Mario 35 is a survival contest. It's not a race to the flagpole. In fact, you can go through dozens of levels from the game, one after another. The point is to collect coins and then kill as many enemies as possible as they add to your timer and they send enemy attacks at the players you target. You get power ups and keep them, like the fire flower, but killing one enemy with the fire flower only nets you +1 second while killing them with bopping or shell kicking gives +2, all the way up to +9 if you get combos. Then you just stay alive as the pace of the game pitches up until it's a fever pace, hundreds of enemies everywhere and the clock depleting at many times the normal rate until all players maybe from screwing up or running out of their clock.
It's such a different game that it's impossible to see why anyone ever tried to act like it could even potentially be a ripoff. The only DNA they share is literally that they use Mario Bros, which that nerd didn't invent.
@Snakesglowcaps The game was free and their fore is completely legal.
Lol almost every game is a "rip off" of some other game. I say games are just a cheap rip off of real life. Ive seen Italian plumbers kicking turtles into huge mushrooms my entire life, it's practically an everyday thing where im from.
@Goat_FromBOTW that is very incorrect. The assets used are owned by Nintendo and not to be reproduced or distributed. If it’s so legal why do you think it was taken down and a cease and desist was issued?
...I should hope fan gamemakers know they don't own any legal rights to the characters they pirate, I would hope they understand that much. But if they want to get sued with less power to them, be my guest
Yeah right nintendo stole the idea it has to much in common with the other battle royal game, and somehow this new game just happens to come out of nowhere.
Please make another Endless Ocean game, Arika.
Please.
This fan project sounded cool, but, people would be smart to change things, especially graphics, sound and levels. If you're going to put in the effort to create it, you might as well make something wholly original, even if it does play nearly the same.
Its amazing how almost no one here guessed the fan games creator said that as a joke. This is a guy who remade Ground Zeroes opening in Halo as a joke or the SAO opening in Dark Souls 3. Hell, the anticheat FOR THE FAN GAME was called "Virginslayer" (Later renamed "Virginslayer Reloaded")
Also to that one guy a few comments above: Did you even play the game? Everyone shared the same map, Only 1 player got each powerup and it was from 1-1 to 1-3. Wait no, i think i know what happened. You must have activated Virginslayer as it put players in solo games
I agree with @Deltath in spite only being reminded of Mario Battle Royale’s existence just now. yeah; Mario 35 and Mario Battle Royale are totally different. The only thing they do share is the concept of adding online multiplayer with multiple people at once. However the execution is different: Mario Battle Royale was a real-time speed run to the flag pole, while Mario 35 is a endurance challenge. To say ‘Nintendo stole his Ideas’ is very unfair, once you take the execution of that concept into account.
@Zacattack99 Exactly. Yes, exactly! What did he supposedly invent that was stolen? The concept of online competitive multiplayer? The idea of competition in specifically a Mario game? Because that all already existed. Hell, Mario Bros. was one of the OG arcade competitive games with the original being kind of a survival battle as well.
Comparing the two I don't see any similarities in Super Mario Bros. 35. It is a completely different take on Super Mario Bros. with completey different modes.
This guy probably hasn't played SMB35 yet and is just assuming wrongly.
Also, yeah, Endless Ocean 3 please!
This game was in development since the Nintendo World Championships Super Mario Deluxe challenge, before that in the movie The Wizard. So 30 years then.
I think any fanmade content of an intellectual property is fair game for that company/entity to add in. I mean, what was the expected end result here? Couldn't be publishing his own game...he would've made his own characters like he ended up having to do. To get hired? Yeah I don't see any company saying, "You actively stole our property and used it to build something new? WELCOME ABOARD!" IF Nintendo stole it? Good, it's a fun product. If they didn't, even better.
Do you want take downs? Because this is how you get take downs!
PSA: SUPER MARIO BROS. ROYALE IS BACK UP! NEW LINK: https://mroyale.net/
LMFAO.Everything seems to be a ripoff to losers..they need to get a real hobby.
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