Marvel Discusses Potential Smash Bros. Ultimate Crossover, But Don't Count On It

Well it would be cool. Maybe in some next Smash...

I mean, if they ever make it in, there's literally no reason for Goku to not be in any more, either...since their characters don't originate from video games.

Hawkeye?

If that's what this guy thinks anyone wants out of a Smash / Marvel crossover then I think it's probably for the best that he doesn't make such decisions.

NO. Absolutely not. No deals with Disney. God knows what legal b***s*** or demands they'll pull behind the scenes.

@BoyfriendOfDeath As if Nintendo isn't even more restrictive.

Ugh, must everything popular be considered as a topic for Smash? Just because it’s cool and popular doesn’t mean it would fit the obvious theme of Smash Bros (which is Nintendo and a handful of third party gaming guests, by the way). That’s like trying to include elements from Game of Thrones or Toy Story in the Avengers just because they’re popular.

A crossover between Super Smash Bros. and Marvel Super Heroes would be nice but if Nintendo let it happen then anyone would want other comic book/manga under the sun to join Smash Bros. It'll take a lot of development and licensing to get the rights to everything and that'll be hard for Sakurai as he'll had to work extra hard on making the balance work again not to mention trying so hard to not screw up IPs that isn't his or Nintendo.

This would be awesome. Don't see it happening at all though. If it did, I hope it would all be MCU canon.

Marvel has already mixed it up with video game royalty with great results (Marvel vs. Capcom series). With that said, I'm of the opinion that the Smash Bros series should be for video game characters only.

@thesilverbrick ahem, isn't that exactly what Super Smash is about - combining different unfitting characters together? I mean, Kirby and Snake in the same game is ok, but having Spider-Man fighting against Yoshi is waaay too much for you?

@retro_player_22 People could want whomever and whatever they feel. Doesn't mean Nintendo or Sakurai is obligated or required to put them in. I mean, if Tony Stark/Iron Man happens to end up in a Smash game, that doesn't mean Strawberry Shortcake is gonna end up in the game. I'm sure the developers have a measure of common sense and self control

@jERS

Never knew Spider-Man originated from a video game. Please, tell me more.

@BoyfriendOfDeath oh you mean like telling Nintendo how Thanos would hold his cup of tea?

You people who vilify Disney must live sad lives.

MUGEN exists, just sayin.

@BoyfriendOfDeath same goes to Nintendo. They are hard headed as well. I believe they are a match

@Kal_ yes but most mugen games are not really the best

@Alucard83

Which is why you make your own...

That's kinda the point.

@jERS Smash is about crossing things into one another, but under an overarching theme, just like the Avengers about combining superheroes together, but under a theme (Marvel). Smash’s theme happens to be Nintendo and selected gaming guests. It’s clearly not a free-for-all in which everything under the sun is included, but some people seem to think it is. There’s a reason why every playable character in Smash is a video game character (and 86% of them are Nintendo-owned properties). There’s a theme to the roster. It’s not a simple grab bag of characters from across pop culture. There’s a reason why we don’t see Cookie Monster, Yoda and Captain Crunch as playable characters.

@thesilverbrick I clearly don't see the pattern and logic in character selection you are referring to, but that's probably my problem. Though, the main reason we don't see Cookie Monster and Captain Crunch on the roster is a lack of legal rights, if you ask me.

Obviously not gonna happen. Making a Marvel hero a smash fighter makes as much sense as adding Cool Spot or Goku. The one rule that definitely holds true for every character in Smash is that their origin is with Video Games. Granted, ROB was a physical accessory before he was actually in any video games, but his origins are still in video games all the same.

@jERS You don’t see that the roster of Smash Bros is entirely original video game characters?

I wouldn't mind Iron Man if he used his Marvel Vs Capcom moveset and the Proton Cannon being his final smash.

@thesilverbrick I see that, but do you really consider that to be enough? Does that mean that adding ToeJam & Earl would be okay with you? Just because they're entirely original video game characters?

@jERS This isn’t about what is “ok with me”. I’m simply saying that it doesn’t make any sense to add non-video game characters. Adding Marvel characters to Smash makes just as much sense as adding Ronald McDonald to the cast of the next Avengers movie.

@jERS I mean no one wants ToeJam & Earl, but they'd be more reasonable and welcome to Smash than the likes of Shrek, Spongebob, Buzz Lightyear, etc. etc. People might not like the choice of ToeJam & Earl, but at least the rule of all fighters in Smash having origins with video games would still hold true. Not sure why anyone would support changing this unwritten rule after it's held true 80 fighters in.

That would be very cool, but I really don't see this happening. Not anytime soon anyway. I never like to say never, cause Nintendo will surprise us sometimes with random things.

@thesilverbrick I'd be all for Cookie Monster in Smash except it would give the Shrek for Smash people a false sense of hope. 😎

I still think a Marvel - Smash marketing cross-over is possible. Should take Nintendo devs about 4 hours to make 5 or 6 Avengers stickers for a weekend Spirit fest. (or whatever they call it)

Didn't Smash recently have a "hero" Spirit fest or did I just imagine that? Maybe a couple of months ago.

@duffmmann Is that even a rule or it's just so happened that all characters at this moment originated from the video games?

@thesilverbrick well, this game doesn't make sense in general - that what's so special about it.

@jERS That's the point, its not a spoken rule, but it's clearly held true for every single fighter. There are obviously some criteria that need to be met in order to be considered for a fighter in Smash, and this one criteria is incredibly obvious at this point: the fighter's origin needs to be in video games.

@jERS

...Yess???

This isn't Tekken so no Negan from the Walking Dead, and this ain't Soul Caliber so no Darth Vader. And it ain't Fortnite so no Thanos.

Smash Bros is all about celebrating video game history, kinda like a hall of fame. If you're in Smash Bros, congrats, you made it.

@jERS But it does make sense, in that it’s a celebration of Nintendo and gaming specifically. It’s a gaming-themed crossover. And that’s part of why it’s special.

Honestly, Marvel has so many characters, they'd be better off hiring the Smash team to make a separate Marvel only Smash game. Which by the way, this is exactly what happened not long after Brawl with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Smash-Up, a Smash game using the TMNT IP for all the roster, stages, items, etc. and it was handled by much of the Brawl team.

Obviously starting a new Smash game from scratch means the roster couldn't start with 75 fighters again, despite Marvel having more than enough characters to reach that, they'd have to start with maybe 20 or so fighters (for balancing purposes and not overwhelming the team with the first title) and from there make it a franchise by slowly adding more fighters via DLC and later installments, following a similar model that Smash has taken over the years. Now this idea, I would fully support.

@thesilverbrick @Kal_ @duffmmann okay guys, I should admit it - that does make sense to me.

People get so ornery about this discussion, lol. I mean, is it really gonna kill Smash for the odd non original video game character to appear? Admittedly, Cookie Monster and Shrek might be pushing it, lol. But I don't see the harm in a Captain America, Thor, Hulk or Iron Man making an appearance.

@UmbreonsPapa It would definitely hurt the overall spirit of the game and go against the entire premise of the series. Plus in the past when IPs wanted to be in Smash they just made their own Smash game instead, go that route. If you're dedicated enough, hire the Smash team to help make the game in question, that's what TMNT did not long after Brawl and they released their own great Smash game, I fully support that, I however would have been very annoyed to instead see TMNT fighters appear in Smash.

Yeah it's possible but the probability is like 0.00001%

@duffmmann I guess I just have other annoyances when it comes to video games. I've been playing Smash from the beginning and it wouldn't have bothered me to see Ninja Turtle or two in the game. I wouldn't have thought otherwise of the series in general. I either would have used the characters or not.

@UmbreonsPapa To the casual gamer, perhaps they wouldn't care or think much of it, but if you actually embrace the entire premise and spirit of the Smash series, then you'll find yourself passionate about the series and dedicated to maintaining it's integrity where the origins of every fighter is with video games.

no thanks. don't want to see marvel in my smash bros. ever

@thesilverbrick I agree! Smash is Smash because it is a send-up to Video Games throughout the ages! Even newer characters like Shulk and Joker are added because of their immediate impact and the legacy behind them. Joker because is the most recognizable protagonist from Persona (and SMT in genearl), and Shulk because he started a Nintendo hallmark franchise and is tied to the Xenogears/Xenosaga series via his creators. There is meaning behind each character choice that makes it into Smash and if they allow Iron Man and Goku, than why not meme characters like Shrek at this point? It just does not make sense to me.

Marvel is comics, and Goku is manga and should belong in mash-ups meant for those mediums dedicated to those fans.Let Smash be about representing the gamers and the medium that they come from. I'd rather Master Chief before anybody like Goku.

I would not like this in the slightest. For one, it would break Sakurai's rule of "Characters need to originally be from a video game.", which would just open a huge can of worms and (IMO) taint the game. I also don't want the Disney of today to have any say in what goes on in Smash or Nintendo at all.
Sakurai does not need this kind of stress.

Hulk SMASHes his way into, um... Smash? :3

Maybe not a Marvel character, but what about Marvel-themed character costumes/stage themes? Kinda like what they did with Mario Kart and Mercedes?

I would like to see a marvel vs Nintendo game (with an awesome storymode)
Funny seeing Thanos in the mushroom Kingdom snapping his finger Hahah.

Ganon vs Thanos, just awesome. Hulk vs Captain falcon, Fox & Falco vs Ryu and Ken etc.

I'm a fan of Marvel characters. I even like Hawkeye, thanks to the Matt Fraction series. But you keep all those non-videogame intellectual properties faaaaaar away from my Smash.

I firmly stand by my "No Goku" rule, unless he appears as Kid Goku with the Nimbus Cloud and Power Pole from the NES Dragonball game.

It's really simple. Keep Smash for videogame related stuff only. And make a different game(s) for other kind of crossovers. Like the Olympic Games.

Sakurai already dismissed the idea, that Iron Man and Goku would be in Smash, so, no.

It not happening so why waste time thinking about it

@BensonUii king mickey from kingdom hearts hell yea

and id rather see marvel vs Nintendo then have marvel characters in smash

Nintendo would never add Marvel characters to Ultimate, but I could picture a remote chance of them partnering up for a completely original Marvel vs. Nintendo title... but again, very remote chance and if it did happen they'd almost certainly keep it separate from the Smash Bros. brand.

Possible ideas:
Marvel and Nintendo Kart Racing
Marvel and Nintendo Go to the Olympic Games
Marvel Super Heroes Meet Professor Layton
Marvel GO
The Legend of Gamora: Infinity Gem of Time
Captain America: Treasure Tracker

@LUIGITORNADO Oh really? You really think they're a great corporation despite not taking the Star Wars license away from EA? Or how they treated the original Star Wars cast? Or how they portrayed Carol Danvers Captain Marvel as a sociopath who can do no wrong in the comic book line? Or the attempted coverups of suicides in Disneyland Paris? So tell me this, how do I not vilify them?

@BoyfriendOfDeath

1. First world problems.
2. Yes. Disney mandated that the new Star Wars movies were poorly written. First world problems.
3.Yes. Disney also made you dislike Captain Marvel. First world problems.
4. And yes. Disneyland Paris is responsible for a few workers taking their own lives. Not like they have thousands of other workers who haven't killed themselves. Not like there are people who hold steady jobs all over the globe and kill themselves. Not like if these workers were unhappy with their employment at Disney that they had no other choice to seek employment elsewhere.

Disney is so evil and vile, and it has nothing to do with people who are mentally ill and can't learn to consume other media if they're un happy. It all has to do with how evil Disney is.

Considering that Samus and Link were originally going to appear in Marvel Ultimate Alliance for the Wii, I don't think a crossover promotion (perhaps DLC) is out of the question. Neither character would look at all out of place next to the likes of Iron Man or Hawkeye anyway.

@LUIGITORNADO

“The pursuit of making money is the only reason to make movies. We have no obligation to make history. We have no obligation to make art. We have no obligation to make a statement” — Michael Eisner Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of The Walt Disney Company from September 1984 to September 2005

Also Disney rides off of their own success without bringing anything new to the table. Even Pixar had to undergo the Disney formula after Inside Out. Making passable movies, the bare minimum to be acceptable.

@duffmmann Speak for yourself, I’d love Toejam & Earl in Smash. It’d be jammin’!

(Before I get flamed in this surprisingly angry thread, I’m not saying they deserve to be in Smash)

Marvel vs. Smash (or Nintendo). I'm down

If it’s something akin to Marvel vs Capcom, then cool. But if they mean having a marvel character as a fighter, then no. They’re not game characters

If this were 10 years ago I would be all in on a Marvel Comic based on Smash Bros and Marvel crossing over.

I would not touch anything that the current Marvel Comics releases these days.

Marvel vs Nintendo anyone?

@UmbreonsPapa It wouldn't "kill" it but it's just dangerously out of place.

Please no. Pleeeease no. Marvel has seeped into enough corners of pop culture already. Enough is enough.

@Kalmaro Well Nintendo finally got rid of their let's play restriction and is having an indie team work on a Zelda spin-off so... No. They're not more restrictive lol.

Never gonna happen, but a Marvel Themed Smash game developed by Sakurai and Exclusive to Nintendo would be the Perfect Follow up to Smash Ultimate

Spider-Man would be super fun but ya its not gonna happen. And if it does Hawkeye has less of a chance than Waluigi to make the roster

Mega Man, Ryu, and Ken are there - that's a good start to an MvC roster! Thinking either Iron Man or Wolverine if it had to be just one. A brawler with slight healing would make an interesting Yin-Yang for Pichu.

Eh, let's keep Disney and Nintendo separate, please. I know a lot of people look at them both as being either ridiculously over-protective and largely quality, fun entertainment, but they don't have the same ideals. Disney has made a business of adapting other people's stories into popular film, while Nintendo comes out of the left field with zany, fun, and well-crafted IPs and games. They aren't even remotely similar at this point in time. Besides, as @thesilverbrick and others have already pointed out, Smash is a gaming crossover, and I feel that it ought to remain that way.

@Kal_ I strongly agree with this assessment. Almost every single one of Disney's animated features was based off of a pre-existing book or myth to begin with (just look at this list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Walt_Disney_Animation_Studios_films), and they are barely even trying to do any more of those anymore anyway. I also am appalled at what has happened to Pixar under their control.

The only Disney character I'd want to see in Smash Bros. is Scrooge McDuck based off the 2 Capcom games.

Marvel could make it's own Smash bros. style brawler with it's characters maybe even revive their disney infinity line...

Of all the Marvel characters, he brings up Hawkeye lol

If I remember right. They're only going to add those that are from video games.

Nearly everytime a new smash game comes. Others are wanting none-gaming characters on it.

"But (character) was in a game. So it counts".
Not really. Nintendo is looking, mostly, for those that appeared in games first. Not other way around. If others want a non-game character in a smash game. There are fan games like Project M and such they could try. (Even they're unofficial)

@thesilverbrick so much this.
Finally someone that makes sense!
Is it so hard to understand that a crossover doesn’t instantly mean you have to throw in everything that occurs to you?
Why on Earth would anyone think Goku, Shrek or Captain America fit in Smash?
I’ll be labelled as an elitist, but if you think those would be valid and coherent additions to Smash, well, then you don’t understand what it’s all about.
Why wouldn’t people go on and ask for Mickey Mouse in the next Marvel vs Capcom then?

Shake my head; also, rant over ✌🏻

HOLY SH!T!!! THIS WOULD MARK THE FIRST TIME THAT 4TH PARTY CHARACTERS WOULD BE ALLOWED IN SMASH!!! I MEAN, IMAGINE THANOS FIGHTING AGAINST GANNON! OR CAPTAIN FALCON PARING UP WITH CAPTAIN AMERICA! IF THIS WAS REAL, THIS COULD PAVE THE WAY FOR GOKU, SPONGEBOB AND SHREK! WELL MAYBE NOT SHREK, BUT many, MANY more characters in future fighter passes or sequels or dlc!!🤯

Universal has a theme park monopoly on Marvel in Florida. Universal is making the SMB movie. Disney doesn't play nice with IP control. I find this unlikely (note Bowser's absence in Wreck it Ralph 2).

@Kalmaro It isn't. Disney is the Satan of media at this point. Making a deal with them is quite like making a deal with the devil. You have to offer your soul usually.

@clvr There’s a severe lack of sense when it comes to the general public and who they expect to see in Smash. A character being “cool” or having “potential for a moveset” doesn’t erase the fact that they’re not a video game character and don’t belong in a video game crossover fighter, which is what Smash Bros is by definition.

@Entrr_username Nah, they still are VERY restrictive. You're going to need more than 2 examples.

They have an iron grip on all of their IPs.

@Heavyarms55 Same as what I said above. Nintendo is very restrictive when it comes to certain things.

However,tgey seem to be loosening up a bit, that's how we got that mushroom kingdom battle which was... surprisingly good.

Sakurai said in a recent interview that not video game originating characters would never be added and his two specific examples were Goku and Iron Man so no crossover

@Kalmaro Nintendo is very restrictive about their IP's because they have a big history of people tarnishing their IP's names whenever they handed them out. The Philips CDI games, the Super Mario Movie, and the Mario educational games are just a few examples of this. Nintendo has reasons to be very protective of their IP's.

@Muddy_4_Ever Thats the odd thing, as the creators of Wreck it Ralph 2 promised Mario would actually appear in it and have a much bigger role than normal cameos. In fact, to furthur, this claim just a few months before the movie released Nintendo allowed Disney to play a remixed theme of the SNES Mario Kart at some of their resorts to promote Wreck it Ralph 2. But something happened between that time and the launch of the movie that scraped all evidence of Nintendo cameos from the movie. My bet is that it was because Nintendo went to Illumination to make the Mario movie. But other problems could have happened before that decision that made Nintendo go to Illumination. Maybe Disney was trying to work out deals to make a Nintendo cinematic universe with their IP's, and Nintendo saw that Disney was trying to monopolize the movie rights to their characters and Nintendo just left. Just like what Nintendo did with Sony when Sony tried backstabbing them on the Disk-based SNES.

@patbacknitro18 I absolutely agree with you.

Also anyone who wants a Marvel Fighter in the game, I hope you won't mind the Minions being playable characters. I mean after all if Nintendo is just going to start adding in characters from whatever, wouldn't they want to add in the popular characters of the company making the Mario movie?

@jERS Toejam & Earl would be amazing. Give me them, and a Jet Set Radio rep, and I'll be good to go.

Nope not interested wouldnt be smash anymore the same way Batman shouldnt be in Mario Kart.

Like you want a cross over go make something new like a Marvel v Capcom style game.

All I can say is one word, NO!
Sorry Disney, we do not want your stupid super heroes mixed with our computer game characters

@Kalmaro Only difference is that those were from over 20 years ago. It’s 2019, times have changed.
@patbacknitro18 The same company that’s allowing an indie team with only one game under their belt to use the Zelda IP and, as you mention, having another triple A company use the Mario license, and having content creators help promote Smash Ultimate (this was before they stopped their program.

Yep that’s definitely super restrictive

As much as I love Marvel, big "no thanks" from me too I'm afraid. Just doesn't fit right for either franchise.

@Entrr_username What was from 20 years ago exactly?

@duffmmann Only catch is that Nintendo HAS to be the publisher. Anybody else, and we get the uninformed calling it a knock-off... can't have that now, can we?

It won't be this game, but I could DEFINITELY see the NEXT Smash Bros. allowing characters who didn't originate from video games.

And you KNOW Disney is going to want in on that.

@Entrr_username Let's see, an Indie game announced this year, and a Rabbids crossover made in 2017. Maybe you want to pick an example that isn't so recent? Nintendo, in recent years, has been trying to be less restrictive with their properties. That doesn't mean Nintendo isn't still restrictive, but it means that Nintendo is deciding to try and gamble once more with letting very select few people work on their properties. Nintendo agreed to Ubisoft making a crossover due to how loyal Ubisoft has been to Nintendo over the years. And chances are Cadence of Hyrule came about because the creator made an impressive Zelda mockup and got in touch with the right people to present it to Nintendo. And since Nintendo has been very embracive of the Indie community, they decided to let the developers have their shot. Those 2 things happened because of the right circumstances. Just because those 2 things happened in recent years, that doesn't mean Nintendo still isn't very restrictive about its properties. All it means is that Nintendo is STARTING to open up more to other developers.

@ddowler85 Highly doubtful. Sakurai said Smash was only meant to be a crossover series between Videogame characters. Adding in characters from other forms of media would ruin that sanctity. In fact, once characters like Ironman get in, what's to stop character like the Minions from being playable? After all Illumination is making the Mario movie. So wouldn't it be fair to have the Minions come in as playable characters to celebrate that

@patbacknitro18 Sakurai's said a lot of things that he's changed his mind about later.
I think it's a natural progression; there's been too much demand from fans and too much interest from non-video-game companies to keep them out for much longer.
Well, who's to say Minions wouldn't be included?
That's up to Nintendo and the IP owners, just like every video game character that makes it in.

Edit: Not to mention, involvement with Nintendo doesn't guarantee representation.
For example, Ubisoft has no fighter in the game so far, despite developing the Mario/Rabbids crossover and the Switch version of Starlink with Star Fox.
And would your example, Minions, really be the worst thing?
MANY fans have wanted a playable Rabbid character, and they're very similar, but have yet to happen despite the Mario crossover.
Even BANDAI NAMCO only have ONE fighter represented, and they DEVELOPED the last 3 games. (Wii U/3DS/Ultimate)

@ddowler85 because out of all the things Sakurai has changed his mind about, he has not even once considered allowing non-videogame characters in. It doesn't matter how much of a demand those company's have, Sakurai will not allow it. And why would he when there are thousands upon thousands of video game characters to choose from. From old school to modern characters. Characters from Nintendo's old IPs and characters from 3rd party companys that have yet to get into Smash. Considering the endless possibility of game characters to choose from, there is litteraly no reason at all to add in non-videogame characters. It would in no way benifiet Smash any more than if Smash added any other video game character.

@patbacknitro18
And I doubt he publicly considered changing his mind about other aspects, until he did.
At this point, adding ANY more characters would arguably not benefit the game in a major way, but they certainly will add many more for the next installment.
Or, conversely, you could argue that adding characters generates excitement and hooks in fans of those characters; in which case, some popular characters who didn't originate from video games would do the trick as well, arguably reaching even larger fanbases or generating more internet buzz than some future hypothetical popular characters that did originate in video games.

It just seems to be the way the wind is blowing.
Time will tell.
I stand by my prediction.

@ddowler85 Smash is litteraly the biggest and most popular video game crossover ever. There have been MANY attempts to try and do what Smash has done. Playstation All Stars, Shonen Jump Stars, but none have succeeded like Smash has. There is no need to increase its popularity furthur, because it is the most popular. Not to mention why would Smash want to try and bring in outside characters, when the targeted audience for Smash are gamers? Wouldn't adding in video game characters make more sense than adding in the Minions or Ironman? Why not keep Ironman in Marvel vs Capcom, keep Batman in Injustice, and keep Goku in the Jump games? Is that really such a bad thing? Sakurai will stand by only letting Videogame characters get into Smash. There are thousands of video game characters to choose from, and litteraly no reason to add in characters from other forms of media.

I know some people may freak out because the Marvel cinematic universe is all the rage nowadays, but Marvel and Smash.....please keep them seperate!!

YES I Want To See Characters With Big Names

I want see More Konami Characters

I got a Character with a Big Name and Its Leonardo And Raphael

I Got Another Character with a Big Name Its Donatello And Sly cooper.

I got One More Character With a Big Name Like Marvel Michelangelo

So Yes I Like To See Characters With Big Names Like Marvel